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12:00 AM
@QPaysTaxes Don't remember where I saw it. It was indeed probably you.
 
@BaummitAugen Understanding lower levels is not required to be a good programmer, but it's super useful.
 
@QPaysTaxes When you barely started coding, you are a very long way from having to understand "C++'s nitty gritty details".
 
@NobodyNada Well, that comes up at advanced levels, and then understanding is useful, yes.
 
I think the advantage of writing a string class is not "knowing how the built-in strings work," but "knowing how to write your own data structure."
Because the standard library isn't going to contain every single data structure you'll ever need, so being able to implement your own is an important exercise.
 
If you kinda know what you are doing, it certainly is worth looking into. Heck, I got 20x speedup out of a complete program just by floating point tweeks.
But don't let people use it as an excuse for the language abuse that's going on. It's harmful.
 
12:04 AM
@NobodyNada Though it should't be based on new/delete, but how to use smart pointers.
 
user4639281
 
@QPaysTaxes Do we?
 
@NobodyNada That's a very hard problem, even for highly paid professionals. Microsoft has yet to solve that. (See std::vector<foo> v = something; v.push_back(v.front());.)
 
@BaummitAugen that's why it's useful to learn
 
@QPaysTaxes "but it shouldn't be done immediately?" Exactly! That's not stuff that should be taught or presented to beginners.
 
12:07 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ It depends on the level of the beginners and the level of the task.
 
@NobodyNada But learning something useful from the "low level stuff" (by whatever definition) is way harder than people apparently think.
 
@NobodyNada A beginner is a beginner, no?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ depends on the definition of a "beginner."
 
@NobodyNada A beginner is someone who's got no knowledge of anything?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ A level 500 chess player and a level 600 chess player are both beginners, but they're at different levels.
 
12:11 AM
@QPaysTaxes Beginners are potential bombs? Don't tell that Donald. All schools will be closed in your country.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ ...there's really no need to bring politics into this.
 
@QPaysTaxes I strongly disagree. Even C++ is too weird and low-levely for beginners. Teach them to read the docs and use standard library stuff first.
Maybe Python or something like that.
@QPaysTaxes I read The C++ Programming Language in its entirety, then I started coding bad stuff (which I expected) and got experienced programmers to critique it.
 
@QPaysTaxes That's not politics, but just real life satire. You've just gotta bear that at least for the next 4 years.
 
I also read cppr to get to know all standard library functions, and yet most of what I wrote in my first 2 years of programming was terrible. It would have been way worse had I tried anything "low level".
 
@BaummitAugen YAGNT
@QPaysTaxes Whoa, you're going to name specific persons now?
 
12:17 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ What's that?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ "don't tell that Donald" isn't naming a specific person?
 
@BaummitAugen You ain't gonna need that
 
user4639281
Alright, the politics discussion is now closed. Further discussion on this topic at this time will result in a kick
 
user4639281
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Oh, it was not that much effort, and the amount of shitty handcrafted algos we see in the wild seems it be worth the effort easily.
 
12:20 AM
@TinyGiant Why not all of these posts?
 
@QPaysTaxes those were before the closure of the politics discussion
 
user4639281
^^ That
 
user4639281
@QPaysTaxes Yours came in after the closure on my screen
 
@QPaysTaxes race condition I guess; on my screen it came in ~1-2 seconds after
that's why he didn't kick you
 
So I can say Donald Duck again, and it's not considered being a politic statement?
 
12:22 AM
Ok, back to moderation I guess. =D
Copied content: https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/15463438 https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/15463439
 
user4639281
Whether or not you started writing it after I closed the discussion or not is irrelevant. It came in after the closure. The fact that it was so soon after the closure is the erason I moved it instead of kicking
 
@QPaysTaxes Do you have problems with understanding sarcasm, Sheldon?
 
user4639281
Alright, if you two need to take a break and get some fresh air, I recommend you do so. Let's get back on-topic please
 
@QPaysTaxes Well, that might be the wrong reaction :-D
 
Let's just drop this discussion please.
 
12:29 AM
@QPaysTaxes A school policiy that uses Turbo C++ as their standard compiler can't be taken serious actually.
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
So how about those mets?
 
@TinyGiant I don't want to talk about that anymore now.
 
user4639281
good
 
12:48 AM
@TinyGiant It's too stupid to explain the US people they're living at ducktown now
 
user4639281
That would be talking about that
 
@TinyGiant Sure. You're canadian, blessed!
 
user3956566
@TylerH crazy O>O
 
user4639281
That I am.
 
I beg your pardon?
 
1:01 AM
@TigerhawkT3 pardon
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
I don't want to kick again, but I will if it is necessary
 
@TinyGiant I got that ...
 
1:23 AM
How did they clear that?
 
@BaummitAugen delete & undelete
 
:/
Weird mechanics.
 
Thanks.
> Can Anyone help me on how to get a readable data please,
> Our company OPP IOT Technologies is specialized in all kinds of RFID cards, Smart cards and RFID Tags such as wristband tag, laundry tag, NFC tags, keyfob tags, anti-metal tags, Jewelly tags, fragile tags for access control system, identification applications.
Clearly spam
 
@QPaysTaxes meh, it's barely even remotely related to the question, and it exists only advertise the question
 
1:36 AM
The poker has struck!
Poke poke POKE!
@QPaysTaxes :(
Don't make me poke you
 
user4639281
1:51 AM
 
yeah, no
 
@TinyGiant Oh, you're a harsh judge ;-)
 
user4639281
@πάνταῥεῖ Let's just not go there
 
it was something kick-worthy
 
Going to sleep. Bye o/
 
user4639281
1:53 AM
Gotta run, keep it above water mmmkay?
 
@gunr2171 And all the crappy rest stays??
 
user4639281
Don't they fly?
 
2:14 AM
This is a job for..... DEBUG-MAN! It's a cold, dark night, and the semi-colon gang is running rampant in the streets of CodeVille. They have injected themselves in between a closed-parenthesis and an open-bracket (where they shouldn't be by normal convention). Will DEBUG-MAN be able to save the day? Eat your Wheaties and find out next time! — Shannon Holsinger Sep 19 '16 at 11:56
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omg best comment ever
 
Kinda chatty, though.
 
eh, it gets the point across in a humorous manor. I guess I wouldn't reject if flagged, but I don't care enough to flag it.
 
3:02 AM
Baleeted.
 
 
2 hours later…
5:12 AM
You might find some people in the C room.
 
C:\room
C:\room\run
run -room run
 
:-)
 
 
3 hours later…
7:47 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Nope it was not me, who handled the flag. I don't see any +3 answer there, the bounty won't be awarded automatically.
@QPaysTaxes ......................................... declined with !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Good morning \o
 
8:17 AM
\o
 
9:17 AM
@SmokeDetector war
 
Plop everyone!
 
Plop to you too!
 
 
1 hour later…
10:40 AM
@Lankymart hmm you answered it, watch out we avoid passing question here that we are somehow involved in.
either we close or we answer... it has not sense to do both
 
@PetterFriberg sorry I answered then thought, it's a typo I should probably close it or it's a bit hypercritical of me, number of times I close typo questions.
 
@Lankymart Yeah np, but it's better that you don't send it here next time.
I think there is also some rulezzz in faq, anyway lets carry on
 
@PetterFriberg yeah silly of me, that was purely muscle memory... can it be sent to the gy?
op has confirmed it was definitely a typo so should be closed.
 
not gy that's only for closed stuff (well if gets closed it goes by itself), but to some nice trash can, if you ping RO, however I would just let it be this time.
 
10:47 AM
swooosh :D
 
11:41 AM
Ok now I am confused. Doing VLQ reviews. I was able to do 40 reviews yesterday. Just got capped at 20.
Did I miss something?
 
The quotas get increased when there's enough foo
 
@JanDvorak So it is a random draw if you are allowed to do 20 or 40 reviews. Ok learned something new.
 
I mean, when there's enough backlog
 
@JanDvorak Ok I get that. Thanks
 
11:52 AM
"thnx"? Now I regret closing it...
 
@JanDvorak Thnx.
 
12:20 PM
o/
 
@BaummitAugen \o hey you
 
Morning
 
Right. that's it. I'm out of del votes.
 
Already? Through LQQ?
 
12:34 PM
yep
 
I do have a feature request out there to not consume delete votes in the LQPQ
 
They really should change that.
 
it is hard not to delete those LQP.
they're that bad in some cases
 
12:54 PM
is it frowned upon to ask for a delete vote right after a close vote? Just want to make sure I am not breaking some rule.
 
@Nkosi well, only if it won't get a chance to get roomba'd
if it got an answer and upvotes for example.
 
@rene Ok, so just for my clarification, if it does not have any answers then I can just leave it and it will eventually get "roomba'd"
if that is the case then I could use that strat to save some del votes. cool thanks
 
@Nkosi yeah, there is a userscript that tells you if the question would be roomba'd
 
1:09 PM
Any Python folks on?
 
@Machavity not a regular from the Python room but if you have something simple, I'm here
 
@tripleee There's this Meta about a question (at 4 CVs currently). I don't know any Python and it seems borderline. Could benefit from someone who knows more weighing in
 
@Machavity checking
 
user3956566
flgs please rude and abusive trolling a chat room v
 
1:15 PM
@YvetteColomb nuking that will make a really bad audit
 
@Machavity KlausD's comment there seems to summarize it pretty much
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver ? No there were chat flags raised and discussion here in another chat room
 
@tripleee Thanks
 
@YvetteColomb Yeah but when that answer comes up in the LQPQ as an audit no one is going to know that or be able to find that out.
 
@Machavity concur with the "no MCVE" votes; closed now
 
user3956566
1:17 PM
@NathanOliver the answer is abusive of the sites TOS for a user who has been around, as this one has, by previous accepted answer.
 
user3956566
I stand by it as abusive
 
Best way to handle that stuff is to mod flag. Probably get them a few day suspension to cool down.
 
user3956566
I left it up to the members of chat to mod flag, as they understood the bot commands. I added in all that detail here, in case anyone comes back to this room. There's an evidence trail.
 
Morning everyone! :)
 
morning burning S
 
1:23 PM
o/
 
But I don't even have a burning S as my avatar anymore :c
What did I miss? What was rude/abusive?
 
I picture it on the far right side where your bazooka is aimed.
 
@Seth Yvette's horse snorted at Nathan
 
Actually horses and I get along just fine. They like carrots and I like to give them to them. ;)
 
@NathanOliver Ohhh. That's why it's burning.
I was wondering. ô_ô
 
1:26 PM
:)
 
Oh well, collateral damage :)
@Machavity Ah ò_ó
@Yvette Why does your horse do that stuff? :(
 
user3956566
@Seth very much so :D
 
But whyyyy!? That's rude! o_o
 
user3956566
no, considerate really. I know where to clean up and can see what they've been up to :D
 
ô_ô ...
 
1:36 PM
Unlike squirrels, where they lay in wait until the right time...
 
user3956566
no, no , that's not horses, that's me :D
 
1:52 PM
With the edit dupe link, can mods edit it even though they do not have a gold badge?
 
67 ô_ô
 
user3956566
why is this stackoverflow.com/questions/55363/… locked? it can't be deleted?
 
No idea. I think SOP is to make a meta to request unlock and deletion.
 
SOP?
Ah.
Policy.
 
Standard Operating Procedure.
 
1:58 PM
@NathanOliver Aw. I thought it was "Stack Overflow Policy" :(
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver done
 
@YvetteColomb Cool
 
user3956566
thnx
 
@Seth That's me. Mister disappointment.
 
user3956566
I knew I had to post a Q on meta, but was feeling lazy :D
 
2:08 PM
^ WHAT WAS THERE?
(removed) has to be one of the most annoying things to read in chat...
Thanks @kayess -_____-
 
Hiya YC NO
 
secrets
o/
 
What, I get no hiya? I see how it is...
 
H I Y A @Seth
 
user3956566
well it was removed as it was so RUDE to be life bannable!! O.O
 
2:09 PM
@kayess H I Y A =)
@YvetteColomb oh
 
user3956566
terrible Seth, more terrible than your most unimaginable terrors O.O
 
user3956566
si @kay sayess
 
siya syvette \o
MERRY INTERNATIONAL WOMANS DAY TO YOU! \o
(lately, sorry)
@Yve Is that a thing in aussie land though ?
 
user3956566
@kayess ?
 
3 mins ago, by kayess
MERRY INTERNATIONAL WOMANS DAY TO YOU! \o
 
user3956566
2:14 PM
@kayess sank sou!! setter sate shan sever. shere's son slements? O<O O>O
 
user3956566
@kayess ses sit sis s:D
 
@FOX9000 Voted to reject
 
@YvetteColomb sont snow shere sis son
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver does that take feedback?
 
user3956566
@kayess smmmm se sust se sareful
 
2:16 PM
@YvetteColomb nope. More of just a thing for the room to see.
 
@YvetteColomb as in we should buy more pup snacks?
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver thx
 
user3956566
@kayess scooby snacks
 
@JonClements earth calling, report in!
we better ping him to see
 
user3956566
2:17 PM
ntw @NathanOliver I deleted that request as I realised it was not a good one perhaps? chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/36034609#36034609
 
@YvetteColomb ntw?
 
Woof woof!!?
3
 
The snacks are a lie.
 
Hiya Jon
 
Hiya Jon
 
2:19 PM
@YvetteColomb That link seems to be broken. What is going on?
 
user3956566
@Seth lol btw (reads like ntw)
 
user3956566
@JonClements tosses scooby snack don't scroll up Jon ;)
 
/msg @YvetteColomb you can put the scooby snacks away, we have an instance of @Jon
 
@YvetteColomb But what's the "n" about? :c
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver oh it's my removed comment above
 
user3956566
2:20 PM
@kayess pst it's so he doesn't tell us to stop talking with S'ss
 
Oh. The secret one
 
user3956566
yus
 
yas
 
user3956566
@Seth n is next to be on keyboard (typo) ;)
 
user3956566
@kayess feed him some snacks!!
 
2:21 PM
OK. I was getting ready to borrow Jeff's giant S.
 
@YvetteColomb Oh. I thought you meant it as "lol btw" => "ntw" >_<
 
user3956566
@Seth lolol ..... "no"
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver ?
 
user3956566
how are you @JonClements?
 
yeah howdy @PupClements
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver hmm @kayess @Seth it's dangerous to talk in the S language in front of Nathan or Jeff Attwood :-(
 
muhahahaha
 
Sure sabout shat? ô.o
 
user3956566
Seth no you're in danger
 
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSmack
 
2:27 PM
Ouch =(
 
Look, I knocked the S out of him ;)
 
user3956566
 
user3956566
well all I can say is it's ironic this question really offers no value to the site
 
user3956566
@Stijn my understanding was it had historical significance for the site, ergo value — Yvette Colomb 28 mins ago
 
user3956566
On that note, I am retiring to bed. Night all \o
 
2:32 PM
o/
 
@YvetteColomb Just bloomin' hectic - night night :)
 
morning!
 
Hiya gunr
afk
 
2:50 PM
@BaummitAugen Mild? and this guy is a mentor. It amazes me sometime the bios I see and then how they behave in the community.
 
Can I block certain communities somehow? I.e. not see any of the hot posts from there?
 
@Nkosi "Mild" as in it's only one guy ranting. not a full blown flame war.
 
@BaummitAugen Ok I getchya. never understood those.
 
JAL
3:24 PM
o/
 
Hiya JAL
 
@Seth it can be done with a userscript
 
3:39 PM
FA k
do we have commands like with sd ?
 
@kayess nope, not yet
 
@rene okie thanks
 
4:11 PM
@FelixSFD @BhargavRao Thanks for helping me with this
I'm trying to point all the possible dupe posts to this one stackoverflow.com/questions/36106646/…
@FelixSFD @BhargavRao but it doesn't have an accepted answer, so the other posts won't let me flag them as duplicate because this one doesnt have an answer marked as accepted
 
Too. Much. Ping.
 
@RobertCorvus It does have an upvoted answer though, that should be enough.
 
@BaummitAugen Ok that might fix it, let me try now
 
Unless there's an exception if that answer is your own, but I've never heard of that.
 
AFAIK there is not. I have hammered to things I have answered in the past
 
4:17 PM
@BaummitAugen That worked, thanks for your help!
 
4:38 PM
@JarrodRoberson god classes ftl
 
@gunr2171 why was that one moved?
 
user targeting
 
oh, I didn't notice the date was old
 
Jarrod has this habit of CV-ing a new post, looking back in that author's history, and CV-ing another one he finds. We don't allow this.
 
4:47 PM
I can't stand these recommendations that get upvoted...
 
What do you recommend as a fix?
 
Developer Hiring Trends Just posted to the blag
 
@TylerH are you getting half the page overlayed with blue, or is that just me?
never mind, fixed now
#BlameCaching
 
user177800
also on top of reposting a closed question letter for letter it is a duplciate of an another question that has already been answered, stackoverflow.com/questions/36143076/…
 
@JarrodRoberson only takes one user to mod flag. Unless you are out of flags we do not do flag requests.
 
user4639281
5:02 PM
@QPaysTaxes Whatever you need to do to make yourself comfortable.
 
user4639281
Yep
 
5:19 PM
Cya, good luck in the interview! o/ @Q
 
user4639281
5:35 PM
@BaummitAugen Minimum three letters for a ping to work
 
@TinyGiant Thank you. I though that probably didn't work, but it was not that important anyways. :)
 
Hello!
 

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