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4:00 PM
@kayess isn't this script-generated?
why is your vote not present then?
 
@AndrasDeak My what? CV ?
 
yup
probably caching...
 
@AndrasDeak Check my rep... I'm the only rep-kiddo around here :p
 
ooooh
sorry:)
 
@kayess You can still down-vote...
 
4:02 PM
@PM2Ring I think he did
 
Keep telling them to get rep
 
@PM2Ring I did
 
@rene Kids these days... :)
 
Incredible; even the title is telling.
 
@cricket_007 this is a bit late, but you might want to use standard, non-rep-targeting comments to help the OP.
 
4:17 PM
@gunr2171 Fair enough
 
agree --------------------------------^
 
check how beautiful its is... : )
 
He edited his question with the code. I'm mentioning it so that nobody says questions don't get reopened. :)
 
@zondo - He actually edited to remove the link. I edited to add the code
 
too bad Yam is down because of my server
 
4:24 PM
@ProgramFOX Yeah, the answer was "this is hard let's go close some stuff"
 
heh
 
@Tunaki That's meta post worthy. Those flags shouldn't be declined
Unless there's more here that you're not telling us
 
@Undo agreed
 
@Undo I don't think we have a record of keeping things secret
 
4:26 PM
The spam flags were both declined and the post was deleted, user nuked.
 
Nite!
 
Nite!
 
That makes me believe I shouldn't have flagged, therefore that it isn't spam, therefore that Smokey shouldn't report it.
 
Can anyone check if I'm correct here
 
The current guideline on flagging those posts is very blurry at best.
 
4:27 PM
@Tunaki I think you should ask on Meta why the spam flags were declined
because that's a moderator action
 
I know why they were declined. They not strictly spam.
 
Yesterday a moderator was here and thanked us for pointing out that you could use spam flag.... (I think is mostly education of moderators...)
 
sdfgjsdfg is spam and if a moderator doesn't think so please let me know which one so I can educate them
 
Don't expect me to point fingers at the moderators.
 
@Tunaki Just point the mods at Shog's guidelines that he gave us.
 
4:29 PM
@TylerH that is at best abusive, but not spam
 
That was more a decree for the public, really
because it is spam and anyone who doesn't think so is using pedantry in a harmful way
to say "spam is only undisclosed advertisements" is way too narrow
 
pp_
@TylerH Wikipedia agrees with you
 
and to this day I'm appalled that such a simple thing hasn't been fixed
because shog has basically said it needs to be fixed
 
But anyway, what I wanted to discuss about was: Should Smokey report those posts?
 
Nonsense, gibberish posts should be reported.
They should be reported, flagged as rude/abusive, killed by said flags, SpamRam trained on the user, and we move on.
That's how the system is supposed to work
@Tunaki I'll do it for you, then.
Nov 5 '15 at 17:51, by Shog9
@NathanOliver if it's a new user, that's probably abuse. If it's not, their cat probably sat on the keyboard.
^ this is my guideline
 
4:33 PM
The last two links I gave are from yesterday (or the day before, I can't remember) and today.
 
I have this denied stackoverflow.com/questions/16888574/… (note I can't see it anymore but probably sdfsdfdsf), but lot of similar accepted... so its just a different moderator...
 
if a post was tagged with the wrong language and somehow people gave answers which are based on a few words here and there in the question, then the post was edited to the right language tag, what to do with these irrelevant answers?
 
@PetterFriberg Literally "fdsffdfdfdfdfdsfjs sfjsfks fsfjs fjsf s"
 
pp_
I think the best solution would be to define nonsense, gibberish posts as spam (because they are). This way such posts will still be deleted quickly and all we have to do is to change the SO definition of spam and to educate some moderators. Oh, and Smokey can keep reporting said posts.
 
Oh, Smokey will keep reporting them whether they're officially classified as abusive or not.
 
4:39 PM
@J.F.Sebastian what? In what way or form is a question about "programing on a boat" even on topic on first place? — Braiam 5 secs ago
 
Because walking into a conversation and saying "blarglefooasdfasdssa" is never considered anything other than rude.
 
@Undo Can you contact some moderators through unknown channels and get feedback on that?
 
someone didn't read that meme
 
@pp_ Unfortunately it does not matter what we thinks, what is strange is it seem not to matter what shog thinks... the mods needs only to be educated (i guess)
 
@Tunaki Maybe.
A meta post is a good idea either way.
 
4:40 PM
There is a Meta.
 
Link?
 
I think that would be best.
 
I know it exists, too busy to go digging for it
 
ugh, not clear enough
We need something that says "USERS: flag these as abusive. THESE FLAGS ARE VALID."
 
4:43 PM
But even that Meta is contradictory in itself.
 
In only slightly more words
 
It is closed as dupe of "What is spam"
But the answer of Ed is saying "Okay you can do it but I wouldn't"
 
These are not spam. These are abusive.
 
I remember Shog saying: we want users to flag stuff that bother them, what option they pick to flag is irrelevant
 
@Braiam Um, it kinda is relevant. Penalty flags are a little more touchy than NAA/VLQ flags
 
4:44 PM
@Undo Is there a real difference between spam and abusive here though? In either case, the consequence is the same: 6 flags of those and poof.
And it is restricted to 1-rep user.
 
@Braiam Either Shog is wrong or there is mutiny among mods
 
@Tunaki Just naming.
Pretty sure they go to the same 6-flag bucket, too
 
They do. shog says they are all the same on the backend.
 
Maye that Meta should be reopened?
 
That said, I have exactly one declined rude/offensive flag. It was my fault.
So... yeah. Flag this stuff as rude/offensive, not spam.
 
4:46 PM
That's what I do.
 
Well I'm voting to reopen nonetheless because the dupe target really doesn't apply.
Ah, that was quick.
 
@Undo Not sure this solves the problem.... I think the debate between moderators are "rude/offensive,spam" vs NAA
 
@PetterFriberg agree
 
with the beauty of "rude/offensive,spam" actually 6 -- > no work for moderator...
 
@PetterFriberg Maybe not, but if you're flagging this as spam it shows up as a big red "spam" badge in the mod dashboard. I'd be somewhat inclined to decline that too, just to get the point across.
or mark it helpful with a "use an offensive flag next time" message
 
4:49 PM
So are the "rude / abusive" flag not get shown as a big red "abusive" badge?
 
Thanks, I will take your advice...
 
Usually it's clear cut, but when you're handling hundreds of these it's nice to be told exactly what to look for.
@Tunaki They're shown with a big red 'offensive' badge.
It's our job to make moderators' jobs as easy as possible. Part of that is using the right flag for the right thing.
 
Fair enough. If it's flagging as rude, I'm okay with that.
 
anyway I have also voted to reopen
 
But it's not clear that this is what it is expected of us though.
 
4:52 PM
@Tunaki can you please pass a comment on Kevin's post why re-open....
or do you wish that I do?
 
Please go ahead
 
@KevinGuan are you here?
 
I think he's asleep
 
0
A: Is a post such like 'assdddsssafffwq' spam?

UndoThese are abusive, and should be flagged as such. Those flags should be marked correct. Here's my reasoning: We are a professional site. Imagine you're at a conference. You walk into a group of professionals discussing something and yell "ASGFASFABFSSFS" at the top of your lungs. You'd end up...

 
@Mogsdad looks more POB to me.
 
4:59 PM
@NathanOliver Yeah. Zigged when I should have zagged, but still close-worthy.
 
@Tunaki To slow, no need anymore...
 
@Mogsdad agreed. that was more of "this is how I voted" comment.
 
@user1803551 A Q should not be edited to invalidate the answers on it. I think a new Q should have been raised.
 
@NathanOliver it's the same questions, he just used the wrong language tag. the answers couldn't have been relevant no matter what because the given code is in a different language
 
5:05 PM
Did the answers answer the problem with the language the Q was originally tagged with?
 
@NathanOliver how could they? he had a problem in the code of language 1 and they gave him code in language 2
 
@user1803551 Can get a link to the Q just so I can see the whole thing?
 
@Undo Shog just commented on that
 
@Tunaki Saw it
 
5:11 PM
@user1803551 wow
those answers...
 
JAL
I have had a few questions regarding the use of C rectangle structs in Swift. I've attempted to create a sort of canonical Q&A re these questions, inspired by a comment on a different question. If people feel this is POB, I'll happily delete it. Just want a second set of eyes on it: stackoverflow.com/q/35608638/2415822
 
@TylerH yes :)
 
JAL
Would love some feedback from iOS people as well, @Undo, @EricD., etc
 
@JAL Looks fine to me, but I suspect you'll get some drive-by POB votes.
 
@user1803551 OK. With that I would say comments to the answers to let them know they are way off base. If that does nothing after an amount of time you are willing to give them then I would just down vote/delete vote. looks like FGITW's were trying to get some rep.
 
JAL
5:14 PM
I'll leave it up. If it gets some hate, I'll consider making it Community Wiki
Thanks Undo
 
@NathanOliver look when i commented on the answers. one even replied that it's fine. I also downvoted them
don't have delete votes
 
@user1803551 Yeah I saw that. I put a delete on all of them.
Of them just deleted as well.
 
@NathanOliver i didn't want to flag as NAA because in the queue they might look like answers. i was thinking VLQ but can't be sure that would work either
 
@user1803551 I don't think flagging is the way to go. If the users do nothing then down votes and deletes are the way to go.
 
@NathanOliver but i'm not supposed to go on a crusade to find del votes contributors
 
5:24 PM
@user1803551 You don't have to. The down votes will suffice. Give the community some time to take care of them.
 
ok, will wait
 
@Tunaki, Ed has edit his post meta.stackoverflow.com/a/310179/5292302, but it still says better to flag NAA, VLQ... so back to square 1
@Tunaki, CrishF just added a answer meta.stackoverflow.com/a/317616/5292302, he will dispute spam flags... The confusion is increasing... need to go so you are on your own....
 
@PetterFriberg Not really, everyone is saying that offensive flags are definitely valid.
oh, nevermind.
 
Yeah I agree... and if you do not like disputed flags go for NAA
@Undo However Ed preferred SPAM : )... Time to run cya all
 
JAL
5:47 PM
Went through some google reviews in the queue
 
5:58 PM
@JAL JAL FTW!
 
JAL
Let me know if I missed any
 
6:10 PM
@JAL The question looks a bit opinion based - but is not... in my opinion. ;) And the answer is nicely put. +1
 
JAL
@EricD. Thanks. Feel free to make any edits if you think it can be improved further
 
@PetterFriberg That's just great now. We have 1 mod saying he will accept spam flags and 1 mod saying he won't.
Meanwhile, Shog says "it doesn't matter, hit the first flag you can reach"
More inconsistency
 
I'm out for the rest of the day. It's Wednesday, which means "all afternoon meeting". woooooooo
 
Have fun
 
Do come back alive
Does this qualify as tool request? stackoverflow.com/q/35609896/1743880
 
6:19 PM
I thought that if a very low quality flag was accepted as helpful, a post is deleted?
 
@Ferrybig Not if it was edited. An edit clears the flag.
 
@Tunaki Remember this post?
 
@Tunaki I think it does. The documentation in someone's answer could easily become outdated, and I believe that is why that close reason is around.
 
@Ferrybig It was edited thus clearing VLQ flags.
@Ferrybig But it's still NAA.
@zondo Okay thanks.
 
@Tunaki its almost NAA, the only useful part is "The preferred way to report stuff is to include the failing function in the message and use perror, e.g. perror("open")"
 
6:23 PM
Then I suggest you edit it to that :D
 
@Tunaki commented a bit
 
@JAL According to the Magic Tag Review, there are 32 questions tagged with 1+ close votes on them.
Not all questions with close votes appear in the close queue.
 
No, they are filtered and/or take awhile to get added
 
6:44 PM
@Ferrybig I like how the top answer had a spelling mistake: "spelling mistace"; a classic example of Muphry's Law in action. :)
 
Just noticed that when a question gets closed on meta(example: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/317462) the links in the close message are to the help center for SO questions and not meta questions. Shouldn't that be changed? Because how to ask a programming question is different from asking a meta question. Also the close reasons doesn't help much either, since they are different between SO and meta: stackoverflow.com/help/closed-questions
 
JAL
@KirkBeard last active 1 year ago, any reason why we should touch it now?
 
I just stumbled across it then. Is it better to ignore old questions like that?
 
Oops, that [cv-pls] didn't work. How do you do that?
 
@zondo It's [tag:cv-pls]...
 
JAL
6:52 PM
I'll let the ROs (re @gunr2171, @NathanOliver, @rene, etc) make the final ruling, but in the past we try to avoid touching questions that do not have recent activity. It prevents noise by bumping the question to the front page (with downvotes or whatever)
If an old question is attracting new, bad answers (new pooâ„¢ as Mogsdad says), then it's appropriate to close the question to prevent new low-quality answers
like a tool req
 
Roger that, I'll keep that in mind in the future.
 
JAL
Thanks!
 
@KirkBeard No, unless it attracts new answers, or is used as an example of my question is allowed see here or if it is brand new in a low traffic tag we are happy to help out
 
@JAL You are correct. There is enough new crud coming in for us to spend our CV's on.
 
Otherwise the normal routes are peferred
 
6:55 PM
Yep.
Why would a DV or CV bump a post to the front page?
 
JAL
Not sure about CVs, but a downvote will bump a post to the front page because it is new activity on the post
 
really?
 
I wasn't aware of that. That doesn't seem logical to me either.
 
JAL
Yes, check the timeline. Or go find an old post and test it out
sd edited remove
sd edited
 
@zondo I'm not sure if it is too broad. Wouldn't no MCVE be better guidance for the OP when closed?
 
JAL
6:59 PM
 
Oh well. I'll stop CV on the random questions I stumble across (unless active, etc).
 
@zondo You can edit the OP's comment into the question instead of downvoting and closing.
 
JAL
No worries at all! Or you can cv it and hope someone finds it in the queue
 
@KirkBeard Yeah, unless you are a regular in a low traffic tag but then make sure we know you're requesting it for that reason
 
Sure, will do.
 
7:01 PM
thanks
 
Oh, wait. That wasn't the OP's comment...
 
@rene You might be right about that.
 
You bet
 
rene is always right anyway.
What's up with all those manual reports
 
@Tunaki Sounds like a possible TV series :p
 
7:05 PM
@JonClements I get royalties?
 
Mkay.
 
JAL
(waffle'd)
 
3 messages moved to Trash can
The transcript looks waffle'd
 
That it does. Lets add some more lines to make it disappear.
 
?
 
7:08 PM
This is a line to make it disappear.
 
Me and my English
 
I have returned
from the depths of depravity (swift coding)
 
Welcome Back
 
Somebody exorcise me
 
JAL
@Magisch you do Swift? I thought you were a C guy
 
7:10 PM
Have a look at Haskell questions in the CVQ
 
@JAL The company I work for thought it was a good idea to make their own newsletter app
three guesses of who had to do it
 
JAL
I do iOS. You could have used Objective-C
 
@rene you glutton for punishment, you
Someone wanting to load up with 40 audit questions, eh?
 
:)
Always happy to support this room
 
@JAL I did the entire thing by basicly self-tutorialising through it in 3 hours
And im now going back to never touching smart phone apps again with a 10ft barge pole
 
JAL
7:13 PM
It's not that bad
lol
I love mobile, that's all I do pretty much
 
I do embedded systems in c and assembler
very nice stuff
very rewarding and sane
 
@rene taken care of
 
tnx
 
JAL
embedded systems huh? I can see why you don't like mobile
 
7:14 PM
@JAL Handscanners, programming robots, moving robots, that stuff
 
JAL
wow that all sounds awesome
 
still an apprentice, but im having fun so far
 
Best comment of the day
Why don't you just give us your teacher's email address and we'll send them your homework already completed for you. — Rick S 36 secs ago
 
sorry
 
sd remove- edited
@rene To me?
 
7:19 PM
@rene are you canadian now?
 
@NathanOliver yes
 
No problem. I saw the edit warning come up so I just left it.
 
@TylerH I dunno? Does that happen easily?
 
@rene not sure
ask Ted Cruz
he's a Canadian
 
7:21 PM
@PraveenKumar Your answer could use a little text so that the OP can conver it to their language of choice IMO.
 
@Tunaki Ha ha.. After seeing that dupe, I feel like my answer is shit! :P
It's a Community Wiki... So anyone can edit it...
 
@PraveenKumar Nothing stopping you from deleting it
 
Or improving it.
 
Deleted... I don't even know why I answered it in the first place.
@Drew ^^^
 
@rene btw nice oratory imitation of Bernie Sanders here
 
7:31 PM
Without knowing I'm fully engaged with your on-going election ritual...
 
@Kyll that was quick
@PM2Ring approved now...
 
> This edit was already approved - please visit the post and correct the edit.
 
Damn, too late.
 
@PM2Ring weren't you sure enough to reject and edit?
 
@AndrasDeak I'm fairly sure where the brackets should go (see my 2nd comment), but I was hoping the OP would verify my guess.
 
7:38 PM
@PM2Ring yeah, I see your point
and I think you're right, judging by OP's comment
there's no way ]]]] should be at the end
 
@PM2Ring Yet it has a +5 answer?
 
it's as if OP had a bonus pair of [] around the whole thing, confusing everyone
 
@Tunaki Sad, isn't it. Maybe we should just close it as unclear until the OP clears up the confusion. The example list in his comment doesn't help matters. :)
 
@PM2Ring I'm pretty sure they're only missing a ] from each [content,[more content]] block:P
just like you said
 
Or, there is a indefinite number of sublist.
 
7:41 PM
I just don't get why they're not using a dict instead
@Tunaki for the sake of everything that is holy, let's hope not:D
 
@AndrasDeak Sure. FWIW, there's also a deleted answer there from JRazor, the peson who made the edit to the question.
 
@PM2Ring ah, OK then, thanks
can't see that yet:(
and if I keep it up, I won't be seeing it for years:D
 
@AndrasDeak :) Weirdly, the code in JRazor's answer uses my version of the input list, not his!
 
@PM2Ring that's why they deleted it, figured it was wrong
and edited to clarify after their revelation...
:28948315 now you do?;)
It's always bothering me how editors are allegedly pingable, yet their name doesn't autocomplete
always makes me doubt that they're really pingable
 
installed a third operating system on my phone, during a meeting. boredom level: maximum
 
7:55 PM
@gunr2171 :D Sounds intense
 
8:25 PM
I hate it when things start to work after I reboot the box without changing anything
 
It really complicates the diagnostics doesn't it?
 
yeah
I already learned to stay away from that java stuff. This experience doesn't help.
 
Whats going on?
 
Why? No. You should embrace Java. It is life and power.
 
@NathanOliver I have a mixed jenkins setup with a linux master and a windows slave
 
8:32 PM
If I find a question which includes everything to answer it, I'm like dreaming: NO WAI!
 
@rene Oh. I cannot help you at all with that.
 
@rene once you set it up, you don't have to deal with it. dealing with it however is the hard part
otherwise jenkins is great
 
Jenkins is awesome yeah. Runs on Java. Why wouldn't it be?
 
yeah, master and slave are communicating now, again, and they did yesterday and the day before but it refused today for no reason
 
ssl?
 
8:35 PM
sls?
 
Maybe, I have added the certificates
It also changed ports for the jnlp stuff but I couldn't find out if either the master wasn't accepting or the slave was blocked from sending stuff
 
Oh by teh way did you solve your JNLP error with IE?
You have to disable MIME sniffing I think
 
Why would you ever want to sniff a MIME?
 
We're talking about IE here. So......
 
@Tunaki yes, I had that figured out
 
8:41 PM
The legal clean-up is back on track \o/
 
I'm already out of del-votes
 
@KevinBrown #4 and #5 can't be deleted (need -3). They'll be roombad anyway.
 
@KevinBrown Does not seem to work: "error, can't vote to delete since the question is copyrighted"
 
I have a copyright on my delete-vote there.
 
8:56 PM
Hi, I wanted to cast a reopen vote here: stackoverflow.com/questions/35600583/… but first I would like to ask if you think this should stay closed.
 
@alain what changed?
or do you just disagree with closing in the first place?
 
@NathanOliver ^^
 
I disagree that it's too broad, and have written an answer.
 
@alain What is "compass heading"?
(sorry, not familiar with that)
 
@Tunaki where the needle on a compass is pointing.
or the angle measured from north.
 

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