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12:02 PM
@Tunaki I think someone flagged the comments asking for explanation for the [java] and [perl], as they're gone now. I still don't know why it still says Java in the title
 
user3956566
night all
 
Sam
Hiya/cya
 
Night @Yvette!
 
Cya @Yvette
Hiya @Sam
 
Laterz
 
12:08 PM
Hiya Sam!
 
Sam
\o/
 
@NATO Out of flags!
 
Already finished 100 flags?? :O
 
I now have 450 lines untested code
oh joy, debugging!
 
@Magisch How do you go that far before you want to hit the debug button. I normally stop every few functions.
 
12:18 PM
@NathanOliver What do you mean debugg button? Real men test live.
 
on prod
 
You laugh
Im doing that
 
C-x C-m butterfly
 
Maybe im a code Artist, eh?
 
not there yet
 
12:20 PM
@Magisch Braver man than I.
 
not until you use your dev environment as prod, and test on that while people use it
 
Magisch used "Attempt puN"
It failed
 
^ dev as prod, testing on that
 
I do have a test database
Im just not using it
 
12:47 PM
morning!
 
morning!
 
morning!
 
morning!
 
morning!
 
@Seth hello, are you new to the room?
 
Sam
12:48 PM
morning!
 
@gunr2171 Why did you have to break the train?? furious
 
Sam
All aboard the orphan train.
 
morning!
 
Hey gunr
 
morning!
 
12:49 PM
@gunr2171 Hello, kind of :) Mostly lurking tbh
 
see I'm not paranoid, people are watching me
 
@NathanOliver ò.ó
 
gunr2171: breaking trains since, some amount of time
 
12:50 PM
:)
 
:)
 
Sam
:)
 
:)
 
:)
 
trains everywhere, must be friday
 
12:51 PM
and I'm too late :(
 
Sorry I refuse to type out emoticons on priciple.
 
noooooooooo
 
:(
 
12:51 PM
:(
 
;(
 
of course
 
:|
 
12:52 PM
muhahahaha
 
:/
 
:S
 
:E
 
12:53 PM
I see productivity is through the roofs at our respective places of work...
 
It's Friday!
 
ಠ_ಠ
Hey
I wrote 540 lines of code
and pushed them live
:D
 
Did they work?
 
I'll find out next week
 
Did the tests go green on all?
 
12:54 PM
@Magisch And now it's not a "live" project anymore... rip o.o
 
What tests?
 
Tests are for the weak.
 
Unit, integration, UI
 
@kayess Who needs tests?
 
Tests are for people who don't know what they're doing
\o/
 
12:55 PM
lol
@Seth @Magisch in case :p
 
@Magisch or for astronauts.
 
pff
 
@Magisch No, tests are for people who have no trust in their ability of knowing what they're doing :D
 
hate to be boring, but you can mistype a symbol even if you know what you are doing
unit tests happily guard against both problems
 
12:57 PM
@tripleee boooooooring :o Btw, I'm kidding, just in case someone takes that serious.
 
Well
I suppose the users are my test
 
This is chat, all things are serious
 
@Magisch Of course!
 
I haven't heard complaints yet and according to my log people are working with it already
 
Or the classic if (condition) ; /* oh no a semicolon */ { //stuff that always runs }
 
12:58 PM
^ stuff that doesn't compile also :)
if (condition) ; /* oh no a semicolon */ { /*stuff that always runs*/ }
 
Well it did compile
the code base under gcc -Wpedantic -Wall has over 980 warnings though
So take that as you might
 
lol
 
@Tunaki shh
 
@Tunaki shh
 
@Magisch Just hide the warnings, you already know what you're doing, of course.
 
1:00 PM
@Tunaki Can't you "shh"??
 
I can ssh
 
Im a first year apprentice and learned programming less then 9 months ago, of course I know what im doing
 
@Tunaki Then you "shh"!
 
@Magisch famous last words
 
@Magisch First year apprentice high five!
 
1:02 PM
@Magisch so you're the Pimply-Faced Youth
 
I hope the code was properly ploppified.
 
kylified too?
 
Damn, that went away
 
@BhargavRao your feedback was still counted
 
That's good!
 
1:14 PM
@Tunaki of course of kyll
 
> When a post is destroying via 6 offensive flags [...], generally an immediate IP block is placed on their known locations
^ oh good to know!
 
@Tunaki You're talking about this post right?
 
yep
 
So how exactly did Closey stop working? I'm not familiar with what Docker does.
 
@ryanyuyu poke @gunr2171
 
1:23 PM
You know what a Virtual Machine is?
 
yes
 
There are 3 "places" you can run an application. First is right on the host system. This gives the app the most amount of resources to play with, but it can pollute your system quickly when you install a lot of program that conflict with each other.
the second is in a VM. that give you total isolation from the host system, but at the drawback of system resources.
the third is Docker, a hybrid VM. It's not totally isolated, but good enough.
in docker, you build an "image". You run a script to build this image which contains your app, all ready to run.
then you deploy it to a "container"
 
the container is the VM-hybrid that runs on the host system that runs your app.
hun, you're leaving?
 
cya @ASH
 
1:26 PM
cya
 
cya
 
oh, dur, wrong person I'm thinking of
continuing on....
 
Gunr at it again...
 
You're gunning for a mistake here
 
Sam
Gunr needs to backup his hard-brain drives.
 
1:27 PM
Containers are supposed to be ethereal: you should be able to stop, remove it, and recreate it, and your application should work again where it left off.
 
Like a snapshot of the program state?
 
in order to do that, you need some way of having persistent data, files that survive a container removal. This is what a "volume" is. Think of a volume a folder that is really mounted elsewhere that your container knows about and write to instead of it's own folder.
 
sure
virtual memory, but via Docker instead of like an OS, right?
 
right now, there are 3 methods to set up volumes. First is the easy way: host mounted volumes. You specify a folder on your host system and say "this is where the container will store it's files"
second is what were were doing: data-only containers. Essentially you set up a copy of the container where it's only job is a) not to run the program (run /bin/true), and b) hold your volumes.
that works fine, assuming you don't delete the container
and that's what happened
the program we use to manage all of those services and copies decided to recreate the service containers and data-only containers
 
oh. that sounds like a big problem. so all of the previous data is just gone
 
1:32 PM
thankfully, """no""".
 
triple double-quotes. oh man stuff just got real
 
docker doesn't delete volumes, ever (that we know of), even if you remove the container it is a part of
the hard part is finding it
it has some 30 char random folder name, so we have do a lot of searching to find the correct volume
 
anyone at ease with complexity calculations here?
 
Ah. So if we do manage to find it, then we can resume from where we left off.
 
@Tunaki Big O? Kinda
 
1:33 PM
@Tunaki I hated data structures.
 
I have an alg and I think I disagree with a comment
 
yes, but it's the problem of finding it. with the other services, it was easier because we knew what was inside those volumes, so finding it was easier. However, there are 2 problems with finding the data for closey's db
 
^ Java but meh I think the same applies for others languages.
 
a) I'm not sure what is actually in the volume (what files to search for)
b) I think I set up the volume path incorrectly to start with, so it might be that the data wasn't persistent to begin with
worst case scenario, we have to start over with closey's db. But it's not terribly important that we have historical information. it was amusing at best. I made the permission system in 2.0 to help ease the process of adding users into the system
 
ooh. Well good luck. Yeah we can always restart a new DB
 
1:37 PM
@NathanOliver contains is linear time. substring is on a fixed length here so constant-time (?), and then making the sets is linear. So the whole thing is linear, right?
 
calling all previous reviews a "preseason" and the real tracking of statistics starts now.
 
I have a few more fixes planned for the bot that I hope to get done today/this weekend.
I think monday I'll have to make that decision if we want to start fresh or work to find the old stuff
also, db backups would be a good idea
2
 
@Tunaki Yes this is linear. all of the other O(n) operations become constants. So the algo is O(n) + C where C is some constant amount of time of the sub string and hash operation.
 
bah backups are for the weak also
 
no, week-ly
 
1:40 PM
:D
@NathanOliver Okay thanks
will leave a comment
 
@Tunaki No problem. Sometimes people(i am included in that) forget the other operation get moved to being constants since it is the same thing every operation of the main loop.
 
@NathanOliver I left a comment codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/130023/…. Hmmm those things are always tricky =/
 
@Tunaki Cool. What is really fun is when you have one algo that is O(n) but it relies an hashing and pointers to main memory and another that is O(n^2) but you have a contiguous array and you find the O(n^2) is actually faster at run time because of cache optimizations.
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/17364127/… Now I don't know if I should post a separate answer, because my edit pretty much contains the same information as the answer already posted.
 
You could always post a separate answer. The worst that happens is it gets down voted.
 
1:58 PM
@Tunaki Regarding that question (stackoverflow.com/questions/37616228/…): Is it still appropriate to flag for duplicate even though the code does not compile, or should I leave it to people with V4C-permission, so that it's removed quickly?
 
Ha I just left a comment there :)
 
Sam
The S army is slowly growing.
 
Oh yes, it is ^-^ World domination is just barely out of our reach now.
@Tunaki Ah, I see :D
 
Sam
:D
 
The T army is just after that!
 
2:06 PM
@Tunaki But.. but... you need a "T"-Avatar to show your affiliation :c
That doesn't work otherwhise, how will we know that you are not boasting about the size of your army?
 
We don't need to boast
 
Don't you see the T inside my avatar?
It was encrypted through a cryptographically secure random generator, and hashed with salt and pepper.
 
@Tunaki Rorschach ink blots?
 
3k helpful flags, yay! Some days like today I feel like Sisyphus, though...
 
Woot?
 
2:13 PM
@EricD cough
 
Sam
@Tunaki If you look closely at my avatar, you'll see the bits that make of the bg.
 
@EricD 3.7k helpful flags, oh darn :D
 
Man I am a slacker. I only have 1.4K flags. 99.17% approved though
 
@NathanOliver cough :)
 
2:17 PM
@Tunaki wut? I don't get it
 
oh that was a wrong screenshot up there ^
nvm
 
ok :)
 
Do flags that aged away count against the approved-percentage?
 
@EricD Silly, He needs cough drops.
 
I think both aged away and disputed are just ignored. @Seth
 
2:17 PM
^ that
 
i.stack.imgur.com/Do1tN.png I need to up my game :/
 
JAL
Hi all
 
re,
got a questions
 
Hiya @JAL
 
how to mark a question as possible-duplicate on stack
 
JAL
2:19 PM
@EricD I saw you commented on this bounty question. Am I on the right track, or am I misunderstanding the question?
o/
 
Hey JAL
 
i've no more close vote but I want to mark the question to be closed
 
Sam
@JAL Hey
 
@David'mArm'Ansermot just flag and choose the "duplicate of" option.
 
98,53% ;(
 
2:19 PM
yep but no more close votes
so can't flag
 
JAL
Hi Bhargav, Nathan, Sam, et all
 
and i think i should not edit the question to add the tag
 
Hey Jal :)
 
@NathanOliver Woot, we reached an agreement codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/130023/… \o/
 
JAL
seth
etc
 
2:20 PM
@Tunaki Sweet. Glad to help
 
@David'mArm'Ansermot You could also manually leave your own version of the comment on the question.
 
Yep already commented with link to the possible duplicate @ryanyuyu
but should I add the tag manually ? @ryanyuyu
 
If it's particularly problematic being open, give us a link and some context and we'll take a look at it. Those familiar might vote accordingly.
 
No do not edit the post itself for that.
 
2:22 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/37616326/… <---- this on is a possible duplicate of this one -----> stackoverflow.com/questions/27011572/…
 
this looks like a job for @JAL!
 
yep @JAL go on !
 
JAL
what did i do now?
oh the dupes
 
look at iOS posts, above
 
ios dupe?
 
JAL
2:23 PM
let me see
 
flag as duplicate if I'm right ^^
 
JAL
cc @EricD for hammer
 
@JAL Interesting. I was pretty sure OP's issue was sandboxing, but you have a point with this answer.
 
JAL
thanks
oh you can't hammer, no swift
 
OP's name "Bear with me". A person after my own heart.
 
2:24 PM
k?
 
Sam
lol
 
To hammer or not to hammer...
sd k?
What does that mean?
 
@Seth It gives feedback to SmokeDetector.
 
JAL
@David'mArm'Ansermot I'm not so sure about this. The dupe target is asking for the entire collection view frame, while the original question is asking about the frame of a particular section in the collection view
 
We are confirming that it is spam
 
2:25 PM
@JAL yep, was not sure, i'm so tired today my eyes closing bvy themself. Thanks to took a look at
@JAL gonna go home for some sleep now
 
night o/
 
Oh, I see o.o
 
Can you not flag as both NAA and spam?
 
JAL
night
 
@ryanyuyu doesn't make a lot of sense to do that.
 
2:26 PM
@ryanyuyu Hmm no you can only raise one flag per post.
With the exception of custom flag.
 
Ok. The dialog box does not communicate that properly.
 
JAL
naa if you're chicken, spam if you're risky
:)
 
@Tunaki where do you get this stat? I can't find it in my profile
 
@JAL vlq if you are a rat
 
@EricD it's a userscript
 
JAL
2:27 PM
its a script
 
But it's just helpful / (helpful + declined)
 
you beat me to it
 
oh, there's a script I didn't try yet? I have to fix that!
...and thanks.
 
I guess you remembered the Meta post ID by heart @BhargavRao?
 
2:28 PM
@Tunaki Lol, Nope. I remember only MSE faqs
 
lovely anti-onebox edit btw
 
Hah, I was typing [no one box] but felt lazy. :D
 
99.25% on 3.7k flags, not bad...
Thanks for this script, guys.
 
JAL
are you guys using a fork of that or just the raw script in the question?
 
raw script for me
well I didn't update it in a long time so maybe it changed
 
2:38 PM
There was a fork? o_O
 
JAL
no fork, just wondering if anyone from this room forked it an added it to the SOCVR userscript repo
 
@JAL I just copied from the question and added to TamperMonkey
 
2:52 PM
Plop!
 
Hiya @Ashish
 
2:54 PM
o/
 
o/
 
o/
o/
 
Nope, you still broke it :c
 
2:57 PM
Now you broke it :D
 

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