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7:00 PM
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@Loktar the end effect is the same, code was changed a bit
 
Run that through lint and watch it yell at you
 
user1596138
> One warning
147 Unnecessary semicolon.

Four undefined variables
2 require
5 require
6 require
9 require
12 require
15 require
 
I never miss a semi-colon. I feel dirty if I leave them out
 
@SterlingArcher document.links brah
document.links
 
user1596138
7:00 PM
lol bitching about require
 
@SterlingArcher mixed " and '
you'd get yelled at for that
 
user1596138
jslint is just retarded
 
user1596138
> Use spaces, not tabs.
 
eww people use tabs? :P
 
document.links?
 
user1596138
7:01 PM
> Expected 'var' at column 5, not column 2.
 
user1596138
lol wtf
 
user1596138
Hahahaha what is that complaint even
 
Expected '{' and instead saw 'alert'.
 
user1596138
	var server = require('http').Server(app);
 
@Jhawins are you using tabs or spaces?
 
user1596138
7:02 PM
It's complaining about this hahaha
 
So it doesn't like one liner if statements with no brackets?
 
if you're using tabs.. why would a var be in column 2?
 
user1596138
Oh it's in tabs now
 
should be in 5 id imagine
 
user1596138
Yeah but there's only 1 tab before it
 
user1596138
7:02 PM
No spaces...
 
wierd
 
user1596138
indentation is interchangeable at the press of a button. So who cares haha
 
Fuck you JSLint you're too picky.
 
user1596138
> Oh damn I'll have to press the button to convert this from tabs to 4 spaces... Hope I didn't want 2 because I would have to push the button again..
 
people that indent with 2 spaces are mutants.
 
7:04 PM
I could have sworn that in most text editors the tab was just 4 spaces
not a tab
 
size 4 tabs, or die
 
user1596138
@NickDugger Dude. Dude.
 
tabs > spaces
 
user1596138
 
spaces > tabs
 
user1596138
7:05 PM
Your complaint is invalid. Use whatever you want.
 
when I used tabs my code formatting looked fucked up on github always
 
Nope, size 4 tabs, or you're doing it wrong
 
never have had that issue with spaces
 
user1596138
There are chrome extensions for code formatters so you can change the code even in docs and such if you really want to
 
@Loktar yeah, they make the default tab size the same as 8 spaces, which is dumb
 
user1596138
7:06 PM
@Loktar Yeah true
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher use jshint
 
yeah jshint is what I use, pretty sure its the more popular one now even
since lint is so opinionated
 
user1596138
It's like jslint once you remove the circus from it's ass
 
hah
 
circus from its ass
that's a new one lol
 
7:07 PM
oh, this time we'll finally solve it.
 
user1596138
There is a whole circus in there lol
 
3 rings and everything xD
 
user1596138
There is a sublime hinter plugin for JS btw. jshint in the editor. It's pretty good
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher LOL
 
2010: content first 2011: mobile first 2013: offline first 2014: 😄 first
 
7:13 PM
bleh yeah offline first I think thats going a bit too far
offline first would have been a great strategy a few years ago
its like all of a suddenly saying "IE8 first"
if you have time to implement it sure.. but starting with offline first.. just build a desktop app then.
 
Poor people have bad phones, therefore you need to support android 2.2 first
 
lol right
responsive 2.2 first!!
thats the thing too man people preach these things like "responsive first!!" and then are like hue hue fuck IE, fuck older android
the other end is just as bad though.. its an issue I have here
> We dont get much mobile traffic so responsive first isn't worth it
 
Half of our traffic at work is mobile, but we're not doing responsive first, just taking care to make it responsive.
 
@NickDugger Telepath first.
 
jeeze 50% and not doing mobile first?
you guys aren't redesigning then I take it?
 
7:17 PM
We don't have the resources to do mobile first
 
just patching it as you go?
 
Crocodiles First
 
Nah, it's a redesign, but we don't have anyone with experience in designing for mobile, except for me but I don't design anymore, thankfully.
 
@NickDugger We have the resources to do mobile first. Just lacking the initiative.
 
@NickDugger ah thats shitty then man
 
7:19 PM
@Loktar nah, trust me... anything is a step up from our current website.
 
every new design here I've been pushing heavily to make them responsive
because in another few years it will be almost mandatory (Id argue it is today honestly)
 
@m59 Wow, that's amazing! I don't think anyone's gotten higher!
 
so if you don't do it now you'll either be losing revenue.. or redoing the project later on
 
I should probably make an actual database :p
 
I wonder what the next big thing in phones will be
Solar powered? Waterproof? indestructible?
 
7:22 PM
Can make phone calls?
 
Indestructible? What about obscelecence?
 
@djnz0feh Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
Who the fuck wants to be that personal with somebody?
I don't wanna see you, I don't wanna hear your voice, I barely want to see most peoples txts.
 
@SterlingArcher voice recognition that works
 
Next gen anti-social-aspects
 
7:23 PM
hah
Thats where social VR might be nice.. or shitty?
you can just be someone else
and maybe even shoot other VR mens
 
I can't wait for the next generation in porn viewing are you kidding me?
Oculus rift? 4D?
The limits are endless!
lol..
 
4D? What, you want to travel back in time to a young pamela anderson?
 
...You wouldn't?
 
okay fuck you Ubuntu
disk is full, but too full to be able to empty the trash
 
7:27 PM
tf bro
 
tf2?
 
see if a reboot helps
ugh
can't even start a new proc no room
 
i wanna play tf2 but i always get owned so hard
inb4 s/owned//
 
I haven't played TF2 since it got out of hand, and people started caring about getting hats
 
thats the one game Id play with people here
but no one does :(
 
7:28 PM
fucking hats man
 
I have the greatest hat in the game
so idc about hats, I just play.
 
guy.push(girl); // ugh sometimes code is tricky.. probably should rename variables
 
one of the rarest hats in the game, and its name fits perfectly.
> Hat of undeniable wealth and respect.
 
girls.push(@AbhishekHingnikar)
 
@NickDugger thanks to our society that is acceptable in some places but the reverse is a unformiddable crime
person1.push(person2);
 
7:31 PM
lol damn
I forget the hats I have
 
and now it is bricked
 
I was mostly a sniper, spy, or pyro
 
SON OF A BITCH!@
 
I think most of my achievements are pyro related
 
@SterlingArcher do I even have you on steam?
 
7:32 PM
I logged in not so long ago, and everyone of my weapons had a "Vintage" title added to it, lol
 
Probably not, I haven't steamed since college
 
ah
 
My user is FerretTheory
 
TF2 didn't get bad because of hats... but I do think it got bad.
 
I got mad because the instant I ran out of cover im blown away by a sniper
 
7:33 PM
the bads always say that :P
 
no chance at all
and scouts were always too fast to hit with anything
 
@SterlingArcher As a sniper, no that sounds like working as intended.
 
@Retsam I'm talking there's no way I would ever see them, or i have no chance of ever moving past my base
Snipers were too good
 
be a spy and cloak
heh although spy is one of the harder classes to play
 
It really depended on the map; some maps they were great (CTF_Doublecross), some maps they were pretty mediocre.
 
7:35 PM
i do that, but somehow they always see me lol
 
I love push the cart maps
 
I liked scout and engineer. I was ok with sniper.
 
and the mode, def my favorite
 
I like the Orange maps
 
I play bow sniper/heavy/scout mostly sometimes engie
 
7:36 PM
But, my general complaints are just: 1) that there's too many items now; it's no longer a game where each class is a recognizable and generally predictable threat with a few variations
 
haha what?
They have done a great job with keeping class play how it should be
 
No, it's a bad game
and you should feel bad
 
eh #3 played game on steam so more people agree with me it seems :P
in fact about 72,000 at this very moment
 
They're all bad people
 
and 2) I've just really struggled to find decent servers anymore. Maybe not a complaint with the game as much as the community, but I'm sick of "pay us money and you can ignore the rules" servers, which seems like the majority that I find.
 
7:38 PM
@Retsam just play on the valve official servers there are hundreds
I play on those, or lotus clan
 
pyro was my jam
 
but yeah there are a ton of shitty servers @Retsam with terrible rules I agree
 
I didn't have a mouse most times I played, so it was easier to set people on fire and nail them with my axe
 
like you could pay more to run faster.. I always blacklist those
@SterlingArcher wtf?! what did you play with a touch pad?
 
yeah, i played during class so there was no mouse room in the lecture halls
it was hell
 
7:40 PM
Yeah, I can't remember why I didn't play on the official... I think I was trying to play on doublecross which the officials weren't hosting.
 
ouch yeah that would be rough lol
@Retsam ah lame
what impresses me is how old the game is and how popular it still is
 
I was either on TF2, or some CSS server playing zombie infection with xenomorphs as zombies xD
 
I mean, it's pretty much undeniably the best ftp game on steam.
 
Eh, I still remember the original Team Fortress.
 
yeah they did ftp perfectly @Retsam
@NickDugger yeah I remember the original TF as well try going back and playing it now its terrible lol
 
7:41 PM
Too well. They're slightly to blame for the plague of mediocre FTP games...
 
I played it like a year ago for the hell of it
 
FTP = Fuck That Player
 
Fap that Poner
 
@SterlingArcher FTP = Fuck That Protocol
 
lmao
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7:42 PM
@Retsam haha on that subject I think valve is responsible for a few bad things :?
like the devaluation of games in general
> why would I pay $5 dollars for a game? ugh, Ill just get it during a steam sale
> Now I need to run to starbucks and get a venti mocha for $5 woot!
 
Yeah; though it's a hard argument to make for me that cheaper games is a bad thing. Even for the industry as a whole.
 
I think that on top of a few other factors could cause another game crash like the 80's
I mean I love cheap games as a consumer, its great
but it seems unsustainable for many devs
 
Ehh, it might "cause" a AAA games crash; but honestly at this point thats more because AAA have almost completely failed to adapt to an obviously changing market.
 
Depends on where the devs come from :)
 
@Retsam in AAA case I think it will be a matter of consumer confidence loss
 
7:45 PM
Next level games: the danger is real
 
EA has been releasing piles of trash lately, and many of the big companies have been rehashing the same game over and over for $60 every year
 
The xb1 market doesn't seem to be crashing
Those are probably the most expensive at the moment
 
@TravisJ no there is no crash currently
but yeah console games are generally higher valued
and then you have the poor bottom of the barrel... mobile games
 
haha
 
which there are so many awesome mobile games
 
7:46 PM
I know it's been done before, but I would like to see a good movie about video games turning into reality
 
Consumer confidence lost is part of it
 
but they are forced to either be free to play, or just suffer through no sales :?
 
But do mobile games require as many devs?
 
^ thats part of the problem, peoples perception :P
there are mobile MMO's
 
It's also incredibly stupid how AAA has been pouring exorbitant amounts of money into games, so that even games that sell really well are still financial "failures" (see Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider)
 
7:47 PM
I don't think the platform dictates the level of effort...
 
many indie pc games are also mobile @NickDugger perfectly stated
 
Indie games are going to take over
 
@SterlingArcher I don't know if you do anime, but the first half of Sword Art Online is an interesting take on that idea.
 
nah I think indie games are turning into droves of shit honestly
 
A lot of indie games are just total garbage.
 
7:48 PM
Nobody wants to give EA 65% of the profit when they have the skill to do it alone
 
indie games now consist of early access never going to be finished trash
 
^ which also is eroding consumer confidence
 
It's games like Overgrowth that give me hope
And Evolve
 
7:49 PM
@Loktar Not exclusively, but yes, it's something indie developers need to learn to watch out for.
 
Dying to play both
 
@NickDugger thats a great video but there was one point I didnt agree with him on
 
@Loktar which is?
 
I think everyone should be able to publish
 
7:49 PM
@KendallFrey and @SecondRikudo: If you're still around: stackoverflow.com/questions/25941375/…
 
Just as everyone took the wrong lessons from TF2 about FTP, a lot of indie developers are taking the wrong lessons about early access from Minecraft.
 
he was saying that back in the day when anyone could make a game it was bad.. which is true (companies like pepsi made atari games..)
but I think the problem is no curation in the market places
there is nothing there to filter the garbage
especially on mobile
 
@Loktar sure you should be allowed to publish, but I don't think they should be as visible as greenlight makes them, because most of them are garbage
 
@Loktar Ehh, I definitely disagree about a lack of curation being the problem.
 
@NickDugger another issue I have with Valve/Steam
 
7:50 PM
@Loktar what's that new avatar?
 
them giving early access titles prominent positions on the store front is wrong imo
 
is that... loktar?
 
did anybody realize that without computers would be almost impossible
 
@FlorianMargaine cool orc I found
 
7:51 PM
@Loktar why have you not built a 4d perlin noise for uber realistic fog ? on canvas ?
/cc @rlemon
 
and then give it alpha channel and draw glowing objects behind it ? to achieve an incredible effect ??!
 
@AbhishekHingnikar I was happy making particle and smoke emitters years ago :P
 
@Loktar na-uh
 
you meant 3d right?
like volumetric fog?
 
7:52 PM
@Loktar nope
 
4d perlin noise is xyz and t
 
^ Errant Signal on Curation
 
you can literally animate and generate uber realistic waves / fogs / clouds
 
@AbhishekHingnikar Im working on making shit walk with a genetic alg
 
7:53 PM
@Loktar walk as in stickmen ?
 
heh was working on a Tetris AI .. then I slowly moved onto that
@AbhishekHingnikar yea
 
@Loktar sounds fun
 
yeah I love stuff like that
might come back to the tetris AI after thinking of diff ways to do it
 
Man, still have an hour left at work, but I wanna go home NOW!
 
I dont think a GA is the best approach for tetris
@Retsam ill check out the video when I get home about to leave work, good discussion though :)
 
7:55 PM
I am fucked... i am fucked bad... i repeat i am fucked bad
i have an overly attached best friend
 
Did he do your girl?
 
@NickDugger she is a girl
 
@Loktar Yeah, if you haven't seen that series it's worth watching. Oh, and while I'm recommending video game video analysis, Tasteful Understated Nerdrage is like my favorite series on Youtube...
 
Oh, yeah... that's a big problem
 
@NickDugger ... ahan
she got jealous of me loving that ^ -_- oh dear
 
7:56 PM
Slap her with an eel
 
@AbhishekHingnikar I dont understand..
jealous of you liking fireworks?
 
@Loktar i said i love it.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar LOVE ME MOTHERFUCKER
 
:-/ i don't even look good
 
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
 
7:58 PM
believe me i look hideous atm
 
I have a new cat
it's a black cat
should I call it "nigga"?
 
LOL
 
cat
not pussy :P
 
pussy === cat
 

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