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12:06 PM
@Cereal I would be too if I thought I were psychopathic
I understand that apparently psychopathy is a relatively common phenomenon in its milder forms
I think the test used is a situation where there is a clear right answer, but it has emotional consequences
A psychopath can decide without hesitation whereas a normal person cannot
An example would be say, in order to save a train full of people, you need to slow down the train rapidly, and the only way to guarantee that the train can stop on time is to throw someone off the front of the train
Most people know what the right decision is, but they can't just bring themselves to do it, or they will make that decision only after emotional anguish
 
Or jump off the train themselves
 
Incidentally, this is also theorized as the trait managers must have to be good at what they do
@C5H8NNaO4 That too comes with emotional anguish
 
I'm not sure how much emotional anguish is involved with throwing a stranger off a train to save 50
or more importantly yourself
 
Found the psychopath
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if it was someone important to you, I'd understand
 
12:11 PM
I have no concern about those people
so I would immediately throw someone
infront of the train to save the rest
 
Found another
 
Yeah, that's not "normal" behavior
 
and it's gonna be either someone old
or someone really sick
yea well
 
Then, you're also not in that situation, so it's also easy to say.. another to be able to actually do it
 
if I could do it, hell it'd do it myself
true
but I have actually pushed a person on the ground to save him from a car
 
12:12 PM
 
which is different
 
@Game_Jesus @Loktar remember that ^ ?
 
@Neil I think it's important to be able to put yourself into the situation
 
Glad you see that that is different, Zigi.
 
sure
but sometimes when something is really strange
 
12:13 PM
If you can just say, "Yeah, I'd throw someone off the train because it's hypothetical"
 
I start hearing the number 35
 
Then you're definitely on the spectrum
 
or repeat it to myself uncontrollably for a few seconds
and I don't know what that has to do with anything
 
@AbhishekHingnikar oh god no...
 
@Meredith The study obviously couldn't put you in that scenario, but I think they did the next best thing, which was to show a film from first person perspective
 
12:14 PM
I have disregard for the law
 
I have this weird urge to play AoE right now :(
 
@GNi33 once one of my friend made 60 monks :P
 
and tendencies to bot be sympathetic with other people that find it hard to do something
 
Most people can't help but assume the role, for hte same reasons that you care about what happens to the main character in a movie
 
but I don't care
 
12:14 PM
and guarded them with walls
 
actually I always want the villain to win
 
I'm just trying to think about what I'd do in that scenario
 
we all; lost :-( cause our armies never made cross the #MonkFilter @GNi33 lets play then ?
 
I know I'd have to try to shut out the emotion
 
just to shoot this fucking motherfucker who thinks he's the best but he's just a puppet
 
12:15 PM
At least for a little while
And I think I could do it, but it'd hurt
 
@zigi Me too, sometimes, especially if I'm watching a sappy chick flick, where the guy and the girl ultimately get together in the end. I want to see them file for divorce and have a painful breakup
 
I couldn't sacrifice another person
 
@Neil I just want to see someone chop their heads off :D
 
@zigi Again, not normal
 
nope
 
12:16 PM
stupid people not contributing nothin' to the world with their studpidity lovey shmovey bullshit
wasting everyone's time
 
Yeah you're either really immature or a psychopath
 
that's why I don't watch such movies
I am 24
 
I said immature, not young
 
I don't think I am immature cause I can control myself quite well
 
^
 
12:17 PM
who are you talking to, @Meredith ?
 
yes sure, I know the difference between young, immature and childish
 
Zigi
 
who else
 
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12:18 PM
but I think it might run in my family cause my cousin was diagnosed with sociopathy and kleptomania
and my cousings are crazy
 
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@corbo152 You know, there was this funny idea once upon a time that people were supposed to test out commands and "play" in the sandbox
 
ok tell me then one thing
 
@zigi "then one thing"
 
what are your thoughts on people going and blowing themselves up in the government to eliminate the politician scum. I mean anyway if they want to kill themselves, just do something that would change the lives of the rest of us, right?
 
12:21 PM
> Politician scum
I think you might be biased
 
I can't see killing people being justified in about any case
 
haha depending on the country
 
I'm not an advocate of any form of murder
 
well what about them killing your grandparents by giving them 100$ pension
how good is that
why is it justified
 
@AbhishekHingnikar I'm still at work and in the evening I'll meet up with my girlfriend
 
12:22 PM
@C5H8NNaO4 not even when it saves other lives?
 
so I won't have time to play today
 
@GNi33 maybe play age of empires with her "?
 
@JanDvorak If there's 2 options, both of them involve people dying, then one of them has to happen
 
my mom has to give my grandma money to buy wood for the winter cause she can't afford anything else
 
@Jan How could someone decide that one life is worth more than another
 
12:22 PM
@Cereal false dichotomy
 
at the same time half of the people in the parliament are overweight
 
@C5H8NNaO4 sometimes indecision is decision by itself
 
@zigi which country are u from ?
 
Bulgaria
corruption everywhere
 
@JanDvorak I was thinking of Neil's train example
 
12:23 PM
all the guys in the parliament are fat as fuck
and have this smuggy faces
 
@AbhishekHingnikar not sure if this is a metaphor for something dirty or a serious suggestion.... :D
 
@zigi What's average? What's normal?
 
serious suggestion
 
@JanDvorak True dat
 
my girl plays age of empires :P, she also plays counter strike ( though in counter strike i obliterate the ass out of her )
 
12:24 PM
Kant said that if something is morally incorrect, it is always morally incorrect. If you think up a situation where doing so actually saves lives, then it is still morally incorrect, just less so.
 
And I didn't say "tell people to fuck off". I asked why you let others define you.
If you don't think you're weird, then don't introduce yourself as weird.
 
@Neil Kant's view of morality was simplified
 
If you think you're a mermaid, introduce yourself as such.
 
I don't think morals are real
 
@Zirak the people that are the everyday people working as clerks, cleaners, barmans, etc. that like watching series and being part of the mainstream, the ones that are defined from Heidegger as das man
 
12:24 PM
I don't think mermaids are real
 
By that logic, if you could go back in time and murder Hitler, would it be morally correct? No, just perhaps not as morally incorrect as shooting someone who didn't end up murdering several million people
 
@AbhishekHingnikar hehe, maybe. I'll show it to her
 
@Neil I would defer the task to someone else
 
I think that actions have consequences
But you aren't always the one who feels the consequence
 
@Neil It's not like nobody tried...
 
12:25 PM
@GNi33 (y) gluck
 
@Neil but then being morally correct means that you impose restraints on yourself while others don't
 
So morals are there to shift the consequences to yourself
 
it's like a dog that doesn't want to eat meat
 
@KendallFrey Right, I know that of course. The famous briefcase bomb that got moved.
 
but just grass
I know a lot of people that are immoral but still get no concequences
 
12:26 PM
@zigi The behavior of others doesn't determine if an action is correct or not
 
cause the system is broken
 
sees "The System" being mentioned, gives up on argument
 
Or at least not according to Kant. That's being a moral relavist.
 
people with a lot of money and politicians have immunity
or just pay and go out of the prison a
 
@Neil everyone driving on the right makes you driving on the left incorrect
 
12:27 PM
and small robbers that steal food get in jail
cause they were not cautious enough
 
@JanDvorak Which side of the road you should drive on hardly has to do with morality
 
yes
 
@JanDvorak It makes driving on the left different, not incorrect
 
I am immoral
 
That's not something to brag about
 
12:27 PM
if there is a sign saying you can't make a U turn and I see there are no other cars, I just make it
 
@Cereal sometimes agreement is more important than pushing the optimal solution
 
cause if there is no one in the forest to hear the tree falling does it make a sound
 
@zigi You're confusing law and morality
 
not really
 
wat
No
wat
bye
 
12:28 PM
wut wut
:D
 
@zigi That's just to prove that sign is wrong, now if it said you were not allowed to, that's a different story, that sign saying you CAN'T do it, is just a challenge
 
@Magikaas data compression
 
@Magikaas ok the sign prohibits me from doing it but lets put it that way, there was no physical reason for me not to be able to make the U turn
and I did
 
@zigi the sign doesn't prohibit you from doing it
I believe the sign says if you do it, you risk punishment
 
Sorry, had to lighten this conversation somehow lol
 
12:30 PM
@Cereal isn't that the same
 
No
Try to walk through wall
 
isn't the punishment there to control you?
 
@Cereal the point of punishment is to enforce law
 
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@JanDvorak Yeah, but it doesn't prohibit anything
 
12:31 PM
@Cereal The wall doesn't prohibit you, but if you try it, you risk injury :P
 
The law says you shouldn't. Something can be against the law AND moral.
 
@Magikaas The wall prevents walking >:(
 
Though that is generally not the case
 
Like speeding!
 
I am a true believer of the idea that you should do whatever you please to as long as you are not endangering other's lives and imposing your opinion on them
 
12:31 PM
>.>
 
@Cereal No wall is going to tell me what I can and can't do!
 
Nothing can be against God's law and moral, though
 
@zigi So, you believe I can break into your house and steal everything you own? Just so long as I'm not threatening your life?
 
Oh no, here we go
 
Perhaps you should rethink that
 
12:32 PM
@JanDvorak I know you're joking, but damn I cringed so hard
 
@zigi am I allowed to impose on you my opinion that the house you are in is on fire?
 
@Neil no because then you would be imposing your opinion that the stuff you took from me should be yours and that is not correct
 
@zigi Pfft. They're still yours. Just in his possession.
 
@zigi If you want, after I steal your stuff, I will tell you that I still think it's yours before I leave.
 
hahaha ok
 
12:33 PM
Wow, I would not want to live under your rules, they are VERY open to suggestion and speculation @zigi
 
but this means I can come and take it from you when I need it
and I am fine with that
it's more communal
 
It might be good, but might also not be, if you think of it that way
 
@zigi Sure, assuming I leave you an address and contact number.
 
well I can always trace you you know
same way when I got banned from here I traced
 
@zigi well, God's laws are different, and I prefer God's laws. "thou shall not steal"
 
12:34 PM
rlemon
in google
 
So we are discussing the viability and pros/cons of communism now?
 
@JanDvorak well stealing is really a specific term
 
These are your rules, not mine. If it seems like such a world would be chaotic, it is because you established that anything is game, so long as you don't threaten someone or impose your opinion, right?
 
@JanDvorak which god are your referring to ... if you are talking about Yahveh's commandments, then those are close to 200, and are either complete bullshit or common sense (as if they were made up by some bronze age human and not a diety)
 
Idea: everything is communal. Property is no longer a concept. The government distributes goods and services.
 
12:34 PM
you can take something and return it if the person is not using it during that time
and that's not stealing in my opinion
@Meredith Yes you got me I am a communist
pour your democratic believes on me now :D
 
@tereško Jehovah, the God that wrote the Bible
 
That's what they tried with communism. Most people didn't like having stuff taken away from them because it belonged to the government. People are funny like that.
 
I share a 10^2m terrace with a Dutch guy and I told him to use anything he wants from there
 
here we go
 
Well, you guys have fun here, this is about as far as I'll go ;)
 
12:36 PM
again on our own
 
Don't break the place too much
 
me too
 
@Magikaas Smart guy
Save yourself! It's got a hold of me!
 
> God that wrote the Bible
lol
 
@tereško if you mean rituals, they were but a shadow of what Jesus' death would fulfill
 
12:37 PM
When I say oh dear Lord, I refer to myself cause I am Mr. God, I told you already
so it's like saying, oh my
 
I think it's really cool that christianity believes that multiple gods exist
 
religion again ? Pfff
2
 
laws of quarantine were not common sense at that time, but they were useful
 
I want to know more about the more obscure gods
Not just the mainstream one
 
@dystroy I'm not responsible this time, I swear
 
12:38 PM
@Meredith why?
 
Because I'm like a religion hipster or something
 
@dystroy the j in jQuery stands for Jesus
 
> 6. Comments section. We allow 10 lines of 35 characters. Currently you can fill the entire

comments box without pressing <ENTER> and we only accept the first 35 characters.

Can the box be made smaller or just cut off after 35 characters?
 
@Meredith Cthulhu?
 
The hell kind of requirement is this
 
12:39 PM
@Cereal a bad one
 
Guys
 
@GNi33 <pedantic>Cthulhu wasn't a god, just a high priest, in theory</pedantic>
 
@JanDvorak you apparently have no idea how many commandments are listed .. and the fact that the ones you pretend to know are actually "second edition"
 
last thing I'd like to say
 
I try to avoid the cthulhu circle jerk
I never read the books
 
12:39 PM
@tereško do you have a specific example?
 
@Meredith Would you believe there actually exists a Jediism religion?
 
If I can afford to buy an island and create a society there, I can always solve the problems with the belongings by putting tracking devices on everything and banishing everyone who dares to steal or do stupid things
 
Honestly I'd have a really hard time believing that any religion is real
 
you can always track every belonging of that society when the need comes
 
@zigi You're thinking like an american politician already!
 
12:41 PM
@Neil he's a Great Old One
 
hahaha :D
well the good thing is
 
which basically is a godlike creature, isn't it?
 
@zigi people in general don't like too much surveillance
 
people have to also share stuff
so it's gonna be communal
they won't own bigger things like lawnmowers etc. they would be just assets
which are being maintained by the goverment
 
I like working for things and then letting other people use them
 
12:42 PM
and people would register to use such stuff
 
I think these are all terrible ideas
 
How so :)
 
@zigi then there will be fights to register each use of rare goods
 
rare goods would be owned by people
 
@Meredith I live in Turin, Italy. I accept cash cheques or just cash is fine too, thx.
 
12:42 PM
don't get me wrong
 
I'm going to be alive for like 75 years. I would hate to spend that without privacy
 
which goods aren't rare in that sense?
 
The tradition that 613 commandments (Hebrew: תרי"ג מצוות‎: taryag mitzvot, "613 Mitzvot") is the number of mitzvot in the Torah, first occurred in the 3rd century CE, when Rabbi Simlai mentioned it in a sermon that is recorded in Talmud Makkot 23b. These principles of Biblical law are sometimes called connections or commandments (mitzvot) and referred to collectively as the "Law of Moses" (Torat Mosheh, תורת משה), "Mosaic Law," "Sinaitic Law," or simply "the Law". The word mitzvot is plural; singular is mitzvah. Although there have been many attempts to codify and enumerate the commandments contained...
 
well look it's not as hard as you present it by abstracting it
 
613 is too many to learn. ten is much easier.
 
12:43 PM
the only necessary thing is just a good plan for action
 
They needed an app for that
 
I can't even name more than like 3 of the 10 commandments
 
you can make an e-society where they can check what things are available where
using the tracking devices
 
"Is it wrong to eat chicken on the sabbath?" "Yes." "Oh ok." ._.
 
they even do this shit with cars here in the Netherlands
 
12:44 PM
@rlemon Jesus cut it down to two
 
you can use an app to find the closes one, you pay like 12 euros a year for a membership and you use the car by paying 20 cents per kilometer
 
@zigi I have a loose belief that the goverment should keep out of personal lives, and just manage the country
 
@Neil well, God didn't say that
 
@Cereal what do you concider personal lives
 
@JanDvorak Just making one up.. I'm sorry that I haven't memorized all 613 commandments by heart :P
 
12:45 PM
having a lawnmower is a personal life?
 
Yes
 
@rlemon also, if you remember the legend, Moses got his panties in a bunch and smashed the first edition
 
It's your personal lawn mower
 
@zigi depends on what you do with it
 
the goverment has no business with my lawnmower
 
12:46 PM
@Cereal so you want to live like the caveman and shoot anyone that is taking your stuff?
doesn't that sound a bit retrograde
 
what about respecting each other's privacy?
 
right now I have a guitar at home that is used 5-10% of my personal time, I am sure other people have the same, why don't they use it while I don't need it?
 
Someone asked me for a piece of gum once and I stabbed him
 
Well, don't worry guys, live in the states and respect your privacy, I haven't invited you on my island, have I?
anyone willing to live like this and sharing the ideology can come and live
 
> no one
 
12:48 PM
@zigi well, they could ask you
 
And fuck no, my guitar was 1400 dollars
It's my baby, no one can touch >:((
 
I gotta start playing guitar again
But it's too much effort
 
More like there's not enough time in the day
 
see
 
I have plenty of time
 
12:50 PM
so much hatered
 
Like right now I'm not doing anything besides talking in here
 
isn't there a thing called possesivness disorder
where people just like having stuff
I think it's called hoarding or smoething
 
Possessiveness disorder !== having a sense of ownership
 
I would feel much more free if people use my stuff and I use their stuff instead of buying everything
I've lent my car to friends
 
@zigi You misspelled "consumerism"
 
12:51 PM
oh yes, the thing I despise a lot
actually I am slowing the economy down cause I fix my shit instead of buying new one
or going to someone to fix it for me
 
No you're not
lol
 
well if everyone is like me then the people that produce wouldn't have enough money to continue doing what they do
 
@zigi Not everyone is like you though
 
yes
I also believe a lot of famous people are overrated
 
Life is too short for inefficiencies
 
12:52 PM
like Justin Bieber
 
You have the same idealogies of every middle schooler ever
It's kind of amazing
 
Justin Bieber is overrated?
 
hahaha :D
 
The really spicy thai food that I had yesterday just came back with a vengeance... It didn't feel good
 
@Cereal I have lived a different life than you guys
I am also a bit hippy
 
12:53 PM
@NickDugger You need to work on that anal fixation. It'll make every spicy thai night a night to remember
 
I don't like being controlled
 
Are you should you're not a 14 year old girl?
 
Who's a 14 year old girl?
 
haha yes I am
 
@Cereal sure*
 
12:55 PM
I'll assume it's zigi since his avatar keeps bumping up, but I have him ignored, so I can't see it. I can only assume that from this conversation, he like Justin bieber?
 
Hes better then just in sewer
 
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is that you ?
 
haha yes, that's me a 14 year old girl
 
No, no. He's been going on about morality and his ideology that no one should have ownership over anything. He also doesn't like being controller, and doesn't like celebrities.
 
12:56 PM
Deeply disturbing, @zigi. Deeply disturbing.
 
Does that not sound like something you'd read on a 14 year old girl's tumblr?
 
Nobody should own anything? What is this, buddhism?
 
haha maybe the kids know but you've been crushed by your decadent western ways
 
I just don't get how you can call justin bieber overrated
 
I'll take my videogames, big TV's, computers, and fancy shoes.
 
12:57 PM
Literally the only people who like him are 13 year old girls
 
Excuse me as I order a 130 dollar jacket
 
Justin Bieber is rated? I'm pretty sure nobody likes him anymore
 
#teamliquidpride
 
yeah but people are starving and this asshole does stupid teen shit
 
Hi amaan
 
actually I am listening to the lyrics of friday for the first time
hahaha
aahhahaha
ok see
 
yall mofuckas crazy
 
that's kind of people that actually I can't stand
 
who said that?
 
12:59 PM
if I see her I would spit on her shoes
:D
 

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