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6:00 PM
@Mahadevan CORS
 
@Neal it's very contextual though
 
@SterlingArcher True.
 
@Mahadevan Can angular help?
 
@MohamedAhmed ?
 
i am using angularjs
 
6:01 PM
Angular can help you get your lines-of-code count higher.
 
@Luggage I am using ang2 for a new project by me... its not sooo bad...
 
I tried this but always returns -1:
var index = $scope.allContacts.indexOf(contact); //contact is the object selected
 
Yea, never used 2. Or 1. I just make fun of them anyway.
 
@MohamedAhmed You cannot do index of an object
you need to find it in another way.
 
yea you can. if it's the actual object reference.
 
6:02 PM
@Luggage its not... its angular...
I know...
 
oh.
 
@MohamedAhmed search by key
and if you do not have a key like device idk how else you will find it...
 
contact.id?
 
any suggestion
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey How can one deny what one does not know? There is not logic here.
 
6:05 PM
So creationists don't deny evolution?
 
They just change all the details to "god did it"
 
They don't know the details
 
user1596138
They know the details haha...
 
No. They don't.
 
user1596138
They are educating their children with the knowledge to "defeat" evolution. Which involves teaching them evolution.
 
6:06 PM
Not everyone.
 
user1596138
Haha creationists plain don't know how evolution works??
 
user1596138
What a joke..
 
Yes.
 
Many of them have no idea.
 
user1596138
Very few do not know. Most know and choose to refute it.
 
6:07 PM
What a joke that they are taught it correctly and completely but still don't believe it.
 
user1596138
@Luggage No that's it. lol
 
I still don't think I fully understand the externals in webpack
 
user1596138
Learning how a process works doesn't imply anything about the cause of said process.
 
You can adopt that stance, that god caused evolution. But that's not the creationist view.
 
user1596138
They talk about evolution in church... I took philosophy classes on theism in general at churches, we discuss all points of view lol
 
user1596138
6:09 PM
It's just that when they finish talking about reality they say "See how that doesn't make any sense??" lmao...
 
The poll I posed earlier said 1/3 Americans believe there was no evolution at all. Humans were always the same. Popped into existence just like we are.
 
@Jhawins "Cause" isn't something most scientists use in a rigorous sense
 
Yea.. many churches do. The catholic church accepts evolution.
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey Yet it is something most creationists feel a need to answer.
 
We aren't making claims about YOU.
 
user1596138
6:10 PM
Shit right you're not lol.
 
I never called you a creationist.
 
Put a shirt on you hippie
 
But.. are you?
 
user1596138
I never reacted as if you did?
 
I thought "Shit right you're not lol." was you reacting as if I had..
 
user1596138
6:10 PM
Nah, family sure is. I have very direct experience with "defecting" lol
 
user1596138
I don't even know how to approach it. My 6 year old baby sister asked me if I believed in God over christmas lol
 
user1596138
I was like.,.. Do you?
 
So you should know first hand that some people were taught a story about how the world started and won't change no matter what is said to them, right?
 
user1596138
Yeah, for sure. But that doesn't correlate to not understanding what evolution is.
 
I thought you said defecating lol
 
user1596138
6:12 PM
They know... They have all the information, all the knowledge. They consciously choose to look the other way. That is my point
 
I mean, he has experience defecating as well
 
I'd hope so
 
It doesn't correlate to being aware of evolution as another explanation, but I think (I can't back this up) that if you REALLY understand evolution, then it does.
 
@Jhawins Not everyone is like that. That's my point.
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey Majority is.
 
6:12 PM
> So what's your main weakness?
Honestly? Not an experienced pooper.
 
user1596138
That's your average christian in America. In the bible belt anyway.
 
!!afk idgaf bout religion
 
I'm with your that your average american christian isn't a die-hard creationist, but there are enough of them, and enough middle-of-the-road christians that think teaching BOTH in schools is reasonable.
 
From what I hear (anecdotally) evolution isn't taught in many schools in the US
 
user1596138
Also majority aren't super worried about whether evolution happened.... It isn't necessary to refute it for most. It could have been part of gods plan I have been told many, many time. Yes I said "But that's not what the book says"... Doesn't matter lol
 
6:13 PM
Most Christians I know don't care if evolution is real or not. Hell, even the pope says that evolution is real. It's just the American bible-belt plebs that refute science
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey You are 100% wrong, it's taught in essentially every single school in the nation..
 
user1596138
And no one fights it except in extreme backwoods small towns.
 
also texas
and florida
 
Evolution wasn't taught in my private high school
 
user1596138
Even private catholic school teaches evolution..
 
6:14 PM
Every single school? Bull crap.
 
user1596138
They say it's wrong, but they teach it lol
 
My school did not teach it, jhoopins
 
jpoopins
 
because the pope believes in evolution. Catholics are fairly science-compatible compared to, say, southern baptists.
 
@Jhawins Talking about it != teaching it
 
user1596138
6:15 PM
What did your school say about the big bang etc then
 
Developing for electron is pretty nice... only have to worry about the best browser
 
> I have experience defecating - jpoopins
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey They teach it so that you "know what you're up against" in the world... They are tactful people lol
 
user1596138
@ndugger How did they handle the whole subject then?
 
user1596138
I've never met anyone who didn't know what evolution was, it's a simple concept not something that requires months of years of teaching.
 
6:16 PM
So, my school often had people come in and do talks on why the earth is only 6000 years old, if anyone brought up evolution, they would just ignore it and move on.
 
user1596138
I came straight out of the bible belt. So if I haven't, and I know Amish kids..... Can't be that common.
 
user1596138
@ndugger How is that possible, peple sue the school system these days for misinformation like that.
 
@Jhawins A lot of the time they don't actually teach it properly. You'd be surprised how many people think evolutionists say that a dinosaur egg hatched into a bird.
 
@Jhawins It's a private school
 
Also, we are trying to say it's a problem, not that 100% of people in the middle of the country are all hard-line creationists.
 
6:18 PM
@KendallFrey I've met a lot of people who misunderstood the whole survival of the fittest phrase
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey You'd be surprised too, since you said it
 
Also.. It sounds like you are not against teaching science at all, so we are not really at odds, mostly.
 
@Jhawins huh?
 
user1596138
@Luggage Why would I be lol
 
I recall learning about evolution in school, but it was brief, and not very well explained. most of my understanding was research on my own (public school frt)
 
user1596138
6:18 PM
@rlemon Isn't that every subject haha
 
user1596138
You get a nudge in the right direction, you live or die by your own will
 
user2620028
@Luggage i think he is mostly against the bureaucracy of public school
 
I'm just trying to find common ground here. Both of us are for science, we just disagree on the percentage of people that are against, and the state of education. Is that an accurate summary?
 
user1596138
Yeah
 
user1596138
The only thing I'm fighting here is the notion that the majority of public schools in the US don't teach evolution... Or the notion that majority of Christians don't understand evolution.
 
user1596138
6:20 PM
"understand" not extending to accepting it, but knowing what it is
 
Most don't actually understand it, though. They just dismiss it as a theory that says that humans used to be monkeys. My brother is like that.
 
user1596138
We talked about the cosmological constant in church, for me. So
 
I think the majority DO teach evolution, now, but there are laws passed in the last decade to make that happen or not happen. It's still being fought in some places.
 
Oh god the "just a theory" idea
 
i mean.. the topic of teaching evolution in schools was a hot topic 10-15 years ago, when i was going through school, but i don't really see that as a hot topic now days
 
user1596138
6:21 PM
"just a theory" is literally nonsensical nonsense lol
 
user2620028
im actually curious how many christians believe in evolution....
 
@ndugger don't understand evolution or their treatment of it?
 
@HatterisMad Most of them
 
user1596138
@HatterisMad My mom does. But that just makes her even worse off... Believing something that directly contradicts everything else you believe doesn't make any sense :/
 
Evolution doesn't contradict a belief in a higher power
 
user2620028
6:22 PM
@Jhawins yeah i think that is the majority of the christan population right now
 
user1596138
So my mom will be telling my sisters about that, about the cosmological constant, about where the universe came from. But then she will also tell them God set it all in motion lol
 
@ndugger It does contradict biblical literalism
 
user2620028
@Jhawins because i personally don't know any christians that live their life directly by the teachings of the bible
 
user1596138
@ndugger It does contradict massively with the bible tho lol
 
user1596138
But no not in the belief in a deity
 
6:23 PM
@ndugger no, but it directly contradicts the popular story about a higher power. The whole adam/eve thing.
 
@Jhawins She into the Kalam argument?
 
@KendallFrey If anyone is still taking Genesis as literal, then they have a few screws loose
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey lol no
 
@Jhawins The problem there is the leap from deism to a personal god
 
user1596138
Meh. No
 
6:24 PM
@Jhawins "god of the gaps" is a fine position. While I'm a devout athiest, a christian that accepts science and just says God is behind it all, somewhere deep, is someone I can be "compatible" with.
 
@ndugger I think a lot of people believe it simply because they were always taught it, and never thought to question it.
 
user1596138
@Luggage I think that is your average christian in the US, honest.
 
Not by anything irrational in itself
 
That's fair; unfortunate, but fair
 
user2620028
@KendallFrey or feel a lack of meaning without it possibly
 
user1596138
6:25 PM
How many Christians have even read their whole bible....
 
@Luggage The problem with god of the gaps is that god keeps getting smaller and disappearing whenever we look closer
 
user1596138
The whole thing is jacked haha
 
user1596138
But we're getting pretty unfriendly to potential new users with this topic... Jus sayin
 
@KendallFrey yea.. trust me i'm on your side there, but it's a position that I can accept as "ok, fine".
 
@ndugger Sorry about the __dirname thing. Turns out it's kind of a bug in glob-fs.
 
user1596138
6:25 PM
I agree with you all at some capacity.
 
You were 100% right.
 
It's a BS argument, but a much more sane one that believing in floods and arks.
 
user1596138
@Luggage The world HAS flooded... heh
 
user2620028
@Jhawins i was reading the family bible out of curiousity and noticed it had more chapters than what was in churches i have been to in my life and have never opened one again
 
@Jhawins I did throughout our religion classes in high school
 
user1596138
6:26 PM
In a way lol
 
not that I can remember it all
 
@Luggage Yeah I don't have a problem with religion per se, just when it states untested ideas as fact.
 
The specific whole planet flood myth w/ a single ark with all animals.
 
but I've at least read the whole thing once
 
Of course floods are real.
 
6:26 PM
I used to have the book of James memrized
 
user1596138
Haha </pedantism>
 
@Luggage Which, btw, relies on evolution (including speciation)
 
Not according to Ken Ham
Man, I hope that place burns down.
 
As someone who has read several versions of the Bible, the Qu'ran (In English so some Muslims would say I haven't), the Torah, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, and the Doctrine and Covenants I can tell you MOST people who are religious have not read their own books.
 
I agree.
 
6:28 PM
@Luggage You're also being bias though. They translated the Bible from ancient Hebrew which had numerical value in words which has been lost forever.
 
user1596138
@Allenph Saaaaame
 
@Luggage Well, they say there were a few thousand animals then, and millions of species now, so...
 
Because the books are full of smut and bad ideas.
 
I don't have a book. we just dance a lot and sing
 
For example, raining for 40 days and nights just means "completion."
 
user1596138
6:28 PM
I need to learn arabic so I know what they believe
 
@KendallFrey the biblical flood wasn't that long ago.. < 6000 years.
not many more species in that time
 
@Luggage That's a misconception from young Earth creationists.
All Christians are not young Earth Creationists.
Again, numerical and literal value are mixed in translation.
 
the ones that don't take a stance against science are not the ones I am talking about.
 
@Luggage I know, but the claim that there were only a couple thousand species kind of requires speciation since then.
 
I guess, but I don't think that's the argument.
 
user1596138
6:30 PM
@Allenph Would star if this was on topic haha
 
@Luggage Well, no, it seems they haven't thought it through
 
Did the biblical flood actually happen?
 
1. New species cannot be created.
2. 4500 years ago there were less than ten thousand species.
3. Today there are more than a million species.
4. ???
5. Heaven
 
depends on how literally you take it
 
6:32 PM
@SterlingArcher Yes, but not as described.
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey Seems legit to me dude
 
You guys realize the real arguments are philosophical in nature not specific?
Read the Kalaam Cosmological Argument.
 
did jesus' basement get flooded or something?
 
Or the Problem of Pain and Evil.
 
One of the funniest things about the flood story is how the bible says the water was ~25 feet deep.
 
user2620028
6:33 PM
@SterlingArcher yeah and it ruined his refrigerator so he was pissed
 
shiiiiiit
@KendallFrey that's it?
 
@Allenph Not sure what you mean by "real" arguments. There are plenty of people who think they have physical evidence for a biblical flood.
 
ive seen deeper floods in my toilet
 
@SterlingArcher Yep.
 
I've got a ladder that's 20ft. so if I prop it up on my shed I should be alright?
 
6:34 PM
15 cubits, and a cubit is thought to be around 18 inches
 
@Allenph is that basically "we exist, therefor something created us"?
 
@Luggage Everything that begins to exist has a cause. The universe began to exist. Therefore, the universe has a cause.
 
Let's say that I buy that. That is 0 evidence for the specific god specified out in the bible to exist.
 
That's the entirely of that argument
@Luggage Well, exactly. The argument doesn't even say that the cause has a mind.
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey It does not say that lol.
 
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6:35 PM
Well ok, I'll keep open
 
user1596138
Please show me where it says that haha
 
guys we already know god created us
 
user1596138
The ark sank 15 cubits into the water when it was full.... The water was not 15cubits deep
 
so if it covered the mountains to that depth it was pretty deep in the valleys.
 
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6:37 PM
@KendallFrey That should be read as "The water rose more than 22 feet above the highest mountains"
 
I can read it that way
 
user1596138
Which also makes no sense... But that means it was Everest+22feet deep lol
 
But it's ambiguous
 
user1596138
That is what it says, very clear
 
user1596138
In the version you linked even. Tho others are even clearer
 
6:37 PM
@Jhawins Well Everest wasn't supposed to exist at that time either
 
It doesn't really matter. There is no geologic record of a whole-planet flood.
 
i mean... think about what the people of that time-frame believed in.
 
user1596138
You linked this
 
user1596138
> The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits
 
Mountains were only 25 feet tall back then
 
user1596138
6:38 PM
How does that say ANYTHING other than 15 cubits HIGHER than the highest mountain lol
 
How could people of that time known what mountain was the highest
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey Yea, whatever the tallest shit was lol
 
@Jhawins I was reading the KJV
 
@KevinB even "the tallest mountain we know" is likely a lot of fuggin' water. :)
 
user1596138
Himalayas are what, 29K feet? So the water was 30K above sea level lol
 
user1596138
6:39 PM
Idk if Everest itself was around, but that mountain range was wasn't it?
 
Why are we arguing the exact depth of a fictional flood? Might as well argue about Luke Skywalker's penis size.
 
user1596138
7 mins ago, by Kendall Frey
One of the funniest things about the flood story is how the bible says the water was ~25 feet deep.
 
@Luggage small.
 
@Jhawins It's not incorrect to interpret it as "the ocean rose 15 cubits". Hence why there are so many interpretations of the bible
 
user1596138
This is the funniest message of the day, because it was exactly as bassackwards as I thought haha
 
user1596138
6:40 PM
@KendallFrey How so? If you can explain that I'll paypal you $5 today
 
user1596138
Logically*
 
You'd have to look at other translations and try to determine how they were translated from the original. And who cares to do that..
 
user1596138
> covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits
 
user1596138
The reference point is the mountains...
 
king james: Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
 
6:41 PM
yea. that's what it sounds like to me, too
 
it's a bit more ambiguous in that version
maybe that means they had baby mountains
 
user1596138
The mountains are covered with 15cubit of water. Either the mountains are <15cubit or the water is 15cubit above the peaks.
 
@Jhawins no one is arguing the interpretation of that version. Read Lemon's version.
That one is not as clear. Sounds off.
 
user1596138
Sometimes you consult multiple versions..
 
user1596138
Cause the whole thing is a sham.
 
6:42 PM
Agreed. :)
 
user1596138
> rising more than twenty-two feet above the highest peaks.
> The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.

> The flood waters rose 15 cubits above the mountains.
> The waters rose more than twenty feet above the mountains.
> It rose 23 feet above the mountaintops.
> The water prevailed fifteen cubits higher, and the mountains were covered.
> The water was fifteen cubits higher than the mountains which it covered.
 
user1596138
Just pasted them in order off some site lol
 
@Jhawins The word translated "prevailed" is translate.google.ca/#auto/en/…
 
user1596138
Seems pretty damn easy to figure out..
 
You won already.
 
6:44 PM
@Luggage If you read it carefully it does actually PROVE the existence of something called an unintelligent God. People just jump to intelligence from that. And what that unintelligent God is or could be is very vague.
 
So it doesn't explicitly say the water "prevailed" beyond the mountains
 
The fictional flood was above the mountains. I conceed.
 
A lot of people say it's physics.
 
user1596138
Ok @KendallFrey.
 
user1596138
Just throw ur mom in and it will rise 15 cubitz
 
6:44 PM
And the reason you use philosophy is because of Rationalism and the idea that the senses can be confused, so you have to have an abstract logical argument.
 
But she was on the Ark.
@Allenph a bunch of circular logic to get you want, some vague idea of a non-intelligent mystery creator? what's the point.
 
And all physical evidence either way can be debunked by the other side and ends up leading to a circular reasoned shitfest on either side.
 
@Luggage not being okay with "I don't know" and having to explain things?
 
The Kalaam Cosmological argument is not circular.
 
user2620028
if you can disprove science with proof, then you contribute to science
 
6:46 PM
@Allenph Are you deferring to solipsism?
@Allenph No, it's indeed a perfectly valid argument.
 
Yea, maybe not circular, but I still think it's pointless.
 
@Luggage the point is that the arguments your making can't be proven either way at their base. There is no epistemological stance that would accept those arguments as infallible.
 
I don't think it's sound, and it certainly doesn't argue for the existence of anything spiritual
 
It's just "there must have been something befreo what we know", which is fine.
 
Right...
 
6:47 PM
@Luggage so like stargate continuum
 
As long as it doesn't end in "therefor god", without something more to back that up
 
@KendallFrey that was part of my point.
@Luggage it doesn't, but most people make that jump.
 
Yea, the person mentioned in the Wikipedia article, William Lane Craig is all about using it to prove god.
 
And yes, solipsism.
 
Yeah, he's famous for developing and using the argument.
 
6:48 PM
@Luggage the Ontological Argument is interesting.
 
He's famous for loosing arguments to Christopher Hitchens.
 
I don't mind listening to him argue, he's much more sane than someone like Ray Comfort
 
That's a mind gangbang that makes sense some days and doesn't others.
 
You got that right
The main problem I see there is the premise that existence is more perfect than nonexistence
 
There's a lot of smart people that believe in God, but not a lot of people who believe in God that are smart.
I'll put it that way.
 
6:51 PM
How is that an argument? The perfect car is greater than the non-perfect car so it must exist?
 
user1596138
LOL
 
@KendallFrey You hit it right on the head.
@Luggage That counter-argument has been made and debunked.
I believe Immanuel Kant put it to bed, though.
 
I found it. the perfect car.
or Karr.
 
You're not reading it with an open mind.
I'm not saying it's true, but you're baselessly saying it's not.
Did you even read the whole article?
 
Another thing is that I don't accept that it's impossible to imagine something more perfect than can possibly exist.
 
6:52 PM
@Jhawins they're just displaying an overlay when the buttons are pressed, obv
 
@Allenph Who, me?
 
No, @Luggage.
 
No, I read the definition of Ontological Argument ("the argument that God, being defined as most great or perfect, must exist, since a God who exists is greater than a God who does not.") and said "ohh yea, that argument. Bunch of junk."
 
That counter argument you made was made a LOOONG time ago.
And it is not the one that ruing the ontological argument.
 
That original argument is obvious BS. Never has something being "perfect" ever been any indication of it's existence.
 
6:54 PM
Sigh
You're being just like the religious right now.
 
Am I?
 
@Luggage poutine exists because it is perfect and therefore must exist.
 
Because I won't entertain the notion that defining something as perfect (how can a slavery-loving god be perfect anyway) make it real?
 
user1596138
@Shmiddty But how are they stopping it from screenshotting? It won't capture it with the overlay....
 
user1596138
It cancels the ss and says cannot screenshot.
 
6:55 PM
@Luggage Entertain the notion, but don't rely on it.
 
So, nothing existential or tautological, but I have a 5000+ line javascript file written in backbone that I need to wrestle into a more usable condition. I'm thinking that the best start is to bring in something to manage state. Thoughts?
 
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I'm not saying it's not true, but I won't accept it as presented.
 
@SuperNoob ask for a raise
 
I just might, but I still need to find an intelligent way to transition this file towards sanity.
 
6:57 PM
I'm a realist and when I read the Wikipedia article on the Ontological Argument and I am going through bullet points like "By definition, God is a being than which none greater can be imagined." I just think "the basis for this is all arbitrary, how can the conclusion be anything but?
 
I'm also a realist.
But I think that word does not mean what you think it means.
 
Inconceivable. :)
 

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