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8:00 PM
"Mom says Santa insulted her son".
A mom says her son was left in tears after being fat-shamed by a Santa.
 
@Luggage ever have issues where babel outputs some weird stuff?
> TypeError: Router.use() requires middleware function but got a Object
var _api = require('./api');
var _api2 = _interopRequireDefault(_api);
....

app.use('/api', _api2.default); <- bitches here
rebuild and it's fine
 
Is not hypocritical to be celebrating Xmas but not be a Christian?
 
Christmas was a pagan holiday to begin with
so not really, no
 
"Paganism is a term that first arose among the Christian community"
So it's still Christian at the core, but it seems a little odd that so many people celebrate Xmas, but are not Christian themselves.
 
maybe read the rest of the sentence you pulled that from
you're the worst type of cherry picker
 
8:04 PM
Just because the term paganism came about by christians doesn't mean that pagans are christians...
your logic is really shit
 
> Paganism is a term that first arose among the Christian community of southern Europe during late antiquity as a descriptor of religions other than their own, or the related Abrahamic religions; i.e., Judaism and Islam.
full quote
 
"pagan" is just a word Christianity invented to be shitty to everybody else
 
^
 
So if Christmas is not Christian based, what exactly is it based on?
 
christmas is a holiday, you don't have to be a certain religion to celebrate a holiday
 
8:06 PM
It's got Christ in the damn name, so if we're gonna play like that, let's at least change the word.
 
Christmas is the Christian replacement for all of the winter holidays, like yule.
 
why?
what would that solve
 
> Although the dating as December 25 predates pagan influence, the later development of Christmas as a festival includes elements of the Roman feast of the Saturnalia and the birthday of Mithra as described in the Roman cult of Mithraism.
 
@AmericanSlime outside of Christianity, winter solstice festival
 
Christmas or Christmas Day (Old English: CrÄ«stesmæsse, meaning "Christ's Mass") is an annual festival commemorating the birth of Jesus Christ, observed most commonly on December 25 as a religious and cultural celebration among billions of people around the world. A feast central to the Christian liturgical year, it is prepared for by the season of Advent or the Nativity Fast and initiates the season of Christmastide, which historically in the West lasts twelve days and culminates on Twelfth Night; in some traditions, Christmastide includes an Octave. Christmas Day is a public holiday in many of...
 
8:07 PM
there are a solid dozen holidays during late Dec/early Jan that Christmas was strategically placed to cover up and hide
 
This is one of those things that people seem to have very strong opinions about, and care about deeply, but I just can't seem to be able to give a fuck what they call it :P
 
Now days it's less about the relgion and more about $$ anyway
 
> One theory to explain the choice of December 25 for the celebration of the birth of Jesus is that the purpose was to Christianize the pagan festival in Rome of the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti
 
@ssube it was a festival on dec 25th before it was decided to be celebrated as the birthday of jesus
 
all of those other winter holidays are way more fun and better
 
8:08 PM
> The first recorded date of Christmas being celebrated on December 25th was in 336, during the time of the Roman Emperor Constantine (he was the first Christian Roman Emperor). A few years later, Pope Julius I officially declared that the birth of Jesus would be celebrated on the 25th December.
 
I love Christmas; sitting in the dark with the lit up tree is one of the most calming things I do. I think it reminds me of childhood.
 
as much as I hate it, the music is really catchy
I'll be humming jingle bells till june
 
I'm just questioning why I even celebrate Christmas if I don't identity as Christian.
 
I have a small blue christmas tree with pink ornaments in the basement, but will probably spend more time on some randomly selected pagan holiday.
 
I've learned to accept christmas music... I used to loathe it
 
8:09 PM
@Waxi because everyone else does an you dont' want to feel left out.
 
But from what yall are saying, it's just a giant bucket to capture all 'winter festivals'.
 
user2620028
@ndugger you have fallen and will receive no burial
 
@AmericanSlime no, it was made up with malicious intent to replace them, so that Christianity could stamp out the existing cultures and violently enforce their own.
 
@AmericanSlime no, it's Christianity trying to take over all the other festivals and making it all about their prophet.
 
I don't want a burial. I don't even want a funeral. Just throw me in a ditch and move on with your lives.
When I die, my body will be meaningless; no reason to celebrate it.
 
8:11 PM
when I die, take all the organs that still work; burn the rest.
 
user2620028
I have several family members that have be found that way
 
@ssube @rlemon You guys may have ruined the magic for me.
 
I want a viking ceremony when I die. Set me off in a wooden row boat and fire a flaming arrow into it.
 
@rlemon just curious why are you using require and export at the same time?
 
8:12 PM
@Abhishrek I'm not
> ever have issues where babel outputs some weird stuff?
 
How are you exporting and importing the api
<Paste uncompiled code>
 
this is after compilation
and it is clearly some race condition in gulp or babel
rebuilding fixes the problem
my pre-compiled code is fine
 
Never had this occur to me
 
do a MCVE and patch babel
get your name on that shit
 
I could just keep building till I have two snapshots. one of it failing and one of it not
but that seems like it would require work
 
8:15 PM
do you use a target directory or something for your output?
 
the module is found. it's exporting it incorrectly.
haven't looked too much into it yet
 
cause you could git init that directory and then just loop gulp &&test-for-bad-export&& git commit
keep running it until it fails, use git to snapshot both, then diff
or just see if it generates different code each time, that would be interesting too
 
gulp -- module (ignore the module code, I just pushed a WIP file)
1/5 builds it fails.
"builds" === the watch flag sees a file changed
 
I've had issues with gulp and babel in the past where I had to build twice in order for it to work, but I think that was just me being retarded
 
I don't trust watches, had too many problems with them.
 
8:21 PM
Yeah, I don't use watches either
 
that's why I think it's some weird race condition
 
I stopped using them a while back
 
saves me a couple keystrokes.
most of the time *
 
Watches are the shit...c'mon now.
 
no
 
8:22 PM
Taking out your cell phone to check the time doesn't feel right.
 
neither does cranking your arm around so you can see your wrist
 
I think that's a little melodramatic how you described it lol.
 
just know the time already
 
@AmericanSlime Well, compared to alternative of merely rotating your eyeballs, it's a proper PITA
 
I only wear a watch if I'm in a situation where I know I won't have my phone, or there will not be accessible charging
like camping
or similar
 
8:26 PM
Do you even know how to wear a watch? You literally look at your wrist and you have the time. Otherwise you have to fumble with your pocket, waste your battery, and not look cool doing it.
And watches are one of the few accessories a man can have, so it's a missed opportunity not to be using one.
 
no one thinks you're cool looking at your Casio
 
I'd even sport a pocket watch if I could.
 
are you @SterlingArcher in disguise?
 
8:29 PM
What about chain wallets, are those not cool?
Watches should be practical, not some flashy look at me piece, imo.
 
I don't need accessories to pick up women, I just show them my cheevos
 
!!s/v/t/
 
@ndugger I don't need accessories to pick up women, I just show them my cheetos (source)
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We have this hipster store downtown that makes watches and bicycles.
They were looking to hire a front-end developer...undecided yet.
I feel I might be going backwards if I go back to the front side.
 
hmm... dunno how i feel about working as a webdev for a private retail shop
 
8:34 PM
If the pay was good, and the benefits were sound, I think I'd love it
 
I think the position was posted at 80-90k salary, which to me, sounds great for a front-end guy.
 
@AmericanSlime That's pretty standard for a mid-level front end developer
I think your idea of what back end vs front end are completely skewed
 
full stack is where it's at
 
on the surface, to me, that doesn't sound very secure. guess it depends on the company itself. I could see someone higher up thinking "Oh hey, a friend showed me this cool site called 'Wix' that we can use to build the site ourselves and save money on front-end devs!"
 
@rlemon That term apparently has fallen out of flavor?
 
8:36 PM
not at all
 
never will
 
@KevinB If you're doing such a shitty job that you could be replaced by wix, you deserve to lose your job
 
yeah, but people who aren't devs don't know the difference half the time.
 
@AmericanSlime Especially not at startups, where saving money is super important
 
they just look at the pretty pictures
 
8:37 PM
if anything, I'd think full stack devs are in higher demand now than they were before
the line between front and back ends are blurring
 
Hmmm, but you want specialization though?
@ndugger Yeah startups seem to be the only ones looking for full stack, but other places want people with specific skills.
 
full stack is a skill.
 
I don't think it is.
 
user2620028
how many times have you guys seen a job posting that wanted a full stack developer to "design their website in photoshop"
 
lol
Job postings are sometimes hard to look at. Typically have HR writing things they know noting about and it just comes off so bad.
 
8:42 PM
@AmericanSlime that's because full stack isn't a real thing
 
of course it is a thing. it just isn't defined because the "stack" isn't defined.
ergo, it gets defined per position
 
so it's intentionally vague to the point of being arbitrary? :P
 
The universal definition is someone that can operate alone from start to finish, using whatever technologies deemed necessary in his stack?
 
it's describing someone who handles the entire SDLC
 
looks like there's a major security flaw in the latest chrome and (what I think is) webgl...
 
8:43 PM
not just one part of it
 
Does anyone know something like jsfiddle/codepen where commonjs modules can be used?
 
browsing through codepen's front page in debian (chrome), I stumbled onto a preview of a pen that made my screen go soooo very weird
 
@towc did it go black?
because i've had that on webgl applications the last 24 hours :l
 
first time it happened, it also corrupted my monospace regular, which is why I asked for a new font
 
ofc it depends on the stack, but it's easy to be full stack with something "like" wordpress, bootstrap, and so on, where most of the heavy lifting is done for you
 
8:45 PM
@bitten no, it's as if the screen was fragmented really badly
 
@towc or it just crashed your video driver
 
@towc oh rip
 
that's fairly common without whatever janky setup you have
 
I read you can't call yourself a web developer until you understand the HTTP protocol and things like it, so I'm out of the running on that one.
 
and who knows which flavour of linux towc's chosen to install :3
 
8:46 PM
@ssube no, I could still do everything. My cursor was crystal clear and I could move it and all, and behind it I could sort of see what I normally see, but it's as if pixels where shuffled with nearby ones
 
@AmericanSlime I think you might be a little bit retarded
 
@bitten and how badly he messed it up
 
@towc yeah, that's not unusual
 
wait, I'll try to recreat
 
@ndugger Haha why? It seemed like a legitimate requirement, knowing how the internet works.
 
8:46 PM
anyway, I found this in dmesg:
 
it just means the render got funny, probably bad memory stuff
 
@AmericanSlime you're a good troll lol
 
@AmericanSlime do you need to know how a car runs to design the interior?
 
@AmericanSlime Your views are unrealistic and your logic is often wrong
 
@rlemon :,)
he's my friend
 
8:48 PM
WHAT?!
 
@Jhawins I'm gonna stay in MN. Hopefully find another job close by again. I really, really don't want to move again
 
not sure if it was related, but it was the last thing in my dmesg
 
> GPU softreset
yeah, looks related
also looks like something that happens all the time with any kind of bad graphics code
crashing a GPU is not hard
 
OK I see what you guys are saying, but now that the seed is in my head, I feel bad not knowing the HTTP protocol.
 
and I guess that's the only thing that could have caused it, which also makes sense because I was browsing pens (happened twice, same pen) they could likely have had webgl on them which communicated with the gpu obv
 
8:49 PM
hell, I used to near-brick GPUs by allocating textures and SIGKILL-ing the process
it used to be that was enough to crash the driver so well that it wouldn't soft reset, you had to hard power cycle
 
You can't call yourself a web developer until you understand why mongodb is webscale
 
should I attempt filing a bug report? And if so, do I do it on both the page for my computer's driver code, debian, the gpu manufacturers, and chrome?
 
lol
 
You can't call yourself a web developer until htm is basic for java
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that's the absurd idea
 
8:51 PM
reproduce it on a clean system before you start telling other people they broke things
 
but that takes time and effort so I'll let others do it
 
@david Never heard of the term webscale until now, gonna have to read on that.
 
You can't call yourself a web developer until you can use python to determine whether or not your girlfriend gave you a disease
 
You can't call yourself a satellite developer until you've spilled at least 2 cubic meters of Goldfish
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@SterlingArcher ^
 
8:53 PM
I fell for these shenanigans.
 
People really feel the need to show-off the knowledge they believe they have. I was in a meeting talking about this software I'm making and I was asked what database I used, so I said MySQL, and someone else had to chime in with "oh yeah, I know all about that and SQL programming".
 
oh the irony
 
@towc Somehow I had a feeling that would be SethBling
 
the guy is just too amazing
 
8:58 PM
 
the ideas, not necessarily the implementations
 
@rlemon :seenoevilmonkeyemojiface:
 

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