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3:01 PM
Is this uhm, to broad/unclear ? stackoverflow.com/questions/43049881/…
 
user3956566
@kayess like the side of an Amish barn
 
plops in
 
@Compass plops up o/
 
user3956566
 
gaaaaaah I am not aerodynamic plops over
 
3:09 PM
Sorry, your "plop" has been rejected due to an inadequate amount of required Scooby Snacks. Please submit your "plop" again when you have the required materials.
 
user3956566
I've never seem anyone criticised for the way they plop O>O
 
Get to meta!@#
 
@YvetteColomb I'm an equal-opportunity criticiser
 
user3956566
@kayess take the plop to meta?
 
The criticism
 
user3956566
3:12 PM
@gunr2171 ab so lutely - a set of abs that look like a lute
 
................that took me a few seconds to understand
+1, made me facepalm
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 heheheheh my work here is done
 
user3956566
actually it's not.
 
user3956566
I'm reviewing the first posts and voting to close 80% of them :'(
 
3:15 PM
At least you don't have a sore throat.
I'm not sure what to get for lunch with a sore throat. I love spicy foods but I probably shouldn't, so the remaining option is likely to be soups.
 
user3956566
@Compass orange juice
 
That sounds horrible.
 
user3956566
@Compass marshmallows?
 
user3956566
@AshishAhuja guh fell for it
 
3:24 PM
:)
 
@YvetteColomb you just saved me from clicking on it. lol
 
user3956566
@Nkosi glad I saved you :)
 
:P
 
Maybe chicken soup, but I like some more... umami with my food
 
user3956566
my new auto comment as broad as the side of an Amish barn
 
user3956566
3:31 PM
and as unclear as Hyrome fly without his glasses
 
@fire alive?
 
he was so young. full of life
 
user3956566
@AshishAhuja gasp the fire is out
 
user3956566
I remember fire from when he was a spark
 
What if he just chooses not to acknowledge you?
 
user3956566
3:36 PM
and we can't cry, if he's just an ember, our tears may snuff him out completely
 
rofl
 
@YvetteColomb nah, it just lost it's chat ws in all the rooms ...
 
user3956566
@AshishAhuja chat ws?
 
that two timing little....
 
chat websocket.
 
user3956566
3:38 PM
@Nkosi faithless bot
 
See, I knew it.
He chooses not to acknowledge us.
 
user3956566
I'm getting smoke detector to surveille Fire
 
was it something we said.
 
user3956566
he's busy two timing us in another chat room
 
ok, it's back in all rooms
 
user3956566
3:41 PM
@FireAlarm don't pretend to me, like you've been here the whole time helping us.
 
@FireAlarm How brightly are you burning?
 
Who is Darwin and why are you running for them
 
user3956566
survival of the fittest
 
@FireAlarm should I get chicken soup?
 
user3956566
The truth behind survival of the fittest was the ones that couldn't outrun darwin were killed. So literally survival of the fittest :p
 
3:43 PM
@Compass [spit take]
 
user3956566
darwin was the name of a hunting dog
 
???
 
user3956566
@Compass @FireAlarm is not a magic 8 ball
 
user3956566
how many times have I told you not to shake up the bots and ask them questions?
 
@Compass ask Queen that in SOBotics
 
3:44 PM
@Compass spit take
 
user3956566
@Compass a totally failed joke :/
 
I know what a spit take is..
 
user3956566
@Nkosi it was my reference to a hunting dog called darwin
 
got it. my bad.
 
Maybe I should just get a triple double crunch wrap
 
3:46 PM
with garlic sauce
 
seeing as my naked chicken chalupa is gone forever
 
user3956566
nope it was not your bad, it was my dad - joke (tired to make that rhyme)
 
or a smoothie?
maybe a smoothie... would that help a sore throat?
 
user3956566
going to lie down 2.46am
 
user3956566
3:47 PM
\o
 
bye
 
@Compass would that not just be a sextuple crunch wrap
 
@YvetteColomb cya
 
@YvetteColomb \o
 
no it isn't
the triple double crunch wrap is double all the ingredients, but three sets of them, IIRC
 
3:48 PM
@AshishAhuja ok did not know that. thanks
 
so a normal crunch wrap is not called a triple crunchwrap
> So where does the “Triple” come from? Hellooo, weren’t you listening? It comes from the three double layers of everything you love about the Crunchwrap®. It’s all in the name people.
double meat, double cheese, double tostada
Also, no hooman could bite a crunchwrap like this tacobell.com/food/new/triple-double-crunchwrap
that is a straight line.
 
4:31 PM
@Compass sure we could
just stick it between our upper and lower chompers, and chomp
 
Oh noz, That stinks
Woot \o/
With the newer C++ standards I can't remember the last time I manually allocated memory.
 
Probably just before you had that nasty bug that took you 6 hours to find ...
 
malloc just sounds like an evil creature under a bridge
 
it is
 
4:43 PM
Yep. In C++ they even gave it a club to hit you harder with ;)
 
I heard it's friends with nasal demons
 
Templates are really nice. I'm starting to do template meta programming and it does some really cool stuff.
 
Are templates just a fancy name for generic classes?
 
Kinda. A template in C++ is a place holder. It allows you to define a class/function/variable you can work with that has different types or compile time constants.
:)
Here (my own answer) is one crazy way you can use templates to write two functions that are only overloaded by the return type. (typical C++ does not allow overloading by return type)
 
5:26 PM
@Machavity That was my last one. I'm out. make it count. lol
 
@Nkosi Thanks :)
 
np
 
I get real tired of microsofts website
If I had a dollar for every time I clicked some application's 'help' or 'learn more' button on an error or whatever, and it took me to a blank or missing page on MS's website
I'd be able to buy a car
 
@QPaysTaxes That's why I specified the "good" one (e.g. in Python def fib(n, a=0, b=1): return fib(n-1, b, a+b) if n else b), as the naive version has two recursive calls, making it slower and more limited. The naive version is a good introduction to the concept of recursion, but the good version demonstrates how recursion should be used to replace a loop in programming. I wish programming classes would teach both methods.
 
5:40 PM
IIRC trolls should not be nuked
I recall incorrectly. Nuke it from orbit
 
@NathanOliver Wut, why?
 
1 min ago, by NathanOliver
I recall incorrectly. Nuke it from orbit
 
@NathanOliver while i flagged to close. is this flag worthy?
 
it can now have delete votes
 
@Nkosi close flag or rude flag?
deleted
 
5:45 PM
It's been deleted now, with regular delvotes
 
ok cool.
@NathanOliver i meant voted to close.
 
@rene Have you pushed the updated archiver to main?
 
Well, there's a new spin on mod abuse
 
6:00 PM
What's a PHP?
 
I was just in a PHP chat room today
 
I want to see the comment
 
grabs the pitchforks
 
nvm, asked Madara in a chatroom
he said, "at least PHP isn't as slow as C++" ... 0:-)
 
aww.. puts pitchforks away
grabs bazooka
2
 
6:07 PM
lol
 
...and that is how the fight started
some people just like to watch the world burn [grabs some popcorn]
 
@QPaysTaxes I only asked about default arguments because I looked at test.ctn. :)
 
C++ is fast because it doesn't care about edge cases. Much like a speeding train that doesn't care there's a lake right in front of it.
 
"Disastertrain: The Return of C++"! Coming this summer! Directed by Michael Bay!
 
6:12 PM
@NathanOliver Where's @Seth when you need him?
 
[cue slow pan with lens flare]
 
What's a flear?
oh.
 
ok ok i fixed it. lol
 
best case: a code-only answer in some language I've never heard of.
 
6:21 PM
It's just your ordinary rude/abusive.
 
or that
 
@TigerhawkT3 So report to Smokey?
 
@TigerhawkT3 bonus points if the C++ train transforms into JavaScript Bot to fight the evil PHP megazord
 
that will happen automagically if you use FDSC and flag it
 
@JanDvorak I've already flagged as VLQ
 
6:22 PM
@TylerH go go language rangers?
 
indeed
 
> The series you loved in your childhood and now you look at and wonder "what was I thinking?"
 
yeah like the neverending story
as a 7 year old it's literally the coolest thing there will ever be
look back it it now and you're like 'holy crap they actually released that? and made more?!'
 
@TylerH disputed. The pokemon anime is better
Power Rangers are just a series of commercials for a transformer spinoff toy franchise
 
@JanDvorak better than what
the movies?
oh
better than the never ending story
I agree
but the pokemon show wasn't out yet
 
6:27 PM
Eh, the Neverending Story music wasn't bad
 
"Did I really like that as a kid? How could I have been so... childish?"
 
@TigerhawkT3 insert comic here where the punchline is "life is over for you once you start agreeing with the parents over the kids in tv shows and movies"
 
I'll have to disagree with that punchline
 
it's an aggrandizement directed toward college-aged kids
who are young enough to still be ignorant about much of life but old enough to start finding childish things annoying
 
oh
that's a temporary state, though
 
6:32 PM
yeah
but at any given time there's millions of people in that state so you have a secured audience
 
fa unclear
 
6:45 PM
@NathanOliver not yet
It looks like it works OK, so let me know if you want to have it
 
attaches self to peppermint tea cup
 
Hello!
 
ola
 
owo)/
 
ohno
 
7:03 PM
@rene If your confident in it I'll take it. What size batches are you running with it?
 
1000
 
OK
can I haz script plz? tanks in advantage.
 
@NathanOliver it is on master now with a new version number
if you have auto-update it should pick it up
 
@rene hmm. I think it might but I think the versioning is broken.
 
Why did I break that?
 
7:10 PM
Not sure. If I go to here which is version 2.0.1.9 and install it tampermonkey shows me it is the version 2.0.1.8 script
@rene That link worked
 
@NathanOliver at least I am good at one thing ...
 
7:24 PM
@JAL you may be interested in this: mikeash.com/pyblog/…
@gunr2171 there's one in our auto-comments that Bhargav and I wrote:
> Please do not vandalize your posts. Once you've posted a question, it belongs to the Stack Overflow community at large (under the CC-by-SA license). If you would like to disassociate this post from your account, see What is the proper route for a disassociation request?
 
yep, that's what I was looking for when I ment "more words"
 
JAL
@NobodyNada I saw that, I'm going to try to go
 
@JAL awesome! I wish I could go to that; it sounds really good
 
7:48 PM
@JAL gotta get your gold badge in swift first
 
8:18 PM
@NathanOliver I'm not sure that's TB. It should be downvoted for lack of research, but not closevoted IMO.
 
@NobodyNada TB is a pretty standard close reason for "write my code" questions.
 
^^ that
 
That one could also be Unclear, because they don't seem to be asking an actual question.
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver That was just asked on meta :P
 
shh
afk
 
8:23 PM
There's a difference between "write my program for me" and "write a few lines for me." The first is too broad (example), the second can be a very useful reference (example).
Looking at the CSV question again, I think it is too broad, since it's multiple questions in one: "how do I parse a CSV" and "how do I transpose an array." Additionally, it's not even clear where they got the CSV data from.
But "how do I transpose an array" would be a decent question, as would "how do I parse a string containing CSV data into an array of arrays."
 
@NobodyNada What if the entire program is a few lines? The issue isn't the size, it's the nature of what sort of activity it represents. "I don't want to write code, someone please do it for me" would be a coding service. "I've written my program, but why does the comparison of floating-point numbers always seem to come out wrong?" is a real question, even though it's basically asking to write some code for float comparison.
 
user4639281
@NobodyNada both of which would be duplicates, no?
 
user4639281
@TigerhawkT3 The first is a lack of effort, not inherently closeable but may qualify for any number of close reasons depending on the question. The second is a debugging question. Questions without code that ask for code are acceptable, so long as they are reasonably scoped, clear, objective and otherwise on-topic.
 
@TigerhawkT3 The main criteria is the usefulness for other readers. If it's "write my program for me," it's almost certainly not useful, but "how do I do this one step" (for example, transposing an array) is a useful reference, which is what Stack Overflow was designed to be.
@TinyGiant probably, but that means the question was already asked, not necessarily that the question is off-topic.
 
user4639281
How do I complete the step "become ruler of the word"?
 
8:31 PM
First, you need to write and popularize a new search engine
 
@TinyGiant Most likely too broad; that's way too big of a step. It should be broken down into simple steps, which can be answered in a few paragraphs, before they can be asked here.
 
@TinyGiant Yes; "why does this happen" is debugging, but presumably they don't understand the nature of the bug, which is why it's a legitimate question. "I know why this happens; how do I fix it?" really depends on the situation. If a canonical, built-in solution exists, it'd be a good question. If it required a bunch of one-off code, it'd be close to "give codez."
@NobodyNada What if transposing an array forms the entirety of a homework assignment? The asker could talk about the array they have, give some sample elements, and say something like "there must be a clean way to do this."
 
user4639281
@TigerhawkT3 "How do I fix a problem in my code?" style questions are debugging questions regardless of whether the OP knows the cause of the problem or not.
 
user4639281
debugging questions can be too broad.
 
8:38 PM
@TigerhawkT3 Whether we should close a question has nothing to do with the percentage of their work we're doing. It's about whether the question has value for future readers.
The "what if it's their entire homework problem" reasoning can be applied to any question on the site. What if someone's homework is to fix code containing a comparison of floating-point numbers?
 
That's why questions are expected to demonstrate or imply research effort.
 
@TigerhawkT3 but if they don't, it's a downvote reason and not a close reason. See meta.stackoverflow.com/a/260909/3476191
 
I've never understood why those aren't equivalent.
 
@TigerhawkT3 then read the answer I linked; Shog explains nicely why we should not close such questions.
 
Fortunately, lack of research effort often results in a question that can be closed as a dupe of something.
 
8:42 PM
Indeed
 
user4639281
@TigerhawkT3 Lack of research effort questions should be closed as duplicates. Lack of question formulation effort questions should be closed as unclear, too broad, no mcve etc. Lack of problem solving effort questions should not be closed, they should be downvoted if you think they won't be helpful for future viewers.
 
But then see here.
 
@TigerhawkT3 research effort, not problem-solving effort
 
user4639281
^
 
8:44 PM
Research is part of problem-solving.
 
Also, that post has guidelines for askers, not viewers/closevoters.
 
user4639281
Research effort and problem solving effort are two different things
 
user4639281
Think about it this way, if everyone showed adequate problem solving effort, we would have no questions as everyone would solve their own problems.
 
Yes, and solving a problem generally involves research.
@TinyGiant THE DREAM
 
user4639281
Yeah, so if they don't do any research, vote to close it as a duplicate.
 
user4639281
8:47 PM
If there are no duplicates, and it is a decently formulated question that is otherwise on-topic, leave it alone. That is often as good as it gets.
 
What if there's no duplicate because it's too basic, and most people don't even need to read about it in any of many tutorials because it's intuitive? E.g., "how do I add two numbers, such a 4+7?".
 
@TigerhawkT3 lack of research effort; downvote it. If there's no dupe, it can become a dupe target so we can close the next one.
If it's not a dupe, on-topic (about programming, not about general computing or server administration, not asking for an off-site resource, not a debugging question lacking a MCVE, not a typo or a problem that cannot be reproduced), clear, only needing one line of code to answer, and not primarily opinion-based, we can't close it.
 
user4639281
 
@TinyGiant that specifically should be closed as typo; he has strings instead of integers
 
user4639281
He doesn't actually, because the code produces the correct output, it should be closed as no-repro, but you get the idea. Such questions are acceptable if not duplicated, and otherwise on-topic
 
8:58 PM
@TinyGiant Judging by the results, those aren't two numbers, they're two strings. No MCVE/no repro. OP was already trying the obvious method of a + b (they made some problem-solving effort).
 
5 mins ago, by Tiny Giant
He doesn't actually, because the code produces the correct output, it should be closed as no-repro, but you get the idea. Such questions are acceptable if not duplicated, and otherwise on-topic
 
Yes, that's why it's not a relevant example of the question I suggested (adding two actual numbers, where actually trying it would simply work).
 
user4639281
Any reasonable person would end up finding out how to add two numbers together in any language with a simple google search (or simply trying the addition operator), but that doesn't mean such a question is off-topic. You can totally downvote such a question, hell you can make a bunch of puppet accounts, get them up to the requisite rep, and downvote it with those accounts if it irks you that much, but the question isn't off-topic.
 
That last part is a no no.
 
I'm still not quite convinced to stop VTCing that kind of obvious "give codez" question as TB (or a custom "not a coding service").
 
9:11 PM
@TigerhawkT3 VTC if they won't be useful at all to future readers, otherwise leave them.
 
user4639281
@TigerhawkT3 If the question has too many details or requirements to be of use to anyone in the future, vote to close it as too broad.
 
@NobodyNada One factor I rely on pretty heavily is whether future readers with the same issue are likely to actually be readers - meaning, will they look for existing questions, or just post a new one?
 
user4639281
How do I extract the number of x's after y's before z's from "xbhayzxyshabzyhxyz" would never be of use to anyone, however the question could probably be written in such a way that it would be helpful to future viewers, though it would probably be a duplicate.
 
user4639281
@TigerhawkT3 That's an extremely subjective measurement.
 
@TinyGiant I'm only human.
And that example is basically "write my regex for me." Three answers in five minutes, two of them with links to "test the regex here" sites.
 
user4639281
9:17 PM
Which is why I said it would never be of use to anyone and used it as an example of a question that should be closed as too broad because it has too many limiting details to be of use to anyone in the future.
 
+2 on the question, +2 and accept on the top, and +1 for the others.
Now I'm confused due to "could probably be written in such a way that it would be helpful to future viewers" with "too many limiting details to be of use to anyone in the future."
 
user4639281
If you removed the limiting details, or generalized them enough that they would apply to a larger audience, then it would apply to a larger audience. If the audience is one, it is useless.
 
folks, mind taking a look at stackoverflow.com/q/9513292/1849664 for possible reopening?
 
user4639281
@Undo agreed, completely different answers on a similar topic.
 
Great, thanks
 
9:30 PM
!!\alive
 
user4639281
!!/alive
 
@TinyGiant Yup
 
other kind of slash
 
user4639281
Your other backwards
 
woops
 
9:34 PM
Backslash: \ . Slash: /. Slash: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/….
I knew going in that an inline single backslash would take some effort.
 
user4639281
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@TinyGiant That says it all.
 
user4639281
That's why I said it :)
 
Efficient!
 
Thanks, should I remove everytime?
 
user4639281
9:45 PM
@Henders Only if it is vandalism
 
Cool thanks
 
10:04 PM
Hiya o/
 
10:52 PM
What do you call it when you have two symbols with the same name, so one of them is inaccessible?
 
@NobodyNada Confusing?
 
Example:
int someVar;
void somefunc() {
    int someVar;
    //the local someVar has the same name as the global someVar, so the global one is inaccessible
}
 
Shadowing @NobodyNada
 
Thanks
 
user4639281
11:05 PM
 
really need to try and remember those short cuts
have not gotten the hang of them just yet
 
it says "you can't use external_dial for that. What are trying to accomplish? Also, what version are you using."
 
user4639281
@Nkosi There's a little checkbox in the close vote dialog that automatically sends a request using the reason you chose.
 
11:21 PM
@TinyGiant Yeah i know :). but I was trying to be all power user and ended up puting in the wrong short cut.
lol
 
user4639281
lol
 
11:35 PM
Folks, before you loose the rest of your close votes for the day, please take some time to service the [cv-pls] requests. We've got quite a few that are active at this point.
 
user4639281
The download a file with vbs one was detected as a threat by mcaffee
 
user4639281
 
@TinyGiant My AV detected it too, but there's no way that does anything malicious
the hilarious part is the cause of the problem he had
 
user4639281
:P
 
he was trying to run a VBScript in Bash
 
user4639281
11:44 PM
I can't see it because mcaffee blocked the response. All I can see is the title
 
@TinyGiant it's a completely harmless script
I thought "I should copy and paste the script here so Tiny can see it...oh wait..."
 
user4639281
lol
 
user4639281
an image shouldn't be blocked though
 
@TinyGiant semi-broken image, but here
 
user4639281
hahaha
 
user4639281
11:50 PM
I love the comment "syntax errors are almost always off-topic on stack overflow"
 
user4639281
I wish
 
here's a better screenshot: i.stack.imgur.com/Fmjee.jpg
 
@NobodyNada Not as rare as you might hope - I once dealt with interviewers who refused to run my sample code with the right version of Python (which I had clearly specified multiple times).
 
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