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2:18 PM
Though in his defense, I don't doubt that someone who could write a job ad like that needs a good programmer / web designer
Without the web designers of the world, most pages would still look like they did in 1994 with flashing text and frames
 
2:33 PM
@EnglishMaster totally
@EnglishMaster hm, they "we've moved" page is pointing to a nonexisting location
anyway, I guess you guys would know, I need to make a Pentium 2 server silent
I was wondering if anyone has any experience with homegrown servers
 
why am I so bad at javascript you guys?
 
!!youtube louis ck why
 
Louis is so awesome
@PatsyIssa You should check Demetri Martin out
 
O.o what sorcery is this @CapricaSix where are you -.-
 
!!You there?
 
2:41 PM
@SomeGuy i know the guy he's hilarious :P
 
:D
!!live
 
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@Crowz That's a positive thing.. that means you've improved
Nobody can see how far they've come if they don't look back and see how much distance has been put behind them
 
I just started like a week ago
 
i'm new with bower, and just encountered a weird issue with our build process (bower.json: gist.github.com/dylanlgs/8559989) the angular-ui-router package has stopped including the files in release/ and started including the files in site/
hoping someone here has encountered something similar
 
2:59 PM
@dyelawn Is this really bower issue? Sound like problem with build process.
 
bot back up. my bad
 
!!live :]
@CapricaSix are you there? :D
 
@Miszy yeah i just found an issue on their github repo, it's the package not bower.
 
She’s running on your machine?
 
3:07 PM
^
 
user image
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@poke yeap. its rlemon's office's spare computer iirc.
@rlemon you can set a .bat to automate the bot - no ?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar please, @rlemon, tell me that this is an actual thing!
 
hey guys!
 
You've changed avatar?
 
@Miszy yep
that's my real face... so you know with who/what you have to be angry with when you are angry
and you can think: that's actually a pretty retarded face XD
 
3:21 PM
@GNi33 not sure what cup that is
my Tims cups have a "hot be careful" warning on them
@poke yes I host the bot. FF on a spare PC
 
once we(me and my sister) gave a cup (as a present) to our father saying: be nice to your kids, they'll choose your nursing home
 
hey guys...
still haning with my problem
how does facebook do that...(((((
can someone help me plz
 
Does what?
 
when u open fullsite version on mobile it dosent use position fixed for the blueBar ... the top menu
how does it do that
 
Google it?
 
3:32 PM
il googling it for 24 hours
called all my freinds developers
no one knows...
 
@mikrowelt You can debug mobile on your computer
 
yeah i do that...
man i know u think im just lazy or something but its really a problem... no solution in google found...
 
I don't get your problem. What doesn't use position fixed? Which bar?
 
i tried to detect mobile but it fails... its imposible
got to facebook... see the blue menu bar on the top?>
with position fixed
 
yes?
 
3:34 PM
so if u opne it on mobile platform... its not fixed its static
 
By mobile you mean m.facebook.com ?
 
nope full version
facebook/home.php
 
You can use media query for that?
@media screen and (max-width: 400px) { position: static; }
 
its not a solution ... becouse if squeeze my window it wont help
ohhh
they do the way u said
ty man i love u...
 
@Miszy you've just saved him another 24h of googling, I'spose
 
3:44 PM
his friends developers may really know a lot...
 
lol... u know alot...
yesterday u couldnt help...
 
Because noone cares about stupid questions.
You can google it in 5 minutes.
Or less.
 
@mikrowelt wait... what? what happened yesterday?
 
ok im stupid ur cool
 
[object Object] bitch @BartekBanachewicz :D
@mikrowelt Noone said you're stupid, but nvm.
 
3:48 PM
@Miszy hrhrhr
 
That reminds me of some futurama reference..
 
@BartekBanachewicz friends don't let friends <hr>
 
@copy digikey.com/product-search/en/cable-assemblies/smart-cables/… any idea if there is anywhere cheaper for this?
I know you use you PI :P
 
4:04 PM
A usb-serial cable for RPI?
 
How can you argue with "Plus I kinda like typing my name for a function" ?
I'm in thailand and my server is in england, I cant afford to get a mirror so no pain no game! Plus I kinda like typing my name for a function and I have seen speed increased quite a bit! — Ben Muircroft 2 mins ago
 
@dystroy function ben() {... }
 
hi, is it possible to get a reference to an object with the object itself obj and the attributes in string form 'address.town.street' so that at the end it resolves obj.address.town.street
 
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Q: More lines are displayed in NodeJS debugger

Ionică BizăuHaving a file (let's call it script.js) with the following content: console.log("Hello World!"); (so, one line with a console.log on it) Runnning node script.js it outputs "Hello World!". The problem is when I run node debug script.js. I get the following output: $ node debug script.js < d...

Is this a bug, or...?
 
@IonicăBizău No, see the comment
 
@copy I guess the same thing, but I am think that it's supposed to not be shown in debug....
 
Yeah, but nobody cares
 
@copy yes, but without the expansion board.
I couldn't find an expansion board for rs232 that would ship in under 5 weeks
@BartekBanachewicz I imagine he wants obj["foo.bar.baz"] to evaluate to obj.foo.bar.baz ??
 
@rlemon could've written it that way :/ BTW, fun fact, in Lua obj.foo is equivalent to obj["foo"]
 
4:24 PM
same in js
 
I never understood why JS has different things for arrays and objects
 
but chaining properties doesn't work. it would assume the key "foo.bar.baz"
Arrays are just very special objects.
 
@rlemon obviously.
@rlemon what's so special about them?
I mean, they have a different prototype
but otherwise... why are they even different?
 
the values within are numerically indexed in the order they are added. And it has a length property that reflects the current number of values in the array... AND you can treat them like regular objects.
 
You think arrays should be hashmaps?
 
4:26 PM
GOOOOOOOD MORNING
 
numerical index + order === the big difference
 
@copy Well I don't think it should be "OMG CHANGED IMMAHDIATELY", but Lua has only hash tables and it's quite straightforward.
 
m59
I really don't think it's necessary to start with "it's because joomla code is terrible," joomla tends to use single responsibility plus have a strong approach to making things overridable and makes things modular. I think having having a small number of overly complex and unreadable files is more terrivle. @bla2eOD I'm not sure what your last page is, you edit joomla by editing with the built in edit functions, the UI for the editor is no different than what you'd get editing a single "page." — Elin 6 hours ago
:'(
But it really is necessary.
 
@rlemon but objects can have numerical indices too
 
m59
It was so timely!
 
4:27 PM
so ordering is the only real difference
 
@BartekBanachewicz Lua is special because they want to keep it minimal, but we're trying to do some serious programming here
@BartekBanachewicz Not so in JavaScript :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz no guaranteed order, and the numerical index isn't default.
 
@copy I don't see how Lua tables are inferior to JS tables/objects in any aspect.
 
@m59 Replied. But why are you answering Joomla questions?!?
 
@rlemon what do you mean by "isn't default"?
 
m59
4:28 PM
I know Joomla.
 
how would you default a key in a hash map?
 
Don't we have a room for this?
 
@rlemon I think I don't understand the question :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz We want something that can only store numeric keys
 
@m59 Me too, I just don't like the average quality
 
m59
4:29 PM
I didn't mean to get help hehehe, I was just uhh torn between stating my strong opinion and being nicer
It's all fun and games to make of Joomla until someone is offended.
 
@copy but I can check at runtime, right? setmettable(tb, { __newindex = function(i) if !isnumber(i) throw "fuck" end end });
 
@BartekBanachewicz You can, but you don't always want to write that. And it'll make optimisation easier
 
m59
I guess people shouldn't so offended. It really is awful. Is there a CMS that is written well?
 
@m59 dude... WordPress is a rock.
 
@m59 Just do it in Django. It's not a CMS, but you can build things very quickly
 
4:32 PM
can't get much better code than WP
 
m59
lolzzzzzz @rlemon
 
all companies should host their websites with WordPress
 
m59
I hope you're kidding or I'm the biggest fail of all time.
 
would make the web so much better
obvious troll is obvious
 
@copy Lua optimizes tables with numeric keys only anyway. And does a pretty damn good job at this. I don't think it's a reasonable requirement for dynamicly-checked language, too.
 
4:33 PM
The people who get offended when you insult the CMS of their choice don't have programming experience outside of said CMS
 
@copy also Lua has this funky notation when you can write local a = Array { 1, 2, 3 }, where Array is just a function (in which you can put the line I wrote)
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 eh, I just don't see a point in insulting it. sure I dislike it, but that is.. like... just my opinion man..
 
m59
@rlemon
in PHP, Jan 17 at 5:07, by m59
**From the docs:**

The wp_title() function should not be used by a theme in conjunction with other strings or functions (like concatenating with bloginfo('name')) to write the content of the <title> element

**Default Usage**

<title><?php bloginfo('name'); ?> <?php wp_title(); ?></title>
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's cool, but still, I don't want to write setmettable all the time or implement something in that direction. The language should just have it
 
@copy the language or the library? :) (cue C++'s if-it's-possible-as-a-library-make-it-a-library attitude)
essentially C++'s only language-level data structure is a C table.
 
4:38 PM
I don't mind too much if it's in the library, but syntactical sugar like [1,2,3] is nice too
 
@copy now here's the deal (IMHO): either you are statically typed and you can infer the real collection type from that, or you're not and you write Array { 1, 2, 3 } instead of just { 1, 2, 3 }.
 
m59
in PHP, Jan 14 at 22:34, by m59
If the WordPress Loop is good programming, atheism seems slightly more viable.
 
C# is nice
 
m59
Take that as a stab at WordPress considering my convictions, not a stab at atheism :)
 
new string[] { "one", "two", "three" }
 
4:39 PM
but that boils down to "do we want to be more explicit with our code" again, which is far beyond the scope of the discussion.
 
m59
@rlemon ^ I read most of the WordPress docs last week and was telling my wife that if I found out WordPress was good programming, I would have doubts about my faith because if I could be that wrong about something, I could just as easily wrong about everything else :)
 
^ Boring now but had live feed from Ukrainian streets
 
@m59 It's still PHP at the end of the day.
 
m59
@SomeKittensUx2666 forgive my ignorance, at what am I looking?
I tried to avoid ending that sentence with "at" and I'm not sure I did any better.
 
Your ignorance is acceptable, there's been nary a peep about this from the US mainstream media
Ukraine is in the middle of a revolution right now
 
4:47 PM
@SomeKittensUx2666 Censored in Germany
 
Basically, the EU wants to bring Ukraine in, the people are for it, the corrupt leadership isn't.
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 yeah I've been reading about it actually
they banned public gatherings right?
and wearing masks ect.
 
@copy That's odd, the perception is very much in EU's favor
 
read about it all last week, pretty crazy
 
@Loktar Yeah. Started pulling cell phone data to figure out who's at the protests
 
4:49 PM
@SomeKittensUx2666 No, not like that. Censored by a private company that represents musicians, because apparently that channel plays music without their license
 
sigh
why me
 
flickr.com/photos/jordibernabeu/11178528714 <-- The earthmover is run by protestors.
 
Basically half of Youtube is blocked for us
 
@copy ...I hate copyright law sometimes.
 
i just got a new job
no admin rights on my local machine smh
so frustrating
 
4:50 PM
> I don't usually comment on articles but I think you hit the nail on the head except for one thing. I don't think we're tired of protests, I think we're afraid we may start protesting ourselves.
 
makes me wanna quit
 
@hanleyhansen Keep in mind the current discussion is about people literally dying for their freedom in freezing cold Ukraine
!!tell hanleyhansen define perspective
 
Oh, hi Chris Hansen
 
m59
holy heck. The protesters built a catapult.
 
4:54 PM
@copy howdy
 
SERIOUSLY?
 
Hi
Any WebGL experts here? Thanks :)
 
@phenomnomnominal is, but not sure if hes awake still
lol why was that flagged?
 
@10k'ers, flagged message because he's spamming it for the past 12 hrs.
 
@TimTimmy now I can help you
 
4:59 PM
oooh ok
 
just not here, I guess
 
was thinking I must have missed something
 
@SomeKittens I'm totally serious!
 
@TimTimmy not. here.
 
I don't see why that is spamming
 
4:59 PM
@TimTimmy Yes, you are
 
I'm searching around
 
well to be completely fair people told you to go away
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 I've been here for some time, and I know what spamming is
 
hi guys
this is 2nd day of my mini hackathon :D
tomorrow is the presentation day :P
// expect lots of vampirizm today
 
@Bartek So you're good in WebGL?
 
5:02 PM
@TimTimmy define good
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 How do you expect me to find a webgl expert?
 
if you have something with position: absolute; and another div goes over it, how can you make sure the div that goes over it is the "active" div? As in, stuff below it is not selectable. I've tried setting up the z-index
 
@BartekBanachewicz knowledgeable enough to create a 3d modelling site
Bye for now!
 
@BartekBanachewicz ^ are u ?
have u got the balls to make google sketchup on line ... jk jk
 
@TimTimmy A job board?
Say, Careers 2.0?
 
5:04 PM
@TimTimmy that's a deep subject. What's a modelling site for you?
 
m59
@SomeKittensUx2666 This is kind of random, but then again, not so random. Last night, I applied for a place heavily involved in promoting democracy and human rights throughout the world. I also sent them this paper I wrote because it seemed relevant. goodgraphics.us/johnnyhauser/sacrifice-me.pdf
That's the summary of my philosophy about an individual's role in making the world just.
 
5:22 PM
@SomeKittensUx2666 I have had enough of you saying that asking around is spamming, because it is not. I am being serious, and there will hopefully be a website for it in the future. I am free to ask around.
@BartekBanachewicz read here if you won't mind: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/8888/the-renderfarm
That's what I hope to change forever - capabilities as advanced as Blender, download offline version, automatic saving - blasting speeds.
 
this is a serious project.
I mean, look how big the codebase of Blender is.
if you want something as advanced as blender, you have to be prepared for pretty much the same amount of work.
or even more actually, considering the browser differences
 
And before I'd embark on anything, I'd make sure my platform is solid, which is to say, it works with any browser which can support it
And the interface should be the same cross browsers (meaning you'd have to make quite a few pollyfill methods)
If, for everything you try to do in your modeling program, you have to ensure the browser supports it, you'll always be programming low-level
 
Can someone make me the next facebook too real quick?
id like some residual income
 
I'm about to pull my hair out, I'm writing up a firefox extension as POC.. the issue is i'm stuck the most mundane thing... getting the toolbar icon to properly display. It seems to be loading in all of the icons in chrome://browser/content/browser.xulor something because the icon for the addon is all of the toolbar icons available.. anyone have any ideas?
 
offline mode too plis mens
 
5:28 PM
@Loktar k, sec
 
@TimTimmy Yeah, you'd need $500,000+ to even start thinking about that.
Area developer turns down massive opportunity to build mobile app for unemployed high school best friend
 
I agree, that's an extremely ambitious project
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 lol
 
To get it anywhere near usable, it would require years of development
And usable doesn't mean professionals would want to use it. Usable means you can use it
 
well if you narrow functionality to something like sketchup or 123D, it's not that unrealistic
but he explicitly wrote "as advanced as blender"
 
5:30 PM
Someone relieve me from my grief !!
 
@NickFury Agent Coulson didn't really die.
 
It might actually take less time to develop a web application that lets you see a screenshot of blender from a server and use blender that way
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 long live the S.H.I.E.L.D
 
Citrix has already achieved that for the most part
 
@miszy got any exercise that I should do? maybe another website recreation...
 
5:33 PM
@Cicada3301 create a blender equivalent in web
 
@BartekBanachewicz blender? what is that?
 
an elaborate joke on you
 
...
how about no...
 
how about a facebook alternative?
 
Suggestions on programming challenges along the lines of FizzBuzz (simple things that should take ~5 minutes to implement)?
 
5:36 PM
@SomeKittensUx2666 Given an array of length >= 3, find i, j, k such that i<j<k and array[i] < array[j] < array[k] or null if it does not exist
That actually isn't that simple :P
That's more like a 15 minute problem
 
make a function that gets the bigger number, or smaller, or the string that contains the most that chosen letter... pretty simple
 
These guys have been coding for two days
 
and less than 5 mins... I hope
 
How about, given string a, return true if it is a palindrome or false if it isn't
If they use recursion, you ask them to do the same without recursion and vice versa
 
Ooh, good one
 
5:37 PM
@Neil that takes less than 1 minute...
 
They don't know about recursion yet.
@Cicada3301 Not for absolute beginning programmers.
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 maybe...
 
@Cicada3301 <Insert condescending remark here>
 
It's more than just 'make (yet another) for loop'
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 so the first language you taught them is js?
 
5:38 PM
@SomeKittensUx2666 for something a bit longer, I think that a binary tree is a cool thing to write
and it's really not that hard.
 
data structures are really quite fun to make
 
How it currently works: Class is split up into teams. Each team writes out (in English) specific instructions to solve said problem. The teams switch instructions and implement the other team's solutions.
 
shame you never really need to build your own
@SomeKittensUx2666 Interesting idea :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz using arrays? I still don't have much an idea how I could do it graphically...
 
Tests their capability to understand the problem and interpret a problem in words
@Cicada3301 Ah, the mysterious world of pointers
 
5:41 PM
@SomeKittensUx2666 just a curiosity: how many are they?
 
@Cicada3301 yes, I meant the data structure, not its visualization.
 
You'll get there one day padawan
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 sounds funny
 
@Cicada3301 Hmm, there are n teams. You switch instructions with the other team... How many could there be?
 
@Neil fuck me... I only know some js, html, css, a bit of python and some really really basic stuff in ruby... that's C, right?
@Neil not the teams, the people
 
5:42 PM
Exactly. Coding's more about the process of problem-solving and proper communication
@Cicada3301 11
 
@Cicada3301 Ah, sorry
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 cool
 
@rlemon any clue how to disable anyone messaging me on hangouts ?
 
@Cicada3301 Pointers is every language. It's that many languages hide how pointers are handled
But to answer your question, C, C++ mainly
 
@Neil some wise guy once told me that pointers link to variables directly in the hardware... don't think that exists in js...
maybe you're referring to simple variables
 
m59
5:45 PM
Let's see if can remember this...
 
@Neil when we talk about code my father keeps saying how much fun they were and how old and how deprecated they are...
 
@Cicada3301 Well shoot that wise guy. I never said that pointers link to variables directly in the hardware, whatever that means
 
not that I believe him
@Neil it was miszy... even tho I'm not sure if it was the hardware or what...
 
m59
dern
 
@Cicada3301 that's pretty much correct
@Neil RAM maps directly to hardware. At least used to.
 
5:46 PM
I just mean, in javascript, when you pass an object into a function, even though you cannot see it, the script uses pointers to handle it.
 
Also embedded.
 
when he was talking about pointers to other guys I asked him: are they variables? and he said: yes, variables, but linked directly to some hard(don't take me wrong) thing in your pc
 
You have a hash map with variable name and a pointer which points to a data structure of some sort
If you pass variable into a function, it copies the pointer, not the data
 
in VMs it works a bit differently
@Cicada3301 well they are variables no less.
 
@Neil but I don't think they're stored directly in the hardware...
even if I have no idea how does a pc really works...
 
m59
5:48 PM
!!Math.max.apply(Math, [99,25,35,65])
oh duh, I should never code when I'm tired
or type
 
@Cicada3301 Everything is "hardware" to some extent.. it's not like the software is separate from the hardware
 
@m59 nobody should ever could
@Neil wait... I think I remember: it's everything that's not a software...
screw my life
 
When you save information to a variable, some address in ram gets its 0s and 1s overwritten
 
now I'm truly confused...
 
m59
Caprica?
anyway @Cicada3301 that one line is what you suggested hehe
 
5:50 PM
!!live
 
@m59 dead... she has been reported at github
 
@RLEMON!!!!
 
software is just another way of abstracting away the circuitry and focusing on what it does and what are better ways to think about how that data is represented and used
 
@m59 you forgot the '>' over '!!'
and screw my life again
 
m59
oh
 
5:51 PM
@m59 she's dead anyway
 
But it's not like if I save a string into a variable in software that somehow nothing happens in hardware
 
@Neil well... software is based and processed by hardware, right?
 
No, that's not a proper relationship
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 how about a prime checker? that takes like 8 minutes for beginners if they have the right mind... that could really take them into thinking how a coder thinks
 
If software is transportation, hardware is a car/truck/scooter
It's the same thing ultimately.. the difference is abstraction
 
5:54 PM
@Neil transportation is interpreted by car/track/scooter...
 
@Cicada3301 In fact software is not interpreted by hardware either..
That sounds stupid in both instances
 
one quick question for websites: how does one automatically gets new data without refreshing the page? like some very fast clock with GET ?
 
@Cicada3301 WebSockets?
 
@Neil Now I'm very confused...
 
also long-polling
 
5:55 PM
@SomeKittensUx2666 how do they work?
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 are u fucking kidding me
 
@Cicada3301 Google up some tutorials.
@AbhishekHingnikar whine whine whine
 
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 what whine whine whine ?
 
Long cat polling
 
5:55 PM
he asked GET man !!!
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 it's not how to do it... it's just that I'm curious...
 
you gotta tell him comet ! <3 or tell him about sockets & websocket :P
@Cicada3301 basically everytime you make an http request you send a bunch of headers and resolve the dns shit which takes a lot of time :P :P and thats where you call it latency . But in case of websocket the connection is held open like a pipe
whenver you have data on either side you can send / recieve. Read html5rocks about websockets.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar that makes sense...
@Miszy hey
 
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A: Pushing updates from server

Abhishek HingnikarUpdate As of 8-10-2013 : The point of library and support lacking for node.js has mostly disappeared infact due to libs like mean.io you can actually get yourself one up and running in matter or hours. Anush as told in the above two replies which were really informative you have 2 solutions for ...

 
@Cicada3301 You can use either Websockets or HTML5 Notifications API
 
5:58 PM
basically you want to push updates from server
you can use either one :P
@Miszy notifications api is not as fast as websockets
but well http2.0 is going to change so much :D
 
@AbhishekHingnikar But it's working ;)
 
@AbhishekHingnikar didn't even heard about that
@Miszy you're deluding me: not going for efficiency D: (jk)
 
@Cicada3301 yeah its under construction
but it has lots of new stuff. LOADS OF NEW STUFF i must say
 
@Cicada3301 You didn't hear about many things :)
 
@Miszy I heard the thing you just said many times...
 
5:59 PM
ps bbye guys
i gotta get myself working :D
 

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