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6:01 PM
@rlemon I'm inspired by ymee.us websites. I will make a decision.
 
@Tarson their website blows
one of the only sites I've ever seen lag on this machine
 
@ssube Dude they made like the best WooCommerce site us.robertocoin.com
 
@Tarson what does that site do? What is it for? What is it selling?
They have GB of pictures but no elevator pitch.
 
@ssube I am hiring them for doing WooCommerce Customization $10K
 
@Tarson still loading, 30mb and counting
 
6:05 PM
lolwut
 
oooo 36mb
yea... 36mb website.
 
@Tarson you'd be better off literally burning that money.
 
@rlemon For one page on rebertocoin or ymee?
 
former
 
Their UX is fucking garbage and they should be shut down.
@rlemon the loading bar was a nice touch
 
6:06 PM
I want a website not a TV commercial.
:/
I dislike sites like that
 
I want to do that same header map ymee.us/contact-us seems pretty easy
 
yeah, you fuckin inline a map
 
2mb, loading time of 6 seconds, 112 words.
 
I think there scroll animation with the text is a bit too much
 
:/ sure it looks fancy
but it isn't a 'good site'
 
6:09 PM
Is there a good site?
 
@rlemon I think what there trying to do is show "look at what we can do", they have so much going on
 
@JanDvorak SO manages to deliver a lot of information pretty concisely.
@Tarson yeah, it's a tech demo, not a compelling ecommerce site
and not even a tech demo, just a slideshow
 
@Tarson which appeals to a very naive market
Imo
 
with a site like that, the only thing being sold is the design firm's time
 
@rlemon to be fair, it's initialising the whole application
 
6:11 PM
"application"
 
the largest are the logos, which can be compressed a lot, but will be reused on the next page
 
it's not initializing a goddamn thing
 
I do like it still though the website.
 
that website is run on angular
 
most of the loading occurs after the animations
 
6:12 PM
@rlemon it's a web application
 
like I said, it looks nice, sure. but is it really desired on a production site with actual clients?
 
@ssube and yet it's overrun with help vamps and lack of interest in moderation and the chat rooms are sometimes blossoming with weird creepy photoshops or people who call you annoying because they didn't get a joke and can't forgive you you care for how people speak
 
i'm not defending it, it is what it is
 
@bitten just because they're using angular doesn't mean it's an application
plus, angular takes ms to load, despite being fairly complex
 
@rlemon Yes, it makes it stand out to competitors
 
6:13 PM
@Tarson it does not
everybody has that layout
 
@Tarson eh, that's a hard sell.
 
having a concise layout that actually delivers information makes you stand out
 
too busy is like web2.0 sparkle flash gifs
 
having a slideshow homepage does not
 
stand out isn't always better
Hitler stood out
 
6:14 PM
Which web version are we having now?
 
@JanDvorak xD
 
*do we have
 
@ssube good content = good SEO = standing out
 
@VeronicaDeane Hitler stood mostly in poland
 
oh snap
 
6:14 PM
@rlemon exactly, and pictures are the worst SEO
 
@rlemon counterexample: w3schools
 
gaming SEO can also make you stand out
so ?
 
They have Floating Label inputs, I may do that actually lol
 
@rlemon good content != good seo, good seo = standing out, standing out != good seo
:3
 
then define good SEO
 
6:15 PM
@bitten and a slideshow site has none of those things
 
high ranking on your market's search terms
 
@bitten no.. :P lol, google somewhat works today. Good content will drive you up the search results. you can still game it ofc, no one denies that
 
it's a $5 theme with no SEO that everyone is using
 
When I talked to YMEE I was in conference with like 8 people, they are very multicultural I guess, but people were in LA, NYC, RIO, UK
 
@rlemon heh :P
 
6:16 PM
define "multicultural"
 
@Tarson so?
 
@ssube yeah true, i would always suggest some copy to accompany the slideshow
perhaps a description, even a description that one would have to expand
 
We had people in NYC, SF, austin, and a few other cities
 
@ssube I want to know why the hell people all are all over and not just in NYC, and RIO like the website says
 
most of them were just collecting a paycheck and have since been fired
 
6:18 PM
@ssube They probably contract people that's what I think.
 
racial tolerance doesn't mean you satisfy your quota of minority races
 
@Tarson you're worried about why the shit design firm hired people in random cities?
probably because there are people all over the world able to tweak wordpress themes
 
short answer: because that is where they lived
 
it's super easy to do
 
user2620028
Hey what is up guys
 
6:19 PM
that big block slideshow format is one of the simplest things to put together
 
telecommuting is becoming more popular. people don't actually need to relocate to do a job
 
you can find hundreds of them for wordpress and django and other stuff for $5-20
 
user2620028
Just relocated and i just sat down at my desktop at my new job :P
 
@ssube true story, boss asked me to tweak something wordpress related, I showed him the themeforest market place where people bid on customization jobs. found someone to do like 2 days work for $75
sold!
 
@HatterisMad virtual beer o/
 
6:20 PM
I'd bet very good money that YMEE "firm" just pulls contractors from something like that and collects the extra cash
 
user2620028
@FilipDupanović can i virtually puke after said virtual beer? \o
 
sure, if you virtually drank it
 
user2620028
yeah, just curious cause thats what would happen :(
 
did you hold an imaginary cup and wave at your screen? you can throw up now
 
heh, outsourcing work stuff
why not
 
6:22 PM
I think I've managed to smash my air guitar
 
@KarelG nahh they were more than happy. I have other things to do and if they can get the minor website crap done for super cheap that is a win/win
 
are you not in embedded systems ?
sometimes i am confused that you're like a web dev
 
technically yes, but I do most things programming here
 
@rlemon outsource a hardware guy!
 
@KarelG I think lemon is stacktually confused
 
6:25 PM
why doesn't re-rendering a parent component re-render the children passed to it?
 
maaaybe?
Not necessarily
 
@corvid what library are you using?
 
@FilipDupanović just plain react, I want a parent component that forces an update when the window is re-updated, so I can do <ResizeContainer><div/></ResizeContainer>
 
Reflows are very eager to propagate, but if they don't, you shouldn't need a repaint either
@corvid I don't think you're doing it right
 
oh @rlemon , do you know Matthias Wandel ?
 
6:27 PM
@KarelG I watch his youtube.
I don't, like, know him personally or anything
I think he's not too far of a drive tho.
 
How would you go about doing it? I feel like it SHOULD update its children
 
discovered his channel last weekend. He knows what to do with woodwork
 
ohh if you like fabrication I can send you a good list of subs
 
please don't give those subs or i will end up in a forest, finding a nice tree to make a good wood artwork from it.
 
@corvid mmm, component.forceUpdate() re-renders just that component; other components, unless their element's representation changed, won't get updated in the DOM
 
6:30 PM
much win
 
cute
not all that inventive
 
Wow, debbie downer
Just enjoy a good joke
 
@JanDvorak did you notice the brand :D?
 
Or, you can just enjoy this picture of Billy Ray Cyrus
 
Can you fill me in in who that former guy is?
 
6:34 PM
!!tell JanDvorak wiki con air
 
a decent movie
 
So, LinkedIn CEO's name is Jeff Weiner?
TIL.
 
Not anymore, if they're selling to MS
 
not anymore, now it's Bill Gates
 
6:35 PM
He'll get a nice paycheck and then shown the door
 
inb4 lame adult jokes
 
@ssube Bill Gates?
 
that awful spam machine is here to stay :(
 
Gates doesn't own all shares anymore.
even not the majority
 
why would he ever do that? board pressure?
 
6:37 PM
Is Bill Gates still alive? I thought he wasn't given he no longer rules Microsoft
 
alive and kicking, trying to save the planet
 
from whom?
 
from ourselves
 
mosquitoes
 
not a chance
 
6:38 PM
urine
 
the communicable diseases, hunger and poverty part
 
on either front
Humans don't have the ability to fix that
 
the Gates' have put more of a dent in poverty and hunger than pretty much any other group or person or charity
mostly because the foundation's money goes to science to solve those things, rather than nonsense like airdropping rice
 
How big of a dent?
 
> Good lord. Did anyone expect him to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth - something on the order of "Microsoft threw a POTLOAD of money at me - and I really don't give a rodent's rectum about the fact that most of my employees will be laid off - and that MS - the most hacked OS on the planet - will now be responsible for the security of folks' resumes. I got mine - and everybody else can twist in the wind."
 
6:40 PM
@JanDvorak yes we do
well, for what we are the causes of we do
 
eh, if he didn't spent lots money on charity or sold some of the shares, he could have hit 100 billions i think
 
@ssube word
 
(and we are the causes off the majority)
 
@bitten You've had 6 000 years to prove that. Doesn't seem to be going too well.
 
6:41 PM
@JanDvorak we have the -ability-
nothing more
:p
 
gotcha
 
heh
 
But those who want to change the world can't
 
@JanDvorak too much greed, selfishness, and corruption
too many family heritage and family names at stake
 
I want to change the world, and I have.
not my fault you didn't feel the impact
get on my level
 
6:42 PM
but it's possible to make a different, still
 
@rlemon what did you change?
 
lots of things.
 
was that some Kanye song you were reciting @rlemon?
 
@FilipDupanović no.
 
@rlemon I just did.
 
6:44 PM
Which of these do you feel is one of the most notable ones?
 
Now it makes sense. Wow.
 
if you've got the idea that any changes in the world I've made would be felt by you, then you're mistaken. Maybe they have, maybe they haven't.
 
@JanDvorak vehicular emissions
 
Also, vape smoke. Still better than actual cigs, though.
 
@JanDvorak :P
 
6:45 PM
> vape smoke
oxymoron
the entire point of vaporizers is that it isn't smoke
 
i think being environmentally conscious is a big step that you can make
cutting down on waste is also a big thing that people don't notice
 
OK, I guess water vapor isn't smoke.
 
vape naysh ya'll
 
Ontario government is going to start to limit the number of trash bags you have. which kinda is annoying for me because every week I have two small bags for cat poop/litter -- and they won't let me put it all in one bag because then it is "too heavy"
 
@rlemon I reduced crime on the streets.
 
6:47 PM
@rlemon surely that's something you can bring up?
 
Water smoke
 
I got a job and stayed off the streets.
 
@MadaraUchiha how?
 
@MadaraUchiha but the streets keep calling you back?
 
@bitten nope, they are tinking on the idea of limiting # of bags per household regardless of family size.
 
6:47 PM
@bitten They be callin'
 
@JanDvorak hi
 
which is a joke, a family of 6 is going to make a lot more trash than me and the wife.
 
Plastic bags are so bad for sea turtles
 
especially if they have little ones
 
@MadaraUchiha those nights that you just can't sleep.. all you hear is..
heh
 
6:48 PM
@MadaraUchiha ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
@rlemon damn.. another case of politicians kinda getting it but not really
 
@copy Hello. How's Badger going?
 
there's a law in the netherlands where you can get 5 or so "respected" people together and have a say in the rulings
 
@bitten yea so I'm just going to get REALLY big bags and measure my cat crap to the exact weight limit
 
@JanDvorak those hookah is unhealthy as a common cigarette.
 
6:48 PM
to the smoker
 
@bitten there are a lot of autonomous communities in Europe
 
@rlemon that sucks.. good luck!
 
e-cigs is being restricted too since there is a measurement that it's not healthy either. But you can get it if you want to stop with smoking because it's a helpful tool in the process
 
water filtration doesn't reduce the amount of second hand. :/
not in any concern-able way
 
#Trump2016
 
6:49 PM
#Tramp2016
 
I don't like people who vape because they want to look cool
 
@JanDvorak Good, we're in Prague with her parents
 
Like the ones who try to blow smoke rings and shit
 
We do have a hookah in my office. I've never used it,
 
@Meredith smokers did that first :/
 
6:50 PM
He's on now, he saying ban Radical Islam immigrants. He's not wrong.
 
And nobody likes smokers
 
Guys any idea's why ws.Server doesn't start for me. I can't see anything wrong with my code.
 
@KarelG tbh there is nothing wrong with tobacco
 
@KarelG I'm all for regulations. I would love it if every company had a standard to adhere too. right now I have to trust the company is selling me good batteries, proper clean cotton, etc.
 
@Meredith They seemed to have fun
 
6:50 PM
@Tarson how can you tell when someone is a radical?
 
once you find a good respectable company, it is fine.
 
@Tarson also, the most recent attack, he was born in NYC
 
@bitten do not place food under bridge
 
@rlemon The problem is there's too much at stake
 
6:51 PM
@ssube what do you mean? ^^
 
@bitten Yes, but the religion of radical islam they are against gays, Jewish, Catholic, and Americans.
 
@FilipDupanović it's the process of burning it which is the problem
 
@Meredith also, I can't talk for everyone, but the vast majority of people I know who vape did it first and foremost to quit cigs. not to "look cool". Looking cool was how most of us got hooked on the dirty habit to begin with
 
@Tarson many christians are also against homosexuals, and some are againstjews
 
@bitten don't feed the trolls
 
6:51 PM
@RowanHarley Reduce the problem to "hello world" does it work?
 
Please rate your radical-ness from 1 to 10
 
ok, give me a sec
 
@bitten Yeah, but we don't go shooting up the joints
 
@ssube heh, because that's where the troll lives?
 
Yeah so they started vaping because they wanted to look cool
Transitive property
 
6:52 PM
i didn't realise he was trolling
 
I rate myself 1 but others say 10
 
@Tarson (yes you do)
 
@Tarson what does radical anything have to do with anything else?
 
@Tarson you used to. Remember the 1400s?
 
can't tell if being sarcastic or stupid :/
 
6:52 PM
This isn't the 1400's.
 
@Luggage lol
 
When do I ever say something that isn't sarcastic
 
@KarelG traditionally, I believe it was a much healthier practice
 
let's not talk about inherent racism in a lot of western + us systems, let's not talk about the native americans, let's not talk about slaves, etc.
 
@Meredith tis the internet. always question it :P
 
6:53 PM
if you all want to start a "who's religion blew up more people" war, you'll all get kicked
 
@Tarson Right, you do that in schools, because you have class.
 
-troll bait-
 
@Meredith I'll let you know
 
#DarkHumor
 
smoking tobacco ?
 
6:53 PM
@MadaraUchiha lmao
 
@JanDvorak Yeah girl let me know
 
@ssube how about a calm discussion on that topic?
 
@JanDvorak this is probably not the place
 
@Tarson no you smoke joints, you shoot heroine
 
and from the last few minutes, definitely not the crowd
 
6:54 PM
pleeze
 
@KarelG yes, because the industrial processing has altered the concentration and serum levels
 
Sure.. all religions have backwards views but only one is constantly in the news for mass slaughter and say, very loudly, they they are doing it because of their religion. the whole "christians aren't perfect either" argument is broken.
and I'm no christian.
 
@rlemon I can't wait till we bomb those people then I won't have to deal with them on the phone... lol jk
 
I prefer tying heroines to intricate devices. An active train track will do in a pinch, too.
 
I prefer trying heroine
 
6:55 PM
@Tarson nah brah
 
@Luggage true islam is a dangerous ideology, and so is true christianity
 
Like I don't want to be that guy but christians are responsible for more lgbt deaths than muslims
 
@bitten you want in on the kicks?
 
@FilipDupanović do you know about cigars or cigarillo's ? These are 95+ pure tobacco
 
Like several orders of magnitude more
 
6:55 PM
@Luggage do admit the Crusaders have been doing some really nasty stuff, too
 
@ssube okay i'm done
 
@Meredith wait, I thought you were a girl
 
this still isn't the 1400's
 
I mean
It's a phrase
 
okay
 
6:55 PM
even burning weed releases tar
 
I was like "holy shit how did I read that wrong this entire time"
 
While yes, all religions are responsible for violence, I do believe that some perpetuate more than others, and that's all I have to say on the matter.
 
Did I get banned?
 
@KarelG only a bit, I was reading up on tobacco growth in various regions and how they traditionally dried the leaves and let the nicotine compounds ferment
 
i actually have a math problem that i need working out that can steer this back on topic
 
6:56 PM
Please do
 
@bitten 42
 
@Luggage you'd be surprised.
 
@bitten 7.
 
@Tarson I can't be sure but you appear to be present
 
how did you guys?? ??
 
@FilipDupanović it doesn't matter, you always get tar when you burn a plant.
 
What would I be surprised about?
 
@KarelG you basically get acutely intoxicated with one single cigarette today, no wonder everyone develops an addiction so easily
 
I pisst off a liberal or Bernie supporter lol. I got a short ban
 
@KarelG I'm not sure that's right
 
6:57 PM
@Tarson what is a liberal?
 
Oh joy
 
@Tarson You don't take hints?
 
@Tarson no you said openly ignorant things which were flame baiting, I didn't kick you, but I understand why you were kicked.
 
@Tarson you were kicked for religious flame baiting and should probably stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
6:57 PM
@Luggage It's Islamic year 1436
 
not 1400 then?
 
@ssube I wasn't the only one.
 
@KarelG sure, but in the olden days, the smoking pipes could barely hold any tobacco, the leaves were cut fresh, you'd always carry damp tobacco in a small pouch; it's a completely different product from what people are subscribed to today
 
@Tarson everyone else stopped when they were asked.
 
6:58 PM
you don't know how a person uses a pipe.
my grandad used it
 
@ssube When was it asked?
 
have I?
 
they don't inhale
 
they outhale
 
it only damages their teeth and in some cases the throat
 
6:59 PM
@KarelG tobacco pipes you for sure inhale. if you put the right tobacco in them
 
of course, it replaces the aroma with the repugnant smell of tar
 
is anyone -okay- with maths?
 
but now that tar aggregates in the mouth, causes inflammation on the whole digestive tract
 
@bitten just ask
 
@littlepootis lol'd
 
6:59 PM
@towc is good at maths
 
i have a line, i know it's length, i know it's rotation from the x axis, and i need to find out it's 2 points
 
@KarelG you typically inhale smoking pipe tobacco. At least that's how I was taught.
 

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