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7:00 PM
I use and like vscode, specifically the way it uses a list of open documents rather than tabs.
but i miss the preview scroll thing ST3 has on the right.
 
If you like VSCode, you should check out Atom. It's the app vscode is based on and is far more mature (more languages, plugins, etc).
"based on" to the point where the first release of vscode still had the executable's description set to "atom.exe"
 
@ssube So, this girl that I got a date with is actually going to school up in Duluth, so I actually have an excuse to drive up there, which is awesome, since I love Duluth.
 
@ndugger what is it with people banging girls from Duluth? Almost everybody I know who intentionally complicates their own love life is dating or sleeping with somebody from Duluth.
is it a city full of dramatic trash or something?
 
@ssube Brutal
 
@ton.yeung fair point
I installed it, it wasn't bad I'm just used to ST
Atom had a bug for me day one.. that still hasn't been fixed
 
crl
7:08 PM
dullhut
 
/me checks status.
 
@Trasiva I'm not really kidding either. I currently know... 3 or 4 people who are banging somebody from Duluth. Every single one of them is constantly freaking out about their relationships and screwing them up by overthinking them.
 
Nah, dude, Duluth is amazing.
 
never been, but it sounds terrible
 
lol, you're not a nature guy, so I understand why you'd think so
 
7:10 PM
@ssube ....interesting.
 
the furthest north I've gone in MN was a few weekends ago when I went for a drive and got up to Wyoming
@ndugger wat. I love the outside sometimes.
 
omfg
too many bugs... in Atom can't even find mine
 
I love the outdoors. Duluth sits beautifully on the shore of lake superior. It's about an hour south of some of our more beautiful state parks.
 
@ton.yeung I hate Visual Studio
too damn heavy/bloated feeling
all of our backend is .net
 
@Loktar VS blows until you stop using it's UI
 
7:11 PM
so we have to have it running pretty much always
 
Duluth also has a pretty awesome downtown area. It can seem pretty hipster at times, though
 
Furthest north I've been was 48.3822° N
 
the project format and the way it swaps variable is super awesome
you can set up a profile of variables and use it in every project and get them to build identically
 
haha
 
@ndugger what does Duluth provide that Minneapolis does not?
bear in mind that I live 5 minutes from a lake and a zoo
 
7:12 PM
1,699 issues for Atom..
that is insane
 
i.imgur.com/Z49ICM1.gifv brovaries just exploded
 
@Loktar it's also one of the top 20 editors from SO's survey
how many open issues do vim and emacs have?
huh, vim on github only has 200
 
VSCode has 1191
 
and it's impossible to tell for emacs
 
in fairness I guess issues !== bugs
 
7:14 PM
because they, of course, use a proprietary bug tracker
probably just postits on stallman's dirty old beard
 
this suggests emacs has somewhere between 300 and 4000
 
<header className="page-header">
I'm buggin out in React land here
 
vim wins, as usual :D
 
7:16 PM
className?
IM FREAKING OUT HERE
 
http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2016/03/10/the-circle-of-code/
CommitStrip
The Circle of Code
CommitStrip
1457637065
 
I think this is my highest voted comment on imgur, to date: imgur.com/gallery/JfbdE/comment/591639534/1?lr=0
 
crl
@ssube some point I'd like to discuss with you, my boss would like that we store users static assets , on folders like users/john/assets/, users/mike82/assets/ where we use user's username, and that user name is also used as a subdomain john.cms.com, mike82.cms.com. I'm a bit unsure about tying subdomains validation and filesystem names validation (which would even depend on OS'es), sure the users folder looks more friendly than user/ab125cd/, but well, maybe you've some ideas
 
@rlemon lol
yeah that takes a bit to get used to
 
@crl eh, so long as you sanitize it, it's a somewhat common pattern. I would use userId instead of username, just for cleanliness, but...
 
7:18 PM
Not a javascript guy, and google isn't turning up any answers. Can one of you tell me why jQuery is seen as bad on SO?
 
@Azulflame Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Pleasedon't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
we don't even use classes here anymore
 
crl
the question is vague, but I wonder how bigger websites store users assets, more like cdn's I guess
 
Radium + inline js styles
 
@Azulflame most of the things jQ can do are built into browsers now and the newer functions are cleaner and faster
 
7:19 PM
@Azulflame most of the problems is was created to solve have been solved in modern browsers. however, some people still like it's simple api.
 
@Loktar yea I think I'll be using classes for a while
lol
 
crl
@ssube the userId (using mongo erm:/) is kinda not beautiful (24bytes)
 
@crl CDNs, yep. Usually something like cdn.com/{userid}/{file-hash}
 
@Azulflame because you find so many applications built with just jQuery and they are really shitty.
 
crl
7:20 PM
I could have a counter for userIds
ok thanks ssube
 
Tons of developers used it improperly
 
@crl what are they now, uuids?
cause UUIDs are the best
 
So what you are saying is that it is something created ~10 years ago, and the functionality is no longer needed?
 
jQuery makes it really easy for someone who knows how to code well do stuff fast, but it also makes it VERY easy for less experienced developers to write shitty code that works.
 
@Azulflame by and large, yeah. There are better options for everything it used to do.
 
crl
7:20 PM
ObjectId("56db1ad59de2e8ca8d483704") // things like that
 
then everyone who has to read and maintain that code gets angry at the other developer AND jQuery
 
However imo JQ 2.0 isn't bad
 
OK. I just wanted to know. I've only seen the stigma associated with it, and not the reasoning behind it
 
it's completely modular
 
thanks for the help
 
7:21 PM
@crl that's the actual unique object ID in mongo, isn't it? You want something that will be stable across a DB nuke/restore.
@Loktar but so are the things that can replace it...
 
@ssube so?
 
@ssube yeah but why learn a new api?
 
crl
@ssube yes their internal _id
 
at that point isnt' it "I like chocolate, you like strawberry"
 
crl
3pings
 
7:22 PM
@Loktar cause jQ's API is ugly
 
subjective
 
I do not like it one bit
 
to you, maybe
 
yep, totally. The selectors are my least favorite, followed closely by how they do events.
Although their Deferred/Promise stuff is actually wrong
 
crl
so ok, not using _id, since it would vary
 
7:23 PM
i hate the promise system (in jQuery)now, and liked it when it first came out. Now it just feels broken, because it doesn't always follow what i'm used to now with js promises.
 
@crl yeah, don't use that. It's internal metadata.
 
Hi, I'm trying to install TypeScript on Viscual Studio Community, I can't figure out how to do this. When I try to create a new file, there is no choice for ts files. Any idea how to fix this ?
 
having a unique id (incrementing or UUID) for each user is a good idea, but if username is your primary key today, I'd just use that for the CDN paths
make sure you ASCII-ify it
 
crl
ah, ok, thanks a lot
 
youtube.com/watch?v=nLS3ejfv-tI 8 DAYS TILL DAREDEVILLLLL
Frank Castle looks like such a badass
 
7:27 PM
@SterlingArcher new season?
 
hell yeah
 
March 18th
 
although I'd rather have a show about the bad guys from s01
 
He takes on the Punisher this season
 
7:27 PM
all three of them were awesome
Daredevil blows, but the bad boss' secretary and gf were great
 
Iunno I think he did a good job
 
I'll make my own tv show
It will be better than daredevil
 
call it Dyson
 
Because it'll suck?
 
yup
 
7:31 PM
I'll call it Dyson because it will make a lot of money and be successful
 
damn right
 
Why is his booger picker on the trigger?
Jesus fucking christ.
 
gun safety is a conspiracy
 
I thought guns were the conspiracy
 
7:34 PM
guns don't kill people, bullets do
 
unless you hit people with the gun
 
trueche'
 
touche?
 
@Loktar thoughts on Factorio?
Looks fun
 
nah, dawg. trueché. True + touché
 
7:36 PM
@KendallFrey it's awesome
@ssube enjoyed it as well iirc
 
yeah, it's pretty sweet
gets crazy complicated real quick. Expand slowly.
 
^
yeah I noticed that too..
 
Think there's any chance of it going on sale soon? :P
 
the last mission in the main campaign has you messing with oil, pretty insane the things you can do
 
Make sure your manufacturing plants are set up in the right spot and you're balancing how you send resources out (splitters are your friend)
 
7:37 PM
@KendallFrey no idea, it is worth $20, but a better price would be better for sure
 
I haven't gotten anywhere near oil in free play yet, still just using steam power
 
oh with oil you don't power anything, you just make plastics, ect.
electricity is the last main power source in it
 
last time I finally got the point where I was producing red and green research bottles
 
you get electric ovens, ect.
 
and steel
 
7:38 PM
hah yeah the green ones are a PITA
since you need to manufacture the arms
 
!!youtube rebel galaxy gameplay
 
they take forever to make. Getting arms wasn't bad, I set up a three-splitter tree and some smart arms, and fed that into a bunch of factories.
 
I still recommend this game
super fun space grinder
 
@rlemon the thing that sounds a bit unappealing is the single plane
 
7:40 PM
you can hire mercs
 
I mean, you are playing on a flat plane
 
ohh yea
you get used to it
annoyed me at first
 
I have found that the best way to handle resources is to combine everything onto a single belt (a junction after your smelters/mines and before your factories), then run it all through 3 splitters (onto 4 belts), then use smart arms to organize things a bit.
 
but within 20 minutes I was okay with it
 
@Loktar so was SPAZ and that game was awesome
 
7:41 PM
well spaze is 2d though
but yeah SPAZ is god danged great
 
yea, I get what you are saying. it should be able to rotate on all axis
 
@ssube explain
 
because there are resources above and below you
but I suppose that also makes it interesting.
 
SPAZ bored the hell out of me in the first 15 minutes
 
Yeah I mean that's just waht I've read in reviews @rlemon
 
7:41 PM
I have to have mining lasers positioned well so I can hit resources above and below me
 
@KendallFrey it gets better as you get a bigger fleet and more ships
 
there are too many $60 games coming out though I need to get :p
 
although it can get boring at times
 
and my rift this month
 
7:42 PM
@Loktar yea. but for $20 it is still a boss game :P
 
when you have 4 big ships, though, SPAZ can be a ton of fun
turns into giant nuke battles against the zombies
 
I haven't gotten super far into rebel galaxy so far. I took a while off the story line to explore
so I'm just now in the second star system
 
I just hit 500 hours in KSP btw
 
i read that as 5000
 
I'm already at 273 :/
in KSP
but if you launch without steam it doesn't record hours
so I feel like Kendall should have more
 
7:45 PM
I do have some from before I bought it I guess
But I still have no idea how anyone has time for several thousand hours in any game
 
because they don't piss about writing code in their other free time
 
I almost never write code anymore :'(
 
github.com/koba04/react-boilerplate/blob/master/app/components/… is this redundant? can someone please explain to me the point of this? just do he doesn't have to call bind later?
 
@rlemon It locks this so no matter how you call it it always has the correct this
Like in C#
 
@rlemon yeah, it's so he can bind once
 
7:51 PM
Neat trick
 
it's better than binding when you set up the event, because you have the bound callback attached to the object (and can unbind later)
 
fuck it all, I'm even too dumb to install debian
 
there is/was a proposal to add an operator for that
 
::
 
no, that's a different kind of binding
 
7:52 PM
No you
 
an operator to auto-bind this on methods
 
!!afk sending pics to @SterlingArcher
 
dick pics
 
like class Foo { ~alwaysThis() { console.log(this); } } would always print the right thing
just so you don't have to bother binding every method by hand
underscore/backbone use(d to use) _.bind or _.bindAll
 
It wasn't a penis
Theeeeere's the penis.
 
7:58 PM
@SterlingArcher that's a sign you need to lose weight
you should be able to find it faster
 
@SterlingArcher but then... what was it?
tentacles?
do you have prehensile pubes?
 
Do I even want to know what that means...
lol I don't, I gotta get back to work I'm swamped
!!afk writing an async waterfall
 
@towc boot fromt he ISO and just hit enter a bunch of times?
 
@Luggage but can't seem to boot from the ISO
 
ugh, I made a huge mistake
 
8:01 PM
I went through the installation 2 times via a VM hoping for something to happen, but nope...
 
instead of making a read project I'm trying to purposly make a dummy one.
 
as in, it works, but only in the VM
 
in a vm? maybe it's a bad image. only need to select the ISO for the CD drive and start it
 
the amount of Foo in this code base is overwhelming now
 
just use windows. linux is for imaginary people
 
8:02 PM
still don't see any option to boot my pc from a usb
 
@towc bios
 
usually you press a key to get a list of devices to boot from
 
it'll be in the boot options, with the usb plugged in, with the boot flag on the usb
del/f2 or f12
 
or f12, or del, or end
 
for all modern pc's
 
8:03 PM
I currently can dual boot from ubuntu to windows
 
haven't seen end in a while
 
and can add other entries, just doesn't seem to work this time..
on, tried all of the fs, not del/f2 tho
let me seee...
brb
 
Are you sure the installation medium is fine? Did an integrity check?
 
your biuos screen likely tells you what to hit to boot from another device
 
@AwalGarg yup
 
8:04 PM
@towc not del + f2
 
also, how did you put it on a usb stick?
 
one or the other
 
even tried using a tool like unetbootin
 
you didn't just copy the ISO, did you?
 
@Luggage no no
 
8:05 PM
does it have the boot flag? open it in gparted
 
@towc run this after inserting the drive on ubuntu and mounting it: sudo fdisk -l | grep '*'
 
ignore him.
just because
 
@Luggage me?
 
Yup. :)
 
explain?
 
8:07 PM
Nope. What's *?
 
@rlemon think so...
 
bootable?
 
boot flag indicator
 
it does seem to have a boot flag, and to be a mounted thing
so I'm pretty sure that's the USB
 
okay then you need to jump into your bios and tell it to boot from the usb
 
8:08 PM
don't see any option like that...
 
umm
 
same place as the options to boot from CD
 
how big is your usb?
sda is a 1TB drive. you sure that is your usb?
 
uhh... a 100meg debian install medium?
 
@rlemon ooooh, ok, no...
 
8:10 PM
so from the top right, select the device you think is the usb
a good indication is the size of the disk
 
or do what awal said. :)
 
learning how to use gparted will benefit him for the future
 
@Luggage best advice ever
 
so will learning fdisk
 
I just typed gparted in my terminal... I guess I need to do some reading
 
8:11 PM
weren't you installing arch linux though?
 
and now my keyboard layout is all messed up, wtf...
@AwalGarg gave up
 
:(
 
I guess that if I have serious trouble installing debian, arch will be impossible
ok, brb, dinner
 
insert arch medium and get to shell, run echo 'EnableRootLogin yes' > /etc/ssh/sshd_config, get ip from ipconfig and ask some pro here to do the install for you :D
also systemctl restart sshd
 
on the same port?
is webpack making the index.html or is it static?
then you can have as many as you want.
yes
you asked for two instances.
 
8:33 PM
so these people are making a cat exploration game: hk-devblog.com/2015/10/24/its-alive-2
you are the cat
 
damn, I would totally play this game
 
i.imgur.com/D1GD3kW.gifv damn, I would totally play this game
 
dude with the side part knew what was gonna happen
 
@SterlingArcher Pistol whipping them gets the best points if you're cheating.
@SterlingArcher It works until you have a hangnail and it catches on the sock. Bye bye nail!
 
8:39 PM
how do you blame a removed file in git?
 
point your finger at it
 
thank you Duchess, very helpful
 
I am trying out to do a cors get request. But I am getting the following error message:
No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource. Origin 'null' is therefore not allowed access.
I find that confusing. Because I can just type the url of the get request into my browser and it spits out the data I want...
 
Don't make me get graded sand
 
...coarse
 
8:41 PM
pun of the week, folks
 
@Schoening because that isn't a cross origin request
typing it into the address bar is a new request with no origin
 
@Schoening did you google the error? There's a difference between a request, and physically accessing the domain
 
I did try to google it yeah. I just did not find any answer to why it would work in the browser
 
because it isn't cross domain :P
 
Thx @rlemon
 
8:42 PM
you are not on X trying to access Y
 
!!^
No fuck
 
yiss
 
Every time...
 
8:43 PM
love that monkey
 
I mean.. I am sorta x trying to get y, arent I?
 
@Schoening nope
that is the referring domain, not the domain you are trying to access on
on !== from
 
@Schoening no, if you're typing google.com into your address bar, you're not Y getting X. You're just on X.
 
I love that image
makes me so happy
 
@Loktar they are legal pets in the USA and Canada
 
8:44 PM
Ah okay!
 
hard to keep for
but allowed.
but like very hard to keep for. most people say it is cruel to try
 
ok, back
 
@Loktar okay, scraping that stupid pointless demo. would this be a good thing to 'learn' react on --- I need an app that allows the user to hit a button then gets values from the server every ~1second populating a graph for 2.5 hours then dumps to a report and sets back up
or should I just make a TODO app :P ?
 
@AwalGarg actually fuck it, I need to learn more about everything
 
is it even possible to git blame the removal of a file?
 
8:47 PM
@rlemon idk, personally for me the best way I learn is forcing myself to use it for an important project
a todo app wouldn't be bad either though
 
I'm trying out electron for the first time. Super simple api so far
 
well this isn't "important" but it is something we need done
just a simple logger
but with a display
 
I would learn it without react-router and all of that for now
 
lol but I'm starting to "get" that
 
haha
 
8:49 PM
I've been going at it now for a couple days
like I got stuff working... but it is a pointless app and I keep being reminded it does nothing
spits out randomly generated numbers
like.. does NOTHING :P
 
well now you have a bit of working knowlege :P
 
@rlemon React really shines when you have a complex app with a lot of different parts, and you don't want to both coupling your data with what particular DOM nodes you need to update
Say, a live dashboard that gets a feed from a websocket.
So far example, you can make a Caprica backend with node+react
 
yea I have a dashboard I need to write with it
I'm trying to think of a still-worth-my-time project to write that is smaller first so I can get a full project done before I take on the super large one
 
Coworker of mine used react to visualize Java unit tests run by Jenkins
It's tens..hundreds of tests per second, and the page runs pretty smoothly at 30fps
 
The server I am doing a cors get request to is supposed to be open to everyone to request the data. So since I get the "No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header" this is the fault of the server not being configured like they said?
 
8:57 PM
Pretty awesome
 
@MadaraUchiha I would like to spoon on this project please.
 
@Schoening depends. what are you trying to access
 
@Trasiva It's closed source, sadly.
Did it in-house for our test visualization
 
@MadaraUchiha Fine, pick a project we can spoon on then.
 
@rlemon some json data
 
8:59 PM
from where?
 

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