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5:00 PM
Everybody uses MySQL and there isn't much you can do about that.
 
Then who cares what nerds frown upon :P
 
@Loktar :(
 
My Go-To is postgres and then sql server
 
We're moving to Oracle DB soon.
 
lol you're fucked
 
5:02 PM
Please expand.
 
most of my expoerience is actually SQLServer, which I like. Also it can run on linux now (or soon).
But I haven't regretted using postgres, yet.
 
Oracle and IBM databases are for government contractors or dying companies (not sure there's a difference, just listing both for completeness).
 
I think Oracle used to be the more featureful of them, compared to MSSQL.
 
MSSQL is ugly in spots but it seems to work well.
 
I know little about DB2
 
5:04 PM
We're moving to a new ERP system which uses Oracle as their DB. We do government work so you nailed it there. Actually, we might be dying too so double points for you.
 
Oracle: We run your business. Into the ground.
 
When you first buy software from Oracle, they give you a whistle. You'll use it when they come back to do their license check.
 
lol
I didn't know Oracle was hated, have zero experience with them.
 
Ohh, we hate lots of things.
 
5:07 PM
they might be the most hated software company
 
Don't you hate pants?!
 
Sometimes it's even justified.
 
oracle is down there with comcast
 
Comcast is straight awful, agreed.
 
gay awful, even
 
5:10 PM
cis awful, too, they've always been that bad
 
hehe
 
@AmericanSlime Pick a technology, it's all bad
except anything made by AMD
 
@Loktar VR is bad
and dumb
 
2D is bad and dumb!
2D is a gimmick! :p
lol I hate when (VR people) refer to normal games as "2d" now
 
I thought VR was stupid until I recently saw a video of some dude strapped to this machine where he could walk in place. He was in FPS game, but it looked legit. He was carrying a gun and everything.
 
5:12 PM
normal games are 3D
2D is reserved for good games
 
@AmericanSlime yeah VR is badass but you can't convey that to people
they have to experience it
 
also, I started playing Rainbow Six Siege last night, it's pretty good so far
not as tactical as the older ones, but much better than the recent installments
 
nice, yeah another friend of mine is really into that
 
@Loktar +1 on the cringe meter.
 
hard af by yourself, my roommate and I are going to start playing coop so we can do the clear left/clear right bit
 
5:13 PM
nice
 
not as nintendo hard as the original Rainbow Six, though
 
yeah that's what he was saying too lol
 
@AmericanSlime VR is fantastic for vehicle simulators
 
he was trying to get me to get it
 
no 25 second missions with 19 kills
 
5:13 PM
There are things VR isn't good at yet
 
but the AI is really good
 
user2620028
@loktar considering the games 2d games are experienced over time wouldn't they be 4d?
 
@KendallFrey or just things it's wasted on imo
 
like, will semi-accurately shoot you through walls if they saw you run and hide
 
open world / roaming simulators
 
user2620028
5:14 PM
what is the conceptually correct way to categorize that
 
@Loktar I watched a 3D movie in the Rift once. Can confirm.
 
no VR GTA5?
 
I don't feel compelled to buy into VR and I'm not sure if I ever will, but maybe like yall said, it's one of those things that need to be experienced. I'm sure watching other people doesn't do it any justice.
R6 : Siege is a solid game.
 
I wanna see BF1 in VR
 
@Luggage not yet
 
5:15 PM
but it's way too pretty for that
 
it'll (probably) happen
 
I'd love to fly helicopters in arma 3 in VR, but no way arma is reliable enough in FPS for that to not cause vomiting.
 
Yeah driving/flying vehicles in VR sounds fun.
 
if you have BF4 and a Kinect, it will already let you use head control for looking around
moving your head is almost like VR
 
@ssube you shut your piehole
 
5:18 PM
@AmericanSlime FOR SURE has to be experienced
but not shitty phone VR
 
jesus no
 
VR with roomscale + motion controls
I can't wait to hear what you think with touch @KendallFrey
 
My kinect has been disconnected since the day I unboxed my Xbone.
 
I think VR is pretty much what it says on the tin
 
I don't know anybody that has a proper VR setup. Is there places you can go to test it?
 
5:19 PM
If you aren't impressed by the idea of being able to look around and see everything in realistic 3D, then VR probably isn't for you
 
yeah, some microcenters and bestbuys have it setup
 
@KendallFrey meh, been doing that for years
 
my fav thing to do with it is to demo it.
@ssube it's not like head tracking
 
when you walk outside, things are super realistic
 
Also, that argument is old
 
5:19 PM
hahah
 
@Loktar I mean in real life
 
yeah I gotcha lol
 
VR isn't a replacement for the real world. It's an add-on.
 
I'm determined to just make fun of you guys until I eventually get a hololens.
 
VR vs. AR
 
5:20 PM
hololens is awesome sounding, but waiting for a higher FOV
@AmericanSlime AR is going to be fucking amazing. I think the line will blur between them
imagine repainting a room in your house in realtime
shit like that will be awesome
 
by the time I get a hololens, everything else in my house will be smart, so hopefully they start integrating it with stuff
 
It would cost me millions or billions of dollars to fly to Mars and see a rover, but it only cost me a few thousand to do it virtually
plus all the other stuff I can do, obviously
 
I might be able to molest @KendallFrey in VR
can't do that IRL without a bigger investment
 
but he'll be dressed up as an anime girl
 
@Loktar Apparently MS is planning on marketing HoloLens for industrial applications, not gaming
@Loktar how awesome would that be
 
5:22 PM
@KendallFrey which is a way more viable market for VR/AR
 
@KendallFrey yeah I can see that for sure, gaming might be a bit gimmicky
 
@KendallFrey Everyone is saying the VR Google Earth is pretty incredible.
 
imagine the oil industry or anything with 3D imaging using AR
 
I feel like right now the tech is ahead and devs need to catch up
 
oh shit yeah I have to remember to try that
 
5:22 PM
medicine, mining, all that shit can put up 3D maps to work with
 
@ssube I want KSP with AR
 
when i see AR i think about that video MS released years ago showing what it'd be like to play minecraft on a coffee table.
 
hah
 
@KendallFrey what would that do?
 
even VR KSP would be cool
 
5:23 PM
@KevinB have you seen the one where they build a drone out of KSP/Spore blocks in mid air, paint it, then fly it?
 
@ssube just sit at a table and build a rocket
 
Yeah I hoped they would
 
nah
 
doesn't need to be first-person
 
@Loktar oh, and then launch it in the actual game?
 
5:23 PM
haven't really looked at it at all since then
 
it would be great for building stuff
 
maybe, or the glasses go dark and you're in VR
 
@ssube launch it off your desk
 
we have an AR device that might get used at namm this year
quality kinda sucks tho
 
I'd like to see that happen VR and AR merge
 
5:23 PM
@Loktar Is that something HL can do?
 
@KendallFrey I dont think so
 
@KendallFrey construction paper m8
 
but that would be badass
 
@ssube ._.
 
How come hologram technology is still stuck in the 90's it seems?
 
5:24 PM
it's totally something they could add later
 
AVR, Augmented Virtual Reality
 
I would have expected that to be a lot better than it is.
 
@AmericanSlime uh, did you miss the part where we're talking about hololens right now?
 
just make the outer shell of the lens out of one of the electrically opaque plastics
block out the long view when you need to use VR
 
@KendallFrey Ah is that what hololens is? Time to look it up!
 
5:25 PM
my main issue with hololens right now
 
definitely
 
once its your entire fov or close it will be SO AWESOME
 
@AmericanSlime This is a god damn thing you can buy now
https://www.amazon.com/Litiholo-Hologram-Kit-Holograms-Instant/dp/B0052T79FS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481131518&sr=8-1
 
@Hypersapien that's cool but sort of meh
 
@Hypersapien that is 90's tech
 
5:26 PM
Yeah, but buy how much did it cost in the 90s?
 
yeah that's the kind of stuff you'd see at haunted houses
 
Probably thousands
 
the TV with the curved lense + mirror
 
I never quite figured out if HoloLens is a real hologram
 
You shouldn't have to wear a device to experience the hologram, then it's just AR at that point, right?
 
5:27 PM
yeah what constitutes a real one?
dude imagine if it becomes popular/normal.. and how empty life might feel when you take them off lol
 
A proper hologram should stand on it's own without you needing any accessories.
 
> Shit... all my friends don't actually exist
 
@Loktar using holography?
@AmericanSlime That's not a hologram
 
@KendallFrey isn't it just google glass?
 
@ssube 100x better
it can scan the walls/environment and map things to them directly
 
5:29 PM
@Loktar How is that different to now?
 
@KendallFrey oooooh snap
 
I wanna see movie holograms, a little puck that is projecting into your space and everyone can see it from all angles. Where the eff is that technology at?
 
right now I dont even pretend to have friends :(
 
@Loktar isn't that a kinect depth camera, essentially?
it's google glass but larger, for better picture and stability, then part of the kinect for proper depth projecting
 
@ssube yeah I think so, not sure how it works but was watching a demo and it looked fucking awesome
 
5:30 PM
@AmericanSlime 1) That's not a hologram, and everyone that calls it that is misinformed. 2) That's quite a bit beyond current tech.
 
google glass iirc was just a 2d display in your vision
 
the cameras they have in the kinect work really well
 
I mean like.. just static type stuff
 
@Loktar well, because it was only one eye
 
@KendallFrey What is that called?
 
5:30 PM
no actual environment interaction or anything
so like strapping an lcd to your eye lol
 
@AmericanSlime Nothing, because it doesn't exist
 
We have no way of making light come from nothing
which would be required for such a thing
 
brain implants a la black mirror
AR
 
that makes me wonder...
 
5:32 PM
if you already have one?
 
no Kendall
 
or if you're just a brain in a jar?
 
Since we'd be trying to create the illusion of 3D objects, wouldn't it be best to plug into the part of the brain that deals with spatial awareness, instead of vision?
 
he's going to try some at-home brain implant procedure
 
So you could experience something without seeing it
 
5:33 PM
Is there any difference besides readability from this:
var exec=require('child_process').exec;exec('echo "One liner."',function(error,stdout,stderr){if(!stderr){console.log('['+stdout.replace(/\r?\n|\r/g,'')+']')}else{console.log(stderr)}});
To writing it line by line?
 
@KendallFrey and freak people the fuck out when ghosts start bumping into them
plus we like to fill in spatial information from our vision
 
@KarmaDoe yeah, one you should use the other you shouldn't. because it isn't readable.
 
@ssube I've kind of been wishing I had an extra sense, such as a device which takes visual information and converts it to audio
 
So, no.
 
I wonder how long it would take me to be able to see with my eyes closed
 
5:35 PM
@KendallFrey there's a ted talk on that
 
@KendallFrey All three of them ?
 
I bet I've seen that at some point
 
@KarmaDoe Only readability
Also, automatic semicolon insertion, but you shouldn't rely on it anyway
 
Thanks Uchiha
 
5:35 PM
@KarmaDoe one-eyed snake is blind
 
That's not what i ment, lol
 
There have been experiments with making images appear in midair, not projecting on anything. So far it's fairly primitive, just a series of dots.
 
Have pleasant day everyone.
 
@Shmiddty yep, I'd recognize that outfit anywhere
 
You know who has a fucking amazing outfit?
my boy Tai Lopez and KNAWLEDGE
His tedx talk was one of the best I've ever watched
 
5:37 PM
omfg you stop that
 
@KarmaDoe no valid reason to manually minify code.
 
@Luggage console testing one liners, perhaps ?
 
meh..
 
Here's something from five years ago popsci.com/technology/article/2011-11/…
 
@Luggage code golf
 
5:38 PM
If you say it's better not to do it, ill take it in consideration
 
I'm saying it's wrong TO do it.
You are expending effort only to cause more effort in the future. A lose-lose.
 
If it would cost me more effort, i wouldn't do it in the first place
 
harder to read === more effort
 
Easier to write, for me at least
But yes, i get the point.
 
There is a reason all the good programmers prefer clean code and the noobs all have the hard-to-read piles.
You want your brain thinking about what the code is doing, not playing find-the-matching-brace.
 
5:41 PM
Anyone do AoC day 7?
 
Unless you just have a lot of spare processing power over me.
 
That's a bs game to play.
 
find-the-matching-brace? I agree.
 
specially when the code is longer than the screen
@TristanWiley Age of Conqueros, AOE II expansion ?
 
Advent of Code
 
5:45 PM
Oh GOD, the easter bunny stole the stars.
 
did the stars ever really exist?
 
@KevinB When i get a text from an unknown number asking who am I, i reply:
"That's what i'd like to know in this lifetime."
 
I can't imagine a world without syntax color highlighting. I seriously can't believe there was a time where everything was just black and you had to look at the symbols.
Someone sent me some code last night asking for help and my editor didn't recognize it so nothing was colored, almost hurt someone trying to digest what I was looking at.
 
people still use such editors to this day
 
I don't get how though...I could never ever ever go back to that.
 
5:53 PM
Some Hashkell editors don't color syntax, but whats within a given monad i believe.
 
my editors have colors about half the time
on the server, it typically doesn't or I have it disabled
 
That's one thing I can definitely say has increased my productivity. It's just so nice to look at something and know what every piece is without actually reading any of it.
Or maybe I'm just a noob and using it like a crutch.
 
It's that time again; updated my resume docs.google.com/document/d/…
 
syntax highlighting + coding style guide = ability to skim code
 
@ndugger I always put my languages and tech list near the top, before experience typically. Really emphasis that shit.
 
5:55 PM
@ndugger I know content is king, but this thing is ugly to look at.
 
@AmericanSlime I actually get a shit ton of interviews with this format/layout
 
@AmericanSlime It's something you acquire, code comprehension without aid. But you're right that highlighting is indeed helpful
 
@ssube I'll do that
 
@AmericanSlime I literally typed my resume into word with no formatting besides three headers and got called back for every position I applied to.
 
@ndugger I would put freelance before skills, as i take like a job experience cont.
 
5:56 PM
@AmericanSlime That's not what yo mama said
 
@KarmaDoe Yeah, but it's the least important piece of information on the entire thing
I only included it because it buffers my years of experience
 
But it's still related
 
least important
 
Programmers don't have an eye for design so they can't appreciate a nice looking resume. ;)
 
You unrelate content based on importance.
 
5:58 PM
@AmericanSlime I was a very skilled designer before I was a programmer
 
yea, those two don't correlate
 
@KarmaDoe In this case, I'll stick with my decision to keep it at the bottom
 
That's a weird way to do things, but if it works for you, go ahead
 
@ndugger And you don't feel the least bit bad about making your resume look so basic?
 
@AmericanSlime No, in fact, as someone who has hired other developers, I prefer to look at just simple text and facts
Tell me what you know, not how pretty you can make a document
 
5:59 PM
yea, graphs, pictures, etc. I don't care about that unless you're applying for an arts position which requires a full portfolio
 
the most formatting you should have is a table for skills and a different font for headers
 
your cv shouldn't be all deco'd out imo
 
you just look like an ass if you make it all pretty and I'm not here to hire sales
 
Does anyone know if there's a way to treat a div with inner text like a disabled, non-editable input, in terms of text selection? It won't let me select text.
 

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