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12:02 PM
hmm.
starting to feel like I forgot a few reaction wheels.
ship so sluggish.
 
Xeo
I think I will improve my asparagus staging when I get home - currently, I just feed fuel from 6 outer rockets to the inner main engine, and stage the outer rockets all off at once when they're empty
 
I do mine 2 by 2 (and I have 13 rockets including main).
 
How do you distribute your reaction wheels puppy?
 
I tried 1 by 1 earlier but the instability was awful.
might try again with the mass struct.
@thecoshman Normally, 2x on each outer engine, and 1 on the center.
 
oh yeah, if you are dropping boosters, you have to do it ballanced
 
12:05 PM
but I think this time, I forgot the one on the center and only put one on each outer engine.
 
@DeadMG you'd be better keeping them central. RCS will also help a good bit too
 
@thecoshman My previous design worked out fine. I think I simply forgot to add them again to the rebuild.
 
I don't really use reaction wheels much, launch maybe
 
Xeo
@DeadMG I have 7
 
Hi
 
12:07 PM
I'm not a big fan of RCS because the fuel is limited.
but in virtually all situations reaction wheels are free to use.
minmus periapsis at 30km
that should be close enough without being too close like on Mun.
hmm.
you seem to be right that landing on Minmus is a LOT easier than landing on Mun.
not quite sure why, but I still have a whole lot left and I'm gonna hit the planet at a pretty gentle angle
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Image?
@DeadMG Make sure to not thrust too hard once you get close to the surface
 
Xeo
and change the velocity meter from "orbital" to "surface" if it hasn't already
Oh wait, you're not yet in a downwards trajectory
 
20m/s I have to pay
 
Xeo
@DeadMG fun fact: I haven't yet landed on mun
 
12:13 PM
maneuver planner says
which is what I just paid to shorten my orbit sufficiently to hit the planet.
@Xeo It's actually really fucking hard.
 
Xeo
Do a quicksave, since the ground may come unexpectedly quick
 
the gravity is high enough to smash you if you stop paying attention for a second
and even if you do, you'll likely still die several times before a successful landing.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Yeah, the gravity on Minmus is so low that you have to pay attention to not float away
 
also, Mun's gravity is high enough that you have to burn a lot of fuel if you want to go down slowly.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG My first landing actually went kinda well - I did land, but I lost my engine on impact - the landing struts were too high
 
12:16 PM
a lot of fuel.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG didn't have that feeling
 
well, Mun can accumulate gravity high enough to destroy you in about 3-4 seconds from zero.
 
Xeo
Anyways, after the semi-successful landing and consequently stranding on Mun, I decided to quickload to when the rocket was still in Kerbin orbit, and instead go to Minmus.
That went a lot better.
 
well, for me
I think I'm going to have to dump fuel, because there's no way at this rate that I'm going to finish my transfer stage before landing
and it's not designed to land.
maybe I should change that someday, just add some legs to the central strut and maybe some ladders
just in case.
I feel bad throwing away so much fuel.
 
Xeo
I think I'll either actually do a Mun landing (now that I got Minmus and solar orbit) or just head straight for Duna
 
12:19 PM
after I land on Minmus, I'll have Mun/Minmus/high solar orbit.
Duna is definitely my next target.
not going to head there in the lander though, I have a different vessel with 2 different science pods for high/low orbit.
then come back and land on it
 
Xeo
yea
How does your techtree look like, btw?
 
gimme a sec, I'm literally in the middle of landing on minmus
if you go to space center is your game paused?
 
Xeo
Don't think so
 
ah well
it says impact in 7 minutes anyway
lol I have 64mm/s horizontal speed
 
Xeo
Huh, you got quite a lot more tech unlocked than me
 
12:26 PM
show yours
 
Xeo
I'm at work
 
oyeah
damnit, I'm going to be throwing away 1900dv on my bottom section.
I really need to make that landable.
 
Xeo
You can actually land on an engine on Minmus
you just have to slow down reaaaaally good
and go at 0.2m/s or something
and of course land on a flat piece of it
 
nearly.
but then it exploded.
and took the fuel pod and engine for my top half with it.
 
Xeo
heh
I hope you quicksaved
 
12:31 PM
looks like it
I'm just gonna detach it right away this time.
the top half holds 2300DV which should be more than enough to land on minmus and get back
 
Xeo
eh, I'd still just try it :P
 
lol
no thanks, I'd rather just land on Minmus, get back, and then fix the vehicle.
 
Xeo
Man, I should have "wake on lan" at home
pff
 
shit I crashed again anyway :P
 
Xeo
lol
fail
 
12:37 PM
couldn't see the ground.
 
Xeo
22 mins ago, by Xeo
Do a quicksave, since the ground may come unexpectedly quick
:D
 
and I couldn't find the damn retrograde to kill the horizontal motion I somehow picked up again
 
Xeo
I hope you noted the height after your crash
 
it was a pitch black crater :P
 
Xeo
My Minmus landing height was somewhere around 2k
heh
tough luck
You should still see the height in the height meter, and guess from there
 
12:41 PM
landed somewhere completely different this time
lol I bounced.
 
Xeo
too much thrust?
 
nah
it's minmus.
I hit the ground at like, 2m/s.
 
Xeo
hmm, I hit it at, I think, 0.5m/s
 
anyways it's time to leave and I have 2100 dv left.
 
Xeo
just kept looooow thrust on from my 909 engine
got a surface sample, EVA and crew report?
 
12:44 PM
oshit crew report.
 
Xeo
I didn't even know about that one until yesterday :D
 
me neither until just now
 
Xeo
lol
 
takes a long time to land on minmus.
oops burned too hard.
I fell over :(
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Only if you slow down too much while still high in the "air"
@DeadMG aw
 
12:49 PM
some stuff exploded
but I don't seem to have needed it.
still got engine fuel science
oh no I lost my goo :(
whew turns out I have a quicksave just 2km from the first landing.
argh
knocked the rocket over with the kerbal
 
Xeo
haha
that sucks so bad
if you had RCS, you could potentially make it stand up again :P
 
lol
 
Xeo
(a good idea is girders on the side of the last fuel tank, with landing struts on the end of those for a very wide and stable landing gear)
 
crew report? check, eva? check, goo? check, science box? check.
time to gtfo this joint
 
Xeo
1:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol u guy
Btw, I found that repeatedly doing transmissions yields more than just getting back with the science box / goo
Very helpful for my solar orbit mission, which I didn't even imagine to come back to Kerbin anytime soon
 
supposedly, the total amount should be the same.
you pussy, I came back from solar orbit.
 
Xeo
I did too. I said that I didn't imagine it'd get back to Kerbin with only the T400 tank left
 
you can only take back one report, but you can transmit many. Overall, it is better to just transmit as much as you can whilst on a body, then leave it for ever.
 
heh
I didn't realize you could shut engines down
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Nope. I had X science, transmitted Y% of it, got that much, and was left with Z science, where Z > (X - Y%)
 
1:06 PM
well, now that I am about to safely return to Kerbin, I'll have to head to Duma.
 
@Xeo but you can transmit many times.
 
and this time, set the middle rocket to be landable.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Yes
 
and also try to figure out a more fuel efficient way to get into solar orbit
 
Xeo
It was about the total you get out of it
transmission vs just getting back
 
1:07 PM
@DeadMG ... it's not hard, you just raise the apo until you just peak our of Kerbin SoI
 
@thecoshman That's what I did before.
but the first time, I slingshotted around the Mun and got out there with virtually no fuel expended.
 
yeah, taking back yields more than transmitting once
yeah, gravity assists are more fuel efficient, but take a bit more planning to get working
 
yeah, I just don't really know how to plan them.
 
if you want to be really clever, you might be able to gravity assist of Minmus too
 
ah, the plane difference makes that a bitch.
I always find it hard to get to Minmus.
 
1:09 PM
firstly, do you want want to lower orbits or higher orbits than Kerbin
 
also, Minmus is so far out the way, you may as well just boost out of Kerbin's SoI
 
Xeo
@thecoshman "Total" means "transmit until it's worthless" and that seems to come down to more than just coming back
 
basically, you want to slingshot of Mun when it is on the side you want to go to
 
wheeee 450 science for landing on Minmus.
 
@Xeo of course it does, you can only come back with one.
 
Xeo
1:10 PM
@thecoshman sigh
I mean the same report
Like, say, Goo in high solar orbit
If you repeatedly observe and transmit 40% of that, you get more than just taking it back
 
@DeadMG plane changes are easy. get your self a VERY eccentric orbit, aiming to get the apo and peri inline with the ascending/descending node. Then do the change when you are as far as possible from the body you are orbiting
@Xeo yes... which is obvious isn't it? doing an experiment many times gets more data than just once.
@DeadMG and so small I doubt it would help much at all with gravity assisting
 
also that.
hmm
LV-T30 is too big to have the landing struts beneath it.
I'd have to power both of the central rocket pieces with LV-909.
 
@DeadMG girders
 
not much place to put em
 
Xeo
On the tank?
 
1:23 PM
they don't fit between the next gap of tanks.
and it's, er, hard to place them facing downwards, as I'd need.
 
Xeo
oh
 
it might be possible if I could describe the placement in code or something instead of with the editor.
 
Xeo
I'll show you my rocket when I get home
(tip: Don't make the outer rockets so high - or make the inner one higher)
 
the outer rockets gotta be the same height or they can't support their own weight on the platform :P
 
could always land the lander upside down :P
@DeadMG hugh?
 
1:25 PM
well
in my original design, the outermost layer of rockets was a bit lower than the others.
but I had to change it so that all of the non-center rockets were the same height.
else they would literally fall apart on the platform.
 
Xeo
huh
struts, man
 
going to say it again, start over with your rockets, make them simpler
 
besides
it's the innermost layer of rockets that's too low to permit convenient girdering.
 
Xeo
Yes, make them larger
  A
- | -
| | |
| | |
^ ^ ^
Is basically my design
 
mine as well, except the outer is two layers wide instead of one.
 
Xeo
1:29 PM
with the - being girders + struts
 
I'm about to try to fly this to Duma.
 
WTF are those wings for?
it's a fuckign rocket not a plane
 
extra lift in-atmosphere.
 
why the hell have you for more then one science box?
 
I don't actually know if they work when going straight up.
@thecoshman You can double up on low and high orbit.
also, this one is different in that the top section also could be a lander, if opportunity arises.
 
1:32 PM
@DeadMG or you can just transmit as you go
 
transmitting is for pussies.
 
have you got two reaction wheels in each booster?
 
yep.
and another two in the center.
 
total waste of mass
 
I like it.
 
1:33 PM
wasting mass?
if you need some extra control during launch, use 'winglets'
 
no, I like how responsive it feels.
 
and put them as low as possible on the rocket. Just think a second about what you are doing, adding extra drag to the top of the rocket, making it less stable
winglets will make it more responsive too
 
I'll look at cutting down if it turns out I don't have enough fuel to get to Duma and back.
until then it's done all I've asked of it.
 
phf, fool of a puppy
 
I might take a look at those science boxes, though.
I do seem to have lost 1k deltav for adding them.
 
1:38 PM
also, you should be able to manage a taller central stage, probably a central two stages and only have one ring of boosters.
 
yowch
2619dv to maneuver from here into an encounter with Duma.
let's find a more efficient spot...
hm 852dv paid to get into duma's orbit
that'll have to do I guess.
 
erm... duNa btw, not duMa
 
close enough :P
 
at first I thought it was just a typo, but you do it all the time
 
hmm
2kDV enough to land on Duma and return to Kerbin?
or maybe I should just accept my luck and just orbit Duma
 
1:52 PM
probes and transmit :P
 
pussy
 
@DeadMG Might not be
 
real Kerbals land Kerbals on foreign bodies, take the samples, and deliver them right back to Kerbin.
 
Someone pin the delta-v map
 
@CatPlusPlus I escaped from Kerbol's orbit with just 8dkv so
 
¬_¬ was just about to post that one, I like it more
hang on...
pin that one instead?
 
It's the same one
Unless you mean link description, then repin vOv
 
I only got 1700dv left so I think not
that's fine by me anyway.
argh fuck, I really need to learn not to click on the highest timewarp by accident and warp right past the place I want to be.
 
2:06 PM
MechJeb has a warp helper
 
hmm, I picked Flight Engineer.
might go for MechJeb if the difference between 0.22 and 0.21 won't be a problem.
also stupid flight engineer keeps on glitching or something and not showing me ship's stats whilst being built.
and it lags terrible.
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah, link descriptions are nice
 
@thecoshman It's in the file name
@DeadMG MechJeb works with 0.22 fine
 
@CatPlusPlus too much cruft vOv
So erm... under the pretence of being a 'proper' 'valid' room... what language do I use to make a KSP mod?
 
C#
It's a Unity game
Well, plugins
Parts are described in some DSL
 
2:16 PM
> pretence
 
What kind of mod @thecoshman?
 
generally, when it comes to mods, do you guys prefer really big mods that adds loads of features or to have small mods that add one thing and one thing well. For example, a mod that provides radar height.
@kbok vOv
just aware that talking about a game really is off topic for SO chat, at least talking about mods and thus programming means we are sort of on topic.
 
@thecoshman Probably small, more focused ones
 
@CatPlusPlus my thoughts too...
 
We can make a room at gaming.se
But w/e
 
2:19 PM
balls to that :P
 
Fuck them
 
@thecoshman well depends. do you consider a part pack that adds over 200 parts "loads of features" or "one feature done right"
 
Use common sense or something
 
@thecoshman I think mods should be specialized, you could still install modpacks
 
I don't even think there are many modpacks for KSP
 
2:29 PM
How's the kerballing going? Any big achievements since last night, @DeadMG?
 
@jalf Landed on Mun and Minmus, and returned from high solar orbit.
 
neat
 
I did Ike and Duna science stuff from my launch
 
but
 
Oooh, I haven't been to either of those
 
2:36 PM
I think I'm nearly ready to rule my current rocket design a failure.
too heavy.
 
Straight-up launch :getin:
My current rocket has 10k vacuum delta-V
 
@DeadMG my latest launch was with a ridiculously heavy rocket. Asparagus staging with 6 of the wide fuel tanks
 
Mine is similar
 
@jalf Currently, I've got 12 2x FL-800-fueled VL-T30s in asparagus staging.
 
I think 7 2x stacks of Rockomax X200-32 with Poodle engines
Lifting off a smaller rocket with some FL-T800 with a nuclear engine
 
2:40 PM
@CatPlusPlus Ah yeah, I'm using the same layout in terms of fuel tanks, but with Skipper engines
 
I don't remember the engines exactly
I'll check when I get home
 
The stage after that is a Poodle, I think, on an X200-8 tank, and final stage is a single ion drive, but I haven't activated that stage yet, so not quite sure how useless that is going to be :p
 
Nuclear rockets forever
 
Gonna require a lot of patience to use that, at least
 
Ion drives are good for really light stuff
I think
 
2:43 PM
@CatPlusPlus yeah, but they're heavy, and ion still has vastly higher ISP. I wanted to make sure I could get to Eve and back, so decided to go for max efficiency
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, really lousy thrust,but they're lightweight, and have crazy efficiency
 
I'm gonna try doing a space station soon
Need to unlock MechJeb's rendezvous/docking guidance first, because hell if I'm ever gonna manage that manually
 
also for some reason I haven't figured out yet, this design starts spinning madly when it reaches around 12km altitude. The first couple of launches, fuel tanks started falling off at that point. Only barely held everything together in this launch
 
Ditching the engines generates spin
 
yeah, but usually you can compensate for that and gradually cancel out the spin again
with this, once it started spinning it just kept going faster and faster :p
 
Thing's extremely heavy and pretty much uncontrollable before ditching everything
 
2:46 PM
@jalf Did you happen to detach a stage at that point?
 
That's why I said "fuck gravity turn" and just launched straight up all the way
 
@DeadMG Yeah, that's definitely what started the spin
 
It'll spin, but SAS will keep it going forward
 
@jalf Some arrangements of fuel lines drain more from one side than the other.
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah, until you reach a fast enough spin that the remaining tanks and engines start falling off :p
@CatPlusPlus I got an excellent gravity assist from mun out of the system
 
2:47 PM
I haven't been able to figure out exactly what causes it, but you can definitely notice if you watch the fuel levels when the time comes to detach a stage.
 
I'm starting to get the hang of those
 
you'll see that one tank is a bit above the other
 
@jalf Mine was okay
 
so one engine is firing but the other is not
 
@DeadMG It's a force generated by the decoupler
 
2:48 PM
@DeadMG didn't look like that was an issue on mine
and again, that might account for the initial spin, but not why it kept accelerating the spin once started
 
@CatPlusPlus That's a completely different cause.
 
You push the tank away, and it pushes you back
 
I'm talking about an arrangement such that one tank empties before the other.
the spin as a result can start before you even decouple.
 
That's mass imbalance
Also how do you do that
 
no, it's definitely a (bug? situation?) with the fuel ducts.
I had a design that kept having it, and I re-wired the fuel ducts and then the problem was solved.
 
2:50 PM
Remember that ducts are one-way
 
yep, I'm not that dumb
 
btw cat, if you're going to start experimenting with space stations, be careful about leaving things docked together. Last time I docked two ships together and quit the game, as soon as I resumed, they immeditely crashed together and one of them was basically completely destroyed. (That was in 0.21 though, so they may have fixed it)
 
Well I'm gonna try modular design, so no way to not leave things docked together :p
Also I had rocket spontaneously explode for no reason after reverting to launch yesterday
I HAVE VIDEO
 
might be worth testing it with a couple of prototype modules first then :)
@CatPlusPlus haha
 
2:57 PM
2
 
@jalf small stations shouldn't have such a problem
 
@thecoshman the ships I tried it with were both very small though (a single large fuel tank on each and not much else)
 
@jalf vOv Kraken
@CatPlusPlus starred to maby watch later
I think recording would be easier for me than streaming
@DeadMG they should drain perfectly evenly
 
@thecoshman But they don't always.
 
3:19 PM
@DeadMG vOv never had problems myself
 
Xeo
same
 
well, I don't quite understand why it occurs myself.
just that it's some problem with an arrangement of the fuel lines (which is not about getting them the wrong way around)
 
Xeo
Did you cross the streams lines?
 
no.
 
are you starting all the engines together?
 
3:22 PM
yep.
 
are all the tanks symmetrical
 
all I had to do to fix the problem was wire the fuel lines flatter.
 
were they not going from tanks at the same height?
 
nope, I just kinda chucked them on before.
 
oh, you should probably use the symmetry thing to stick them on :p
 
3:29 PM
I don't use symmetry for fuel ducts
Not for asparagus at least
 
 1  1                                                  1-2
  \ /                                                      \
1-0-1    all going into the centre or in a ring like   3-4-3
  / \                                                  \
 1   1                                                  2-1
ergh...
 
You suck
@thecoshman It's 50 seconds you lazy bum
 
close enough
out of time now
@CatPlusPlus at work though :S
 
@thecoshman I used the ring.
 
¬_¬ I should have not attempted the ascii art for it
@DeadMG that should be ok...
 
Xeo
3:56 PM
@thecoshman I used the first one for my solar orbit rocket
(didn't read up on Asparagus staging beforehand)
 
woo solar panels
 
lol
 
man, my fan is making a LOT of noise
like a blender :/
 
 
2 hours later…
5:45 PM
well I'm off to bed
good night ladies
 
Xeo
6:00 PM
Wow, an almost humane time?
 
6:23 PM
Dat reference in the description
 
6:45 PM
Launchin' probe into Moho
 
6:59 PM
Guys, which mods are must-haves?
 

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