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9:03 PM
I wanna be a keyboard ninja
 
@rlemon @SterlingArcher @KendallFrey Has the internet ruined you?
 
took me a long time to see that first time
even now, I mostly just see a dude reading a book
 
took me a few seconds to unsee it
 
9:08 PM
@KendallFrey Same
 
@Trasiva yes.
 
@MadaraUchiha Oh, we knew you were corrupt.
 
Been looking for a mechanical keyboard but I much prefer it in an ergonomic design like the microsoft ones
 
God I hate the health care tax penalty so much
 
If I could combine the 2 it would be perfect
 
9:09 PM
4 months costed me $511
Still better than paying $1000 for those 4 months that didn't cover jack shit
 
user2620028
@SterlingArcher how much would it have costed you to pay for health insurance
 
Yeah
 
#Obamacare
 
@SterlingArcher that's your penalty?
that sucks man
hopefully that goes away soon
 
On the bright side, my taxes are ready to file, I'm getting a nice refund.
 
9:11 PM
@SterlingArcher I still don't have my W2.
 
^
 
user2620028
i need to get a keyboard without the letters printed on it. discourage my girlfriend from using my computer
 
health "insurance" costs the average Canadian family ~$12k/year (the average contribution from their taxes to health coverage) (cc @KendallFrey)
 
Yeah man, last year my tax penalty was about $1400 for 6 month without health insurance
 
damn man
that's nuts
 
9:12 PM
Anyone know how to prevent a submodule in git repo as my one folder has .git but I don't want that to be a submodule. Instead I want to ignore everything but readme in that folder including .git
 
I just got my W2. Turbo tax files state and fed for free and it's auto-imported from my W2 so my yearly taxes are done in 15 minutes for free
 
We have to itemize so we always end up taking them somewhere
 
user2620028
@rlemon i don't think i have incurred that much in healthcare costs since i have been responsible for my own bills
 
In the states you have to pay if you dont have health insurance?
 
usually the same place, but we're in a different state this year
 
9:13 PM
The joys of filing single lol
 
@BenCraig yea
 
@BenCraig thanks to Obamacare yeah
 
wtf?
 
that's one of the things from Obama care
 
Obamacare does help some low income people sure, but it penalizes people like me who chose not to get health insurance
 
9:13 PM
@HatterisMad that's not how the system works or even cares about tho. everyone pays so everyone gets basic health care. it's a basic right
 
doesnt obamacare cover you though?
 
or if you can't afford Obama care premiums because you're not so well off... you still get penalized
 
It's about $111-$300 per month you don't have insurance
 
user2620028
@rlemon well aware
 
@BenCraig I'm not paying $250 a month for a $10,000 deductible and a $30,000 out of pocket max per year
 
9:14 PM
@MadaraUchiha the problem was I had one .gitignore in plugins folder too

*
!/package.json

which was overriding root .gitignore and adding package.json. Just thought you would want to know
 
you americans are nuts
 
dat detuctable.
 
When the last time I had health insurance it was $70 a year for a $3,000 deductible and a $4,000 out of pocket max per year
month not year
DEY TOOK ERR JERBSSS
 
user2620028
$70 a month?!
 
Yeah dude, that's what I pay now for insurance through work
 
9:15 PM
I mean, i used to pay 70$ a month too, but... work paid a hell of a lot more than that
 
My old job had 100% coverage before SNC
 
I pay $450 per month
actually a bit higher now I guess
 
now i'm paying closer to 300 a month
 
I pay £80 a month NHS
 
@BenCraig That's the problem, it's still not free healthcare
 
9:16 PM
and have a higher deductable
 
user2620028
my insurance through my work is $300 a month, my fathers insurance is $1100 a month
 
with an amazing 7k detuctable lol
 
but SNC plans are amazing. I have a low dedictible, dental, vision, next to nothing for prescriptions, and a $25 ER cost
 
@HatterisMad as a single person???
 
it cant be truly free ever, since someone has to pay for it
 
9:16 PM
I've never seen it that high anywhere I've worked
 
@KendallFrey I don't like the term 'free healthcare'. it's a guaranteed level of basic care, at no point is it free.
 
Obamacare increased the cost of my dads work insurance so much his company cancelled the plans and they all lost their health insurance
 
user2620028
@Loktar yeah, he just retired, so to retain his insurance he has to pay the cobra fee and it ends up being $1100 a month
 
It's done nothing but hurt my family
 
ooh well Cobra is insane.
That's pretty much gap insurance
Doesn't Cobra max out after 6 months?
 
user2620028
9:17 PM
@Loktar he was a laborer so they would end up having to pay the cobra like 4-5 months out of the year because they didn't always have work
 
@SterlingArcher its also helped out tons of families
 
Sure, but at what cost?
AT WHAT COST
 
At what cost to them as well
I've seen real people say it's hurt them
maybe I don't know the right people
 
the affordable care act was an excellent idea, but it doesn't seem to be working out too well. I don't think US should abandon basic healthcare, but try a new approach if it is being done so poorly now
 
Ive seen real people say its helped them
 
9:19 PM
I've been tax penalized, and forced to pay so much for shitty health insurance. Sure it helps some people maybe a lot.. but it screws people who don't need it
 
user2620028
@Loktar im not exactly sure what time limit they have for pre-retirement, i said cobra fee cause i don't know what it is called for his retirement plan. it is essentially priced like the cobra though
 
I mean personally @BenCraig
not internet randoms I guess
 
yeah, my parents live in cali, ive talked to people down there
 
People in Cali make a living trying to feed off others -_-
They have freaking professional homeless people there
 
apparently Obamacare premiums in Cali are going up 13% this year
 
user2620028
9:20 PM
i think the biggest thing to remember is that we do have a large amount of older people in the system and they are the ones that are going to be incurring the most costs, so obviously the younger people are going to be getting screwed by the system to help the older people
 
The affordable care act fails because it does nothing to limit costs on anyone except the most poor that don't pay anything. That's why single payer is a must
 
@Loktar if there will be any obamacare
 
@SterlingArcher that... can't work. I mean, if you don't pay for insurance, until you need it... you're taking out more than you're putting in. a private business can't survive on that, so prices go up.
 
user2620028
thats not the problem however, the problem is the costs of health care procedures, materials, services in the states.
 
btw, have you seen the latest WERD by stephen colbert? It was amazing
 
9:21 PM
@KevinB no no, I didn't have insurance because I was waiting for my jobs to kick in.
I'm not waiting till I need it to get it, that's dumb af
 
The costs of procedures are so high because the insurance companies pay them. If thy started refusing to pay such high costs they could keep costs in check for their customers, but the higher the costs of procedures the higher percentage they get to raise
 
> but it screws people who don't need it
 
There are plenty of scenarios where going without health insurance isn't the worst thing, especially at my age
 
is what i was primarily responding to.
 
9:22 PM
@KevinB well, keep in mind I also said my family lost it's insurance because of Obamacare
Ergo, screwed.
 
I've had insurance my whole life. Now that I am starting to use it, I worry what will happen to my ACA plan.
How did they lose it?
 
@SterlingArcher yeah that fucking sucks man
 
5 mins ago, by Sterling Archer
Obamacare increased the cost of my dads work insurance so much his company cancelled the plans and they all lost their health insurance
 
but you will be able to keep your doctor at least ;)
 
So the company stopped offering insurance? That's dumb
Good thing they can get something onthe exchange, though..
 
9:23 PM
I haven't been to the doctor since my mandatory college physical
 
it's also helped drive more companies to offer only part time
 
user2620028
@SterlingArcher this happens everywhere doesn't it?
 
@Loktar so much this
 
Listening to you guys makes me very appreciative that I live in NZ :/ sounds like a very stressful thing to have to deal with
 
@SterlingArcher I had to wait 3 months for mine to kick in. Pretty terrible.
 
9:24 PM
@HatterisMad no I mean people who choose to be homeless, not forced by life situations
 
user2620028
@SterlingArcher same
 
Yeah it's BS here. "Land of the free" haha yeah right
 
@joshhunt it wasn't before :p
 
I'm scared to even ask where my $500 penalty is going
 
user6438653
Is there something faster than Math.sqrt, perhaps stackoverflow.com/questions/15613553/…
 
9:24 PM
If the people trying to repeal had ANY plan at all, I'd listen.
"you'll be so proud.."
 
Unless that money is directly going to some cancer patient who needs it.. fuck that
 
@Luggage then you aren't listening I guess
 
@Luggage it wasn't bad before it was mandatory
 
Oh?
 
Rand Paul submitted a plan a week or so ago at least
 
9:25 PM
It could be improved, but a complete overhaul costed so much money
 
that's been being worked on for a while
there are other plans out there as well
 
What are they, if not just forcing people to buy private insurance like ACA?
 
of course it's just as decisive but it's a false narrative to claim there are no alternative plans
 
I can't imagine it's single payer..
 
Isn't single payer good?
 
user2620028
9:27 PM
@Loktar then maybe have one plan solidified and discussed before trying to repeal?
 
From my point of view, if I lose my unsubsidized ACA plan, then what.. I have to take a corporate job to get insurance?
 
@Loktar did the ACA make it more stressful?
 
if you lose that plan, do any conditions you have become... pre-existing?
 
@jake depends on who you ask. I think so
 
I don't think so. I think pre-existing just means it was untreated. I've had insurance my whole life.
 
9:28 PM
How about the $70 million estimated dollars used to create the ACA website?
 
but i might be wrong.
 
@KevinB it used to be like that
that was one great thing about Obamacare for sure
 
How much money was lobbied to make sure obamacare was passed?
 
@WATERYMEL0N you can use less accurate taylor expansions of the sqrt
 
@SterlingArcher typical government waste, but not a reason to choose one plan over another.
 
9:28 PM
Obamacare was pushed through completely by dems
 
@Luggage Basically the plot of this gem imdb.com/title/tt1290725
 
it wasn't non partisan so ofc there would be backlash once republicans had control.
 
Typical government waste is costing me money >:(
 
What's the alternative, nothing?
That's the only thing that doesn't have government waste.
 
let the insurance companies insure who they want, of course.
 
user2620028
9:29 PM
@SterlingArcher you know dictatorships usually don't have these problems
 
No insurance for america. You get hurt? Suck it.
Survival of the fittest, fucknuts.
 
well, NHS does work
 
@Loktar it may have been pushed through completely by dems but it's what repubs wanted late 80's/early 90's and what Her Royal Highness Clinton wanted in the 90s as well.
Healthcare isn't something you can just push through though no one really though oh hey stuffs gonna go up if we don't start capping things somehow.
 
I don't care what people wanted 30 years ago, time changes
 
Well we will see what happens this time around I guess
 
9:31 PM
^
I didn't vote, but I sincerely hope for my sake Trump does well
 
I just read a CNN and FOX article on Rand Paul's plan. It only said "allow insurance companies to offer cheap plans". that was the only "how" I could get out of it.
And I missing something
 
Sounds like you're missing the actual plan
 
You could probably glean the plan from that
 
Sounds like just offering major medial only to people that can't afford individual plans without a group.
 
@SterlingArcher and sometimes they don't. you're complaining about times changing right now.
you don't see the irony in that statement?
 
9:34 PM
I found this "a system in which the state, rather than private insurers, pays for all healthcare costs. Single-payer systems may contract for healthcare services from private organizations (as is the case in Canada) or may own and employ healthcare resources and personnel (as is the case in the United Kingdom)." Canada and US compared: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
 
yes, I'm aware what single payer is
it's what we have in Canada
 
Yeah, the irony is I don't agree with it >:(
 
yeah Ron Paul has Libertarian leanings, imgur.com/a/fFG7R is an interesting thought.
 
hi
 
Oh, I was in the dark.
 
9:35 PM
ohhi
 
@SterlingArcher that's fine -- I'm not going to even touch that part of the discussion because I'm not an american. but "I don't like this new shit" -> "fuck off, times change" is contradictory
 
the ACA had an exchange for private companies to sell insurance. If the replacement plan is jsut more private companies offering insurance, the exchange is still valid..
I agree with some republicans about being able to sell insurance over state lines, though.
 
@SterlingArcher Well, living in a country with worse healthcare leads to a worse value of the fitness function. America isn't the fittest, and it won't survive. :)
 
I guess it all comes down to: Why repeal when we can fix. ACA just made it so individuals could buy from a private insurance company. What is wrong about that?
The individual mandate might be against the right's views, but it's almost needed to make it affordable.
 
just end it all, already
 
9:37 PM
Good point.
 
Canada is just above the US lol
5 worst in the world CA is 2nd from last
 
@Loktar um, wat. no
 
lol
 
user6438653
@towco What avout newtons method?
 
9:39 PM
wat?
 
@SterlingArcher I forgot that I dont need to go on imgur when Im in this chat because you'll post everything :p
 
Despite the country’s reputation as a socialized paradise with free health care, Canada was only one rung below the worst performer.

Across the board, it was ranked close to last in nearly every category, though it was especially abhorrent in making their health care safe, timely, or efficient. Its highest ranking, 5th, was ensuring patients could pay for their care.

It spent 10.4 percent of its GDP on health care expenditures in 2014.
lol
 
obviously
 
according to that report.
 
2 hours ago, by jeremy
does anybody know why Handlebars is messing up the context here : http://codepen.io/anon/pen/eggvre
 
9:40 PM
we should ask caprica
!!why Handlebars is messing up the context here : codepen.io/anon/pen/eggvre
 
@towc because you touch yourself at night
 
user6438653
@towc What about newtons method?
 
user6438653
Sorry @Luggage.
 
@Loktar You said Canada was 2nd worst in the world.
 
@WATERYMEL0N if you mean his numerical method for finding zeros, that requires the derivative, and guess what the derivative of sqrt is?
 
9:41 PM
and i just saw a butthole
that's enough imgur for the day
 
@KendallFrey out of the top countries I guess
 
When really Canada is 2nd worst among 11 of the best
 
!!happyanusday
 
@towc That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
it's right below Kenya dude
 
user6438653
9:42 PM
@towc I really don't know? This is what I'm looking at stackoverflow.com/questions/1623375/…
 
@Loktar not much of a plan there, either. Just vague statements about over-regulation.
 
/me jokes I have no idea what system Kenya has in place
 
@SterlingArcher Now to riskyclicker!
 
jesus my eye hurts.
time to go home
 
user6438653
 
9:43 PM
what is this riskyclicker you speak of?
 
@rlemon it's this amazing game created by a wonderful programmer
 
@Loktar from that pdf
 
sounds like we need to copy off of the UK
 
they save a lot of money by ignoring dental
 
but live like french people
 
user6438653
9:44 PM
Google Images of riskyclicker get werid.
 
@rlemon omg lol
 
While I am on the left side of this issue, UK's ratings sound "too good to be true" for a single payer system.
 
user6438653
@jake New Zealands there!
 
riskyclicker.com ohh wow, I found it. thanks @towc this looks like fun
 
it's the best
 
9:46 PM
because NHS collects a lot of money and makes huge deals, that's the gist of it
 
dammit! second image
 
That doesn't explain anything..
 
I think I got a merkin on #7
 
ugh. I was on a roll. 30 clicks before a gonewild post
 
@Jhawins Please don't.
 
user2620028
9:48 PM
i just burst out laughing when i saw what hawins had said
 
@rlemon but wait, do you have to click the cross if it's nsfw?
 
user1596138
Haha
 
@Luggage if they were buying cybernetic arms, they have enough money to buy stock for every insurer for several years, so they go through public procurement and set the terms
 
user6438653
risky clicker 83 and bored.
 
@towc well you should
 
9:50 PM
Lets say I have an Ajax GET call in componentDidMount and I want to poll the data every 5 minutes. What is a good pattern to implement that in React?

I found this option using a mixin which looks ok
 
the idea is I can collect a crapload of data then actually make a game with scoring
 
So I get a new arm chosen years ago and provided by the lowest bidder?
 
@jake yeah CA is 2nd lowest out of those 11
 
@rlemon oooooh. I just kept on pressing the tick
 
like I said right behind Kenya!
 
Lowest unique bidder wins.
 
Prices are just stupid anyway all around, medical prices I mean they are insane
 
indeed.
 
in NE I swear I was paying alomst $500 per dr visit
 
I thought there was meant to be a delay when you pressed the tick, for which it would keep on displaying the image and screwing you up if you're at work, otherwise the cross made you quit instantly. Hence the "risky"
 
9:51 PM
in MI I don't pay more than my copay
it's just dumb there should even be a difference like that
also the fact people look at me oddly when I ask how much X thing will cost
 
@towc the check passes you to the next image, the x clears the screen, but also resets the counter.
 
user2620028
@Loktar this is the only problem we really need to be dealing with right at the moment
 
if you want to see previous images click on history
 
I mean I'm going to be paying for it, I want to know the price before hand damnit
 
user1596138
@Loktar lol dude same
 
user1596138
9:53 PM
> It's for your health doesn't matter
 
I also love how the insurance just denies random tests. Like I want to try to be cheap with my doctor while figuring out what is wrong with me.
 
^ yea
anyway I don't want to give the impression I agree with how things work
 
user2620028
what do you mean by random tests?
 
Insurance annoys the hell out of me in general
 
No, things are dumb now.
 
9:53 PM
@Loktar I remember how stupidly expensive it was over there. Even just going to the GP was, like, $500. In Aus it's $20-$30
 
But being able to buy an insurance plan without going through a large-enough employer is NOT what is wrong.
 
user2620028
my guess was general practitioner
 
General Practitioner (family doctor)
 
yea that sounds about right with what it was for me in NE
 
we call them PCP (Primary Care Physician) in the US.
 
9:54 PM
Don't even get me started on filling perscriptions
 
hah
 
I get my scripts filled at the pharmacy in the grocery store. super handy
 
user2620028
@monners right?! i really liked being able to go to the pharmacy in thailand and get an antibiotic when i had a sinus infection, paying $5 to the pharmicist and solving the problem
 
Would you like brand or gene GENERIC!!!
 
see them when I get there, do my shopping, pick up my drugs on the way out
 
9:55 PM
@rlemon we do that in the US, too.
not special.
 
but handy
not every grocery store has one.
 
user2620028
instead of what i do here in the states whcih is just let it go and eventually my body will fight off the infection after a couple weeks of suffering, or i go to the doctor weeks later much sicker than i needed to be
 
right. same here. Pharmacies (or grocery stores w/ a pharmacy) are common enough.
 
work covers my prescription meds. even when I was working total shit jobs like fast-food when I was younger you still had some very basic coverage for stuff like that (like 60% or something)
 
I don't know what is wrong with me. I have another appointment with a neurologist tomorrow. full body numbness, tingling, and now burning.
 
9:58 PM
don't die
 
I'll try not to.
 
I need React help
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user2620028
nice segue
 

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