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12:07 AM
Misclicked on a FB ad and it was for @zynga jobs, but the link 404s! https://company.zynga.com/jobs Awkward, maybe the job was for a new webdev? :P
^ sad and hilarious
 
12:27 AM
Anyone up for brainstorming a startup idea and trying to knock out an MVP by monday? I can code full stack on msft platform, or do front-end on a different platform.
I'm going to go play dota 2, I'll check back in a bit.
 
I'm in Santa Barbara
 
@SimonSarris lol thats so crazy
just saw the mention on my phone
 
12:58 AM
soooo toysrus had a clearance
$70 for all the D&D sets
 
What is that? Lego?
 
1:15 AM
i'm in charlotte.
 
1:27 AM
HOW DO YOU HAVE ANY ROOM LOKE
you have all these things
so many things
 
2:27 AM
@Loktar wtf is Kre-o
 
2:37 AM
What is Kre-o, and is it compatible with Lego?
 
m59
2:49 AM
Angular peeps - is this solution to the class filter issue as awesome as I think it is, or is there hole somewhere? jsbin.com/jafisoto/1/edit
classic***
 
Kre-o is compat with Lego
they are a Hasbro brand of Lego basically
also @SimonSarris I have to purge often lol
Kre-o also has Transformer sets as well which are pretty cool
 
3:31 AM
^ @Loktar @rlemon
 
4:08 AM
@m59 what's the "classic filter issue"?
 
m59
Filtering data that doesn't stabilize.
For example, if you have 'FOO' and the filter lowercases it, then the filter runs again, the text is already lowercased and doesn't change any further
therefore, no more filtering (loop)
but, if it's a process that doesn't stabilize, you get an infinite digest loop
People have been looking for an elegant solution for a LONG time, so I doubt I just solved it with that simple function haha
 
@m59 can't think of anything wrong with that :X
 
m59
not working as I hoped on another filter with the same issue
but this one is more complex
 
other than what if you do want it to run more than once
 
m59
On anything like that, you wouldn't, I don't think.
Things either stabilize or they don't.
For what I have in mind, running it more than once could only mean you want it to run infinitely, and no one wants that haha
 
4:25 AM
sounds like the halting problem to me
 
but what if it stabilizes after being filtered X times
where X depends on the input
 
m59
Then there's no issue to begin with, right?
That would stabilize and never have been a problem to begin with.
 
what if that X is sometimes ∞
idk, just thinking out loud :P
 
m59
lol
the common solution to all of this is to filter in the controller, but i don't agree with that.
there should just be opt-in stabilization (what I hope to make here)
ah hah
the hashkeys
I can fix that!
 
well, if it's as simple as running it once, someone would have done it :P
but wait
 
m59
4:39 AM
I bet one of you fine gents can write a better function to recursively delete all props by propName from a multi-dimensional json :)
working on it, though
doh!!
even better idea
 
@m59 can you explain this?
no model, infdig still occurs, but only sometimes
 
m59
funny, isn't it? that's the issue (though it's usually worse)
I have no idea why it works ever.
 
I'll go check in the angular source
maybe :P
 
m59
@Mosho see how many times it's running though?
 
yeah, pretty random
 
m59
4:49 AM
It's shuffling a ton
2-8 times
I think
 
but I thought it was triggered by you changing the model
 
m59
Ohhhh
I know why
Duh
It's randomly stable :)
If it happens to shuffle the same way multiple times, it won't trigger the digest again
 
but why is it running so manytimes
 
m59
Because it's trying to run forever
 
but why
 
m59
4:50 AM
that's how filters are
 
well, I know why
but why is it like that
:P
 
m59
Like I said, the different return value re-triggers the digest
dirty checking
 
it's watching the output of the filter
the result of the {{}}
interesting
 
m59
yeah, then re-filtering, and so on. It's just funny that this one can actually stabilize itself
that's trolly
 
ng-bind is two way binding, so thats whats it supposed to do.
iirc there was a way to stop that, also you can just clone the values or you can modify your filter.
 
user2985029
@MarkAtRamp51 what is MVP?
 
user2985029
i dont think that's what it is
 
I was illustrating the fact, that requests of explanations for TLAs need to have a context
 
user2985029
@tereško there's a little icon to the left of the message that looks like an arrow pointing to the left, if you click on that you can see the context
 
user2985029
5:25 AM
5 hours ago, by Mark At Ramp51
Anyone up for brainstorming a startup idea and trying to knock out an MVP by monday? I can code full stack on msft platform, or do front-end on a different platform.
 
user2985029
in the sentence above "MVP" is mentioned
 
that too has no context
 
user2985029
are you sure? what do you mean when you say "context"?
 
@xxx Microsoft Valuable Programmer or stuff
elite brand of asslickers with some really good programmers.
 
user2985029
i dont think it's that
 
5:33 AM
it is that.
 
user2985029
it can't be
 
user2985029
that wouldn't make sense
 
oh wait
Minimum viable product
 
user2985029
ahh
 
user2985029
that seems more likely
 
user2985029
@AbhishekHingnikar thanks!
 
cause they mentioned msft platform
@tereško o/ good morning my friend, you are up very early on a saturday !
 
@AbhishekHingnikar yeah, have to to a funeral
 
ah :-/, am sorry
 
since it's for nobody that I care about, I am sorry too ... because it will be a complete waste of my day
 
5:40 AM
@tereško are you real life of garfield or something ?
 
no, I am slightly sociopaths
 
m59
@Mosho I'm -> <- this close :)
@Mosho wooosaaahhhh, even easier logic and seems to handle all cases! jsbin.com/jafisoto/7/edit
 
then again, @AbhishekHingnikar , how much you would care about some distant relative, that you have met 3 times in your whole live?
 
m59
drop the mic
 
5:49 AM
I am the one who never attends neither a marriage nor a funeral in the family, so you know =)
 
m59
@AbhishekHingnikar Are you saying that you will never marry, but you will also never die?
 
@m59 no i am always absent at family events
 
m59
I was kidding, bro =D
 
since the family is gigantic and if i attend every single one i'd run out of productive days :-(
 
m59
Jeez, you guys take me seriously a lot.
 
5:51 AM
nope
 
@m59 i am working on seriouslyjs.org
i gotta be serious god damnit !
ps your sarcasm is worse then an indians :-(
 
m59
haha
 
user2985029
@AbhishekHingnikar it doesn't seem to do anything, what is it?
 
oh .. India ... the awesome place where which hunts are a common thing in 21st century
 
@xxx open it in chrome with a browser that supports webgl
 
user2985029
i am using chrome
 
@tereško witch hunts ? dude there are "bitch" hunts now
 
@tereško thats least of concerns man
in my country 1 rape happens every 2 hours or so :-/ [on an average]
 
that's less then death-in-car-accidents
 
5:56 AM
well \o/
 
you have to move to europe
 
for that i need a proper job :P
for that i must become a better developer.
for that i must go and code oops
 
Who needs a job when we've got bacon?
 
@monners i don't even have that
ps am a psycho as we all know.
 
NOOOOOOOOO
I always just assumed that you were a leper
 
6:00 AM
leper ?
!!urban leper
!!define leper
 
@AbhishekHingnikar leper someone who suffers from leprosy...this does not mean that their limbs fall off, just that their nerve endings die, so they cannot feel pain. This means they can't tell when they are wounded, and often develop gangrene. That's when the limbs fall off.
@AbhishekHingnikar leper A person who has leprosy.
 
so very helpful.
!!define leprosy
 
@AbhishekHingnikar [leprosy](http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki?curid=76201) An infectious disease caused by infection by Mycobacterium leprae.
The Europeans brought new diseases such as smallpox, measles, dysentery, influenza, syphilis and leprosy.
 
WHAT THE FUCK ?
 
lol
 
6:02 AM
monners> define what is leprosy
 
!!tell abhishek define leprosy
 
@abhishek [leprosy](http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki?curid=76201) An infectious disease caused by infection by Mycobacterium leprae.
The Europeans brought new diseases such as smallpox, measles, dysentery, influenza, syphilis and leprosy.
 
that doesn't explain me anything
 
It was a joke.
 
well am at a hospital, so :-(
 
6:09 AM
Be sure to have them give you something for the leprosy :P
Also, why are you in the hospital?
 
don't ask but i have a bad viral fever and a fractured arm and they are un-related.
now sitting here i am having weird ideas
for instance how about using node.js + a detached webkit as its head remotely, using TOR for solving my fiance's cellphone's horrible network (She can't download muzik).
 
 
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7:21 AM
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Q: Is inbuild use of javascript in css

user3901534I have heard that HTML5 uses some sort of javascript within... Does CSS3 also does that, I don't think the transitions can work otherwise.. Reason of asking, I don't want any javascript in my CSS part.. I am trying to build a pure css library like pureio and bootstrap, they both contain javascrip...

 
7:55 AM
Bon giorno
 
@MarkAtRamp51 If I can give you a suggestion, you may couple brainstorming to thinking about people problems/necessities/commodities and theoretical solutions. For example, imagine that in a rainy and very cold day a person is waiting under a bus stop waiting [put what you want here] and thinks "Wish I was home to sip a hot coffie". It's up to you how to take advantage of this.
@zigi Goede morgen
 
Goedemorgen mijn man
alles goed
 
ja alles goed :) Geen fokin warm vandaag haha
How's with your project man?
 
didn't do anything yesterday cause a friend visited and we went drinking
:D
just woke up
 
haha naughty boyz
 
8:03 AM
ah, no
we didn't get drunk
just to drink and talk a bit
he's a network engineer
a colleague of mine from uni
 
never make a network engineer drunk
he's dutch too?
 
haha no
why never :D
 
I don't know haha but I know a dutch network engineer who knows his shit :D
Anyway I'm going to stop worrying too much about hardcore optimizations so I can hurry starting up my Startup.. heck I don't even know how many users will use that
You was right the other day
I'll put it on Github later.. but I still don't have a name for it as silly as that goes
 
Yes well what you are doing is not bad
but if you waste all your time in it
then you just slow yourself down without knowing whether there would be users at all
so optimizing something that doesn't have that many users is not that ideal
 
Yeah that's what I thought yesterday too. I'd say, do that optimizations when the userbase or cases of users needing extra performance grows to a reasonable amount
 
8:16 AM
yep
hey I'm gonna go make some pancakes
talk to you later
 
pancakes sound good
 
'ts ok bro .. have fun :D later
I still didn't make my cold cappucino. I think I should.
 
 
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India's the best
 
@SomeGuy it sure is :P
sare jaha se accha, hindostan hamara ... <insert patriotic song here>
but then you realize you are so prone to disasters :-/
@SomeGuy Heard the name ebola ?
 
Of course
 
:-( its really sad
ps i am worried if that fucker comes to india / china it'd be a real disaster :-/ (worse in india)
 
0
Q: When does JavaScript run, and when does PHP run? Can I combine the two?

Second RikudoWhen does a client-side language like JavaScript runs, and when does a server-side language like PHP runs? Do the two correlate? I want to run a PHP function on click of a button on my site, or to run a JavaScript function from PHP, is it possible? Can I combine the two?

Comments and edits will be welcomed
 
10:12 AM
Yeah, it could be pretty disastrous if it came to India
 
we still have no bulletiens about it, news seems to have ignored it
idk about international airports
 
@SecondRikudo It's nice that you're trying to clear things up
 
@SomeGuy I'm doing it for the JavaScript gold badge Yeah, I try.
 
Oh, I know :p
This isn't the first question like that that you've made, is it?
 
@SecondRikudo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
 
> I want to run a PHP function on click of a button on my site,
^thievery!!!!!!!!! Madara!
 
@AwalGarg How so?
 
@SecondRikudo wait..
 
@SomeGuy Ooh! You're right! I wanted to link the two to get more votes because they're related!
 
Haha, of course
 
10:17 AM
There we go
 
Jun 20 at 12:36, by Awal Garg
Can I execute PHP (no XHR please) on onclick event?
lol
 
@AwalGarg While my memory is pretty good, I don't remember things that were said while I wasn't around.
 
@SecondRikudo but.... you are god?
 
@AwalGarg I am not omnipotent, nor omniscient. But yes, I am a god.
 
@SecondRikudo May I swing at it as well?
 
10:19 AM
@Zirak Of course, I wouldn't want it any other way.
 
Looks like I'll be using the fast food industry again
 
@SecondRikudo kk. but I had copyrighted the question. You either remove it, or pay.
 
@AwalGarg I am a god. You can sure try.
 
@SecondRikudo ok. a clarification on the AJAX part please. You write:
> JavaScript will send a request to the server, which will invoke PHP
 
10:23 AM
so, isn't this crossing the line of a client side script?
 
@AwalGarg Nope.
The client is entitled of sending requests to the server.
The server doesn't care whether the request came by browser, by XHR, by curl, by telnet, or by any other means.
 
@SecondRikudo its not entitled of receiving data on the go. right?
 
@AwalGarg Receiving requests? That's the job of the server.
 
oops... data.
 
@AwalGarg What do you mean "on the go"?
 
10:26 AM
@SecondRikudo like, you are watching cricket match "live". So you are getting the images "on the go" straight from the stadium...
 
@AwalGarg You mean streaming data
 
@SecondRikudo kinda. Yes.
 
@AwalGarg Usually, the client opens a connection to the server
And the server streams data back on that connection.
 
ok. so browser opens a connection, requests data, server sends it, connection closed, browser displays it to us. ?
 
Browser displays data as it gets it
meh I don't like my answer, nevermind
hastebin.com/anaheweguj.txt dropped it at that, because "inb4 nodejs"
 
10:41 AM
@Zirak you are doing great. Please continue. I would love to see that in the form of a complete well-written answer...
 
@Zirak I like it
 
Fine I'll continue
Use nc and shit
 
"The server will not use your client-side JavaScript code" should clear it up
 
10:59 AM
Is it possible to select multiple lines in a text box at once? Like in Sublime Text ? So that the blinking "|" appears on multiple lines I mean.
 
No
 
Aw
 
unless you paint your own textbox
 
Yeah.. I suppose I can do some overlay that fakes multiple | blinks
 
you'll have a hard time aligning that with the text
 
11:02 AM
Touching a half empty beer can with a electronic flyswatter does not kill the fly. Just creates a big spark. Fyi
 
JSBin's editor supports multiple cursors
 
@SomeGuy Yeah I can see that. Awesome!
 
you could have multiple textboxes + buncha code
 
I'm gonna try and download jsbin from github. Perhaps I can figure out how it does that
 
huh, I was sure I had php installed
This is probably a good sign, to be honest
Time to ruin it
So apache2 wants me to downgrade packages
I don't like it
nginx it is
 
11:32 AM
:D
@SecondRikudo your Q&A might be a dupe
It's a dupe imo, but do whatever you think is best about it.
 
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A: When and where does JavaScript run, how about PHP? Can I combine the two?

ZirakWelcome to McBurger, a fancy (yeah right) burger joint. The smell of dried-up grease invades your nostrils, causing your bowels to gurgle with a mixture of disgust and delight. You patiently wait in line behind a mother of what should be human children. Finally, you meet the teenage cashier face ...

Rants welcome
Man I haven't even talked about javascript, but about the client/server separation
 
duuupe
 
gnuplot is quite nice
 
and the diagrams in @SecondRikudo's answers are eerily similar to the diagrams in an answer to another duplicate I've already seen
 
Yep
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Q: Reference: What is the difference between client-side and server-side programming?

deceze Note: This is a made up sample question to illustrate the general problem that comes up again and again, to provide a canonical answer below. I have this code: <script type="text/javascript"> var foo = 'bar'; <?php file_put_contents('foo.txt', ' + foo + '); ?> var b...

Especially before Josiah edited it
 
11:42 AM
anyone wants to strike their dupehammer?
 
I'd rather not do that to @SecondRikudo before he has a say
 
doesn't he have a reopen-hammer?
 
He does, but still.
 
I've already done the same I usually do to dupes of reference questions
 
@Zirak the server can run JavaScript :P The analogy is otherwise good but I don't think people will understand it (I think it'll actually work beter on the dupe given the new title)
 
11:44 AM
1 hour ago, by Zirak
http://hastebin.com/anaheweguj.txt dropped it at that, because "inb4 nodejs"
I've added the "javascript for you", hoping it'll be enough here
Didn't want to muddle it too much
 
12:13 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I think it's actually more similar to my "How do you pass info from PHP to JavaScript" question
As for the diagrams, I made them on the spot using websequencediagrams.com
 
It's like.. the exact same question :P
As the dupe
 
Hmmm... Yeah, it does look like it
I'm now considering which question has better answers
(I'm reading the answers on the suggested dupe)
 
m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum I might have made a useful Angular service for dealing with filters that won't stabilize (inf digest). It seems like a lot of people have been dealing with this and I don't see any elegant solutions. What do you think? jsbin.com/jafisoto/9/edit
 
@m59 why is there a space between every two lines?
 
m59
If anyone can destroy my confidence on this one, it's you :)
See? There we go!
I like space and redundancy, a lot.
 
12:26 PM
You should not have filters that won't stabilize
You should make that transformation in the controller code and bind to its result.
 
It's a tough call @BenjaminGruenbaum. I think my answer is better explained, but his has some nice examples.
 
m59
That seems to be a common enough view, but why? That inevitably requires more code and is less intuitive.
 
@SecondRikudo post your answer on his then
 
Also, my question is a bit more focused, "What's the difference between server-side and client-side" sounds like a programmers question
 
m59
Putting code that transforms an array in a general sort of way seems like it definitely is a filter rather than a service.
 
12:29 PM
@m59 because it goes against the digest cycle, the filter should not trigger a lasting a mutation on the data.
Wait, I have a better way to put it - filters and transformations should always be pure.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's not feasible since the question was already posted :P This is a question of which gets closed a duplicate of which
 
Given the same input they must always give the same output @m59
 
m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum Isn't that the issue I solved, though? It does now.
 
@m59 no, you just cached it, you're working around the digest cycle and not with it.
@SecondRikudo well, you have my thoughts - do whatever you think is best.
 
m59
To me, that sounds like an Angular weakness though.
 
12:31 PM
It's just not what a filter does...
 
m59
input data output transformed data?
 
Angular expects filters to be referentially transparent, once you don't make them as such - things go bad.
That's what filters are about, if you don't like how they behave then don't use filters.
Although it could dirty check against the original input and not the filter as a fw . I guess that's just usually more expensive.
 
m59
But that's determining the overall architecture based on the implementation
I mean, I don't want to care about how a filter works, so much as the idea of a filter in general
By the way, I'm taking all of this to heart, not meaning to sound argumentative
Your advice is crazy awesome, so I just want to work out my skepticism :)
 
12:45 PM
@benjamingruenbaum earlier you were concerned about being called up to service, any word?
 
He was called up for a while in the middle, wasn't he?
 
1:03 PM
@SomeKittensUx2666 still free
Even if I were called up to service, I wouldn't be in a lot of danger.
 
@xxx mvp is minimal viable product. it's basically scoping a project to the most minimal feature set required for it to be useful enough to help someone with at least 1 specific problem.
@SufiDeveloper thanks. good suggestion.
 
1:24 PM
@MarkAtRamp51 I actually have a bunch of ideas I'm toying around in, but I'm working from home at this time (literally, I have VS open on the second monitor) maybe another time :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum np dude. i was more motivated to kick this off yesterday then I am this morning. right now I'm thinking about hitting up IHOP for some breakfast. :-)
 
coolstuff
 
hit me up if you ever want to team up on something.
 
@MarkAtRamp51 Why not do them yourself?
 
@benjamingruenbaum good to hear it.
 
1:37 PM
ty
 
1:51 PM
@MarkAtRamp51 You're welcome. When you manage to think outside the box and mentally simulate an alternative reality (which can be both the same thing depending on which angle you look at), you'll start to be overwhelmed with ideas. As long as humans exist there will be always need of something, and that needs can be translated to money/services.
 
This is cool: bugmenot.com
 
If it only worked with interesting sites :) Most of the sites are aware of bugmenot :/
It was cooler back then
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm sorry for some of the snarky and non-researched comments on your question and realize that it was indirectly because of me. I liked how you politely handled them though, kudos!
 
@SufiDeveloper wasn't your fault. No need to feel sorry about it. Your answer is good.
@Zirak doesn't really work for the past 5 years
 
greetings from wacken! ;)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Glad for that :)
 
1:57 PM
@SufiDeveloper from really fake to not fake at all, how fake is this: facebook.com/… ? Is it legit?
 
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