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1:00 PM
how can he be sure that he will not end up at the same spot
 
nobody can be sure
 
Well, obviously he can't be 100% but he can have a pretty good idea after talking to people who he'd be working with
Also, if he isn't learning from his team members now, there's not much to lose. And he's quite capable of finding something better if whatever he might take now doesn't work out
 
also the lowest salary in the job description is higher than my current one, so at least I would get a raise :D
 
Haha...that's always nice
 
there are then more than one reason for switching to a new job
I thought that you are happy with the money you get there
 
1:03 PM
 
So, once you get to an amount that you are happy with you shouldn't be willing to take more? Sounds like the "raise" is just an added benefit.
Anyway, I'll stop speaking for Warren now and let him answer. Lol
 
I need to get a doughnut anyway
 
I've never had doughnuts
 
The entire reason we exist is because doughnuts
 
1:06 PM
@warren whoooo who are you going for? You know we have a job opening?!
Hi #AndroidDev we are looking for a new colleague to help us to improve Wunderlist for Android. Have a look: https://goo.gl/Kzthh8
 
Come to Atlassian!
 
Raghav, wut? Why? Go get you one now!
 
But I'm in class :(
 
You go to classes? What do you think this is, Java?
 
Explain why you are leaving and they will understand
 
1:08 PM
but I guess the real deal for you would be novoda?
 
@Banana write access to this room requires a min 100 rep on SO among other things found here --> room-15.github.io
 
since you're more into agencies, right?
 
o/
 
\o
 
@Glitch Chinese, actually
 
1:10 PM
@Anjan denied for low A:Q ratio and only using chat for support. Give back a little more first
 
Glitch: Atlassian is in Australia, right? I don't want to live there, sorry. The death-death ratio is too damn high there
 
We have offices in many countries, including the US.
 
US is the second worst country on my list :)
 
:(
 
"Get sick, be ruined" is screaming in my mind when I think about US
 
1:12 PM
Australia is great, our national sport is leadership spills
 
Ha, I'm Indian
I can just go and get treated in India
Might die, but worth it
 
lol
 
I didn't know that Wunderlist relates to Microsoft ^^
 
what is a death-death ratio?
 
@Ahmad I react to a job offer from a headhunter, so I do not know yet what is behind the offer. But I doubt you are a company with 70+ employees in IT, right?
 
1:15 PM
Errrm we are!
we have 60+ right now
 
death-death ratio lol
 
hm interesting, well I can send him my resume, maybe there will be some talks :)
 
:D
 
@WarrenFaith which is the first?
 
@VeaceslavGaidarji MS bought us a few months ago
 
;_;
no!
 
I always knew you were an ant Ahmad
 
How much is it costing to publish apps these days on play store? Is it still $25/year?
 
It was never a subscription
One off payment
 
Oh
I've misread it then
Good to know
 
1:21 PM
Instead, you pay with your sanity
 
(I've always used the accs from my job, not a personal one)
thanks =]
 
@netpork Australia
 
I have a hypothetical question I need to ask I feel like Warren or Carl or Ahmad or someone smart may be able to answer.
 
Spit it out
 
spit*
 
1:24 PM
Ahmad, it's ok, I'm not windows-hater :)
 
ops
damn
 
lol glitch
 
Dunno what you're talking about RED :)
jk
 
btw, a good friend of mine is starting to work in Berlin as an ios developer from january
 
So hypothetically say there's a startup that I started talking with the founder of on HH. He's a high, , looks cool. Now say he offers me a development job. I'm not awful and I know what I'm doing.. I just worry I won't be good enough. Should I tell him my worries etc?
 
1:27 PM
No
 
Don't
 
if he is offering junior position you do not need to worry
 
Alright.
I just worry I won't be good enough and fuck up haha.
 
the hell is this: Error:Execution failed for task ':app:dexPreprodDebug'.
> com.android.ide.common.process.ProcessException: org.gradle.process.internal.ExecException: Process 'command '/Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/jdk1.8.0_45.jdk/Contents/Home/bin/java'' finished with non-zero exit value 2
can't run my damn project but it builds without errors
 
1:28 PM
tristan, but, you are a teenager, teenagers must not worry
 
RED, just try clean
 
Dude. All I do is worry.
 
and teenagers fuck up and get away with it :)
 
Not always haha
 
don't worry man. I've had a full time gig for going on 4 years.... there are still days I feel like Im faking it and am not good enough to be doing what I'm doing.
 
1:29 PM
yeah i bet cleaning works
or i hope it does
 
just stay interested. and always learn
 
Impostor syndrome (also spelled imposter syndrome, also known as impostor phenomenon or fraud syndrome) is a psychological phenomenon in which people are unable to internalize their accomplishments. Despite external evidence of their competence, those with the syndrome remain convinced that they are frauds and do not deserve the success they have achieved. Proof of success is dismissed as luck, timing, or as a result of deceiving others into thinking they are more intelligent and competent than they believe themselves to be. Notably, impostor syndrome is particularly common among high-achieving...
 
i worry everyday that i'm not good enough, yet somehow tasks get done and the apps move forward
yeah baby
 
tristan, you do not have to know everything, just solve the problem in front of you
 
Still hits me when I do AR stuff
And I literally wrote a book on it
 
1:34 PM
oh damn, had no idea that had been studied and has a name
holy shit the "please donate" section is giant this year
 
wikipedia can't die
 
wish they accepted bitcoin donation =/
 
I'm just really good at googling as well @tristan
and I'm seriously not kidding
but that's enough to do the job
in other news, meeting with people who are studying CS at my uni as well today
woa, making new friends and all that
so scared I'll end up a loner
I don't like that, having to make new friends
 
Ahmad is a lone wolf
 
1:50 PM
romm-15 pack!
 
I'm actually not
but it's a new city, and I don't know any other students
Google+ hasn't properly implemented M permissions. Also, apparently some people use Google+ #permissionpocalypse https://twitter.com/AndroidPolice/status/651752368728469504
how do they expect us to implement permissions then
 
user457812
Android permissions are dumb. It should be possible to determine permissions through static analysis and then a) notify the user and b) request those permissions only when used.
 
static analysis?
 
user457812
Static program analysis is the analysis of computer software that is performed without actually executing programs (analysis performed on executing programs is known as dynamic analysis). In most cases the analysis is performed on some version of the source code, and in the other cases, some form of the object code. The term is usually applied to the analysis performed by an automated tool, with human analysis being called program understanding, program comprehension, or code review. Software inspections and Software walkthroughs are also used in the latter case. == RationaleEdit == The s...
 
ooh I get what you mean now
I totally agree
it's also possible
do you know app guard?
app guard does exactly that
you give them an apk, they figure out where the permissions are requested and switch that code with their own, recompile the app and make it possible to disable or enable the permission
and the best thing is that the app doesn't crash when you don't have a certain permission
not sure how they do that though
 
2:10 PM
Android build pattern is the dynamic program .
 
adam o/
 
o/
 
@Ahmad yeah I was thinking Google haha
 
@raghav dude, KCL in london is a partner university of UNC?
you totally should do a year abroad (heh, year abroad while studying abroad)
 
2:17 PM
What about Google?
 
Ey guys, one quick abstract question:
where would you put a logout button in a Material design app
Does it make sense if the button is inside the NavigationView (header)?
 
That's too broad without seeing a screenshot, really. If you have a settings activity of some kind, it would make sense there. If you're using a navigation drawer, maybe at the bottom of the nav drawer?
I don't see anything wrong with that approach.
 
...ok, because the official Google does not iclude Log out, isn't it?
just change the user account
 
Wait, what do you mean? Which Google app?
 
And in this app there is no settings... so at the bottom of drawer as you said or in the navigationView
Google Play, Play Music, Gmail ...
I meant Google apps in general
 
2:28 PM
Oh. Yeah, I know what you mean. But I'm in Gmail and I noticed that at the bottom of the NavigationDrawer they have a 'settings' item
I can see that being replaced with 'log out'
For example, if you've ever used the Fan Duel app, that's where their log out is.
Does your app have a NavDrawer? If it doesn't then that idea's silly haha
 
yes it has...
 
Okay.
I would put it there, in my opinion.
 
Ok, thanks!
 
Here is a screenshot of Fan Duel, so you can see what I was looking at.
 
Mac, you're about out of money :P
 
2:31 PM
Yeah. :(
It's okay, my Red Wings are gonna win me some money on Friday. ;)
Of course I have to go put in money first, before I can bet on that hahaha
OH holy crap the regular season starts today.
 
You know what else is tonight, right?
 
I know
My thesis.
 
Nope
 
LOL
wait don't tell me
fuck it I've got nothing. What's tonight?
 
tell him, tell him
 
2:36 PM
Cubs playoff game!
2
 
:O
I am starring this historic moment in history.
 
f u
 
... that wasn't meant to be rude...
 
And Arrieta is pitching which means they will be playing the Cards on Friday
Mine was
Lol
 
:(
I'm cutting you out of my circles.
 
2:38 PM
\oo
 
Just kidding! Don't be sad!
Hey, Een
 
o/ Een
 
I need to get back to work but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing
 
It's too late, you've lost me.
 
Does that mean I won't get your spam mail anymore?
 
2:39 PM
You ignore me 50% of the time on hangouts anyways, I won't be missing anything. ;P
 
lol cM
ask your boss
You know him well don't you?
 
LOL me right now too. I'm not quite sure what I should be working on, and my boss is half way around the world.
 
Haha! I still need to watch that sports thing. I was busy with the kids when you sent it then just forgot
 
Get what you need to do and outsource it to china hahaa
 
I sent you another thing last night that was more important
 
2:40 PM
Mine is in town but not in the office
 
then play online games
 
I don't think I saw it. I will look
 
I'm just teasing you btw. I know you're busy, I'm not offended.
 
We talked briefly about what to do next but he didn't sound real sure. He said,
"You could build a database. We're going to need one of those"
Just on the weekends I'm sometimes busy. During the week I'm pretty lazy
 
That is the most broad instruction I've ever heard lmfao.
 
2:42 PM
Yeah, that's how I felt. That's why I'm stuck :D
 
what's the difference from SensorEventListener to SensorEventListener2?
 
SensorEventListener: Used for receiving notifications from the SensorManager when sensor values have changed.
SensorEventListener2: Used for receiving a notification when a flush() has been successfully completed.
 
oh
Thanks
:)
first one is the one I need then
 
I just copied both of those sentences from the docs lmfao. You're welcome.
 
(I was too lazy to see them now haha, sorry)
 
2:55 PM
All the time when I'm talking to Adam I say "lol" but it corrects to "look"
 
Yet, you still keep sending it that way...
 
I'm just swiping and I am usually doing it fast
Or I'm lazy
 
@AndresSantiago write access to this room requires a min 100 rep on SO
 
I was talking and someone asked for context to the sentence and I'm just like getApplicationContext()
5
 
Conversation.this
2
 
3:00 PM
I made a funny :)
 
I was just as surprised :P
 
lol
 
I wish I could be like Adam <3
 
You should try to be like you
 
is there a way to hide the options menu when moving between fragments in a navigation drawer?
 
3:04 PM
Tristan.this
 
hasOptionsMenu(false) doesn't work, neither does invalidateOptionsMenu()
driving me crazy
 
I wish everyone could be like me too.
 
All little green balls
 
Yes....that's what I meant.....
 
public Person(Context context, intelligence i, looks l, humor h, abilityToMakeFunOfAdam adam){}

Person tristan = new Person(context, 1, 0, 0, 100);
 
3:09 PM
:|
 
Bad naming convention. Classes should start with an uppercase letter.
 
ERROR - Exception in thread "" java.lang.ClassCastException: abilityToMakeFunOfAdam cannot be cast to int
 
^^
 
also, Mauker
 
3:10 PM
Yeah, I just decided not to correct him. I've fixed enough of his damn code.
 
hey OcuS
 
public Person(Context context, int intelligence, int looks, int humor, int abilityToMakeFunOfAdam){}
 
class abilityToMakeFunOfAdam extends Integer {}
 
fuuuck
Didn't see the docs, again.
 
nooope
 
3:11 PM
Person adam = new Person(Context.NONE, 0, 0, 9001, 100);
 
Integer is final :/
 
oh
:D
 
I am styling android switches -- Y NOONE TOLD ME TO USE SHAPES INSTEAD OF 9PATCH HELL
 
Have you tried using shapes?
 
3:12 PM
^
 
:'D
 
:)
 
Adam saves the day again
 
He does it a lot. He's my hero <3
 
but he is not adam, he is McAdam
 
3:13 PM
♪ ♪ shape, shape shape! shape, shape, shape! shape your png! ♪ ♪
 
lmfao
I should change my SO name to just Adam so when cM calls me Mac everyone goes 'who tf is Mac?'
 
Then I will start referring to you as "just Adam so when cM calls me Mac everyone goes 'who tf is Mac?"
4
 
:|
I applaud you for that.
 
:)
 
3:17 PM
That is a joke opportunity only an actual dad could have seen.
 
Lol
 
Adam makes this whole chat become funny
 
Aw shucks.
 
I can't wait to make my first ever real dad joke. "Honey, I'm pregnant." and with a slow, soft tear on my cheek I'll say "hi pregnant, I'm dad!"
 
3:19 PM
Hahahahahahhahaha
Damn joke
 
OMA
(Oh My Adam)
 
I better be invited to your wedding btw
 
after that one, I'm off to kill myself
 
Mauker don't you know, Adam IS God
 
3:21 PM
brb
 
I'm married to my computer already, sorry you missed it.
 
:o
Adam is Morgan Freeman?
 
We had to elope because human computer marriage isn't legal in MI yet.
 
3:22 PM
"yet"
 
Cortana, honey, I'm home!
 
Exactly. I am going to be on the right side of history and say now that I support robot human marriage.
Suddenly every Halo player ever's dream came true. They can marry Cortana.
 
LMFAO
 
3:30 PM
guys
lunch time. See ya o/
 
o/
have to interview someone today, I hate interviews
 
I fucking hate option menus
 
I hate "problem parsing package"
 
3:45 PM
This is really cheesy but, Adam is like the brother I always wanted but never had :).
 
\o trevor
@trevor what are you gonna ask him/her?
 
we have them do a take-home project and send it to us
so I'll probably ask about why they did things certain ways
 
ooh okay
what's the project about? (if you can disclose)
 
we have an endpoint with a list of airlines
and ask them to use that endpoint to build an airlines list, and let you favorite certain airlines
and then have a button to view airlines that you have favorited
and build a details page for when you click on an airline
 
That doesn't sound too bad. How long do they get?
 
3:54 PM
Any fiction book can be nonfiction if you start it with "This one time I was on acid and..."
 
there's no time limit
 
Well there has to be a general one. You don't just say "come back when you're finished" do you?
 
o/
 
pretty much lol
 
Oh. Neat lol
What kind of work does your company do?
 
3:59 PM
www.kayak.com
the take-home is actually deceptively hard
since there's lots of edge cases to handle to make it nice
 
Oh. I didn't know you worked for kayak haha
Hm. What kind of edge cases in this example? Do you mean things like not being able to communicate with the endpoint and such?
 
we find lots of bugs with how people implement the favorites list
lots of issues with orientation changes
 
Oh okay.
 
it's funny how nearly everyone implements the networking part differently
 
For your take home projects (asking as a near graduate) do you have certain expectations for it, or are you just looking for something that's relatively bug free and functions well? Like in this example, would you expect them to go as far as creating a local SQLite database to cache information in case of minimal network connectivity and stuff?
 
4:06 PM
I used kayak last week actually
I had to book a flight and my boss was using expedia so I tried to get the same flight with that, but it was totally broken.
 
android:screenOrientation="portrait"
 
sweet! hopefully we saved you some money
@McAdam331 we care a lot about UX
 
I don't think screen orientation is that complicated here, probably just over looked by the developer.
 
the person I'm about to interview apparently never bother swiping up
since swiping up on his RecyclerView conflicts with the pull to refresh
 
I didn't have to pay for it, so I wasn't too worried about that
 
4:08 PM
but his code is pretty good otherwise, which is why we are interviewing him
 
Ah okay.
 
You're in boston right trevor? Do you know Localytics?
 
yes and yes
 
I wonder if there's a website out there that has sample projects like these, so I can try one out over a weekend or something and see where I stand in comparison to the standards for graduates; So I'd know where I'm really lacking in skills.
 
Well that's who paid for my flight :p, had to go get them to fix their sdk that we use
 
4:10 PM
lol
I think we had some people leave to work for them a while back
@McAdam331 code readability is a big thing for us too
 
I spend way too much time dealing with their sdk
 
we actually just finished getting rid of their SDK from our app
in favor of GoogleAnalytics for everything
 
congrats
 
Yeah, that's understandable.
 
We are trying to get rid of GA and just use theirs :(
 
4:20 PM
o/
 
o/
 
@trevor-e that's a really really awesome take home project... What if you asked them to code it in front of you?
 
supposedly it takes people ~4-5 hours on average
 
That's way too much lol.
^^
Shoot 5 hours?
I don't know if I'm that good lol
 
That makes sense
I would def do material transitions between screens
 
4:42 PM
Wow, RxJava looks awesome
 
What is RxJava?
 
4:55 PM
has anyone used dynamic data on a navigation drawer?
any best approach stuff for it?
 

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