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12:04 AM
@QPaysTaxes My true mistake was trusting them. :P
Side note: what are Concaten's intended problem domain(s) and paradigm(s)?
I got an impression that it's more like method chaining than argument passing - if I have x and want to a that and then b the result, it would be x a b, like x.a().b() rather than b(a(x)).
That's pretty neat.
I prefer chaining rather than passing, as 1) I don't have to code backwards, and 2) I don't have to count parentheses.
 
user4639281
See, you could just drop that and use JavaScript
 
@TinyGiant He wants to make a good language, though.
 
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@TigerhawkT3 Oh, he doesn't want the best language. I see
 
I see we're playing "Great Or Greatest." :P
 
user4639281
@QPaysTaxes except you can pass multiple arguments, but chains can only have single links
 
12:11 AM
@QPaysTaxes I... actually really like that.
 
user4639281
@QPaysTaxes actually foo(bar(a)) would be a.bar().foo()
 
user4639281
a.foo().bar().world().is().foo().bar()
 
user4639281
*drops mic
 
@TinyGiant See, that's why function calls in function calls bother me.
 
user4639281
@TigerhawkT3 yeah, I don't like nested calls
 
user4639281
12:15 AM
I'd much rather have: Magic(thing) { foo(thing) { bar(thing) { do some magic }() }() } and watch everyone try to figure it out.
 
I've messed with Python, R, F#, Julia, and C++. I think that's sufficient for me for now.
 
@FireAlarm probably a dupe
oh, yep it is
 
user4639281
@TigerhawkT3 See and you could have skipped all of that and gone straight to JavaScript. No muss, no fuss.
 
user4639281
He should write it in JavaScript, performantly
 
I forgot JS. I've done that too. Recently, even.
 
user4639281
12:18 AM
I learned JS, forgot it, remembered it, forgot it again, then remembered it again.
 
@QPaysTaxes git clone -b dev eliminates the need to checkout BTW
also, that comma should be a period
in github,com
@QPaysTaxes Raspberry Pi:
Testing code_block...       42 succeeded in   37 us.
Testing data_stack...       43 succeeded in   18 us.
Testing method_map...       46 succeeded in   52 us.
Testing object...           38 succeeded in   69 us.
Testing prop_map...         37 succeeded in   39 us.
Testing stringbuilder...    24 succeeded in   22 us.
Testing token_stack...     106 succeeded in  576 us.
Testing tokenizer...        28 succeeded in  426 us.
Done with all tests
Raspbian
yep, it's almost identical to Debian
 
Haddocks' Eyes.
 
clocking out early tonight. see you guys and gals on the flip side. o/
 
I could name my cat Debian, but that wouldn't mean he's POSIX-compliant. (N.B.: I don't have a cat. But if I did, I would name him Dog.)
 
user4639281
12:33 AM
@TigerhawkT3 You could have two cats, one named deborah and one named ian, then combine the two and the result would probably be POSIX-compliant... or two mangled cats.
 
user4639281
I dislike that they made the background of the top-bar off-white-ish
 
12:57 AM
@Ashish @Felix I'm compiling Swift on a "fresh" RPi and writing up a Gist with instructions as I go. When I'm done, I'll let you know!
4 hours ago, by Tiny Giant
@TigerhawkT3 Lack of research effort questions should be closed as duplicates. Lack of question formulation effort questions should be closed as unclear, too broad, no mcve etc. Lack of problem solving effort questions should not be closed, they should be downvoted if you think they won't be helpful for future viewers.
 
Cool, I shall downvote and move on without closing
 
@SamuelLiew That question can be closed for being too broad, however.
 
@4castle I'm not sure that that's too broad; it's probably a dupe though.
 
They didn't tag it with , only ...
It's a dupe of this and this and this and probably a dozen more.
 
Nice find, thanks @TigerhawkT3!
 
1:11 AM
When you swing and the nail doesn't move, it's time to get a bigger hammer.
 
@NobodyNada Is there enough information to identify an objectively correct answer? With this kind of question, all solutions are equally valid.
 
It's TB, Unclear, no MCVE, no effort, coding service, homework service, and a duplicate.
 
What do we do about obvious homework assignments?, OP even tried to delete code from question after they got a half-cocked answer...
 
@Lankymart This is probably a good example. Note that homework doesn't imply off-topic, but homework questions need to meet a certain standard (like any question does).
 
@TigerhawkT3 they do provide a very poor code snippet but then attempt to deface it as they got a similarly poor answer.
Nite all...really late now, need to unplug zzz...
 
1:36 AM
@NobodyNada The on-topic page has specific text for homework: "Questions asking for homework help must include a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty you are having solving it." Thus, yes, for homework specifically, a lack of effort is a valid close reason. Homework problems that don't show effort to solve the problem are explicitly off topic.
 
@Makyen That's a good point; I didn't know about that
 
@NobodyNada Note: The homework text was briefly removed from the on-topic page (archive), but was restored 2 days later. Meta post that sparked the removal/restore.
 
@Makyen Interesting, I remember that meta post.
 
@NobodyNada Yeah, it was a month, or so between when I saw that it was removed (from reading the meta question/answer) and when I realized that it had been restored.
 
1:54 AM
@QPaysTaxes I would expect so, but you'll have to ask Olaf or Baum
Dinnertime; see you later!
 
2:26 AM
I think I upset someone...
 
@TigerhawkT3 Don't reply, only flag
 
Way ahead of you.
Still, I can't stop looking at it, like a car crash in slow motion.
 
2:39 AM
Although it does feel kind of bad to know that such behavior got him the codez he wanted.
He got further explanation and copy-pastable code after his behavior worsened.
Before that behavior, he didn't think he had an answer. That behavior got people to spend time on helping him see the codez. A squeaky wheel received grease, I guess.
The dude is still going. Maybe a mod will end up having a word with him.
I flagged one comment. I'm a bit leery about flagging more of them, as mods generally inspect an entire comment chain for problems when handling a single flag.
See, a mod got to it.
Ah, okay.
Effective.
 
Rob
3:05 AM
Oh, it was already picked up
 
@NobodyNada thanks! I'll also start up my instance today in my timezone as I told you cc @felix
ok nice. Ping me if it is on fire
@FireAlarm ?
 
3:31 AM
Do most programming languages have unhelpful/unclear error messages?
 
Color me surprised. I didn't know there were free O'Rly? books hpbn.co
 
@TigerhawkT3 close votes as Too Broad
but yeah, your question is vague @tiger.
 
I'm trying to figure out why people often fail to read error messages. Python's are usually so good that you can almost copy-paste them as an answer to the corresponding question.
 
@TigerhawkT3 I'm trying to figure out why people often don't think by themselves. Why they need constant approval from others, why can't they just put some neurons to work?
Because we didn't evolve with that characteristics.
 
@TigerhawkT3 Most of my experience is C, in which the error messages are not too bad. The thing is that you have to specify extra flags for more warning which normally lead you to the problem, which people don't do.
If people don't know how to read valgrind outputs, they probably don't have a career in c
 
3:37 AM
@Braiam I would say that it is a combination of nature and nurture, like most things.
 
@AshishAhuja hahahahahaha... nope
 
@Braiam yup, but you should know how to read the outputs of at least one of the memory leak tools
 
@Makyen Actually, it's more like the most basic instinct reinforced by social enablers
Another fallout from our "hypersociability" characteristic
 
@Braiam Depends on who you are wrt. is basic instinct. Yes, instincts are, frankly, the antithesis of thinking things through. However, that does not mean that it is not the normal programming for some people to think things through vs. expect others to solve their problems for them. A lot of that is social programming. Similar for seeking the approval of others. While a portion of that is almost certainly part of our evolution, how strong it is in each person varies dramatically, which
is, again, probably a mix of nature and nurture.
 
I don't believe that nurture is in the mix. I mean, yes, nurture exist but it's a direct effect of nature, not backwards. If nature didn't exist, the positive reinforcement that our behavior suffers from social interactions wouldn't be there.
 
3:59 AM
@TigerhawkT3: you're totally trying to harass them. Stop the downvotes, stop the close-votes on an on-topic question, and knock off the unconstructive comments. — smci 16 mins ago
TIL that asking for independent research is harassment, and I'm not allowed to vote or comment because Arbitrary User #202229 commands it.
 
Just flag the NC comment as NC
 
It really makes me cringe when I find a borderline incorrect answer of mine which has received an accept and upvote
I'm about to edit the incorrect information but it's been seen by too many eyes already
 
Why did you provided a incorrect answer? O_O
 
It's not incorrect per se, just extremely vague on important points
I'm revising big time
 
4:06 AM
> if you look at old stuff and still think it's perfect then that means you've learned nothing in the meantime
?
 
@Fire notified
 
@NobodyNada You will be notified of reports tagged , , or , blacklisted usernames, or misleading links.
 
\o/
 
@Braiam I had a sudden thought that popped into my head which triggered me to review my answer from a while ago. Turns out it was borderline wrong on the explanation
 
4:25 AM
(Given code doesn't produce the stated problem.)
 
@TigerhawkT3 That would normally be no repro instead of non MCVE. There's a line in there somewhere between the two. You could say that no repro is a subset of no MCVE.
 
I wonder what the closure message will show if someone close votes this question with a 5th different vote.
 
4:41 AM
@4castle I would expect the generic "off-topic" message saying something along the lines that these (listed) users feel the question is off-topic.
@4castle "This question does not appear to be about programming within the scope defined in the help center."
 
@Makyen Aww, I was hoping to see a huge list of closure reasons
 
@4castle Me too, but I've been disappointed before, and seen the generic message, even when it's just been no single reason got 3 votes. I think it'd be more helpful to the OP, assuming they want to get their question into shape for the site, if all the reasons were shown. That would at least let them know what all is wrong. It also would make the last two votes actually matter wrt. what they pick when there are already 3 votes on one thing.
 
@Makyen I was considering that, but in the end I decided that maybe "no code to reproduce the problem" was a little closer than "can no longer be reproduced." I dunno.
 
4:58 AM
I just revisited an answer of mine and I edited the question. Was this too much of the post removed? stackoverflow.com/posts/41436194/revisions
 
@AndrewLi The deleted text contains some ideas to consider, but they don't seem to be constructive ideas. The question is easier to parse without that text, in my opinion.
@QPaysTaxes Um... it's going well... I just need to, uh... posts givecodez question I've almost got it.
The absence of documentation/instructions is a bit daunting. I considered cargo culting it based on test.ctn, but then I reconsidered.
 
5:37 AM
if anyone here is looking for a hobby, the Graphics Design site on Stack Exchange needs more spam flaggers
ISTR they had a chat room where the Smoke Detector notices are posted if you don't want to see the full deluge of Charcoal HQ
 
Any TypeScript users on?
 
I've helped people use it, but I've not used it myself.
 
Well, I'm trying to figure out if there is a package.json field like main,browser,module,jsnext:main,es2015 where you can specific a .ts file as the entry, or if that simply isn't done. Guess I'll keep looking.
 
6:26 AM
@SmokeDetector please VTC
 
@QPaysTaxes I totally understand. I'm just explaining the barrier to entry. I ended up cargo culting it as follows:
{ int -> n, int 0 -> a, int 1 -> b
    { 1 } else
    # We're doing the recursive version
    { n 1 - b a b + fib} then
    { n > 0 } if
} :fib defun
The { n 1 - b a b + fib} is intended to be fib(n-1, b, a+b). I'm not sure how it distinguishes (b) (a b +) (b and a+b) from (b a b +) (b + a + b).
 
6:54 AM
This may be a stupid question, but what does one close code request questions as? As in questions that give data and no attempts.
 
@Daedalus Too broad, unclear, and no MCVE are frequently applicable. And there's always the custom off-topic field.
 
@TigerhawkT3 Thanks, too broad it is then.
actually, going to go with mcve I guess. Still unsure
 
You might also want to leave a comment such as the following (which I use frequently):
It looks like you want us to write some code for you. While many users are willing to produce code for a coder in distress, they usually only help when the poster has already tried to solve the problem on their own. A good way to demonstrate this effort is to include the code you've written so far (forming a [mcve]), example
input (if there is any), the expected output, and the output you actually get (output, tracebacks, etc.). The more detail you provide, the more answers you are likely to receive. Check the [tour] and [ask].
 
Just a quick check: declined flags are never caused due to a review outcome, right? that will always be disputed. Only mods mark flags as declined. As explained here
 
I'll delete my existing comment(which is rather blunt in my opinion), and replace it with that
Thanks for the note
 
7:05 AM
@QPaysTaxes Ah; tidy!
Is my attempt correct, then? Perhaps?
Ah. I wasn't sure whether optional was a keyword or a placeholder.
Docs are good.
As a technical writer, I'm totally not biased.
 
 
8:10 AM
@Daedalus FYI: "No MCVE" is the wrong reason to use on that question. "No MCVE" applies to debugging questions only. Other than debugging questions (and homework questions, which must show an attempt), not having code does not, inherently, make a question off-topic. For that question, I'd go with "Too Broad". OTOH, "Unclear" might be better, as it's not clear on multiple points, incl. that it's requesting code. Frankly, it's a bad code-request that will never be helpful to anyone but the OP.
 
@Makyen I should have gone with the original assessment :/
Sorry there, I'll try to remember that.
 
@Daedalus np. We regularly discuss close reasons, and how they should be applied. A lot of times it's at least somewhat subjective, or multiple reasons apply. We had one earlier where [four different people picked four different ](chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/36341439#36341439) reasons (We don't know what the fifth was).
 
8:38 AM
^ is that naa or spam because it could be an attempt to get traffic or something...
 
@Henders In my opinion, this is spam. The account was created today
 
Interesting, I'll watch how people respond to it... Maybe I'm being naive...
 
@Henders it is spam
 
@rene Okay and that's because there is 1 rep, created today and has a link to their own site?
 
yea, and I opened that site that end-up on a best reviews portal ....
 
8:45 AM
Nice, thanks :)
 
 
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10:03 AM
Morning 0/
 
@BaummitAugen Morning :)
 
10:26 AM
@RiggsFolly another one for your hammer ^^
 
I knew floating point numbers were inaccurate, but man, this is bad.
 
That can't possibly possibly be a rounding error.
With rounding errors alone, we get 229.99999999999997 in IEEE-754 double precision.
 
@rene are you starting to enjoy seeing angular on meta as much as I am? :p
 
10:47 AM
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Q: Now can we burninate the Angular4 tag?

HockeyJAngular2 was discussed at length here, however I feel the discussion has moved on. When Angular2 was released, it was known as Angular2, so it made sense to have a tag reflecting that. As we know, this post then decreed 'Its just Angular', but for historic reasons the Angular2 tag still seemed ...

 
ooops ninja'd again, sorry
 
11:34 AM
Morning
 
Good Morning
 
Afternoon
 
11:46 AM
stackoverflow.com/a/43067191/5233410 NAA but looks like the teachers are catching on. There was another on an other question.
 
12:02 PM
@RiggsFolly @Machavity another one for your hammer ^^
 
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@Ferrybig @HovercraftFullOfEels @Cerbrus @TimCastelijns I have created a new fb account, I cannot get into my old one :/
 
@YvetteColomb what happened to the old one?
 
@JonClements oops, did my annoyance got noticed? Sorry.
 
@rene wouldn't describe it as annoyance - more errr... frustration? :p
 
You know I was just about to ask what is up with all of the angular stuff on meta
 
12:07 PM
@YvetteColomb PW reset?
 
user3956566
@Nkosi I am not getting sent my code on my phone and they want primary id, I'm not sending them my birth certificate or driver's licence
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus I know the password, it's the two step authentication.
 
user3956566
Never known fb to ask for id, I'm not giving it
 
not first time i've heard of it happening
 
They should allow you to send one with an censored ID number / stuff
Where only your name / picture is readable
 
user3956566
12:10 PM
@Cerbrus I agree. I also had a fake birthdate, so they won't approve it. rolls eyes ,my suspicion of social networking privacy came back to bite me
 
Good morning o/
 
user3956566
anyway I g2g busy bee
 
Not morning anymore here ;p
 
@YvetteColomb Bye!
 
12:12 PM
@FireAlarm Too broad
 
@cybermonkey I'm not sure about that but I'll just deffer to the majority.
 
@Machavity Current history then!
Plop everyone =D
 
Polp Kyll
 
Hiya Kyll
 
Sam
1:18 PM
Hey guys o/
 
Hiya Sam
 
@Machavity it's the worst
 
@TylerH I know. That jQuery guy should have ended it with a rickroll
 
1:49 PM
morning!
 
Morning
 
JAL
o/
How was overwatch last night gunr?
 
fun. 4v4. We did one match where us noobs played the lvl 60's, but forced them all to be Mercy
we actually won
 
JAL
ha!
 
Sam
 
2:21 PM
@TylerH is it?
 
yes
officially it is not out yet
there is only a release candidate available
 
MSVS 2017 has been officially released
 
@NathanOliver this is about VB.Net, not Visual Studio
 
You sure? VB was included in my 2017 instal
 
support for VB 15 was included in VS2017 but VB.NET itself is still not full
if the edit said VB.NET 15.0 RC then sure
 
2:36 PM
@TylerH tbh I find it very hard to find exactly what VS 2017 supports in any detail it's all very generic on the website.
@TylerH when looking at the About screen I see "Visual Basic 2017" is that not basically VB.Net?
@TylerH I'm running Microsoft Visual Studio Professional 2017 Version 15.0.26228.9 D15RTWSVC
@NathanOliver I'm pretty sure it has.
 
@Lankymart It has. I installed it when it came out. It had shinny new features ;)
 
It looks like I was working off of an old version of VS 2017 15.0.26127.0
 
@TylerH yep, I would have been surprised if VB.Net was still in the RC phase with everything else being released.
 
2:55 PM
o/ everyone
 
o/
 
o/
 
3:00 PM
o/
 
@tiny you are not pingable in SOBotics so could you please see this message: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/36353663#36353663
 
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@gunr2171 @rene thoughts? the only thing that helped was a complete reinstall of windows. I got the blue screen of death again and reinstalled and now it's not working again
 
@YvetteColomb I just got a similar problem. Trying to publish an app and VS said "cannot find blah\blah\blah.exe" but when I navigate to that path it is right there
 
user3956566
@TylerH it's driving me insane. I've spent hours and I just need to run a ps1 script
 
3:17 PM
@YvetteColomb ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 I have my suspicions
 
3:31 PM
@FireAlarm ignore that please. I'm testing a bug fix on FireAlarm to not report closed questions and that was the only closed question report I had ...
@gunr @nathan @rene @sam : The archive US seems to be moving Fire reports which are not closed. Is this [by-design]?
wafflez
 
@AshishAhuja already closed
@AshishAhuja rene was manually moving all FA messages last week, as there's rather a lot of them and they tend to clutter the transcript quite a bit
 
@Adriaan but wasn't few minutes ago O_o
@Adriaan fine with me, I just wanted to clarify as I thought it moved only closed reports or reports X days old
 
@AshishAhuja after that they updated the archive script. But ROs will be able to tell you more about that
 
@AshishAhuja No it is not by design.
 
3:44 PM
@NathanOliver if it's not by design, then there's a problem with the archive US ...
 
user3956566
what do I vote to close this with stackoverflow.com/review/first-posts/15669145?
 
user3956566
It's self answered
 
user3956566
Use Android Studio. — Yvette Colomb 37 secs ago
 
@AshishAhuja looking
 
ok thanks!
@YvetteColomb sorry, no experience in that field :(
 
3:46 PM
> I'm voting to close this because unicorns
 
user3956566
google stopped supporting eclipse some time ago for android
 
user3956566
@Machavity I can work with that
 
@AshishAhuja That question is so obviously an OT "do my homework" request. Someone should re-read the FAQ.
 
@rene The fire archiver is broken. it just moved this and this which are not closed.
 
3:48 PM
@Olaf that's sure. Must have been some user who felt pity on the OP =/
 
@AshishAhuja Read the comments, I have a suspicion.
 
@Olaf uh, I'm a rep peasant ...
can't see the post anymore :(
 
Sam
@AshishAhuja no idea
 
o.O
 
@Sam np! It seems to be a bug though ...
 
3:51 PM
@AshishAhuja I just can recommend getting them; the most fun is in deleted posts ;-)
 
@SmokeDetector needs a self-promotion VLQ comment
 
@Olaf I'm too lazy to get rep ^.^
 
@SmokeDetector flagged that as VLQ
@gunr2171 it's his own blog. That comment can use a self-promotion not-to-be-perceived-as-spam comment
 
I flagged this one as NAA @Adriaan
 
user3956566
 
3:57 PM
@YvetteColomb oh boy, the bootstrapper. Why don't you ditch that completely and switch to a Wix project. I mean seriously. That whole setup cadoodle is so much broken that every minute spend on it getting it to do what you want is a waste of time and life expectancy. It is so much broken... sorry.
 
@gunr2171 I used VLQ, but still. @rene's got this comment with self-promotion linked especially, which is what I was after
 
user3956566
@rene it's a project I've inherited, many years in the making O>O
 
@YvetteColomb yeah, I guessed so, not blaming you for making the wrong choices.
 
user3956566
@rene I'm uninstalling VS again.
 
user3956566
waffles
 
3:59 PM
@YvetteColomb I'm on a train now but if I'm at home I'll try to look into it.
 
user3956566
thanks :)
 
@YvetteColomb tempted to say too broad
 
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