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9:00 PM
@cimmanon: For reference I don't think that the target question you dupe-hammered my question is a very good description of either the problem needing solved or the solution.
 
the community disagreed with me on the "true canonical", my choice was this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/12121090/…
those old questions have tons of google juice, it would be impossible to find your question
 
user4639281
That has an even worse explanation.
 
@cimmanon the English syntax is weak with that one
"Responsively change div size keeping aspect ratio" would impress even Yoda
 
9:15 PM
o/
 
Hi Travis
 
I was thinking of addressing a concern I have been seeing with certain aspects of questions and getting them closed easier.
I figured I would come in here to get some reactions first
 
@TravisJ Plop!
 
I see a lot of questions which basically request either an actual feature to be written by a SO user, or request a tutorial to be written here.
 
Passed Java audit
 
9:17 PM
While I am sure you here easily close it as too broad, I feel like the average user isn't aware enough of the nuance to choose that reason and instead of looking for the right reason simply answer the question
Would it work to pigeonhole these types of questions in with the current close reason asking for off site tutorials and tools?
Here is an example of one, from a question asked 2 minutes ago stackoverflow.com/questions/33355790/…
"I have this situation, I need to make this outcome, but I have no clue how. Can you make it for me?" Is the essential overall question being asked.
They happen all the time.
Any thoughts?
 
@TravisJ Downvote, vtc, , comment with "too many approaches"
 
@TravisJ I don't think it would be appropriate since that reason is specifically about questions asking for off-site resources
 
Comment on the FGITW, downvote if needed
 
@Kyll - I meant with converting the close reason.
@TylerH - It is at the moment, but it wouldn't take much to change it.
 
@TravisJ I should have started with the fact I think it's a bad idea to deviate close reasons
 
9:25 PM
@Kyll - It happens rather often.
 
@TravisJ On the contrary, I have observed that it takes an act of god to get a close reason changed
 
@TravisJ It does, I do not encourage it
 
I mean that literally in the sense that "act of god" means "mood of Shog"
 
@TylerH - They change it when it makes sense and let them sit for a very long time.
Something has to be done to address these questions. We have been lacking it for 2 years now.
 
Either way, at this point in time I don't think that would be an accurate CV reason
What is wrong with simply using the accurate "Too Broad" reason?
 
9:27 PM
Nothing is wrong with using it.
However, the average user doesn't understand that is the correct reason.
Especially when the request is very narrow.
 
"understand" I don't think most users understand anything new when their question gets closed
They just get frustrated and/or leave
 
I don't particularly care about the OP's point of view. I am talking about experienced SO users who would be casting the vote.
Those are the ones who don't understand the reason properly.
If they don't follow meta, there is a good chance they are not aware as it is counter intuitive
 
So the problem is users casting CVs don't know enough
 
Yes
Or cannot infer enough from the text
 
In that case wouldn't a request to change the text of Too Broad be better than changing the text of Off-Site Resource/Tool?
 
9:29 PM
Well, perhaps not the users casting CV's
But the users who should be casting them and don't
Hm, perhaps that could be a better line to take
At least it keeps the same grouping then as well
 
Well, in my experience on any website with moderation, efforts to get people to partake in moderation duties (who don't normally partake) almost always fail
You can make it more enticing here by increasing the gamification of it
offer more rewards, make it easier to do, etc.
 
I think that there is a large set of users who would take advantage of the close reason if they understood it here. And that is currently lost opportunity.
 
@TylerH have a chatroom
 
I wonder if there is any data that could back that up
@rene chat must first stop being the red-headed stepchild of SO
 
The belief comes from the large amount of posts on meta which revolve around answering low quality questions that have been posted at a constant rate.
For reference, this is the too broad exact text
> There are either too many possible answers, or good answers would be too long for this format. Please add details to narrow the answer set or to isolate an issue that can be answered in a few paragraphs.
 
9:33 PM
I do agree that the Too Broad text should be revised
 
@rene - This is a discussion about efforts to clean up the site.
 
though I haven't given any thought as to how
 
Would welcome your opinion
 
I know
 
Perhaps I misunderstood your comment
 
9:33 PM
Yes
 
Sorry
 
as always
 
@rene Is everything OK?
 
sure
 
Your responses are just unusually short
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 2 hours to continue reviewing.
 
9:35 PM
@TylerH Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@TylerH Your last completed review session ended 7 seconds ago and lasted 41 minutes and 7 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 1 minute and 1 second.
 
I sometimes wonder if the problem isn't that we have too many close reasons
I mean, most users normally agree about the fact if a question needs to get closed
 
time to head home for me. o/
 
The problem with canned guidance is that you can only have a limited set of them and you always find a question that doesn't fit exactly
@TylerH cya
 
9:39 PM
> There are either too many possible answers, good answers would be too long or require users to either create a tool or tutorial from scratch. Please add details to narrow the answer set or to isolate an issue that can be answered in a few paragraphs.
How about including this sentence in "Too Broad"?
@TylerH o/
 
@TravisJ not sure, how is that different from Unclear with the link to How to Ask?
 
Well the bold was the only part I changed. But the unclear phrasing seemingly covers questions which are not specific. In this instance, it is possible to have a specific question which narrowly requests a feature, and that is the nuance I was hoping to address.
For example, going back to the question I linked earlier (from 26 minutes ago now) stackoverflow.com/q/33355790/1026459 it is very clear in the problem and what it needs. However, what it needs is a custom written SQL query from someone in the community.
 
How about keeping only the last sentence? And start with something like what you're trying to eat isn't bite-size
The problem with talking about answers doesn't relate to the question.
 
I mean, the problem is the bite size questions though. Here is my json in full, what I need is a javascript function to get out only the values for keys starting with "Price". For example, there is "Price/SK", "Price/PS", "Price/WS" and more. As long as it starts with Price. All I need is an object with those prices as the key and the value as the value.
A very in depth specific question. It can be accomplished using map from javascript in like 5 lines of code. I could do that in 2 minutes.
But does that mean that every question which comes along asking for someone from the community to create such a function be answered? Just because it only takes a few minutes and is minutely different from thousands of other versions asking for map?
 
OK, what I think goes wrong is that we explain the broadness of the question in terms of answers
 
9:51 PM
What wording would properly explain that we are not a job shop when it comes to asking a question which equates to "do this for me"
 
> Your question would receive too many, long answers or would require users to write all code or a tutorial. Please add details to narrow the answer set or to isolate an issue that can be answered in a few paragraphs.
> Your question is lacking a narrow or isolated issue.
 
The issue is usually narrow and isolated :( It is just that the solution is required to be created in its entirety by the community.
can we use create instead of write? Sometimes my answer is almost purely written code, but that doesn't mean the question was too broad
> Your question would receive too many long answers, would require users to create all the code, or write a tutorial. Please add details to narrow the answer set or to isolate an issue that can be answered in a few paragraphs.
 
That is better.
 
I wrote this up in a meta post but have not asked it yet, would you like to give some feedback on the post? Or since the wording is mostly yours you can post if you would like.
 
Assuming we present this text to inexperienced users they probably still go So? I want many answers and you to wrote my code
 
10:04 PM
I think that inexperienced users will do what they will do. I was hoping to help experienced users close these types of questions by making the wording more direct on the tooling.
 
@TravisJ Nah, I'm not good enough with these wording issues. I'm not a native speaker
@TravisJ so, please post it under your name
 
okay
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Q: Make it easier to close job shop "gimme teh codez" questions

Travis JWe used to have "Too Localized" which read: This question is unlikely to help any future visitors; it is only relevant to a small geographic area, a specific moment in time, or an extraordinarily narrow situation that is not generally applicable to the worldwide audience of the internet. For ...

@rene - Thanks for your feedback
I appreciate it
 
no problem
 
going to get back to other things now o/
 
\o
I'm out for the night...
 
10:40 PM
Lol come here to thank rene for getting the comments on the meta post from earlier, and rene's gone...
 
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