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1:00 PM
@SecondRikudo the.chat.sidebar.not.good
 
@AdamBarak surprisingly more than italians
 
That's barely Dutch...
 
@AwalGarg What's wrong with it?
 
they just got the accent wrong, but everything else seemed to be almost perfect
 
@MarcGravell well, chat flags are defective by design
 
1:00 PM
@Cerbrus Take into account that I barely visited Netherlands because of parents
 
@SecondRikudo you know... wait, lemme find in the transcript.
 
What did you mean with "idea"? Opinion?
 
@towc If you say that I believe you. You may have found 1 case in 99.
@Cerbrus no no more like "dacht"
 
*gedacht(e)
 
"dat is wat je denkt"
@Kippie yes that one
 
1:02 PM
@AdamBarak I've seen 3 elementary schools and a midschool one XD
 
@SecondRikudo ok it wasn't you... it was @dystroy
 
@towc Wait, there are Turkish people in Italy? :P
 
Hm, I'm pretty sure I can determine whether or not someone is fluent in my own language.
 
@AdamBarak many
 
@AdamBarak There are turkish people everywhere
 
1:03 PM
They're invading the world xD
*We're
 
It's an infestation
But "you guys" are generally better behaved than the bulgarians
 
@Cerbrus But are they really that bad in the Nederland?
 
is there actually a proper translation for Döner in english ?
:P
 
The turkish aren't that bad
 
@jAndy "thing which you eat whilst drunk and regret heavily in the morning"
 
1:05 PM
@jAndy "Something that rotates". It took the name from the way it moves :-)
 
 
@Cerbrus For bulgarians you mean those turkish-bulgarian people and gipsy
 
just to have context
 
people like zigi are great people actually
mmmm delicious
:D
 
The bulgarians are usually the ones skimming your bankpasses
Not to mention the 3 visitors we had at our house...
 
1:07 PM
@Cerbrus There are plenty too here, but they either gipsy from Bulgaria and Romania or turkish-bulgarian people
should sent back somewhere else when they do that stuff
 
@jAndy meeeeeeeeeee needs that. Is 100$ enough?
 
@towc 4 lira here in Turkey :D
like €3.50 I think
 
@towc: Send me 100$, and I'll get you 4 of those!
 
@towc trust me, you don't need that :P
 
1:08 PM
Şiş kebab is what I eat often because you don't get messy haha
 
Aww, I preferred "Sheesh" kebab
 
lol that looks more Arabic :D
Romanian people have ş too, stolen from Turkish people :P
 
@AdamBarak erm... no
 
I know I know, I was kidding :D
Before Atatürk reformed the Turkish language there wasn't even a latin alphabet
Romanians had the same fate with Cyrillic if I'm not mistaken
Щ => ş
ش => ş
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum which xss is that, specifically?
(feel free to email me separately if you prefer; marc@stackoverflow.com)
 
1:21 PM
21 mins ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
Lol, kidding, got you there - didn't I :D?
 
@towc I found a solution: jsfiddle.net/4zxhxykd/2
 
(it was the scariest thing I could think of)
 
see, I did at least give you the benefit of the doubt; we aren't completely irresponsible
 
@Naruto good
 
1:22 PM
@MarcGravell Well, you still send out who stars/unstars messages and who flags messages to everyone so there's that :P
 
yeah, that's on my list to investigate
 
@rlemon figured it out if you need more details.
 
everybody figured it out
 
it's all in the frame data, there wasn't much to figure out
 
the id and username are sent in the websocket frames
 
1:25 PM
I have a problem with flagging/voting/etc from the transcript (not even in the room list) -- as well as access control being fubar'd
if we're bitching about chat stuff ;)
 
@rlemon no hints about what problem, though? just "a problem"?
 
about access control? ohh I can list a few things ;)
 
re access control: what (and why) would you do different?
 
some of them have been brought up on meta before
 
@MarcGravell why do you think we use a bot to handle muting users? :P
 
1:27 PM
actually, the "a problem" was the "from the transcript"; need moar detailz
 
I'd like to report a bug. I should be room owner, but I'm not. Clearly it's a bug in the system.
 
@MarcGravell people have silently sat in the transcript and flagged stuff, without ever joining the room, ohh and it was invalid. Similar to how when a flag is registered I have to click through to the room to see it's context... unfortunately no everyone does that.
 
@MarcGravell Some people are simply very annoying while not actually breaking SE rules which would justify a chat-wide suspension.
 
@MarcGravell The premise that "if a user is disruptive in one room, he is probably disruptive on all other rooms" is wrong.
 
ohh and one SUPER annoying bug in the chat -- if i've ever been to a room... just once! ONCE! I get notified for all of their events
 
1:29 PM
So being able to remove people from a room you own would indeed be useful...
 
this is crazy annoying for me (because I enter rooms to see about flags... and now I get pinged for events from like 10 rooms)
 
There has to be a level between "I will ignore you" and "I will nuke you".
@rlemon That lasts for two weeks, IIRC.
If you don't join back in two weeks, you stop getting pings and events from there.
 
well then tell those rooms to stop flagging dumb crap :P
 
@rlemon so leave the room?
 
@MarcGravell I am not in the rooms
I've left them, they are not stared, nothing.
 
1:30 PM
@MarcGravell Even if you leave, you still get pings and events
 
but I still get event notifications
 
TIL I could star rooms
 
I'd keep that...
 
by "event notifications", do you mean scheduled events?
 
@MarcGravell Yes, and pings as well
 
1:31 PM
it's forced though
 
a-la "You were mentioned in a room you aren't currently in"
 
how are you going to get pinged if you're not in the room?
 
k, that's helpful; I can look at that
 
I can see if I've stared the room, ping me with events.
but if I'm not in a room, and I haven't stared it, why am I getting events?
(scheduled kind)
 
@FlorianMargaine IIRC we allow pings if you've left the room but were in it in some interval - can't remember how long
 
1:32 PM
@MarcGravell Yes, but the matter of scheduled events is true as well, and it is really annoying :P
 
I don't care about people pinging me, that is at least a person.
Feeds pinging me about some event in the Chinese Developers room daily is annoying
 
yes, noted; I can work on that - cheers for the feedback
 
!!s/cheers/cheese/
 
@AdamBarak yes, noted; I can work on that - cheese for the feedback (source)
 
1:34 PM
the access control issue (again has been discussed on meta) is a larger issue and according to <enter mod name, can't remember who> it would require WAY too much work to change
 
@rlemon I do believe it was balpha.
 
I do as well, but I can't remember for sure so don't want to misquote
 
I'm not sure how chat is built, but adding another access level for "explicit no write access" doesn't sound too horrible.
 
so haswell e is out
@rlemon i took up your suggestions, the "things" you pointed out will be fixed shortly
 
for info; notifications is valid for 2 days on a partial match and 7 days on an exact match on your display name
 
1:37 PM
and we will be shipping in the product with t-shirts [on compact disks for windows user convienience ... pun intended]
 
@AbhishekHingnikar not right now, but next week likely I'll want to talk to you about automatic image tagging -- like, scan a pic and tell it is of a bridge, or a phone booth.
 
sure ;-) we have api's
yes we can do that :D
 
good.
I'll need it :P we'll talk next week
 
@rlemon you have to be there in the last 3 days... just going once won't work.
or something like that.
 
1:40 PM
Hooray! Lemonmeme is a thing that exists again!
 
re scheduled announcements, it is indeed:
// only advertise if the user has been there previously
 
Oh lawd
 
I think the same fix (being able to leave a room without intention of returning) would fix both pain points
 
I remember something with a 2 weeks timer though
 
ah yes
30 days since post, or 7 days since present
 
1:42 PM
@MarcGravell ain't 30 days too much?
 
subjective
 
Just in case these things get fixed, some of the credits shall go to @AdamBarak for his annoying script which got Marc here :P
 
the "add everyone" thing is ... painful; 7.6k people in an access list is not the scenario it was designed for ;p
 
@MarcGravell for a high traffic room that also wants to control access it is unavoidable with the current system
we need to add 7.6K people to keep 1-2 from talking
 
@MarcGravell Right, but we're not handling that ourselves, that's the bot.
 
1:46 PM
I can testify; the control panel takes ages to load
 
yes, userscripts / bots have been deployed to avoid having to load said page
it is ... painful.
 
Maybe caprica can remove people who don't talk for 15days or something from the list.
 
@AwalGarg doesn't solve the issue
we see a lot of traffic.
 
@AwalGarg The issue is that the permission system is broken.
 
@AwalGarg I'm tempted not to fix anything now, just so we don't reward that kind of behaviour ;p
 
1:48 PM
To mute someone you have to maintain a list of thousands.
 
it is backwards from how I would expect it to be
 
@MarcGravell nooooo I take that baaaccckkk!
 
@MarcGravell A solution for that would be a weekly trip to chat to gather feedback.
 
@MarcGravell yeah... we clean up the list every couple of months though
 
Meta is nice and all, but it doesn't get the same instant feel a chat provides.
Also, while we're at it.
 
1:49 PM
I feel like most chat requests on meta go ignored
 
@MarcGravell who flags and who stars is still public.
^^
 
@FlorianMargaine Cap should do that automagically
 
26 mins ago, by Marc Gravell
yeah, that's on my list to investigate
 
in PHP, 13 mins ago, by DaveRandom
http://poop.bike/
Ah
Missed that @FlorianMargaine
 
1:51 PM
@rlemon let me have a think about whether there is something we can do there; yes, access control is additive, but we can change the code ;p
 
...
 
also, I know balpha is working right now on some big changes to the chat security code - not sure it would allow this, but...
 
@MarcGravell aside from that, I have a list of other minor chat issues :P
like being able to see users i've ignored from the sidebar messages (talking in other rooms)
not huge issues, just small things
 
and in the star queue too.
 
Moving messages should have a button to prompt for the move from the message itself (as well as the side bar menu item)
 
1:54 PM
the message menu is already not tiny...
 
it would be nice (albeit kinda of annoying) to force users to enter the chat room to vote on a flag. I feel it would reduce the amount of invalid flag votes, but I have no evidence to support this feeling
 
but yes, that could probably be done - simply by invoking the same UI and immediately marking the selected message
 
also, the feed user has gone mad in the sandbox...
 
@MarcGravell again, not big stuff. Just as someone who uses the chat a lot these are small annoyances I have
ohh, and while balpha is in the codebase... tell him to make the room description support markdown
that would be superb
 
@rlemon and to let them opt out.
 
1:57 PM
That please ^
@AwalGarg You currently can't opt out of any privilege. Why should this be different?
 
@SecondRikudo ;-(
 
Make flags less annoying? By all means.
If you want to opt out, a single line of CSS can do that for you.
 
Oh wait.. userscripts to the rescue!
yea that
 
I really dislike the lack of information surrounding the post that is flagged.
> fuck
as a single post could be offensive, or could not be offensive
it is a toss up until you enter the room and see the surrounding context
 
@rlemon I can't see that working; too disruptive
 
1:59 PM
@rlemon inb4 that gets flagged
 
@MarcGravell just tossing out an idea.
 

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