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8:00 PM
Volcano exploding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUREX8aFbMs
Crazy the sound it makes, sounds like a gun shot
 
ya, saw that yesterday
> Dang Nature, you scary
 
ahh @Basj next step is to write code other people can stand to read :P
organization and comments go a long way
 
@rlemon I know... I'll do a break of new feature during a few days and just cleaning, cleaning...
can I ask a last thing ? Just go to bigpicture.bi/mf7g54, click on 'save' and now in the javascript console, try to run $('#savedurl').focus(); : it doesn't work, the focus doesn't come :(
 
it would be much easier to help you if the code was easier to look through
 
8:06 PM
@rlemon i know... but as autodidact (not 100% auto, because you guys have helped me a lot) I don't have the good habits of someone having had courses... But I'll definetely clean my code
 
ahaha I wasn't meaning that your code is terrible. it is just messy right now
you could improve on organization a bit, then helping you would be easier for us
(and easier for you to debug)
@JonathanSampson get my ping earlier?
 
@rlemon i'll do this, but I don't even know what has to be inside onload(), what hasn't, etc.
 
any roadmap for <template> coming to IE?
 
@rlemon Duly noted. It's something we're seriously looking into. Watch status.modern.ie/templateelement?term=template for status changes.
@rlemon I did. Sorry for the late response.
 
@CodeWarrior likely to get more help there for Angular
 
8:08 PM
K Thanks
 
@JonathanSampson ahh no worries. I don't goto main site, so I miss pings all the time
just doing my follow up :P
@CSᵠ YEA
WHAT NOW HUH?!?!?!
 
lol bro
 
#win
 
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
bot bro hkajlkshakshlas;askj
cracking up
dude bro @rlemon
 
zirak has the code, I'm waiting for him
 
8:15 PM
Why did Windows skip Windows 9??
 
because 7 8 9
 
what is the bot issue?
 
@CSᵠ chat broke how we identify users. most stuff works, the stuff that doesn't is annoyingly bad.
 
hard 2 fix?
 
no, but already fixed.
why double efforts
Zirak will be back sometime
 
8:16 PM
lol someone in MS thought that was way too funny
 
what?
 
I do love satan
 
why you littering in here?
 
not stan, it's "santan"
 
8:16 PM
^ this isn't about satan
 
@NickDugger I love sun tan
 
@NickDugger who's stan
 
^ stan
 
@joshhunt was just about to post this link and ask the same thing
 
I read somewhere that they started 9 and it flopped so they went to 10 but not sure if true or not
@JonathanSampson you're the MS expert around here :D any inside knowledge?
 
8:21 PM
@joshhunt Windows 8.1 was really Windows 8 plus 1 ;)
 
lol seriously?
 
In all seriousness though, there wasn't a Windows 9. What you see advertised as "Windows 10" is what we've been working hard on for some time now. Version names aren't always contiguous though; remember when we went from Windows 3 to Windows 95, then popped over into "Vista", etc :)
I was only joking about "Windows 8 plus 1" :)
 
hey wouldn't have surprised me. That's bizarre though, I understand going from 95 -> Vista because you are using a different naming convention but to just skip a version number? Feels odd...
was there any sort of reasoning behind it? Or just "Windows 9 doesn't sound right"?
 
@joshhunt Those discussions happen elsewhere; I'm busy working on the web :)
 
fair enough :D
 
ACP
8:26 PM
Hello everyone...
 
I'm not mad though; the name of the OS matters less to me than the features it ships with. And I'm excited about the next version of Windows. In particular, I'm excited about the future of the browser ;)
 
@JonathanSampson hey, it worked for Netscape....
 
I'm not mad either, I just try to understand things that I don't understand. Are there new features of IE that integrate with W10?
 
which you guys then killed
 
If a Netscape-style death means a Firefox-style rebirth, then that isn't such a bad thing :)
I think it's cool how Mosaic is really the winner in all of this today; Firefox and IE both find their roots in it.
I don't know much about the history of Chromium; but it may have been heavily influenced by Mosaic too.
It's silently out-living us all :)
 
8:30 PM
@JonathanSampson did you find your rep at all helpful in your job search?
 
@SomeKittens It does... but only for employers who understand its relevance :D
@SomeKittens And make sure it's distributed among tags that are relevant to the position you're applying for. Don't be awesome at LaTeX and apply for a PHP position ;)
 
omg
W10 command prompt will support copy and paste
almost worth buying just for that
 
@TylerH Haha. Yeah, and the ability to draw to resize the window as large or as small as you like - it's crazy that I get excited about those types of things :)
 
@JonathanSampson it's the small things
 
To be fair, Windows CMD supports copy/paste, but not in an intuitive way. Then again, copying and pasting in terminals has always been voodoo.
 
8:33 PM
like being able to remove the tiles from the new start menu
 
@TylerH Not a fan of the tiles? :D
 
@JonathanSampson can windows command line cd stop sucking
:P
 
most UI and UX overhauls are okay, so long as I can override them with my own styles/preferences with a bit of tinkering
 
cd /d h:
 
@JonathanSampson not on Desktop
 
8:33 PM
@rlemon Have you ever checked out PowerShell?
 
I want 32x32 icons max
 
a) why do I have to /d and b) why it is /d and not -d or \d which would be somewhat intuitive
 
@TylerH You can resize your tiles.
 
@JonathanSampson nahh, I just use git bash (when forced to use cli on windows)
 
In Windows 7 I have to right-click -> view -> small icons
 
8:34 PM
@TylerH so much for touch then
@TylerH such a pain xD
 
@ZachSaucier I don't use touch so no big deal :-)
 
The larger buttons and stuff are definitely engineers with touch in mind.
 
you could go into system and change the default to 32 px
 
It's rough today because laptops are increasingly becoming tough-friendly, which is difficult for engineers who have to design UIs. Do you make it larger when touch is detected? Or do you make it smaller, anticipating people to use a stylus or mouse on the touch-enabled device.
Either way, you're burning somebody.
 
@JonathanSampson any hints on price?
 
8:36 PM
Probably going to be Starter, Home, Professional, Ultimate :-/
 
My install of 7 is getting to the point where I need to reinstall
 
I'd prefer simplification (though I know that isn't as profitable a business model); Desktop ultimate and Touch ultimate
My main question is: MS hinted with 8 that it would be the last version with 32-bit. Windows 9 10 will have 32-bit. Will it be the last?
 
@SomeKittens I'm not privy to that information. I remember buying Windows 8 for like $30 or something back in 2012. I'm hoping it's really affordable.
 
I really hope so
@JonathanSampson whoa. employee deal?
 
ohh and @JonathanSampson wink wink I signed up for dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/… ages ago
never heard anything from it
bump me up the list!
:P
also, my email is full of broken links now
 
8:38 PM
Same here
 
@TylerH I've been running Windows 10 for months ;) I primarily want it to be affordable for my friends and family. I don't want to have to buy it for all of them :D
 
Even on Newegg's black friday deals the Windows OSes don't fall below about $99
 
though they said they'd already sent all of the devices
 
broken link <- really broken
 
@JonathanSampson I meant did you get an employee deal on Windows 8 back in 2012
 
8:39 PM
@TylerH I wasn't an employee in 2012. Windows 8 was $30 to everybody for a month.
 
@SomeKittens I don't know why I wasn't picked. I mean shit, I work in the embedded industry using boards just like that every day
 
oh
 
A technical preview of Windows 10 is going to be available soon on preview.windows.com - be sure to get it and start playing :)
 
upgrade
 
you would think they would want manufacturers to test them for a viable replacement to existing boards
 
8:39 PM
not full/fresh install, IIRC :-)
will the technical preview include IE12?
 
@JonathanSampson Will I be able to install it from a USB drive?
that was a BIG hassle with 7
 
@SomeKittens I don't see why not :)
 
the rpi isn't powerful enough, and the Beagle Bone Blacks have had some issues to say the least
 
I installed Windows 7 from a thumb-drive; don't recall any serious problems.
It was the only way I could get it on my tablet(s) at the time.
@SomeKittens If you do run into problems, please let me know.
 
Will do
 
8:42 PM
@SomeKittens funny story. when I got my kudu laptop with ubuntu on it, I wanted to swap the HDD for my SSD. I also opted for no cdrom, and a drive caddy. what did I do? yea, I burned an ubuntu cd. like a tool.
 
Though I probably won't play with the beta. Don't have the time to be a free beta tester anymore
 
didn't clue in until it was done and I went over to the laptop
 
I will definitely be on the lookout for the preview
@JonathanSampson can you say if the preview will include IE12?
 
@TylerH It comes with Internet Explorer :)
 
purposefully leaving out the version number ;-)
 
8:46 PM
@TylerH Haven't we already established today that Microsoft's version numbers are meaningless ;)
 
For Windows, yes
For IE, hardly :-P
 
Touché :)
 
@JonathanSampson s/version numbers are/ is /
 
IE versions are useful, IE user agents... not so much
:P
 
It won't have a finished product; not of Windows or IE. We're still in the process of building both, but by download you get to be part of the effort to ensure the final products are far better than we can make then on our own.
 
8:47 PM
@CSᵠ "numbers is" would be incorrect
 
@TylerH WOOSH!!!
 
@rlemon Apparently. Doesn't s/ mean "you should say:..." ?
 
switch
think string.replace(a,b)
s/a/b/
 
well I don't know much JS so that's probably not a good analogy but I understand what switch means :-P
still
switch are with is and you get an incorrect sentence
 
It was an attempt to troll me ;)
 
8:51 PM
so maybe he should have appended /s instead of prepending s/
 
He was suggesting Microsoft version numbers are useless should have ready Microsoft is useless :)
 
@TylerH but that isn't the syntax
MS isn't useless. It does at times appear to make changes for the sake of changes. but overall it serves a need
I use like 60% linux, 40% windows.
 
@JonathanSampson ahhh I see now
I was ignoring the "version numbers"
 
I've got to run to a meeting; take care, all!
 
8:56 PM
why are they not wearing shoes in the second pic
 
@TylerH s means substitute
so substitute/this/that/flags
 
9:19 PM
Can you guys reproduce my bug report on meta?
 
"any review page"? I can't repro
there is something dodgy going on with the thumbnail, though
 
@Billy like if you click "review" i.e. stackoverflow.com/review
 
 
yeah, that shows it
 
\o/ I got some fresh badges
 
9:29 PM
post it on question :P
@Mr.Alien didn't even notice that addition
 
For some reason I thought you were saying it was getting stuck like your screenshot
 
@ZachSaucier you did got a bronze
 
I know :P
 
29 silvers more and I'll reach 100
 
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9:37 PM
 
@WesleyCrushed i feel they all are useless, I can make that army in ike 5 mins
nyt guys ~
@WesleyCrushed will discuss over that tomorrow morning.. 3.15 up :p
 
9:53 PM
Back from my meeting. Apparently Internet Explorer Ultron will ship with support for HTML6 and 7, as well as a box of kittens.
 
@JonathanSampson ooooh, totally worth it for the kittens
 
Kittens are almost as cool as our support for the Karaoke Web Standard: status.modern.ie/karaokewebstandard
 
10:50 PM
crazy that ac/dc isn't on spotify, youtube it is I guess
 
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@Mr.Alien just tried, they rock :D
 
user652649
it's you man, you think that since they don't have a gun they would suck
 
user652649
rodeleros + pikemen
 
user652649
tomorrow we will play spanish vs spanish :D
 
I haven't played that game in a long time
 
user652649
10:54 PM
we are old school
 
its a good game so fair enough
are there are any good modern rts games?
 
yay people
I was so lonely
 
Anyone know why the page loader won't go away on my page? Pretty sure it's js but no idea if it is or not or where to look.. Can anyone reproduce as well? studiopretty.com/infinite-scroll password: lobster
 
user652649
youtube is down :|
 
page loader = spinning favicon on tab on chrome
@WesleyCrushed not for me..
 
user652649
11:00 PM
yea it's opendns that isn't working
 
user652649
 
@WesleyCrushed my youtube ads for the last two days youtube.com/watch?v=tdB7MtQsYv0&feature=trueview-instream
 
user652649
ahahahha
 
can anyone reproduce my loader issue?
 
user652649
they are trying to make the 2020 version of the camel's camel
 
user652649
11:03 PM
which is an ecig that looks like an iphone
 
@Billy yup I can, what are you using to put in the loader?
Probably something to do with this:
"Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined": globalscripts-infinity-2.js:189
 
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@JonathanSampson hi, how's it going at ms? :D
 
@WesleyCrushed Big day today :P More big things tomorrow. So it's pretty awesome.
 
@joshhunt I was talking about the loading icon that appears in the chrome tab, but thanks for finding a bug for me :p
 
oh lol, the only thing I could see was a loading icon on the page, is that what it's supposed to look like?
 
11:07 PM
No, but that's because the JS error stopped the page executing
 
ah right
 
I haven't made the page properly accessible... I might come back to this tomorrow lol
 
user652649
@JonathanSampson :D great. i wanted to ask you something before but then i forgot. can i bug you for a bit? :P did you start playing with flexbox?
 
in that case no I can't reproduce it :D but let me know once you've fixed that and I'll try it again
 
I have made the page public if you want to look but the issue has miraculously gone away for me now :P
 
user652649
11:10 PM
i always dreamed for a job at microsoft tho
 
user652649
my youth dream
 
user652649
^ that and male porn star
 
@WesleyCrushed mine was Jagex to work on game proramming
@WesleyCrushed and that, too xD
 
user652649
haha
 
@Billy haha runescape? :P
@Billy not happening to me either, maybe a cdn resource or something that was hanging?
 
11:16 PM
Yeah I started playing RS when I was about 8
It was weird because it was definitely after everything was loaded
and it was consistently on that page and not others which share 3rd party libs
 
@WesleyCrushed I have played with Flexbox. Yes :) In fact, I was just discussing it with the WinJS team yesterday regarding some of their controls.
 
user652649
great :D what do you think about it at current state?
 
@Billy lvl? I think I got to lvl 111.
 
When did you quit? They changed the level cap around a lot
 
soon after they added summoning. 6ish years ago?
 
11:26 PM
@WesleyCrushed Ah, I couldn't comment honestly. I spend most of my time doing JavaScript; I've only poked at Flexbox curiously a few times. A buddy on my on staff is the internal PM in charge of our implementation. He's pretty excited about it :)
Gotta run. Tomorrow is a big day :) Take care, all.
 
user652649
so the story is that i'm not happy about it. don't get me wrong it's massively better than any css2 alternative, but i spent a lot of time on it and i feel it's not satisfying enough, it has a couple of important problems. i was trying to get through someone who is involved with its developing and throw some some inputs but i'm lazy :D and getting attention on www-style is very tough (especially for me, since i never used newsgroups in my life)
 
@WesleyCrushed Shoot me your thoughts; I can definitely get them in front of the right people: josamp@microsoft.com.
 
user652649
since you asked for suggestions i would like to spend a talk with you about it
 
user652649
clearly it's about spec, not implementation
 
user652649
ok thank you very much :) will do
 
11:45 PM
How can I send a specific instance of a var into a callback? Not sure if i'm explaining it right but this should be pretty concise: jsbin.com/gotigurogudo/1/edit
 
user652649
11:58 PM
there is no "instance of a var"
 
user652649
only "instance of a class|type"
 

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