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9:00 PM
@gunr2171 Yes?
 
want to look at that post? it's c++
 
Doesn't look too broad.
 
I agree with that
 
@Tunaki if @alain's answer answers it, then it's not too broad by definition, is it?
 
9:01 PM
Ok, I understand where the "too broad" come from. If you ignore the code, the post asks "how do I do this thing". There are too many ways to make it work. However, with the code, that at least shows that something was attempted. An edit would make it work, like shows why the code doesn't perform.
 
That's what I'm thinking too, thanks. I'll cast my vote now.
 
I think "If possible I'd like to know how to do it both tilt-compensated and also without compensating for tilt." is probably why it was closed as too-broad.
 
@gunr2171 yes that's why I'm unsure.
 
so I don't think it's too broad, maybe "no mvce".
 
anyone editing?
 
9:02 PM
@alain but if I understand correctly, even a tilted version should be fairly simple, mod accelerometer. Is this right?
 
I'm not
 
I'm not
 
I'm not
 
(I'm not)
 
@NathanOliver are you editing?
 
9:02 PM
@gunr2171 That is just the code to get the data. there is no attempt in it to be an mcve
@rene no
 
@NathanOliver yep, that's what I figured. Is is possible to use that code as a starting point for the answer, or does something new need to be developed?
crap, need to leave
 
@rene I think everyone wants you to do it :p
 
@AndrasDeak Hmm I guess but it's a bit more complicated
 
so if it gets reopened, will you close it with no mcve?:P
 
Because, what is "tilt" here. OP hasn't defined that. What does "tilt-compensated" mean?
 
9:04 PM
I'm not into c++ so probably not but it can be open
 
@Tunaki that might be trivial in context
I don't know anything about compasses
 
But it could be why it was closed, is what I'm saying.
 
In all actuality to me it should be closed as it is not a programming problem but a math problem. The OP wants to know how to translate the coordinates. I would suspect if he had an algorithm he would be able to code it.
 
I guess it means that if the compass is not in the xy plane, you need to take that into account
@Tunaki ah, I see, sorry
 
@Tunaki tilt is when the magnetic field is measured with a device that is not level, and this has to be corrected
 
9:06 PM
@NathanOliver that's a good point
(3 reopen votes now)
 
@alain Correct me if I'm wrong but it doesn't look like your answer is taking that into account?
 
should I vote to reopen if I think it's not too broad but off-topic?
 
@Tunaki these are all basic orienteering terms (tilt, compensate, heading, etc.)
 
@Tunaki that's the last two sentences of the answer if I'm not mistaken
 
Okay I need a coffee.
 
9:07 PM
but it is missing
that's why I asked how more complicated it would be to take tilt into account
 
@Tunaki yes my answer has a formula for the untilted case and a vague description of how to solve the tilted case
 
if taking that into account gives 100 more lines of code, then it might be too broad after all
 
^ that
 
like that first commenter said, it could be a thesis
though it would be an extremely short one
 
I think it should stay closed.
 
9:08 PM
@NathanOliver or remove the tilt-correction?
 
@AndrasDeak we sometimes do a re-open/close cycle. But you're free to use your votes
 
@TylerH yes to do it optimally maybe, but the principle is just trigonometry
 
@rene yeah, I know, but I'm unaware of the customs
@alain so is the question essentially "how to compute the azimuthal angle from 3d compass data?"?
 
Without that sentence about tilt-correction, I would vote to reopen. But there, I'm not sure.
 
@AndrasDeak I would not remove that as it is unclear if the op needs both or he would be okay without having the tilt compensation.
 
9:10 PM
@AndrasDeak Most common is to correct a wrong duplicate but getting a better fitting close notice on the post can also be a good reason
 
@NathanOliver I guess...
 
@NathanOliver the op commented on my post that the basic version is ok
 
@rene I see, thanks. So generally not worth the effort, unless the reason is way off.
 
yep
 
9:11 PM
@alain In that case, you can tell the OP about removing that sentence (or do it yourself and in the edit summary say "roll back if this isn't intended)
 
I would still make the OP remove it or have an OK from a comment. I do not like to change the scope of a question like that but that is just me.
 
But is it really too broad with the tilt correction in it?
 
@alain I think it would depend on the length of the answer with tilt-correction, and I don't understand the problem well enough to judge that
(but I'm an irregular here, so it doesn't matter much what I think:D)
 
@AndrasDeak yes that would be a good reason to leave it open :)
 
Or, instead of having it as a question, it is rephrased to "My end goal is then to do it with tilt-correction", implying that the answers don't need to take it into account but can talk about it if they want.
 
9:16 PM
@alain I'm not sure what you mean, as it's still closed
 
@AndrasDeak eeh sorry I meant reopen it
 
ah, OK
then I disagree
If I'm not convinced that it's too broad, I won't vote to close it as such. If I'm not convinced that it's not too broad, I won't vote to reopen it.
 
@AndrasDeak seems fair to me.
 
Later guys
 
see you
aaah
I think I understand the question, and it's very simple, and yes, it's math
essentially the answer is still "theta=atan2(Y,X)", if I'm not mistaken. Since projecting (X,Y,Z) to in-plane is exactly (X,Y)
 
9:21 PM
But you can't change your mind. That's against the rules.
:)
 
so as I said earlier
11 mins ago, by Andras Deak
@alain so is the question essentially "how to compute the azimuthal angle from 3d compass data?"?
unless I'm completely missing the meaning of tilt
 
With tilt, X Y Z is not upright, so you have to rotate/project the vector, so it's not simply X Y
 
I think I understand it, with your comment about an accelerometer
 
The main reason I want it to be open is that I'm interested in new answers
 
@alain that's a very bad reason
 
9:24 PM
Voted to reopen. Googling around, this is really not to broad. It is a math question though but I'd say that with the code in the question, it makes it enough programming-related.
 
Yes? Why?
 
too broad and opinionated questions have a lot of interesting answers:)
doesn't mean they should be left open
 
Yes but that's really not opinion IMO
 
@alain I'm not saying it is; I'm just saying that "I'm interested in new answers" is not a very good reason to open a question:)
but I tend to agree with Tunaki on this one
I think it's off-topic, and definitely poorly asked, but not too broad
 
Yes I see what you mean.
 
9:26 PM
voted, open now
 
Yay this room can reopen things \o/
 
@Tunaki I've never actually done that before:D
 
Em sorry, that's the first time i'm here ;-)
Thanks for your votes!
 
JK.
Hi, can we get some more close votes on this please, completely off topic : stackoverflow.com/questions/35059302/…
 
@alain you should still try to get OP to make the question clearer
or narrower in appearence
 
9:28 PM
@JK. You might want to tag your message with [tag:cv-pls], it helps keeping things organized
 
although your accepted answer makes it much less probable to be closed again
 
JK.
sorry - didnt know how this room works :)
 
@JK. and I suggest linking to the question, not the answer
 
and I'm back
 
You missed EVERYTHING.
 
9:29 PM
clearly
 
There was a unicorn. And a flying waffle.
 
@Tunaki What is your final conclusion "we go with abusive" and see what happens?
 
@AndrasDeak yes I'll think about how to do that..
 
although it ends with

"It doesn't help us today but in the future you will be able to play games with GPU offloaded to a grid, and the local system can be a low end system of any OS. "
mind blown
 
9:31 PM
@AndrasDeak He must have sore fingers by now. Also, sore at the people who closed the question.
 
@zondo I think he's more pissed at the downvote
 
@PetterFriberg I'll go with abusive yeah. It seems all moderator agree that they will accept that.
 
In the future there will be no such thing as native binaries and everything will run on javascript.
 
so, what happened to that "mentor" program?
 
9:33 PM
However, it is the inconsistency that is bugging me.
 
@Tunaki All? 2 of them : )
 
You would assume that moderators have some sort of a set of rules to follow.
 
@Tunaki I always see wildly differing approaches to problems from the mods' side
I'm not that surprised that they disagree on these things
 
But, for the user, it is then a gamble. The result depends on which mod is acting on your flag.
 
@Tunaki To tell the truth I was expecting NAA, less joob for mod let the LQP Handle it...
 
9:35 PM
@Tunaki it is
NAA is safe, is it not?
or are you missing the lack of repercussion for the user spamfilter-wise?
 
It is but flagging such garbage as NAA could make it last at least 3 days. Maybe more.
 
I see
hmm
 
The VLQRQ might even mess it up and edit that or "Look OK" by robo-reviewer.
 
but then again, gibberish answers are harmless, unlike advertising spam and offensive posts
It's surely annoying to have them around, but they are less critical in a way
yeah, I guess introducing them to the queues introduces a certain...human factor
which is more often than not bad news
I might be a bit pessimistic
 
Blame the humans yeah. Us bots do it right.
:)
 
9:39 PM
fo sho;)
heartless humans are OK:D
hearty humans and robos are not:P
 
@PetterFriberg sorry, I should have mentioned I was on it
 
:D. Well anyway, I'll go with offensive now.
 
may the odds be ever in your favour
 
@rene Thanks I was think I was ignored... delete my comment
 
np, ok, sorry
 
9:42 PM
Should I flag the posts that I vote to close?
 
ugh, I'm also writing up a comment
 
@zondo as what?
oh
nevermind me
For some reason I thought you can't flag once you can vote to close
doesn't a flag turn into a close-vote?
someone complained that reaching 3k they had some problems working on flagging badges
 
@PetterFriberg ok, how about this?
@Arden providing more specifics, like language and framework would help a lot and get you started towards making a great post.
Stack Overflow works best when posts are about a narrow topic that can be answered quickly. My advice to you is to try out that framework for a day or so and document your efforts. Once you have a working example of your issue, post a question, and be as specific as you can. That way we can help you fix your issue rather than start from scratch. This format really helps readers in the future, which is our main goal.
 
@AndrasDeak Oh, I don't know. Should I try closing some unlucky person's post so I can check? :)
 
@zondo no, try flagging first, something you'd close
odds are you'll have it CVed automatically
It should work something like this, at least the person who I pushed through 3k was very angry with me for preventing his further flagging:D
 
9:46 PM
@rene I don't know if this is good or not... but I still suggest since ideas are ideas... why not pass a formatted comment on the question (telling that a cvs-pls request have been passed) when you pass a cvs-pls request to this chat. What can be the pros and the negatives?
@gunr2171 Thanks I posted it...
 
@PetterFriberg you mean comment in CW answer?
 
@zondo flag as what?
 
@AndrasDeak I just flagged a post, and when I popped up the dialog to close, my only option was to retract my close vote.
 
@zondo yup
flag turns into CV automagically
 
@rene As something that should be closed.
 
9:47 PM
you can only flag rude/offensive/spam/NAA/etc now
closevote-able flags are close-votes
 
@PetterFriberg good in theory, in reality it clutters up the comments
 
Does a close vote notify moderators like a flag does?
 
plus < 20 user can't join chat
 
@zondo I don't think a flag does
at least the CV-compatible ones
 
@zondo no, it just gets dropped into the CV queue
 
9:48 PM
@zondo If you are above 3K it doesn't matter, they don't remove the close option from the flag dialog
 
I mean a comment on the question... You are good at formatting it... but something like "I have passed a close vote request on this question since I think its to broad, see how to ask, if you want to speak with me you can find me here."
 
@gunr2171 they can still read...for what it's worth
 
@pp_ duplicate of what?
 
of course discussion is out of the question
 
a one way conversation is not a conversation :P
unless it's with my waifu
 
9:49 PM
and the majority of the cesspool-filling comes from <20 rep
@gunr2171 lol:D
 
@PetterFriberg the point is if the cv-pls doesn't get followed by 4 users you've created noise and attracted maybe more attention than was warranted if you didn't leave a comment and the question would have remained open
 
@AndrasDeak They can comment under there on answer...
 
@PetterFriberg users get an inbox notification IIRC
 
@rene Ok, but maybe we should have something specially when room single handly close a question (last reviewer comment?)
 
9:51 PM
@pp_ if youre out of close votes and want to close it as a duplicate, make sure you post a comment so we can find the target easier
 
@PetterFriberg is there a way to tell if the room did it?
except that it happening in a 2minute window:P
 
pp_
@cimmanon will do next time
 
@cimmanon <3k rep, can only flag
no?
 
pp_
@AndrasDeak a duplicate flag will still add a comment
 
@pp_ oooh, right, sorry
 
9:53 PM
@PetterFriberg the post notice says closed for reasons What needs to be in the comment?
 
@rene "prepare your counterpitchforks at this address: Meta Stack Overflow, ..." ;)
 
The is was close by the SOCVR room having a cvs-pls request (transparency). I repeat I do not know if this is good or not its mostly an idea
 
@PetterFriberg I think that would make things worse socially
oil-on-fire-like
you know, not just close it, but then piss on top
maybe it's just me...
 
^ completely agree
 
if comment is made correctly giving hope to OP (the ones that care)... maybe not...
 
9:56 PM
Yeah, I know. If we leave a comment it needs to be an invitation to communicate. I think we leave comments on the posts that need a little help. I don;'t fancy spend much time on users that didn't care to read in the first place
I'll take this with me and put it on our discussion list for an upcomming room meeting
 
Its all about how the comment is made... and it surely gives a lot of transparency...
 
@PetterFriberg I think that even though it's well meaning, it would make much more trouble than how much it would help
it would be borderline impossible to phrase it in a way that won't tick off every other OP
 
@PetterFriberg I'm in favor for transparancy. I don't want to express hope, only give guidance. Our room can be part of that, sure
 
I'm out for today, cya!
 
especially tagging it with "closed by SOCVR" would radiate everything but transparency for most users around, especially those who consider the room an inbred crowd of haters
@gunr2171 bye
As an outsider, I wouldn't think it says "come around and let us know if we've misjudged, we're open for discussion", but more like an act of dominance
again, it could be phrased in a way to avoid this, but not easily
(I'm all for transparency, though)
It would be more helpful to introduce audits in the room, [cv-pls]ing non-closable questions, and breaking the leg of whoever jumps on it
 
10:03 PM
@AndrasDeak There are many bad OP out there... but also OP that care and I still think its very hard to ask a good question on SO... so every help they can get is good... and since this room is about improving content on SO (even if it has a non good marketing name) I know that all how you are happy to improve the question.. I was trying to get some ideas on "How to do this"
 
that would keep users' vote happiness at bay
 
@PetterFriberg Having thought a bit about it, I'm more in favor of having a good canonical meta post that offers all possible guidance to edit a question back into shape. In an answer this room can be mentioned
 
@rene that sounds nice
@PetterFriberg I don't want to sound too cynical, but there's a FAQ full of helpful stuff like asking good questions, and what's on topic
 
We'll have to work out the details but such a post can benefit more users than just us
 
if I could read it before asking my first question, others can do so as well:)
 
10:05 PM
@rene rene my is an idea, I have not the experience to evaluate the consequences, it all about helping to improve content... and strangle closing is also about this....
 
True, we will work on this.
 
sorry for the English... I can see the keyboard and its auto correcting... and I hate to re-ping
 
If nobody can find a good meta-post/FAQ that can be used as a starting point we'll have to create a FAQ-proposed our selves.
 
@PetterFriberg Ha that was English? I thought it was German, sorry.
 
10:07 PM
lol... I'm specially proud of strangle.. strangely
 
I leave it to the regulars here to get that started because I'm out for the day/night...
 
Cya o/
 
Cya o/
 
Cya o/
(did I do it right?)
 
(yes, we're all proud of you)
 
10:11 PM
(I'm also proud of myself, in a modest way)
 
Now that is too broad.
 
phew, nailed it:D
 
@Tunaki : )
 
ABUSIVE
 
10:24 PM
meh I wanted to flag for mod attention
 
5 close-vote and 2 delete-vote wasted. That's real nice.
 
offensive – Petter Friberg 3 mins ago helpful
 
ah, cool
will go with that one next time
if I'll have the time:D
 
lets see if it stays that way
 
it's helpful only because the post was automatically deleted
 
10:26 PM
user deleted too, it would seem
 
probably not because a mod marked your flag valid
 
I didn't have time to flag it, got deleted earlier
hence "meh, I wanted to flag"
 
true... don't say cat until you have it in the sack....
 
oh, you said probably not because...
then yes, you're right, probably not:D
 
@AndrasDeak Install the chrome plugin, fight the spam.. you get notify even if not in chat
 
10:28 PM
Looks like you need a coffee too.
 
@PetterFriberg I'm not sure firefox will go with that
@Tunaki if you mean me, I always need a coffee
I was going to defend myself on the basis of it being late here, then I realized that we share a time zone
 
Can people add two answers like this: stackoverflow.com/a/35614354/462627
Isn't it bad?
 
It's just a user that doesn't get the Q/A format and is used to forums.
I'll edit that latest post into the other answer
 
@Tunaki funny thing is, they did edit their original answer at least once
they forgot how to do that in 3 weeks
 
You can edit in forums also
 
10:33 PM
nooo way
so why don't they?:)
 
Review 2 days old: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/11372711 could peeps review that?
 
How many reviewer are needed? and who are peeps?
 
Dunno, it takes at least 5 or 6 but maybe if someone review it, it'll get bumped
 
ok 3 now...
 
this is "apple arrow that way", so recomend deletion, right?
as per Tiny Giant's profile info:P
and an answer like this on a 5-year-old question...
 
10:50 PM
As far as I understand, even if it's above link-only NAA quality, answers that are little more than links are still usually delete-worthy because they don't contain useful content within themselves. Unless there is actually some good content. But this one doesn't do anything beyond name-dropping
 
I don't see why it is above link-only NAA quality. It's just 2 dead link with no text
 
Sorry let me clarify. I meant even if it were above link-only NAA quality (it's not).
 
Ah :D
 
cool, thanks
 
But since it's already in VLQ there's not a hurry to NAA flag right?
 
10:53 PM
hey, you tricked me into reviewing
 
@ryanyuyu I always to try to judge remove the link (I do not check if they work) and check if anything that remains can be useful... you still understand, you still have an answer.. when only keywords remains its a border case... where the hard core's delete and non hard core's skip
keywords in the sense that if I search on internet I find something good...
 
@Tunaki out of votes?
 
Sure. In this case, the keywords were already present in the question so they're not useful.
 
@AndrasDeak Yup...
 
:(
I have plenty, I'm available if you find some which don't need much comprehension to close
 
11:03 PM
@AndrasDeak Maybe you can go to Campaigns then, we surely would need you.
 
@Tunaki are those posts the same as the beehive batches, or broader?
 
same, it was just moved to another chat room to not bring too much noise here
 
looks like there was some drama here earlier
 
11:20 PM
big drama yeah...
 
what was it about?
 
The drama yesterday night was bigger : )
@user1803551 Follow the chat link if you want all the inside details.. chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/104431/…
 
All right, need sleep. Cya o/
 
11:32 PM
o/
 

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