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3:00 AM
sorry for the quadping
 
okay sir ping-a-lot
I got it
 
please don't eat me
 
I'm a one horned one eyed flying purple kendall eater
 
that's terrifying
I don't want to visualize a one-eyed flying purple anything
 
!!giphy one eyed one horned flying purple people eater
 
that's a lot less phallic than I expected
 
focus on the negative space
 
3:19 AM
clean(PATHS.app) well shit.
 
3:36 AM
@SterlingArcher still with steph?
 
thats a nice reef shark
@david you into fish?
... googling "4636228756" will result in heads in washing machines
 
@rlemon a little, i do scuba and like to see interesting things
octopus are my favourite. I saw a teeny little one once on a night dive, i don't think it liked my torch finding it
 
3:51 AM
@david well thats a banded reef shark. beautiful creatures
don't touch ocotpus
few of them are very toxic
 
i try to avoid touching anything for that very reason
 
better safe than sorry
 
but i haven't heard anything about these ones being toxic
 
I used to keep reef tanks at home
for years kept corals and fish
@david nahh, most reef sharks are harmless
wont even bother you
just kinda skimper off
but it's crazy how toxic a lot of corals are
 
i'm not terribly worried about being attacked, it's more getting a spine in you that causes crazy amounts of pain
coral tanks are a pain in the arse aren't they? you need like a 'sump' tank or something full of dead coral to process the water?
 
3:54 AM
@david if you scuba you should also avoid all corals (soft and hard)
@david you need dead coral as a base for the eco load (or lava rock), you also need to have bad ass lights and a great filter
they don't like much change
 
yeah there's not much coral in NZ to worry about
 
nz has reefs
 
yeah i guess
i kinda forget that they're not just tropical
 
hell even Canada has reefs.
 
most of my diving has been on wrecks
 
3:58 AM
yea but still interesting
 
which probably have coral on them too
 
we get more hard corals
but beware
lots of corals are shitty to us
 
yeah... and they don't respond well to people smashing into them either :(
 
zoas are common and are beautiful
therefore common in trade
but deadly
 
that's a pretty spooky story
 
4:41 AM
hello everyone
 
@Jared Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
Hi Jared, most people have gone home/to bed so you might not get much response right now
 
5:06 AM
I'm having trouble using jquery after I load(); elements. ive already called my document ready function so do I just add another $(#elementID).ready(); function after it
 
@TravisHallet Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
5:30 AM
Anyone know how to mark the accepted answer, i really cant find it
 
5:55 AM
 
@ivarni Thank you! unbelievable, i even have't been seeing it.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:11 AM
Hey all
From rootscope. i am trying to get Role assigned in to a variable. Currently the role in the object shown is 'HR'
I got userID like $scope.data.currentUser = $rootScope.userInfo.UserId;
What should I do to get the role inside $scope.data.role from rootscope?
I am having trouble because its shown like '0 : "HR"'
 
linux folks
why is systemctl not working on amazon linux?
 
7:38 AM
ask linus torvalds
 
I use ubuntu, but i don't know what is amazon linux?
is it aws? I don't think amazon created linux distro
linux torvalds can only answer about linux kernel.
 
he's referencing to amazon's aws
and I was joking
 
well I can't use aws because it said I need to use valid credit card.
I only use hosting in cpanel. much easier
 
@GandalftheWhite I only know that systemctl is a command for systemd. Are you certain that your AWS runs on systemd ?
 
8:13 AM
@KarelG It wasn't running on systemd. Amazon linux is more less like redhat linux I guess.
and yes it is AWS
 
user6438653
What would you call a programming language that is half compiled, half interpreted?
 
user4904284
hey guys
 
user4904284
what is the best ways to promote my opensource projects?
 
user6438653
hahaha.
 
@PhillipYS Make them useful.
@WATERYMEL0N Java.
 
user6438653
8:15 AM
ahahaha
 
user6438653
@MadaraUchiha lol
 
@WATERYMEL0N crap
 
user6438653
Hey @MadaraUchiha.
 
or php
depends on your dialect.
 
user6438653
so, quite a few...
 
8:16 AM
@WATERYMEL0N Of course
Purely interpreted is usually slow, and purely compiled is usually a big hassle
So most languages are a mix of sorts.
 
user6438653
Ahh right....
 
what app are you running on aws?
 
user6438653
Makes sense.
 
I am trying to move from cpanel to aws. is it a hassle?
 
8:17 AM
different machines for different tasks @jacobian
 
user6438653
@jacobian who?
 
... And then there's transpiled languages. *shudder*
 
Cpanel ones I used just for php and normal html
 
user6438653
@Cerbrus Why is that called a transpiler? I should be a converter.
 
Compiler is just another way of saying translator. So actually it should just be a compiler.
 
user6438653
8:20 AM
True.. translates code to machine code... so they are same....
 
user6438653
That's just dumb.
 
@WATERYMEL0N That's not what a transpiler does
 
user6438653
A bunch of converters.
 
user6438653
@Cerbrus eh?
 
Typescript gets transpiled to JavaScript
 
8:20 AM
For example, the original C++ compiler "transpiled" from C++ to C. But no one called it a transpiler. Just call it a compiler. Make life simpler.
 
Neither is "compiled"
@Brandin That's not a "transpiler".
 
!!tell WATERYMEL0N google compiler vs transpiler
 
A source-to-source compiler, transcompiler or transpiler is a type of compiler that takes the source code of a program written in one programming language as its input and produces the equivalent source code in another programming language. A source-to-source compiler translates between programming languages that operate at approximately the same level of abstraction, while a traditional compiler translates from a higher level programming language to a lower level programming language. For example, a source-to-source compiler may perform a translation of a program from Pascal to C. An automatic...
> A source-to-source compiler translates between programming languages that operate at approximately the same level of abstraction, while a traditional compiler translates from a higher level programming language to a lower level programming language.
 
now that people seem in discussion mode
can I ask some amateur nginx related question
questions*
 
Don't ask if you can ask, just ask
 
8:22 AM
Okay
 
user6438653
ohh... They are a bunch of converters.
 
I use Apache (look at next guest)
 
user6438653
Don't ask to ask.
 
user6438653
Apache helicoper.
 
I am planning to add a header value based on which I will distribute the inbound connections via nginx to other machines.
 
8:23 AM
and jCopter
 
I have planned to use redis to look for values pertaining to the value in the header
and the value will be the server link
I haven't been able to get hands on proper amateurish article / tutorial to help me forward
 
Sounds like load balancing?
 
@Cerbrus Notice the link even calls it a source-to-source compiler. I just mean word transpiler doesn't add anything. If someone says "I transpiled this thing from A to be B", they mean exactly the same thing as "I compiled this thing from A to B", where compiled could be replaced with 'translated' if you want.
 
What's the meaning of "ask to ask"?
Ask somebody to ask a question for me? Doesn't make sense.
 
user6438653
asking us to ask a question.
 
user6438653
8:31 AM
it does make sense.
 
user6438653
@Cerbrus lol.
 
Why and when will I ask you to ask a question?
 
user6438653
Lots of people do, I have a few times. You might not do it.
 
It sounds weird to me.
 
user6438653
Can I ask you guys a question?
 
8:34 AM
Sure, go ahead.
 
user6438653
Can I ask a question? TROLOLOLOLOLO!
 
I understand now!
 
user6438653
That's asking to ask, usually without the trolling.
 
It actually means asking people if somebody is allowed to ask questions.
 
user6438653
Ding ding ding ding ding ding!!!! You hit the jackpot!
 
user6438653
8:37 AM
Damm mobile chat!
 
@ZhengquanBai Ask (for permission) to ask (a question)
 
That makes sense a lot better.
 
user6438653
I english is not good.
 
user6438653
I speak England.
 
user6438653
Blah, blah, blah, yeah, yeah, I'm from New Zealand, a country that speaks ENGLISH.... And? So what if I'm born here, some people are bad at english.
 
8:40 AM
are there drugs in your water?
 
user6438653
@tereško Maybe?
 
user6438653
Why is he asking that?
 
@WATERYMEL0N Because you seem high
 
user6438653
Nope. It's my addddddd.
 
user6438653
not +
 
8:43 AM
Karen asked to see the doctor.
 
user6438653
Who's Karen?
 
Just an example from an online English dictionary.
 
@MarkieDoe Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
user6438653
Who would like to contribute to a new programming language, we can make our own, using our own programming prefrences.
 
8:44 AM
.. and my ignore list just got bigger
 
user6438653
 
user6438653
@tereško hahaha.
 
user6438653
I forgot that was a button.
 
oh gawd it's back
 
user6438653
@ivarni hahahahaha.
 
user6438653
8:47 AM
Okay, guys I'll try and be normal.
 
@WATERYMEL0N for the love of holy lord!! No new programming languages please!! :|
 
user7039410
@Shashi Why not?
 
user7039410
@tereško Don't ignore me.
 
@Shashi y dude?
 
user7039410
@ivarni Sorry.
 
8:51 AM
@arulpragash Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@winter Come to place where the whole economy is based off outsourcing, more the language more fragmentation in market.
Talking form employee perspective
 
user7039410
Hey @arulpragash You finally came here.
 
oh ffs stop using puppets too
I don't want to listen to your drivel, respect that
 
@CapricaSix I saw it you asked markie just now...
 
user7039410
@Shashi Yeah, but if a "perfect programming language was made", then it could become so popular that the others die out.
 
8:53 AM
hi @winter
 
@ivarni waitwhat
 
user7039410
@ivarni Nice one for working that out so quick.
 
user7039410
@WATERYMEL0N here.
 
@winter there is no perfect programming language and there will never be, it all about right tool for right job
 
@Cerbrus If I mute someone I don't appreciate them logging into a different account to ping me again and I expressed that view
It's the same douchebucket who pinged the entire room yesterday
 
user7039410
8:54 AM
@Shashi So combine all those perfect tools into one?
 
isn't use pf puppet accounts against SO rules?
 
user7039410
@ivarni I am very sorry.
 
Depends on how you use them
 
user7039410
!!URBAN pf
 
@winter [PF](http://pf.urbanup.com/6051332) A short acronym meaning "Pretty Fucking"

Used before an adjective to make it more powerful.

Synonymous with "really".
 
user7039410
8:55 AM
Oh, no.
 
user7039410
That needs to be censored.
 
user7039410
@tereško May you please tell me what pf means?
 
user7039410
!!undo
 
@winter You do not have permission to use the command undo
 
user7039410
damit...
 
8:58 AM
@winter I wonder if that is possible
 
user7039410
@ivarni Sorry.
 
js does everything these days but still not perfect!!
 
user6438653
@Shashi That would be cool.
 
user6438653
@Shashi Yeah...
 
@winter ...
 
9:01 AM
is there a way to listen for mousedown events, and have the listener called after the default browser behaviour occurs?
 
as per context it doesn't have to be censored
lol, the mods aren't dictators
 
user6438653
@KarelG ? @winter is me.
 
oh it's your account too ?
 
user6438653
Hey @Cauterite.
 
user6438653
@KarelG Yip.
 
9:03 AM
@WATERYMEL0N hey… can i help you?
 
WTF
 
user6438653
@Cauterite I say you the other day here.
 
you're just joking i suppose
 
oh, right
 
if it's a joke
@Meredith I'm now curious to that "florida girl" inside you
ya know, that both accounts can be linked with each other
 
9:05 AM
@ivarni I didn't see the "entire room ping" thing... but if there's sockpuppetry going on, afaik, that's kickable.
 
@Cerbrus It was flagged and deleted and they got a 30 min timeout for it so that bit's handled
the mass ping that is
As for puppets I don't really care, I'll just mute them as they pop up I guess
 
user6438653
It was a take this account.
 
@WATERYMEL0N That's not okay.
 
user6438653
30min ban yes.
 
@MadaraUchiha: Are sockpuppets "kick-on-sight"?
 
user6438653
9:09 AM
@Cerbrus Why? You can take the gmail account too.
 
user6438653
If you get into it. I don't remember the password.
 
Dude, don't.
 
user6438653
Why? I don't understand.
 
Because activity like that isn't welcome in this room. Don't create junk accounts to get around blocks. Don't dump login credentials in here.
2
We don't care you don't want to keep the account.
 
i solved my question from a few lines up: queue a callback with setTimeout(f, 0)
 
user6438653
9:13 AM
Oh, okay. I created it a while back. Oh-kay. I don't understand.
 
@WATERYMEL0N you have to understand that it's asking for trouble in any case
 
user6438653
Should I just delete my account? Or what about give out credentials so you can get a lovely 1k rep, a couple of hats, and a pile of badges.
 
user6438653
This could be a bot account, with some extra permissions.
 
user6438653
bye
 
user6438653
back
 
user6438653
9:17 AM
Why isn't there a delete button instead of a move button?
 
user6438653
bye
 
@WATERYMEL0N haven't you got anything more important do than continue this inane discussion?
 
@WATERYMEL0N Take some time off, please.
And sober up while you're at it.
 
@WATERYMEL0N xkcd 1537 some new language ideas for you
 
@chrome users: how to search with case sensitivity on ?
at firefox, there is a checkbox, but chrome doesn't offer it
@Cauterite interesting approach. But not sure if it's reliable :)
the queue is not FIFO
 
9:34 AM
@KarelG I have the impression that Chrome is not for power users.
 
well, it should reliably get called next time the event loop runs, at least
 
firefox is my default browser, but to keep work and private life separate, I separate both: firefox for private life, chrome for work
still, it's an interesting approach. Might work out in all situations if there is no other event scheduling in the background
 
https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=8717
"wontfix" — what a joke
 
Guys
 
@Mattia Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
9:37 AM
haha
that bug issue
 
@Cauterite Almost all Chrome bugs that I'm interested in are wontfix, so it's the norm.
 
> As a comparison, both IE and Firefox allow case-sensitive and case-insensitive
searches. Without this it is frustrating when you enter a case-sensitive value and you
get an incorrect (case-insensitive) match... you'd expect more from Google who are
known for their search expertise.
 
Google: Yes we are the search experts. And our search engine only do case insensitive search. Try it.
 
When can we stop using transpilers do you think?
 
this is exactly the same reason why i can't use apple software
always missing some seemingly basic functionality
@Mattia when you learn to tolerate the language you're transpiling into, or actually implement the one you're transpiling from
 
9:42 AM
The average users won't mind the lack of options. In case of search, just click next a few more time. If they know they can search at all.
 
the average users also won't mind seeing extra options they don't use
 
eh, try to search through the java doc summary for "Exception" ... there is lots of "exceptions" in the body
 
@Cauterite That's a fair answer. Do you use transpilers yourself?
 
@Mattia not since i tried one of those Scheme -> C compilers
actually i made a basic lisp->lua transpiler some time ago
never really used it though
 
@Cauterite I don't agree with that. Which is also the reason all three browsers use to reduce the number of options.
 
9:47 AM
then why bother including devtools (web console, element inspector, etc.) in the browser if the 'average user' isn't going to use them?
the average user isn't going to jump out of their chair when they accidentally hit F12 and the devtools opens
 
@Cauterite What does that have to do with javascript?
 
@Mattia you never said anything about javascript
 
@Cauterite Because if they don't, developers would have a hard time testing the browsers for support, and will drop the browser. For the record, Edge is going to hide the Inspect option by default, to prevent accidental click from average uesrs.
 
@Cauterite To be fair, we are in a chatroom called JavaScript
 
@Cauterite And Microsoft has the numbers to back up the decision.
 
9:52 AM
well perhaps the 'average user' doesn't know/care that other browsers than IE/Edge exist anyway
 
I fear that, by definition, Chrome has the most average user.
 
@Mattia you don't have to, but if you are, probably never
 
i would use transpilers if i had to write oldschool javascript without ES6+ features
 
if you have tools to analyze and transform your sources, there's a lot more you can do, aside from the popular use case to add support for future syntax
 
@Cauterite chicken scheme?
 
9:55 AM
@littlepootis yeah i think so
 
how is this 43 hours
I wonder if that includes getting pulled over and beheaded by ISIS
 
your average users suck
I'm sorry about that
 
@Cauterite Whye would you use a transpiler for that
@Cauterite You can use vanilla javascript for that no?
 
The worst thing I have to deal with is UC Mobile.
 
i mean, if i was running code on a JS engine which doesn't support the new features;
write code in good language -> transpile into ye olde JS -> run on crappy JS engine
 
9:59 AM
@Cauterite I mainly use transpilers for this purpos: it minimizes the chances that my code doesn't work in older browsers
 

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