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Wes
12:06 AM
@Andrea i now realize that might sound offensive. i did not think you weren't being honest :B i had the feeling some people would consider a joke suggesting to change a recent rfc for mostly subjective reasons
and i respect the fact that you are open to community's feedback, contrarily to what i'd have expected for the above reason
 
12:22 AM
- in the array
- in array
?
 
Wes
the former
 
"former" means "first" or "later" ?
 
Wes
former = first
latter = last
 
I see, thx
 
Wes
12:41 AM
> If a given nameChoice returns FALSE, then all larger values of nameChoice will return FALSE, with one exception: if FALSE is returned for IntlChar::SHORT_PROPERTY_NAME, then IntlChar::LONG_PROPERTY_NAME (and higher) may still return a non-FALSE value.
wat
 
@Andrea /me adds another star.
 
12:56 AM
The Typed Properties RFC argues against matching the return type syntax since "if a ternary was used it would be really hard to see what was happening."

However, wouldn't the type go before the assignment operator?

Rather than `public $bar = Stuff::BAZ ? 20 : 30 : int;` it would be `public $bar: int = Stuff::BAZ ? 20 : 30;`
Not that I'm in favor of matching the return type syntax, but I think this is a bad argument against it.
 
Wes
maybe @TheodoreBrown but do you actually prefer after the var name?
btw what happened with multiple declarations?
public int $foo, $baz, $bar; === public (int $foo), $baz, $bar;
public int $foo, $baz, $bar; === public int ($foo, $baz, $bar);
 
@Wes I prefer the RFC's syntax (before the var name), but I don't think the return type syntax would be confused with a ternary since the type would be before the assignment operator.
 
Wes
yeah it wasn't a good argument (i suggested it :P) clearly if that was the case it would go before assignment
 
@ircmaxell one question about http://blog.ircmaxell.com/2016/05/all-about-middleware.html

interface Middleware {
public function handle(
RequestInterface $request,
Frame $frame
): ResponseInterface;
}
why introduce a Frame type here not reuse Middleware?
Like Middleware $nextMiddleware?
 
Wes
i think it must be consistent with possible _future_ typed variables
function baz(){
    int $bar = 10;
    $bar : int = 10;
}
i think the former is better because the other would require a lookahead (right, Bob?) #pretendingtoknowaboutparsers
 
1:09 AM
@ircmaxell nvm, got it
 
 
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2:41 AM
Anyone know anything about Glype?
 
Wes
3:13 AM
TIL Klingon was proposed to be added to Unicode. but was rejected, because we can't have nice things (cc @Sara)
 
Hello, darkness, my old friend!
 
3:26 AM
Level 1 of #GoogleCodingChallenge completed :-) https://t.co/cBfgJulDOC
Oh yes, remembering my Java... fun stuff :)
 
Well, how do I get karma to open a RFC?
 
Wes
@MarceloCamargo start by writing it, then link to the peeps in here. if someone thinks it's good they will for sure help you with the process
 
@MarceloCamargo Send a message to the mailing list asking for Karma
Anyone can have wiki Karma
 
3:53 AM
@Wes There is an informally recognized block in the private use area, actually.
@Wes I just perfer the former because it matches argument type hinting...
 
Wes
same. it reads better
btw, why php decided to have function bar(): Baz{} and not just function bar() Baz{}
 
Thank you!
Last year, I would open a RFC for the pipe operator. Instead of, I just wrote a Github README and talked about it here, and it got lost by some time. This year, it has been formally proposed, but not by me. ^^
 
@MarceloCamargo Say that on the list. atm, Pipe Op doesn't have the support needed to win.
 
Definitely not cool. :/
 
Or better, update the RFC with more compelling arguments. :)
 
4:03 AM
Well, I'll do it.
This was what I wrote 11 months ago.
However, I imagine that with more practical examples and better arguments, it can win.
For the new rfc, I would refer to a syntactic addition of function-use-aliases to solve problems like this: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/1927

There is no other way to access variable-variables or dynamic variables in the scope of a function without creating an alias outside of its scope, creating garbage variables.
Maybe with an inline-alias, it could preserve the scope to the local function without importing all sub-variables:

function ($x) use ($$$y as $item, $z) { ... };
And it wouldn't be a BC.
 
Good morning
I have a problem, can anyone help?
 
To request karma to edit the rfc, do I need to message mailing list?
 
Wes
4:19 AM
(the author of the rfc is here :P)
 
@Sara? ^^
 
5:02 AM
i was wondering if how can you encrypt your video source or disable the source where the video source are?
 
5:25 AM
moin
 
Ekn
mornin
 
So, after 10 years of using gmail, 63K emails later, I've finally managed to use up a whopping 7% of my inbox capacity.
wow, they were right all along. You really don't need to delete anything.
 
5:47 AM
whats the concept of spankwire videos for membership?
 
Wes
warning: don't search for spankwire like i just did. it's a pr0n site that i surprisingly didn't know :B
 
even if i have an account then firebug the source of the video then on the other browser i can't access the videos amazing
 
tip: don't ignore warnings
 
6:04 AM
Mornings
 
Ekn
'nin
 
mornin'
 
Ekn
6:21 AM
huh paypal halted all ops in Turkey
 
yeah :(
we are sad
 
Ekn
where'bouts of Turkey you're from?
 
ankara
 
Ekn
I pretty much hated that city :p
I lived in Istanbul, Izmir... Antalya
 
really?
 
Ekn
6:24 AM
I was born in Antalya.
 
to be honest, i hate Ankara :(
 
Ekn
I totally understand
 
r u turkish?
 
Ekn
yes..
 
the dots explain everything
 
6:25 AM
morning
 
Ekn
heh indeed
 
I was in Antalya once.. liked the climate :P
 
oh come on @SergeyTelshevsky
antalya is fucking hot
and damp :(
 
I think it was may
 
@AdilIlhan that sucks.
 
6:27 AM
o/
 
not so hot, actually, the air's dry enough to feel comfortable
 
heh maybe
 
good morning campus
 
hey guys, has anyone used 000webhost before?
 
the word no comes to mind
 
6:32 AM
is it still alive?
oh
 
@AdilIlhan well yeah, and it's the only option for me now
 
why?
 
huh.. i felt old. it has same design
 
@Saitama well I'm broke, on a very tight schedule and I live in Syria
 
you could use t2.micro instance in aws, which is free for 1 year...
 
6:35 AM
@Saitama aws needs cc verification
 
@VamsiKrishnaB exactly
 
@Saitama even after a year, 3 dollars a year almost counts as free
 
so I'm having this error when I try to upload my SQL server database to 000webhost
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier true..
 
6:39 AM
@SamIbraheem which error?
 
well

#1064 - You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'Rar!' at line 1
@AdilIlhan
 
wtf
 
exactly, I'm using the GUI and not even touching the script exported from SQL server
 
then you have version conflict problem
 
I've open the script but I can't find this 'Rar!' thing
 
6:41 AM
@SamIbraheem code?
 
it's a bit monday today
 
@littlepootis well the script is kinda big
can I post it here?\
 
no please use pastebin
 
there is no much demand to zf3
ohhh @SamIbraheem
 
6:49 AM
@AdilIlhan what's wrong?
 
you exported from Mssql server
but you try import it to a Mysql server
 
@AdilIlhan is that a problem?
 
sure
it is big problem
 
any way I can go around this?
 
6:51 AM
:'( it's just that this stupid site won't let me make relations between table -_-
 
what is programming level? @SamIbraheem
beginner?
 
i see
why you don't use a local dev. environment?
 
what's that?
 
please read some articles about php
like this
you have to understand some basics
 
7:07 AM
morning
 
\\\o
I'm a cyborg
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Hello cyborg, I am a god.
 
I had posted this dba.stackexchange.com/questions/139511/… few days ago.. can I post it in stackoverflow also ?
 
@VamsiKrishnaB your question seems to be how to simplify this sql code? these kind of questions often are badly received on so..
but, if you can provide code that runs, to be improved, maybe codereview would be the site you want.
 
7:17 AM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier will check if they got any sql improvement sorta questions in code review
 
that's sensible
 
7:30 AM
Morning.
Most likely posted before, but better safe then sorry: permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.oss.general/19669
2
People have it in for ImageMagick these days.
 
ningromi
 
Ekn
o/
 
@DaveRandom sounds like a sushi
 
Anonymous
Morninnn
 
!!version
 
how pertinent ^^ ;)
 
@Jeeves what do you think about capitalism?
 
@DaveRandom It's ok for a first prototype I guess.
 
Maz
Are you a bot ?
 
7:38 AM
you have to @mention or reply to it
 
Maz
sorry , just hoping to get an answer based on the code above :P
ohh, is it ?
what is the bot name ?
 
@Jeeves Are you a bot?
lolfail
 
Ekn
:D
 
Maz
so , @hu
 
7:39 AM
huh, that should work
 
Maz
so @hubot are you a bot ?
 
maybe doesn't work on edits
 
@Jeeves what is your name?
 
@Jeeves Are you a bot?
@Jeeves you dead?
 
@DaveRandom Nope. Not that I know of...
 
Maz
7:40 AM
ahh, @jeeves are you a bot ?
 
got stuck
 
hopefully there is some throttling of it
 
There were some issues with crashes yesterday
 
@Jeeves How do you feel about bots?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier There is some but it's mostly an issue when it tries to post a lot of messages in sequence, when there are lots of people talking the back-off is less aggressive
 
7:48 AM
Morning
 
tried it. not a fan.
 
morngi
 
Ekn
ohai
lol a friend sent me one of these talk to random stranger sites
... and this is why it's not something for me: i.imgur.com/NQEW94I.png
I just can't help but make fun of them :p
 
mugwump: a person who is unable to make up his or her mind on an issue, especially in politics.
 
7:59 AM
@PeeHaa moin
@Fabor o/
 
posted on May 31, 2016

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

3
 
@Ekn Making fun is exactly why you can use them ;)
Todays word of the day sounds like it was created by J.K Rowling.
Oh @Ekn Just stay off the webcam ones. -_-
 
Ekn
heh right.. I don't think I'll use it again anyways
 
@PeeHaa so... Jeeves web server. I'm torn between setting up a front end in aerys in the same process space as the bot (which would make data access easier and eliminate the need for some kind of RPC) or just having it work off a back-end database and use stuff like pgsql listener channels for IPC
 
@Fabor Ah, the good times of chatroulette.
 
8:05 AM
Or actually, now I say it out loud, having some kind of web API running in the back-end would probably be better
 
@Ekn well you always have us weirdos too
 
In fact that's totally the right answer, ignore me :-P
 
@MadaraUchiha Or Omegle these days too. Was quite horrifying honestly.
 
@DaveRandom I've been meaning to do a similar thing in Node
I aimed to divide it into 2 "packages" a chat client one, and a bot one
 
@DaveRandom I like how I can just ignore you and it solves your problem :P
 
8:07 AM
We need to create some kind of room 11 rubber duck product
 
Where the chat client simply gives you a node API to interact with chat (auth, join rooms, leave rooms, an Observable for messages, etc) and the bot uses that to respond to commands
 
We could make millions
@MadaraUchiha Oh I didn't think about event hooks
That's dangerous though, we wouldn't have complete control over the bot's behaviour
 
@DaveRandom Well, I'm not sure how Jeeves is built, but in JS it's easy because callbacks, Promises, async, etc are builtin
@DaveRandom How so?
 
Well as it stands every piece of executed code - everything that makes the bot do something - is in the Jeeves repo. If we let people do arbitrary things with it (with our running instance) then they might do things that e.g. get the bot user flagged
I'm just talking about an API that allows people to set plugin settings and enable/disable plugins for a room
ugh, which we need to authorise somehow
so it can't be public, the auth will have to be done in the front end
 
@DaveRandom I prefer billions!
 
First thing I was was a hippo.
 
o/
 
@DaveRandom That's awesome
 
Damn, I don't understand why people continue using ORM so much, especially with more complicated projects which required almost most of the times > 3-4 joins
 
Ekn
@Fabor heh indeed, best of all chats
 
8:25 AM
Hydration is hell
Things are done automatically and you have to perform kind of "hacks" like invoking two subsequent queries to do multi-step hydration
 
@Ekn Also how are you still awake? -_-
Crazy timezone I guess.
 
Ekn
great question... I needed to work with someone in uk
but I'm about to finish and go for a nap
 
8:40 AM
nap -> sleep.
Naps always leave me feeling groggy.
 
Ekn
I'm quite used to sleeping 3-4hrs and get back to stuff
 
Mornbo
 
@Ekn sounds pretty healthy :)
 
Ekn
ormring
@ziGi inorite :p
 
8:42 AM
I can't remember if I uploaded a picture of Gordon drunk in a ball pool, did I?
 
@Ekn I was reading something about sleep cycles the other day. And by reading I mean watching. Supposedly genetically some of us are able to cope with the lesser amount of hours or different patterns. Which suggest why some people are more successful with those weird sleep cycles like ubermans.
Also it hints at why some people say "I only need 5.5 hours" and others "I need 8". We say you can learn to deal with less but maybe not.
I don't think any of it was conclusive but it was what was told.
5.5 is my limit it seems.
 
@Jimbo This is one of those occasions where it's better to be safe than sorry
 
@DaveRandom Ha, yeah right
 
@Fabor I think it depends on a lot of processes in your body. When I train on a regular basis and eat better quality foods, I am more energetic and need less sleep. I've had also like months where I used to sleep 4-5 hours without a serious effect on my daily life
 
Yeah, that makes sense as a factor.
 
8:45 AM
Btw, Trivago are hiring over here, you should see their offices... they have a star wars room. And the people are just awesome, super into what they're doing
 
Any positions open for a jester?
 
@Fabor Of course, that's why I might apply
 
:D
Weird question, when you click on my username is only half the avatar loaded?
 
Nope, the full, terrible image comes through
 
huh. Strange both my work and home PC only load the first 50%.
And it's only half terrible, my cat parrot is lovely :P
 
8:49 AM
user image
8
 
He stepped on some gum at some point.
 
user1694691
Is tools.ietf.org/pdf/rfc2774.pdf alive in the wild? I've never encountered it and I note that it is still marked experimental. Is it dead?
 
Ekn
@Fabor My optimum is 7hrs I think. It's really not healthy at all to sleep just 3-4hrs when you work a lot same day...yet living in this place makes it easier for me to deal with long nights or less sleep.
 
@Fabor it was doing that to me before but it's now working properly, I've seen that with imgur avatars before
wait till the cache timeout expires or hard reload and it'll be fine
 
@Ekn where do you live Ekn? Uruguay?
 
8:52 AM
@Ekn Yeah. Sleep can suck. They say it takes the average person 7 minutes to fall asleep when they're really trying. Sounds like poppycock to me. Took like 3 hours last night :P Naps can be considered part of the cycle though. I'd definitely recommend batches of 1.5 hours if you do.
 
@DaveRandom @Fabor Wish you guys had been here, and @PeeHaa, would've been brilliant :-) Maybe next PHPNW we can get together for drinks, antics, shenanigans etc
 
@DaveRandom Furry muff.
 
I only get half with the hover box thing, gravatar always does strange things when you change pics
 
And Joe of course
 
A perfect storm @Jimbo
 
8:53 AM
speaking of conferences, it doesn't look like I can go to phpsc ...
 
Damn :(
 
Ekn
@Jimbo I see you cheated on your panigale in Majorca :p
@ziGi yes
 
yeah, the misses had the saturday off, but for some reason the rota has been changed, and no one will swap with her ...
 
Just realised how soon that conference is. A week Saturday.
 
I could come over after and meet up for the social ... but she's working until 8
 
8:57 AM
That's the best part, so may as well :P
 
@Ekn Haha, guy who owned it didn't speak a word of english. But when I started taking pictures of his bike and showing him mine we had a mutual understanding of awesomeness :)
Also, I'm getting a StackOverflow t-shirt. My moaning for 3 years paid off.
 
Ekn
heh :) that's great
 

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