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12:00 AM
Also, why do questions deleted by their owner have "deleted by <user>" when answers have "deleted by owner"?
@Undo Okeedokee. Wanted to ask before wasting a mod's time
 
If they're doing that a bunch, probably worth commenting and then having us message
A little busy, can't look at their other posts right now
 
Okay, thanks!
 
ssh, we don't talk about that
 
Skeet has bots?!
 
 
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1:15 AM
@QPaysTaxes Goodnight!
@QPaysTaxes you're asking if C automatically mallocs?
...of course it doesn't; it's C.
C doesn't do anything implicitly
especially not malloc; that's just a regular function call
 
 
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2:23 AM
@SmokeDetector Who blacklisted Undo?
 
Haha. Undo blacklisted Undo. Better Undo that!
8
 
2:36 AM
Just spent 5 minutes on learning R in the R website and chapter 2 is vectors. So much for taking it slow
Everything I know about vectors I learned from the villain in Despicable Me
"A mathematical quantity representing both direction and magnitude"
 
Yeah
@TylerH 30mph east is a vector because it has direction (east) and magnitude (30mph), unlike a scalar which only has magnitude such as 8 bytes.
 
@AndrewLi is a scalar a fancy word for 'amount'
 
It's a quantity representing only magnitude, where magnitude is basically amount
 
3:05 AM
@BhargavRao You lead a lonely existence my friend :-P
@FireAlarm fixed
 
3:19 AM
@TylerH Not the first time vandalizing his own question
 
He's 0 for 2
let's see (if we remember) if he ever does it a 3rd time
OH MY GOD, I LOVE R. They start counting at 1 instead of 0
thank god
 
boo
 
you mean yay :-)
@Tushar why not use the prescribed 'general computing' CV reason?
instead of a custom one
 
My mistake. Edited CV Request.
 
3:34 AM
Just curious :-)
 
user4639281
3:45 AM
@Andy Obligatory. Seriously though, awesome initiative!
 
4:03 AM
who is in USA?
can you help me
do you in USA can open this link?
take a snapshot for me ok?
 
Sure
 
thank you .
I don't know if you can open this link in USA
can you help me?
 
@AndrewLi you in USA now right>
?
 
Yeah
 
4:05 AM
this link will send to USA
thank you very much
 
@lustre So you post a link of unknow origin, unknown security and expect us to click it? You want my credit card number, too?
 
@Olaf hey, at least it has ssl :-P
 
@TylerH Oh, sorry, didn't notice. Then it must be trustable, of course :-/
 
4:59 AM
@Olaf, not that,bro. out app will send to apple to access. and I don't know the medadata if can be open in USA
my app was rejected many times
 
5:25 AM
Boo!
 
 
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7:10 AM
Know what I think would help improve question quality and reduce homework dumps/etc.?
Commercials.
New users are literally unaware that SO isn't a free coding service. This is an issue with SO's external image, not with our help pages or close messages or whatever.
Ads, community outreach, YT videos - things people see before they get here, to give them an idea of what SO is.
 
Peter has 16 BunnyCo batteries, each lasting for 8 hours. Tom has 48 regular batteries, each lasting for 3 hours. Which of them can power their rabbit drummer plush toy for longer?
 
If people walk into your grocery store asking where they can find the running shoes, putting a sign that says "grocery store" in an unused lavatory marked with "beware of the leopard" isn't nearly as effective as running a TV ad that says "hey, we're a grocery store! no shoes here, no sir, nope nope!"
Of course, the reason people are asking for shoes is that some of your employees are running a shoe business out of the stockroom, but if nobody thought they could get shoes at your grocery store in any way, there wouldn't be a shoe business.
Actually, something like that happens in restaurants occasionally: a couple employees decide that they're going to use their workplace's cooking equipment to run their own business, while they're supposed to be working for someone else. And then the owners have to deal with customers asking for tacos at a steakhouse or what have you.
I promise I'm not drunk.
 
7:27 AM
link?
 
 
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8:31 AM
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Q: Let's stop [language-identification]

MistalisThis burninate request is based on this meta question. I really suggest you to read it, to understand why this tag is off-topic. language-identification This tag can be used when the question contains code of an unknown code language, but can also be used to ask for similarities betwee...

 
9:08 AM
@SmokeDetector Code(XML) copied from other answer. No disclosure.
 
 
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10:17 AM
@fire alive?
ok, it's dead in all rooms. Booting up a backup..
eh.. sorry
@sock stop
 
@AshishAhuja You need the Owner privilege to run that command.
 
oops, I won't use this room..
 
10:38 AM
answered already
 
10:55 AM
Could someone trash my next to last request, please?
 
@FireAlarm eh, IIRC, I made a change only to post this in the dev room?
 
@JanDvorak this one?
 
@AshishAhuja slow down
@Tunaki yes
 
unless you see another reason to close it?
 
wait
 
11:11 AM
@JanDvorak yup, I was going to slow down. I never post more than 5 cv-pls requests in a row anymore
 
sorry I messed up...
 
?
oh
 
other is closed now, no need to move back here
 
I think a downvote is the best comment in this case :)
 
A downvote isn't any comment at all when you're out of votes. :(
 
12:13 PM
@Seth Fair enough, thanks
 
@TigerhawkT3 True =(
One year remaining & I will be done with my apprenticeship. \o/
 
It's pointed to by the old head, and it points to the bottom of the stack.
old = a -> b -> c -> nil; new = c -> nil
It had refcount 2 when it was popped; a and new
when new pops, b's refcount decreases to 1 and c's refcount increases to 2.
That's the idea
Duplicating a stack merely creates a new stack with the same top, and the top's refcount increases by one
Yes.
That's the simplest garbage collector you could create. Even PHP uses it.
in your case
unless you mess something up
or unless the stack elements point to stacks in their data
 
12:36 PM
Morning
 
@NathanOliver \o
 
o/
 
So how goes the fight against off topic questions? :)
lol
 
@TylerH Lol, rest are private to the organization. :D
 
12:51 PM
Both lists, or both elements?
the bottom element's refcount increases when you pop the top element
then both end at one reference
@QPaysTaxes what are those?
There are two nodes, why are there three numbers?
Why do your refcounts start at 0?
0 means not referenced, yours are
It doesn't
the stack doesn't point to them, but its new head does
It decrements when you pop, but before that you create the new head, at which point it increments
when you push an existing head, the ref count doesn't increase, but it still decreases
The tail's refcount increases when you create a detached head, and decreases again when you repoint the stack to the new head.
It doesn't. It only cares about how many things point to it.
The new head starts pointing to it, and the stack ceases to.
Yes.
unless you reuse nodes
I mean, you could avoid creating a new node if you notice some other stack already has that node.
Probably not worth it, but the option is there.
GIT uses SHA1 sums to prevent duplicates, and reference counting to remove unreferenced nodes
correct
check and check
nope
it only stays the same if you free the old head.
Correct
You could always increment it, and then decrement while freeing
same effect, better separation of concerns
When you pop: the old head refcount decreases, the new head refcount increases, stack points to the new head. When a node's refcount drops to zero: free the node; decrease the linked node's refcount
exactly
refcount = reference count = how many nodes point to it
 
1:32 PM
NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/32347630/499214 - "How do I ..." / "there's no plugin to do that, but you can do it yourself. See here"
 
@JanDvorak Just close the Q instead?
 
It doesn't seem horribly broad to me, but feel free to dispute.
 
We should at least edit the resource request out of it if we want to keep it open. Then that would make the answer NAA for sure.
 
I didn't notice a resource request in there but feel free to remove it anyways
 
Isn;t asking for a gimp plugin a resource request?
 
1:40 PM
I read it as that he wanted to create a gimp plugin. It could use some clarification, true.
 
Would this question not be considered POB because it asks for syntax?
 
@AndrewLi It's a po-tay-toe vs po-tah-toe question. Falls into POB for me. Neither is invalid syntax
 
@Machavity Okay, gotcha
 
Basically what you're saying is that it is a preferential thing? Which is what I figured. Thanks! — Kevin Andrew Fogg 15 hours ago
And that's the OP
 
1:49 PM
Okay
 
anyone got a link to the dark SO theme?
 
@AshishAhuja The dark web SO? Where people talk about how programming makes them feel, while eating watercress sandwiches? Never heard of it.
 
heh no :p
 
thanks!
the dark theme seems to be pretty nice
 
1:56 PM
@FOX9000 what the... revert?
 
@JanDvorak We can't save users from themselves
I think I see what happened there. Looks like the OP wanted to make other edits and probably approved it to get it out of the way.
 
@Machavity hmm stackoverflow.com/posts/42672954/revisions, the edit was just destructive and the edit description almost offensive.
@Machavity meeh maybe they where just editing all at same time....
 
2:15 PM
@PetterFriberg It's like the guy who called cops on a car swerving down the road. Cops came and stopped the car. He was sober. The guy who called (and stopped) was plastered and it was he who was swerving down the road
 
@JasonC Stop crawling through people's question lists
 
@JanDvorak No.
 
We have rules here
 
4 bad questions, 4 cv requests, if you don't like how I happened to come across them, or that they happen to be by the same user, don't vote on them.
 
@JasonC It's an official rule here.
 
2:18 PM
Shall I report you to @rene? What if Joe comes to Meta and whines "boo, the same five people closed all of my questions"?
 
Play by the rules, or don't play at all, your choice.
Jan has every right to speak up. In the absence of room owners, the regulars (or users? Don't remember the exact wording) moderate.
 
@JanDvorak Then you can reflect on the wisdom of having a behind the scenes chat room to solicit closevotes on questions we don't like.
 
"We don't like".
We moderate content, not users.
 
@JasonC you'll be welcome to praise yourself for the action you've taken when the time comes.
 
2:21 PM
You act as if spotting a few bad questions on a users profile page then CV'ing them is some out of hand thing that I'll some day be punished for, and that is completely taboo. And yet... it's not a problem. Now if you don't want it in this room, that's fine. I really don't care. This is all completely irrelevant to me and I'll keep happily doing what I'm doing, and you guys keep happily doing what you're doing, and we'll all be independently just fine...
 
@JasonC It is a problem. The reported one will whine.
 
So like I already said: "Stop crawling through people's question lists" -> "No". I have no desire to argue about it here, I just won't post the cv requests, it's that easy.
 
@JasonC The rule is "MODERATE CONTENT, NOT USERS." ...
If you want to moderate users, do so, but not here.
 
@JasonC well, we can't stop you from that much. What the eye can't see...
 
You realize that if people come here whining that the same people are closing their questions, that isn't my fault, right? If you don't want that to happen, close this room, otherwise accept it as the necessary consequences of a volunteer moderation ring.
 
2:23 PM
@JasonC we simply don't do that here. Stop it, or leave. Your choice.
 
Yeah, we discussed about that topic in a previous room meeting, and it was decided that we woudn't allow cv-pls for questions of the same user.
 
@rene Fortunately I stopped it immediately.
 
OK
 
It's against the rules of the room, and complaining about people not playing by the rules set by SO whilst not playing by the rules set by the Room Owners of the SOCVR is hypocritical, and rather rude.
 
It would be nice if we could, but we can't
 
2:23 PM
Stop telling me to stop it. I already stopped posting the cv requests here. Right away. Without saying I'd continue. Get off it, lol.
@Seth Which is why I immediately stopped it.
 
It sure sounded like you planned to continue
 
@JasonC ^
 
I do plan to continue going through user lists and CV'ing questions.
Was I not clear?
That has nothing to do with me posting those requests here.
 
Not quite, but now you've clarified yourself.
 
2:25 PM
Lol.
@JanDvorak All I'm saying is, SOCVR is great, but don't pretend it is anything except a small group of people banding together to bypass normal process and pass quick judgment, no matter how much you hide behind "we vote on the post not on the user" or other rules that attempt to make it not seem like what it is. Just own it, and don't blame people coming here complaining that their questions are closed on individual participants like me or whoever.
 
@JasonC the point is, we have to band together in a way that the voting mob on meta won't dislike too much
 
We don't want to be seen as a volatile voting mob. That's bad. It could very well attract the bad kind of meta attention, and ultimately result in SOCVR being closed.
 
@JasonC like we never tried that... I just don't fancy a room freeze, CM's barking at us and meta that goes wild.
 
In any case, if I ever do slip up and you happen to see a few posts in a row here by the same user, an alternative is for you to not vote on them.
But I'll try not to.
 
room freeze, really? Haven't they realized we're humans?
@JasonC that wouldn't suffice, sorry
 
2:32 PM
@JanDvorak Your lack of self control when clicking links is not my problem. But I won't post them here intentionally.
 
One could see it as bullying, or as organised voting mob (which we are, but with good intentions) that bullies people.
Jeez.
It's not about what you do.
We don't care about what you do.
Where you do it is the problem.
 
@JasonC ad hominem
 
@JanDvorak The faq does say "Members are not expected to close vote any post you bring up", but perhaps it should be changed to "Members can not help themselves but to close vote every post you bring up".
 
Efficiency...
 
strawman
 
2:33 PM
@JasonC No, we will actively remove them and tell you again you shouldn't do that. Given that you insist on ignoring that rule, expect that to be accompanied by a kick.
 
@Seth Which is why I stopped doing it here, as I already said. Get off it. Stop randomly chiming in to our conversation with the same point that's already been taken and understood.
 
@JasonC Yet every single sentence you post makes me think that you'll continue.
 
@rene Your premise is false, as I never insisted on ignoring the rules.
@Seth Then you're constantly misinterpreting. I don't know what to tell you.
 
@JasonC They just want to make sure that your original response is not the one you act on
 
@JasonC Great, then we have no issue
 
2:35 PM
but you insist on shouting at us for enforcing them
 
@rene I know we don't. I said that. You guys keep going back to it for some reason.
 
Don't worry, @JasonC I have stood on both sides of this war.
 
@JanDvorak I am not shouting at you for enforcing the rules. You said you don't want those types of requests here. I never once said you weren't allowed to tell me that, or that I'd continue posting those requests here, or any of the other things you can't seem to get out of your mind.
 
so, what are we discussing now?
> Do not post multiple successive moderation requests for posts of the same user. It will be considered as targetting a user which is explicitly forbidden ~~ FAQ-members-users-2
 
I dunno, I moved on
 
2:36 PM
@JanDvorak umm, let's break this discussion and talk about wafflez :p
 
how about wine?
 
@Machavity chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/36014478#36014478 Already covered but thanks for trying.
@JanDvorak @rene What we were talking about, sort of, was avoiding getting CMs and the community mad at us.
It's just that Seth kept popping in with random "stop it"s on an issue that was quickly resolved a good while before.
 
So, what if a person posts 2 questions that should really be closed, in a short timespan?
 
@Cerbrus as long as you only notice after the fact, we can forgive you
 
@JasonC You actually haven't understood that this is a public room, and you broke the rules, eh?
 
2:39 PM
@JanDvorak Implying that reporting those is still problematic (?)
 
I didn't "chime in", and I didn't "pop in with random "stop it!"'s".
 
@Cerbrus Not sure. I haven't tried.
 
@Seth Except neither of those, and I have to just put you on mute for a moment, because you keep popping in repeating the same point that isn't needed and isn't correct.
 
Mimimi.
 
@JasonC stop it
 
2:41 PM
It's simple. Don't dump a bunch of posts by a single user in here, and if it happens, don't all pile on the single user that did so. Just remove the reports and move on.
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No point in getting into a discussion about room rules, like this just now.
 
@Cerbrus Nobody's discussing that rule, though, or even arguing with it.
 
Semantics, you know what I mean.
 
Even simpler: don't go crawling through user profiles for CV-plses to post and you'll be fine
 
@JanDvorak, please stop.
 
Wait wait wait
 
2:43 PM
!!/blame
 
@Machavity It's FireAlarm's fault.
8
 
@QPaysTaxes too vague
 
So what you guys are all saying is that we should go through user lists and CV-pls all their questions right?
 
@SmokeDetector lol.
 
@JasonC ... no.
 
2:43 PM
@JasonC Eh, no, not at all.
 
This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; All of you, please, take a break, some fresh air, a coffee, some food. Stop it now ...
2
 
... I give up ...
 
Okay, that countdown is obnoxious.
 
wow, what did I miss?
 
Lol...
Humorous sarcasm is apparently not the MO here.
 
2:45 PM
@Cerbrus exactly
 
g2g, family time
 
Room timeout countdown
 
@Lankymart And that someone who did something wrong immediately stopped. The rest was just silly.
 
@QPaysTaxes cheers
 
@Lankymart Someone pulled the FireAlarm and people got hosed down
 
2:45 PM
@Cerbrus Work-around, become a moderator :)
 
@Tunaki Yea, I tried.
 
@QPaysTaxes He got pretty far.
 
as a side note, how did Smokey like the timeout?
 
!!/alive
 
@Cerbrus Yup
 
2:46 PM
\o/
 
Missed that. Need coffee.
 
Oh, you guys might not be aware: I made a sweet-ass userscript to go with SmokeDetector reports!
 
@JanDvorak it should have handled it as long as it didn't try to post
 
@Cerbrus What does it do? :)
 
2:47 PM
what if it did try to post?
 
@Cerbrus you're talking about FIRE right?
 
Note to self: Do not argue with people in a room whose entire purpose is essentially to pile on to people.
 
@Cerbrus Looks dope.
 
timeout #2 in ...
 
2:48 PM
Thx
 
FIRE is a userscript that allows you to open SmikeDetector reports in chat, and send feedback directly from that popup
 
@JanDvorak I think it may have had an error. I'll try it with FireAlarm in the dev room, come here if you want to see it
 
[Ctrl]+[Space] to open the latest report, [1]-[4] to select reasons, [Space]/[Enter] to submit. If you have a metasmoke account, FIRE will also cast "spam" flags for "tpu-".
[5] opens the reported post on it's site
That covers most of it :-)
 
@JanDvorak FireAlarm seemed to work properly, don't know about Smokey
 
2:53 PM
Later all. If anybody wants to ping me while I'm gone and explain the policy about voting on posts and not users again (I didn't get it the first 30 times so could use another explanation), feel free. :P
 
@Cerbrus fr: add a button to cast r/a flags instead of spam. I know the bot doesn't care, but it still feels better.
 
r/a?
Oh, right
 

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