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12:05 AM
I need set system/options/module-paths at startup. Tried do this in rebol.r placed in same dir of r3 executable, but seems not working. Any help?
PS: Happy Easter!
 
@giuliolunati You mean user.r ?
(there is no convention for a rebol.r)
 
@hostilefork Mmm... I read [this](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16783021/what-configuration-files-are-there-for-rebol-r3-and-how-are-they-loaded)
Also seen code - no mention of user.r...
 
News to me, I always heard it as user.r
I don't have one myself
@giuliolunati Here's where it is supposed to be run: sys-start.r line 117
It mentions CC #706
> The file %rebol.r should be loaded from the directory of system/options/boot if it exists there, nowhere else. It should not be loaded from the current directory - that would be a security hole. Keep %rebol.r where it can be secured from write access by evil people.
>> probe system/options/boot
 
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%/users/try-REBOL/program/r3
== %/users/try-REBOL/program/r3
 
>> clean-path system/options/boot
 
12:14 AM
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== %/users/try-REBOL/program/r3
 
I got %r3 on my phone
 
>> file: first split-path system/options/boot
 
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== %/users/try-REBOL/program/
 
So, where I must put rebol.r?
 
I put it in the directory alongside r3 and put in print "Hi there" and it prints.
...
**                                                                      **
**************************************************************************

SECURE is disabled
Script: none Version: none Date: none
Hi there

Important notes:
...
 
12:16 AM
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We're here to talk about Rebol and Red, which are two rather interesting languages. We have some bots to help teach it if you have a moment to hear about it.
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@giuliolunati Have you tried doing which r3 or whatever from the shell, to make sure you're running the one you think you are...and a simple test like the print "Hi there"?
 
Found. In my android build rebol.r must be in current directory. I think that's a bug
 
@giuliolunati Sounds like that's something they wanted to avoid
 
12:23 AM
@giuliolunati which android build? There are two
 
@GrahamChiu His build. :-) NDK
Curiously, this year Easter falls on Hitler's birthday.
 
@giuliolunati so does this also happen with r3/droid build?
 
@grahamchiu r3/droid has system/boot = none, so I dunno where put rebol.r
my ndk build has system/boot = %r3
 
>> append [n o p] q
 
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12:36 AM
@giuliolunati I am curious about your opinion as a new user. Do you believe that shorthands for things such as Q for QUIT are best done with some kind of configuration that is not on by default, but you turn on? I think that having the interpreter suddenly exit in cases like the above are not good, and I don't think Q should have meaning in scripts.
This is a point of contention between me and those who are very used to console abbreviations and do not want to have to "do any work" or flip any switches to get those abbreviations to work.
 
wasn't the last result of this discussion to put this into a config file such as user.r
 
I think we should make it easy to set up such things; turnkey, and even more abbreviated and powerful than people have imagined. Rebmu-ish even.
 
so if you want ls, cd q etc .. put them into user.r
 
Well I think you should be able to just write some sort of command and it asks you for appropriate configuration and adds it for you. Make it easy. Just don't make it on by default.
cli-shortcuts/install or something
 
>> etc
 
12:38 AM
vs. cli-shortcuts
 
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; rebol.com/r3/docs/errors/script-no-value.html
    *** ERROR
** Script error: etc has no value
** Where:
** Near: try load/all join %/users/try-REBOL/data/ system/script/args...
 
>> t
 
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; rebol.com/r3/docs/errors/access-cannot-open.html
    *** ERROR
** Access error: cannot open: %test.r reason: -3
** Where: read either read-decode case load -apply- do t
** Near: read source if find system/options/file-types type [data: de...
 
>> source t
 
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t: make function! [[][do %test.r]]
 
12:38 AM
@HostileFork q is handy but not literate, best in config.
 
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; rebol.com/r3/docs/errors/access-cannot-open.html
    *** ERROR
** Access error: cannot open: %test.r reason: -3
** Where: read either read-decode case load -apply- do t
** Near: read source if find system/options/file-types type [data: de...
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t: make function! [[][do %test.r]]
 
@giuliolunati Good. :-) If we can just get everyone to agree on these things... and make a turnkey solution that gets the experts what they want but protects the new user experience, I think we can have a win-win
 
should change that to t: does [ do %test.reb ]
 
@GrahamChiu source always gives you the make function! syntax; the generator you used is lost
>> source collect
 
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collect: make function! [[
    {Evaluates a block, storing values via KEEP function, and returns block of collected values.}
    body [block!] "Block to evaluate"
    /into {Insert into a buffer instead (returns position after insert)}
    output [series!] "The buffer series (modified)"
][
    unless output [output: make block! 16]
    do func [keep] body func [value [any-type!] /only] [
        output: apply :insert [output :value none none only]
 
12:41 AM
BUT config file don't work for me! :-(
 
@HostileFork I was talking about the extension being changed from %.r to %.reb :)
 
@GrahamChiu Oh, missed that. You were making a joke. I see. Graham humor often slips by me. :-)
 
Anyone knows where/when directory for rebol.r is set?
 
@giuliolunati I pointed to the source in sys-start.r line 117
It does a clean path of the boot location, and then split-paths it
@giuliolunati What do you get from split-path clean-path system/options/boot
>> split-path clean-path system/options/boot
 
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== [%/users/try-REBOL/program/ %r3]
 
12:45 AM
but for me boot location is %r3 so I need know where system/boot is set...
 
@giuliolunati Yes but what do you get if you type split-path clean-path system/options/boot ?
You always get %r3 no matter what directory you run from?
 
[current-dir %r3]
 
So if the executable is %/some/other/place/r3 and run from the path, you still get that?
 
Seems location of executable not matters, only current dir.
 
The object is stubbed out in sysobj.r
 
12:52 AM
@HostileFork thx!
 
@giuliolunati Here's where you want to look: b-init.c line 794
	if (rargs->exe_path) {
		ser = To_REBOL_Path(rargs->exe_path, 0, OS_WIDE, 0);
		val = Get_System(SYS_OPTIONS, OPTIONS_BOOT);
		Set_Series(REB_FILE, val, ser);
	}
That's the C code that fills in the stubbed structure.
So you've got to look at how the NDK version makes that rargs->exe_path
You're not getting a full path ATM apparently
 
@HostileFork yes, you have pointed precisely my problem! Thx again.
 
Glad to be useful, if and when I can. :-)
 
1:49 AM
anyone got suggestions for an icon set to use with the Rebol editor? needs: [ new open save save-as prettify quit run help ]
 
posted on April 19, 2014 by qtxie

TESTS: Add tests for SHIFT native!

 
@GrahamChiu Not fancy, but I've used silk icons for some projects that are trying to look more or less generic.
 
tiny ! downloading to see what they look like
Hmm. The new icon is a box with the word 'new' in it!
If 'e is not taken, I'd like to use it for 'editor :)
 
@GrahamChiu Sorry, Rebmu has reserved that for EITHER
 
ok, I can use eo
 
2:01 AM
No, that's EITHER/ONLY
 
or er
 
ED is fine
 
edline ?
 
But then we'll need VG for Viagra.
 
what is 'v being used for?
 
2:03 AM
Shipping a built-in minimal editor with R3-GUI may seem sensible, but then again, most people are very particular about their editors and already have one.
It would seem that "edit %foo.txt" or whatever should defer to a shell to invoke the editor the person prefers, and be set up to do so.
 
7k so far
the rebol editor can edit and save to the clipboard, files and urls
 
Having a fallback like "you do not have an editor configured, use the Rebol default editor?" (just once, always, specify override...)
That might be pretty slick, but I think the reality of the situation is, that people are going to want to use something else 99% of the time.
 
I'm using notepad++ .. don't see an option to load in a url
or edit the clipboard
or, an option to edit a file on a ftp server
 
Can you save your file on an SFTP server? (I don't see FTP servers anymore)
 
@HostileFork I haven't implemented sftp. Is that ftp over SSH ?
 
2:08 AM
In computing, the SSH File Transfer Protocol (also Secure File Transfer Protocol, or SFTP) is a network protocol that provides file access, file transfer, and file management functionalities over any reliable data stream. It was designed by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) as an extension of the Secure Shell protocol (SSH) version 2.0 to provide secure file transfer capability, but is also intended to be usable with other protocols. The IETF Internet Draft states that even though this protocol is described in the context of the SSH-2 protocol, it could be used in a number of diff...
It's a bit more complex I think.
 
anyway, don't have it.
Could do a http PUT though
or https PUT
 
Well it's an interesting point, to have a network enabled and clipboard enabled editor
So if you edit the clipboard you save to the clipboard? :-/ What happens if you copy paste while you're working?
 
@HostileFork won't affect what's in the editor
 
I actually hate clipboards as floating invisible information, myself. I like "mark for copy/move" and "move" and "paste a copy". Move preserving any identity of UUID-based elements, and Paste a copy creating new IDs/cloning
 
Also I've altered it to save copies to dropbox so I get 30 day free versioning of any file I edit.
 
2:13 AM
So in my world "Ctrl-X" just ghosts or strikes-out what you've selected until you "Ctrl-V" it somewhere.
The second Ctrl-V if done without another Ctrl-X pastes a copy
No invisible state, works well in transacted systems
 
Only use this editor for testing code snippets.
So, there's no Find yet, and no search and replace
In fact it's a glorified text-area
Could even make it edit files on Amazon S3
err... actually I already have a program that does that :)
The main reason I use the r3 editor is that it indents correctly for me.
 
GitHub's insistence that tabs are always 8 spaces is clearly social engineering designed to try and make it so people stop using tabs.
I think I have generally decided that tabs are bad.
 
which reminds me .. what is stopping github correctly colourising rebol files?
 
Isn't it done with Pygments? I don't think GitHub has much to do with it.
The only part that's them is the classification and the decision of which colorizer to use
If the decision is correct, but the output is bad, it's not them
 
2:28 AM
I was under the impression @earl had submitted some fixes to Pygments
 
@GrahamChiu Then it may be a case of them not having integrated those changes. It would be nice on sites that use libraries like that to be able to query them. Or maybe Pygments could have an easter egg where if you enter a magic sequence in your source it outputs the version when it colorizes...
 
2:51 AM
@rebolek it would be good if we could edit a field in a text-table by just clicking on it if it's already hilited, or double clicking on a cell. Having to switch to using "e" to edit a field is not natural.
In a way it's like in windows in the explorer, if you have a highlite already on a file name, a single click allows you to start editing the name.
 
3:06 AM
Now actively just trying to confuse people:
0
A: How to make this hand-colored drawing even more fancier?

HostileForkMy thoughts: Don't scrap the coloring outside the lines, I think that's important otherwise it looks chopped out of context. But I'd lose some of the random marks that exist only outside the brain. Color is important; think about splitting it into color groups and using Hue/Saturation/Value ad...

 
@HostileFork was that intentional? My brilliant brian thesis?
 
@GrahamChiu Yep.
Turnabout is fair play, public record!
 
oh yeah, you're the intentional guy .. forgot
 
So the vice principal of the school who arranged the trip for those Korean kids was saved, and then hung himself. Survivor Guilt
Um...why him and not the captain? :-/
 
@HostileFork Probably never get another job again.
 
3:19 AM
Koreans sound pretty mad. They hit the prime minister with a water bottle.
You can't really do that here, disaster or no.
It's hard to tell if there are more disasters in the world now than there used to be, or just that news travels faster, so you are always aware of the disasters...even if they are non-local.
 
updated my loginso.reb script to allow editing of the email/password fields
now to make a non-gui script that does the same thing
@HostileFork planes and ships get bigger .. more people die.
 
We need packet-based transportation.
To me software is the same thing... people think it's very important to get from point A to point B as fast as possible, they will do it even if the methods aren't completely sound.
I remember riding in cabs in Mexico City and there are like, no seat belts, and they drive crazily... and I thought "wow. you really take your life into your own hands. for no... apparent... good reason."
@GrahamChiu so nice you're automating the client, but given that you stay logged in, if you just kick over into Chrome and copy the cookie after logging in... is there a working solution today?
 
3:36 AM
@HostileFork eh? This work is to allow rebolbot to update her cookies
 
@GrahamChiu Oh, I thought it was for your chat client. Well good to get the bot cookies fixed. Carry on then. :-)
 
yeah .. I think @johnk is using a perl script or something to grab the cookies
But I thought I'd first write it as a generalised version for any html web form that doesn't have JS variables
 
 
2 hours later…
5:15 AM
@johnk here's the console script to login to stackoverflow chat that we can use for rebolbot
We don't need all the cookies, and can parse out the ones we need.
 
Thanks Graham :)
 
Untested because I don't recall what rebolbot's credentials were!
 
 
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7:48 AM
@GrahamChiu Yes, that should be possible, I add it.
 
@rebolek thanks. Do you have your own repo for these these, or do you commit back to Saphir's repo?
 
@GrahamChiu to Saphir's
 
 
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10:39 AM
view/modal [ field ]
@rebolek how do I set focus on the field for data entry?
 
 
1 hour later…
11:48 AM
view/modal [ f: field "" when [load] on-action [focus f]] doesn't work
 
 
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1:52 PM
In my builds [Linux-ARM Linux-x86] system/options/boot is set as %r3, so config file rebol.r is searched in current dir, not in same dir of r3 executable. This seems a bug, that make rebol.r unusable. Anyone can confirm?
 
2:03 PM
... and what happens in other OS'es?
 
 
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4:18 PM
@giuliolunati Seems to work on others with full path so presumably it is a sandboxing issue of some kind enforced by NDK... Any luck looking at the code I pointed to?
 
5:12 PM
@giuliolunati Yes, that's a bug. Basically, proper setting of system/options/boot and .../home is not implemented on any platform. (It works on Win32 in the majority of cases, but only as a side-effect.)
@giuliolunati As a work-around, if you start R3 with an absolute path, system/options/boot should be set to the full absolute path and correspondingly, rebol.r should be loaded from the directory containing the R3 binary.
@giuliolunati To carry this work-around further, you can add a minimal wrapper script somewhere earlier in your path that just launches the main R3 binary with an absolute path.
Let's assume you have the R3 binary in /usr/local/bin/rebol3, and you have $HOME/bin earlier in your search path than /usr/local/bin. Create a $HOME/bin/rebol3 with the following contents:
#!/bin/bash
exec /usr/local/bin/rebol3 $*
chmod +x it, and put your rebol.r in /usr/local/bin. That should then work as expected.
 
5:28 PM
@GrahamChiu Right. Those are already merged into Pygments and are live on Github as well. Which is why e.g. rebolbot.r3 is highlighted correctly, which was formerly broken.
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The remaining missing part, is to improve disambiguation between R and Rebol (currently Rebol code is still often classified as R) and add support for the new .reb suffix. There's already a pull request to that effect pending, prepared and submitted by @draegtun. So I'm positive we'll see all of that working out eventually.
 
6:20 PM
@earl ok, is good enough for me. However seems a security hole, because one can use a rebol.r in everywhere dir. There exists a ticket, or we must open one?
@HostileFork yes, system/options/boot is set after argv[0]. In Linux it's not a full path.
@HostileFork Note: android cli build is not NDK, but Linux-ARM.
 
@giuliolunati I think we should reopen the existing ticket.
@giuliolunati My Android CLI builds (also available via rebolsource.net) are built using the NDK.
 
@earl also my first build was NDK. What is your OS_ID? Mine is 0.4.21
 
@giuliolunati Yes, 4.21.
 
6:39 PM
@earl hmmm... 4.21 in systems.r is described as Linux-ARM, while android-arm is 13.01 ... I need more understanding
 
@giuliolunati 4.21 is for Android CLI builds (as proposed by you). 13.01 is for full Android app builds (such as Saphirion's R3/Droid).
 
posted on April 20, 2014 by abolka

[Comment] A simple client/server example using the proposed UDP support: ;; ------------------------------------------------- ;; Server: wait read p: open udp://:1189 print to-string p/data ;; ------------------------------------------------- ;; Client: write open udp://127.0.0.1:1189 {foo}

posted on April 20, 2014 by giuliolunati

[Comment] Bug affects also linux-x86 and linux-arm Real path of executable can be obtained via realpath() (linux+glibc)

 
 
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posted on April 20, 2014 by earl

This change implements UDP support. It was written by Shixin Zeng of Atronix (original version: zsx/r3@95a057a), this pull request is Shixin's code rebased onto master for easy merging. This realises CureCode wish #1803.

posted on April 20, 2014 by abolka

[Comment] Submitted szeng's implementation as a pull request: https://github.com/rebol/rebol/pull/218

 
8:55 PM
@earl Looking great. Now if set-words are purple, should state/error: be purple as well? github.com/gchiu/Rebol3/blob/master/protocols/prot-http.r3#L576
 
@GrahamChiu Yep. Would need further Pygments fixes/improvements :)
 
@earl so whom to place the issue with?
@earl is there an experimental build now with UDP support?
 
@GrahamChiu You could report an issue against Pygments: bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/pygments-main
@GrahamChiu Would you need one?
 
@earl Don't need, just want to play :)
 
@GrahamChiu Could also directly talk to Oldes, who's the main author of the Rebol lexer :)
 
9:05 PM
@earl might be easier since there are too many forms fields to fill in!
 
@GrahamChiu For playing, the Atronix builds should have UDP already. But if you want another build, just tell me what :)
 
@earl Interesting. So, what's the main differences between the Atronix and Saphir forks?
 
@GrahamChiu View for Linux, at the moment.
 
Atronix has it and Saphir does not?
 
@GrahamChiu Right. (For the public versions, at least.)
UDP as well, but I'm not sure if that's to be considered a "main" difference :)
 
9:09 PM
Is there any reason why we don't just adopt either Saphir or Atronix as community builds so we don't have merge back all the 1000s of changes?
 
@GrahamChiu Not sure what such an "adoption" would entail. But so far, mainline as common ground for integration has served us well (my opinion only, of course).
 
it would get us https in the community build as well as gui
Did the sha256 code ever make it into any of the public builds?
 
@GrahamChiu Did anyone ever submit it anywhere?
(I don't think it/anyone did.)
Do you have a pointer handy?
 
@earl As a PR? Or just published it?
MarcS published the code in March 2013
Hmm https://github.com/0branch/r3/commits/sha2-experimental is now 404
 
@earl Is the Saphirion codebase #ifdef'd to produce core-only builds of comparable size to the rebolsource builds?
 
9:20 PM
@HostileFork Btw, no need to do write a new lit-word-decay PR: github.com/rebol/rebol/pull/184
 
It seems taking changes back should focus really on critiquing the diffs in the core build, then. No real reason to be picky about taking the GUI stuff as it has no competition.
@earl Hm, how'd I miss that one?
 
@HostileFork Just forgot about it.
 
Brain errors abounding.
 
It would be a pity if the sha 256 stuff is lost ... since it's needed for any AWS work these days
 
I thought a blackhighlighter client in R3 GUI might be an interesting thing to try. Would need sha256.
 
9:23 PM
Should be easy to (re)do in any case.
 
@earl is there a way to patch protocols in use?
 
@GrahamChiu Meaning?
Using a patched prot-http?
 
eg changing the function of sync-op
Just thinking of golf code where loading a new prot-http would not be good, so would have to patch the existing one.
 
I think the original module design intends to preclude that. Maybe there is a very round-about way nevertheless, but I don't know.
 
9:45 PM
@HostileFork what's your opinion on this old piece michael.richter.name/blogs/…
@Henrik do you know the answer to my focus question?
Perhaps I need to make it a SO question!
 
@GrahamChiu I think every system has its downsides. I think it is a bad idea to put all one's eggs in one basket and give any centralized system too much power. I would like to see increased decentralization and a true "exchange"...some kind of P2P system instead of overinvestment in somethingsomething dot coms of any kind.
 
@HostileFork which worries me we rely too much on SO
 
As I've pointed out though, the data is dumped and kept by the internet archive. blog.stackoverflow.com/2014/01/…
 
@HostileFork Not so much the data, but that the SO controls how we interact with potential users.
So, I noticed one guy who asked a Rebol question. He got his points over 20 so could chat, but then was downvoted so he's now below 20!
 
@GrahamChiu Well, that's the way it works, and like I said, it may not be ideal but the spam is under reasonable control here.
One must take some bad with the good. I just prefer it if people comment to say why they're downvoting something.
 
9:57 PM
So, in the end you go around upvoting people just so that they can talk
 
In fact, the first downvoter should have to leave a comment why, and subsequent commenters should probably have to indicate the comment they're agreeing with or leave a new one for their different reason for downvoting.
 
So, have a look at this guy stackoverflow.com/users/1301992/dnmurphy
I have no idea why his python answer was downvoted
 
@GrahamChiu Because the poster's name is brian. Though more likely, it's because it doesn't really seem to answer the question... just provide more details about the problem in what should probably be a comment.
So people who want the answers to be stacked in a certain order will take non-answers and down-vote them to make the list more representative of their vision of which should be first and which last.
His is a tough case, his Rebol one is the most concrete, was willing to upvote it (though I had to fix it up some). Don't want to upvote the others just because he got downvoted.
 
I suspect you have to be a bit OCD here then
 
He could get 2 points just by making a suggested edit to a question and have it accepted. The bar isn't super high. He isn't getting slammed or anything.
It's when people are totally mean to new users and seem to want to scare them off that I get really angry.
 
10:08 PM
New users don't know the rules ...
 
I got in that argument with the 100K+ user from C++ who was needlessly mean to some ESL kid trying to solve a project euler problem, 1 rep, first question...and it was just uncalled for.
 
Being down voted for making a comment an answer seems over the top.
 
I've often said that the thing that bothers me is not what people will do to each other in desperate situations. Like the sinking ferry, or if people are trapped in a situation where there's only one ration of food and one person will die vs the other and they fight over it. I find it annoying, but it's not my core problem with people...
My problem is what people who are not up against the wall do.
 
That downvote means the guy is muted in chat.
I believe Kaj got driven away for similar reasons
 
@GrahamChiu It says the downvote happened in 2012. :-/ stackoverflow.com/users/1301992/dnmurphy?tab=reputation
 
10:13 PM
@GrahamChiu I don't think so.
 
@earl Didn't he provide some answer which was just a url or something which got downvoted?
@HostileFork Ok :) I might have misrepresented things a bit!
 
@DNMurphy Hey! We were just discussing getting your rep to the chat point. :-)
And I see that has happened.
 
@DNMurphy and you're there now!
 
@DNMurphy Your rep is at 24 on StackOverflow but the chat servers are like, on some other machine, and you can wind up waiting some number of minutes before the reputation propagates to authorize you as having 20 points and not-being-spam.
 
Yeah .. I only upvoted his question not that long ago
Normally takes over 30 mins .. several hours
 
10:20 PM
@DNMurphy In the meantime, you can... um... check out the Rebol Bookmarks Trello, a work in progress
Not several hours
But it has taken 30 minutes before
 
@HostileFork Pretty sure it has taken that long before.
 
Well it's kind of silly but at the same time reputation for everyone changes potentially every second, so they either have to transfer the full reputation log across their network or come up with some realtime feed where the chat servers get the deltas as they happen. I'm sure they just did the easy thing and made a periodic running process that dumps the state of the rep for all users.
And figured that the case of a person crossing the barrier and then jumping to chat right then is rare.
 
@HostileFork I see you have a few to-dos on trello.com/b/CcQ4Jdsx/rebol-community-development
 
You don't want to see the rest of my Trellos where I'm the only to-do'er
The Reblis idea isn't a bad one, I should rescrape that and at least do a quick demo of it
Although a redis:// scheme is more "the right way", it just struck me as interesting how much of their C code could be gutted and use the interpreter core from Rebol
I thought the Tiny Rebol viral ad would have been fun to do while at Recode, but kids today don't know the Nicolas Cage SNL Tiny Elvis sketch.
Arrrchived.
Rubol update, hm, I looked over it the other day. It's not a terrible idea. I could simplify the implementation quite a lot now that I know more.
That would take a day or so
Rebol3 Red port... well people aren't exactly untying my hands on that one.
 
Added a couple of doing cards to Trello community
 
10:29 PM
Indexing compromise must be in Rebol3 before that will fly, for absolute starters.
Doc saw me turning foo/-1 to first-back foo or what-not, and for whatever reason in his priority scheme that was not going to fly w/him. Too ugly, adds a function call, etc.
He won't accept R3 patches if they involve such changes.
That we don't have Red running in Rebol3 today is certainly not the result of my slack.
I spent nearly a month on that, I think. I'll have to get out the chat logs to see exactly how long.
It didn't wind up being a completely pointless exercise...bugs fixed, issues raised. Due to that time invested I can speak in a relatively informed fashion about how Red is written. But I still think we'd be in a better position to just go ahead and finish that port.
 
I see Chris Travers is porting postgresql driver to Rebol 3
Wonder how that is going ...
 
SL4A doc, hmmm. Is @giuliolunati still experimenting with SL4A? I think the real point of that is if it's possible to show it doing something useful.
 
@HostileFork Yes, he said he was back on it recently.
 
Show it doing something useful, then people will care enough to want to know what a network scheme is, how it works.
 
@HostileFork well, I don't really know what sl4a is good for ... .it was just a demo
 
10:40 PM
I don't know either, but Giulio appears to know more Android than we do.
 
@HostileFork I think that's the point, you need to know about Android to use it.
I should probably fix it if he intends to use.
 
Well if it's a good way of automating certain Android services from an R3-GUI Android app it may be useful.
 
But my current focus is the rebol editor
which I guess should be a module
 
I brought up the GitHub issue migration with Carl. I think that is important. I'm sure CureCode was ahead of its time, but that time was a while ago. Now it's just painful to use and read.
Doc doesn't even use it, and updating it is pretty low on his list.
 
@HostileFork painful to read on a phone sized device
 
10:45 PM
@GrahamChiu Installed the GitHub app?
 
@HostileFork for Curecode?
 
@HostileFork nope.
there's one for IOS?
 
@HostileFork Time to write the Github importer, then :) We don't need Carl for the migration.
 
@GrahamChiu There's GitHub issues for iOS, I don't know what feature set it has
 
10:48 PM
These days, I'm regularly thinking if we shouldn't move forward to Jira (again) instead of Github. But that'd need an importer as well.
 
@earl And who would host it?
 
@earl I used Jira on a contracting job (as well as Gerrit) and neither really struck me as good tools for the scale of the project.
 
Again, because @GrahamChiu and I set up and played with a Jira for R3 ages ago.
 
@earl Needs significant resources to host it.
 
@GrahamChiu I could, that's no biggie.
 
10:51 PM
My instance is still around .. but due to power outages I finally left it turned off.
 
Could have a check if we can upgrade the open source license to a current version.
 
@earl can't see why not.
 
A project that maxes out at 10 pull requests a day needs a different working model from one that has 100. Rebol3's scale is not going to be big enough to need Jira/Gerrit any time soon. I think GitHub scale works up to a point unlikely to be unmanageable for several years at least.
 
@HostileFork I think R3's scale would fit Jira quite well. In fact, the scale is my main envisioned painpoint with Github issues.
 
The expedience of a hosted and known solution saves admin overhead and training. Most people already have a GitHub account.
 
10:53 PM
@HostileFork which is why I let my jira instance die .. no time to keep the server up
 
@HostileFork The Github account would be enough with Jira as well. Hosted is also available.
 
can you add gitorius ?
 
You can. :-)
I looked into setting up gitorious
Qt uses it
But ended up using "gitosis" because it was way simpler.
And now I just don't really feel like running anything like that and want all my private repositories to become public.
 
@HostileFork probably a good reason to use jira since it looks like the exponential rise in github will overwhelm them soon.
 
10:59 PM
We have 2000+ issues in CureCode at the moment. At least 800 of them are open.
 
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