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5:02 PM
nah i wasn't there
last week I was busy celebrating getting a new job
cyanogen is basically collapasing
 
ha
where are you now?
 
new job where nat?
 
Haven't started quite yet
but it's called Providence DIG
It's the Digital Innovation Group of a huge hospital chain
basically medical R&D
got a senior mobile engineer slot there
 
nice
I've got a friend who works in IT at Providence
 
5:14 PM
@rupinderjeet47 yes i know about that
 
oh cool carl
how do they like it?
the DIG team seems pretty sweet, nice location, pays really well, and they have some pretty awsome projects slated
also have one more android slot open, so if anyone wants to apply I know a guy =)
 
which country?
how many year experience?
 
seattle
it's a senior position, they want somone at "my level or above"
so 4-5 years
 
not looking to leave starbucks yet
 
yea just tossing it out there for the room
ya never no
 
5:21 PM
i have 5 years but US
is a problem
 
I imagine they'd sponsor for a work visa if you were a good fit
but I don't know that I'd want to move internationally for a job unless I really wanted to live in the place
 
i see what is the interview process
 
there was a phone screen, then an online screen (three questions) that is supposed to take 90 minutes, but took me about 3 hours
 
well even if not interview will be a good experience for me
 
then there's the onsite which is a typical 6 hour onsite
but only one tech question
the rest was behavioral/teamfit stuff
it was intense, but the onsite was really pleasant
compared to a lot of places where the onsite is just like operation fuck you
 
5:25 PM
 
you come in with style Dave?
 
nice nath
how to apply
gonna give a try
 
you know I got the style een
 
if someone needs a junior, and buggy coder, you can tell me.
 
5:30 PM
me
 
how can i help you?
 
you could get us all coffee
 
can you shoot me your linked in cold?
i'll forward it to my recruiter
 
ohh gotcha, how about some "Java" dave?
 
haha
 
5:41 PM
I would like espresso
need proper tests
 
i just came to know that espresso is a coffee too
 
@NathanielD.Waggoner ok sure
 
wait i need to check my linkedIn account
havent logged in in months
@rupinderjeet47 lol
rupinder coffee it is
and beans for dave
 
Rare image of a shark stepping on a Lego. https://t.co/xkadJmPkRg
 
5:54 PM
heh
 
@codeMagic next time run those little feathered punks over, cook em up and stuff em in a turkey.
lol netpork
 
lol netpork
@NathanielD.Waggoner i will ping once i get my email found and account started is that ok?
 
sure, you can shoot me your resume too if you want
 
ok sure will do that do
 
once you have that copied lmk i'm gonna delete =)
 
5:57 PM
done
yeah i was gonna tell you delete that
anybody used contentValues?
i accidently gave the size to context values lesser than the item i inserted into it
how will the contentValues handle this ?
 
6:34 PM
Who wants to hear something annoying?
 
no thanks
 
So homecoming, pep rally at the end of the day.
Put in my earbuds, opened up my book. All of a sudden I hear uproar, some good and some bad. I look up to see two seniors running around the gym where we were with an American flag and a Trump flag.
 
@TristanWiley I've already heard you talk enough for one day
 
It's just really annoying...
 
also trump supporters are also why we have honey boo boo and how george bush got elected
you just need to accept the fact that no matter how awesome a piece of technology is, it will be used to draw a dick somehow and that's about half of america
 
6:41 PM
giant douche vs turd sandwich, 'nuff said.
 
I can't take it, if they had any political reasoning in why they support him I think I'd be a little less annoyed. But it's...
 
more like turd sandwich and pile of turds filling your entire house but yeah neither is great
 
breathe
 
their reasoning is they are persuaded by emotional arguments that Hillary is this evil corporate mastermind, and she may be, but they made up their mind that trump is their guy so they don't look twice at anything else.
 
@DaveS I'd like to run you over, cook you up, and stuff you in a turkey
 
6:44 PM
haha
 
haha
 
@DaveS the same is true on both sides
 
sure but he was asking about trump supporters
john oliver's last segment, (Scandals) kind of sums it up
Hilary looks bad but Trumps a straight up crook
 
I can't listen to john oliver talk
 
6:48 PM
they're all crooks, thats how you get that job
 
^
 
I just wish one of them would read the damn constitution
 
@Homer6 Welcome. Please read the room rules room-15.github.io
 
I'm getting off topic, droid con was pretty great
I got to meet peter lafortune (maker of proguard)
 
did you meet mac and nana?
 
6:50 PM
No..they were there?
 
hello peeps
 
damn
 
yeah
 
I have read and understood the rules
 
today I have work...my coworker is there now for the day
 
6:51 PM
hello
 
we are doing recruiting so we had a booth
 
o/ petey eski
 
hi cold fire
 
@raghunath You need 80 rep among other things to get write access here room-15.github.io
You can request again after giving back a little more and meeting our criteria
 
anyhoo...peter lafortune = good guy && savior of android for a while
good guy are my words. I think diane hackborn said the savior part
 
6:53 PM
 
 
that kitten is sad because it doesn't have butterfly wings
 
^^ truth
 
I was wondering if you know of a good place to work for company when you're just starting out in Android. I've been a developer for 12 years, but have recently decided to focus entirely on Android. I've read several books on it, but would like to get fulltime experience building Android apps. Do you have any suggestions on how I should go about that?
Most places I've seen have been, "Welcome to Android. We're going to teach you what a variable is and then after you go through this course, we'll match you up with an employer."
Would prefer to skip the baby steps, if possible.
 
Find a startup, most established companies want a year of experience so they don't need to pay to get you up to speed
 
6:59 PM
I've build a few small games for my son in Android; but, they're nothing serious.
 
So you haven't done any Android and want a job as an Android developer or I missed something? oh
stfu, cM
 
homer, just apply
 
haha CM
udacity is nice
homer
 
That's what I'm doing now. But, thought I'd ask to see if you guys had some other options.
 
And put those "few small games" in your resume. If you have that much experience and the games aren't written like Dave's code pure crap, someone will give you a job
 
7:01 PM
Udacity was the "Welcome to Android" thing that I was mentioning.
 
not everything is about being an advanced specialized developer
 
really i thought it was better
 
you might find some places hiring want an engineer, a person who can complete/resolve issues, and they actually try to develop your career
 
Not sure if my game is crap or not... thoughts? github.com/homer6/counting-game
Is it just me or does anyone else think that any piece of code without comments look like garbage?
 
can you add a readme w/ screenshots to that repo?
NumberGridFragment.java could use some code comments/javadoc
 
7:05 PM
great idea... will do
 
but I dont see anything to relate the word crap to it AT ALL
 
yeah it looks good homer
You might take a pay cut from 12 yrs experience, but you could probably find a job as an Android developer
 
What do you guys think of the "everything in a fragment" paradigm?
 
I think that's an awful idea
Fragments only when necessary
 
And remove the fragments
 
7:07 PM
haha
 
Oh, Dave's got me covered
 
i use fragments almost everywhere
 
This book advocates that paradigm's use: bignerdranch.com/we-write/android-programming
 
> codeMagic has kicked ColdFire from the room Feeds-just now
 
7:09 PM
Was curious what others were using in practice.
 
Homer, Fragments complicate things unless you need them. I use them for a ViewPager in my MainActivity and for my Dialogs
 
ahh
Do you guys have a document or book that you all highly recommend as a group (complete with best practices)?
 
This one is pretty good. And I know it gets used A LOT
 
Yeah I taught myself mostly from SO
and Android developer docs, occasional blog posts
 
I think Vogella used to have some decent tutorials. Not sure about now
Mark Murphy's book is pretty good
Haven't looked there yet. Been to scared to
 
do you guys have some antipatterns or things that you don't like about Android that you'd avoid using?
thanks for the book links... I'll digest them all
 
haha CM
 
7:17 PM
 
Homer, it may just be me but I found simpler is better. Introduce patterns out of necessity not because it's the hip thing to do
 
the think i hate about android is for every damn thing you need context
 
And there were only two suggestions. Only one of which was a book :P
 
Do most of the apps that you build have almost no fragments? When can you not get away from it?
 
i have fragment almost in all apps
makes things so simple
 
7:19 PM
I have never used them in production but that's probably just me
 
but mostly you need them with viewpager
otherwise you can skip them
 
they didn't seem like a pain to use... maybe that was just me
 
o/
 
o/ mac
 
7:21 PM
I try not to drink the koolaid though and instead try to stick with what's logical and simple.
 
hey tristan o/
 
i didn't used fragments before too.
but i just started
 
For me, it's not about them being hard to use but it seems like there's too much potential for unnecessary headaches. I don't know of an absolute need for them
 
CM i would love to know what headaches you faced with fragment?
 
i want to use this icon, but its copyrighted :/
 
7:28 PM
make your own?
 
never used designing tools, no photoshop, maya or blender
 
contact the copyright owner and request use?
 
trees should be easy, I bet you could even code that
 
i tried. no response. 3 days gone.
 
I recently did a blender tutorial that was excellent
 
7:29 PM
 
where? @Homer6
 
trying to find it
 
yea...link us!
 
Hello, Android!
 
Hello, Code!
 
7:30 PM
hello
 
hello world
 
It says $200 now, but I paid $35.
 
oh...u$demy
 
:O
thank you anyway. i will find a free solution.
 
youtube & irc, here we come
 
7:34 PM
How's Room 15 this afternoon?
 
its midnight
 
(rebecca black)
 
@Homer6 It shows a discount down to $19 for me.
 
nice
 
I don't have the time right now, though ;-(
 
7:35 PM
Would be able to produce that graphic in a weekend with that course.
 
nice
 
oh @rupinderjeet47 ... I'd try fiverr.com
 
thanks @FoamyGuy
 
my friend said he got a really good thing modeled in no time with them
 
7:54 PM
@ColdFire Like I said, I didn't run into any real issues but they seemed clumsy and like there could definitely be issues. And I didn't see much of an advantage to using them
 
Sitting behind the Android god himself :)
 
Jake Wharton?
 
I just looked back and I don't see you
 
lol
 
Oh, wait...there you are behind that tree
 
8:02 PM
I just faced West so it must be me
 
lol
 
I wish I wasn't too lazy to go find a banana, put it in the tree outside my window, then come in and take a picture to post
So I'll just explain what I thought about doing and let you all use your imaginations
 
who need banana when you have nana
 
nana with an arts degree?
 
new guy with a nice joke already
 
8:05 PM
hehe
 
I always have fun pointing out to my CS friend that he's doing an arts degree
he loves it
 
8:17 PM
Does anyone have any favourite twitter accounts to follow for Android?
 
@Homer6 I follow @JakeWharton
umm...not sure what else off the top of my head
 
8:44 PM
diane hackborn? ian lake? chet haase?
 
who is chet haase?
 
thx Tim
 
Watch any of their I/O videos, cold
 
ok CM
gn all
 
9:03 PM
good night vold
cold
 
9:14 PM
Giphy is on point today.
 
oh no
 
nice one
 
9:45 PM
Wut
 
lol
 
lol someone never saw sandlot
 
No, I did, just wasn't expecting that gif lol
 
still, glink was clutch
 
10:02 PM
I love that movie!
 
That one too
 
lol
 
THERE WE GO GIPHY
 
10:33 PM
this library is quite nice for making graphs/charts github.com/PhilJay/MPAndroidChart
 
10:52 PM
I have it bookmarked :)
Haven't had a use for it yet though
 
I love @McAdam
 
11:15 PM
 
i think theres an actual reason for that though
testing his feeling in the arm
 
yes I know and there's a reason for Tristan's love
it's just kinda what giphy gave me
 
mmmmAdam?
 
11:28 PM
:D
What commands should I add to my SO Chat Commander?
 
/ignore
/ignore <name> /unignore <name and /ignore (shows list of users on ignore)
 
That's actually a good idea
I'm going to just add it to my issues and put the Hacktoberfest tag on it..
 
you act like it's a surprise that I have good ideas
 
I am surprised Dave! I thought you were just here for gifs, cat pictures, and other random memes.
 
that's just a cover so that people underestimate me as I take over the world
 
11:33 PM
Why would someone want to ignore people here? Arent we all homies here?
 
I want to ignore Tristan pretty much every day
 
Same
 
I added Dave to the ignore list long ago so I don't have to see stupid ideas like the one above
 
clever
 
11:37 PM
Wait, so, why don't you just use the ignore button?
Do you mean ignore locally?
 
Woah! There's a new MacGyver series. I'm both intrigued and scared
 
just basically temporarily hide posts from a user in 15?
maybe cM's just tired of my shit but wants to see stuff from me later
 
Tristan, that's what I meant. I did use the ignore button so I don't have to read his shit that I'm tired of
 
/ignore hides my messages for the session
 
So like /ignore @UserName 15 would ignore for 15 minutes?
 
11:38 PM
or something like that
 
Hmm, okay....
 
also
/PingBomb @Tristan
 
Oh fuck no
 
But I guess I shouldn't because I do appreciate his endorsements on LinkedIn
 
lol
 
11:43 PM
My solution to all my problems. Make a Github Issue, mark it as "help wanted", and say I tried.
 
@codeMagic I watched the first episode last week. It's actually pretty decent.
 
lol
 
Should I add an xkcd command?
 
no
 
11:52 PM
Fortunately I just read about Rossetta
 
Why unfortunately?
 
@Code-Apprentice I just realized it was a thing a few minutes ago. I'm just worried that I'm too old fashioned and it won't be the same
 
It had a good run, gained valuable information :)
 
I think you're about the same age though so you probably watched it as a kid too, huh?
 
11:54 PM
fortunately because I get the comic
 
you should make a /replyLast @<name> so I don't have to click when replying
 
Oooooh
 
@codeMagic I've been watching too much TV lately. Commercials for it all the time.
 
Okay, Dave actually has good ideas...
Dave can I have your number so I can text you when I'm out of ideas at hackathons?
 
Yes I watched it as a kid. Don't really remember a lot other than the actor went on to do Stargate SG1
 
11:57 PM
Dave I can think how to do it, but only if the names were exact
 
well @auto fills while your typing the command
just make it send nothing if it fails
 
Right
 
or insert an error message under the send button
 
Anyone here play Clash of Clans?
 
The other problem is, to ping you I need to type @DaveS not @Dave S
So I have no idea how I'd get it without spaces.
 
11:59 PM
I don't know why I'm so into it lately.
 
if I type @Trist
it gives me the option to make it @TristanWiley by clicking
 

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