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2:00 PM
What happens when you tell people they don't have those things based on an elaborately constructed framework of populist lies?
 
@MattPrelude Big systems typically have more inertia. But that doesn't mean that you cannot change. Small changes over time are the way to go.
 
@DaveRandom exactly
 
@DaveRandom We didn't have those things. Now, we can.
 
@MattPrelude you had and have all these things.
 
@Gordon OK, so I can vote for a party on a policy of negotiating a trade deal with India?
 
2:01 PM
Are you going to get to vote on who succeeds David Cameron as prime minister?
 
@MattPrelude there are EU wide elections… and you still can have national deals, even in the EU.
 
@DaveRandom As a Tory party member, yes. ;)
@DaveRandom But whoever it is, they will have already been given a mandate in their seat, and a mandate to govern by being a part of the majority party, and a mandate to exit the EU based on the referendum.
 
@MattPrelude its not the eu's fault that you cannot do it, if you cannot do that.
 
@Gordon Yes it is, because we can't negotiate a trade deal whilst a member of the customs union. We have to try to do it through the EU.
 
@MattPrelude what @bwoebi said, you can still have national deals without involving the eu
 
2:04 PM
@Gordon When's the next election for the UK's commissioner?
I'll make sure I vote in it.
 
@MattPrelude I'm by no means an expert… but you have certain possibilities there. you just cannot make EU wide deals as single country.
 
No we can't. Member states cannot negotiate away the customs union's tariffs.
 
Anonymous
Does array_map provide the array keys as array_walk does?
 
@MattPrelude so it's OK the people with the mandate to govern get to hold an exclusive vote, but not OK that the people who have a mandate to govern get to participate in an exclusive vote?
 
I guess I can vote for a government to cut immigration below 100,000 too? Wait, that was in the conservative manifesto that I voted for... and it's impossible in the EU.
@DaveRandom The base of the EU's majority party get to choose commissioners?
Well, I'll ask my UKIP friends why they voted for Lord Hill then...
 
Anonymous
2:06 PM
Does array_map provide the array keys as array_walk does?
 
@MattPrelude because free travel and work in the eu… we had that already. and you are benefitting from that.
@samayo no
 
@Gordon OK, so actually we don't have democracy and sovereignty then? We have a subset of it.
 
Anonymous
:\
 
/me is out. certainly of the room, possibly also a 10th story window.
 
/me trying to get a grasp of window functions in Postgre
 
2:08 PM
@MattPrelude yes, that was the deal when you agreed to join the EU. with benefits come responsibilites. that still doesnt mean you are not a sovereign state or dont have democracy. you entered an agreement.
 
@MattPrelude Goddamn sovereignty. Why is it that bad to share a part of sovereignty with other countries? It's the European sovereign. You are part of Europe. Then also accept to be part of what impacts the whole Europe… and don't flee into nationalism/protectionism…
 
@Gordon And we are now taking back the sovereignty we surrendered, because the deal isn't working for us any more. What's wrong with that?
 
@MattPrelude the short sightedness is wrong with that and the premises on which it was decided is wrong with that
 
@MattPrelude the part about "deal isn't working for you" …
 
@bwoebi I think I found the culprit. `mysql> drop table user_log_item;
ERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to MySQL server during query`. Keeps doing that (and the same when I try to drop the entire db). Can I just rm the files that go with it?
 
2:10 PM
@bwoebi It depends on the terms and the benefits of the agreement. I'm happy, for example, to give NATO some sovereignty over military policy & spending, because the benefits of being protected from another World War are worth it.
 
@Gordon I'd be interested to see a list of the rules and regulations at the date of joining, and what has changed since then
 
@Oldskool do that then. You always have a backup…
 
@Oldskool how full is your disk space?
 
@bwoebi I am happy for us to work with the UN (or the EU) on issues where we have joint ideals i.e. on climate change, or on counter-terrorism.
 
@Oldskool I've seen this a lot with mysql running on a no-space-left fs
 
2:11 PM
@MattPrelude oh yeah, the UN. you might want to seceed from there, too.
 
@FlorianMargaine That seems pretty unlikely to me: /dev/vda1 144G 24G 113G 18% /.
 
(for example, mysql refuses to start if you have less than 95% free space)
 
@Leigh I am sure you can find these online
 
@MattPrelude the problem of the UN is that it's largely non-binding… The EU however is trying to enforce things much more strictly so that you also achieve your goals.
 
@bwoebi But I repeat what I was saying before, the deal of the EU isn't working for us. We are an island nation with a rich history of controlling our own destiny, and we have been denied the ability to control our borders, our waters or our domestic policy because of EU membership.
 
2:12 PM
@Oldskool your mysql data files are in /?
 
I am doing a quick search, nothing succinct
 
@FlorianMargaine Under /var/lib/mysql, but that's not a separate mount, no.
 
And by the way, what we joined was not the current EU, it was a free trade area with movement for some workers in a couple of sectors. The EEC which we signed up to was a totally different proposition.
 
@Oldskool yeah that's what I meant
@Oldskool sorry, that was something that could have been an easy exit :)
 
@MattPrelude and you ratified the Maastricht agreement instead of remaining in EFTA.
 
2:13 PM
@FlorianMargaine Yup, for some reason sysadmin that made this box likes it that way. Apparently it's an Ubuntu suggested/recommended partitioning standard.
 
@bwoebi this
 
@bwoebi And since Maastricht, a large part of the British conservative movement has found itself at odds with Europe.
 
@Oldskool it depends on your needs, really
 
For db servers I like a separate /data mount myself, but well .. this is not my box ;-)
 
@MattPrelude Why did you ratify then?
 
2:14 PM
@bwoebi Ask John Major :) I was 5.
 
The word of "read" doesn't have any past shape? for example "readed" ?
 
@bwoebi I think it would be best for the EU and for GB if we rejoin EFTA and work out some mutual agreements. Our ambitions are no longer aligned, and it makes no sense for us to pretend they are.
 
@MattPrelude but you realize that EFTA still requires you to implement some laws decided by the EU etc. Then it's again giving some sovereignty to the EU. Less, but still.
 
@bwoebi EFTA doesn't (each EFTA country has a different deal with the EU). EEA does, and I don't advocate joining EEA.
 
Anonymous
If you have a method that returns categorised data based on a $category argument, what's better practise - Add behaviour in that method for the category being 'All' (return all data, no matter the category) or have a separate method for all data i.e. getAllData() ?
 
2:17 PM
@bwoebi I think he wants his splendid isolation back
because everyone knows isolation and nationalism are the best answer to globalisation
 
@Gordon Yeah, I want to be isolated like... the USA, and Canada, and Mexico, and 180 other nations that are sovereign.
 
@MattPrelude These are somewhat related though. I don't know how exactly it works though.
 
I'm using ZfcUser module in ZF2 and I was wondering if I could use this module to make two separate entities. I want to have basically two separate areas on my website that you can only access if you are signed in as a certain type of account. Any ideas?
 
@bwoebi 3 of the 4 EFTA nations are also in the EEA, Switzerland is not, but has bilateral agreements.
 
@MattPrelude Most of these countries are either very big or poor though.
@MattPrelude Switzerland is not, but still is required to implement some EU laws to remain in EFTA.
 
2:20 PM
@Shafizadeh spelt the same, pronounced differently. In the present you "reed", in the past you "red"
 
@bwoebi Economically speaking, we are bigger than Canada, Australia, New Zealand, ... etc and all of those are significantly internationalist outward-looking nations.
I don't accept the false dichotomy of EU or isolationism.
 
@MattPrelude the irony of that sovereignity complex you seem to have is that you live in a united kingdom where none of the states are fully sovereign either.
 
@MattPrelude now. It depends a lot on what happens in the next two years how big you'll remain though.
 
@JayIsTooCommon I'd say separate method (recall Ocramius' talk at PHPSC :))
 
@Gordon And it's up to them to decide whether they want to secede or whether the Union works for them. As I said to @bwoebi, it depends on the deal.
 
2:22 PM
@Programmer you want an authorization module such as ZfcRbac or BjyAuthorize
 
@bwoebi I'm an optimist, I think that we're a nation with rich connections, we will do good FTAs and we will be around as big as we are now in a few years, but with more sovereignty and potential.
 
Anonymous
@Leigh Ah yeah, good shout. Thanks for the reminder :3
 
@Ocramius Thanks. I just actually found the ZfcRbac and I'm trying to figure out how hard it would be to implement with my current setup.
 
@MattPrelude That's well possible. But it might backfire as well.
 
@bwoebi It might, but that's the decision the British people took, and it's not like we weren't warned.
 
2:24 PM
@JayIsTooCommon Did you ever see/read the old calisthenics talk?
 
Anonymous
@Leigh Noo? Where do I find this ?
 
google :D
 
Anonymous
ew
 
Anonymous
ok
 
"object calisthenics php" or something
 
Anonymous
2:25 PM
@Leigh William Durand?
 
Hi what would you recommend to do in summer for continue learning something of programming?
 
@bwoebi I don't assume Brexit doesn't carry risk. I just believe the risk is worth it, or I wouldn't have campaigned & voted for it.
 
@QuicoLlinaresLlorens programming
 
I'm passing to 3rd course of Computer Engineering next year
 
@QuicoLlinaresLlorens Either think of a good project, or get involved with one, and code every day.
 
2:26 PM
@Gordon Any good book?
 
@MattPrelude The risk might be worth it if it all goes fine, but I guess the odds are against you that it won't be worth it.
 
@QuicoLlinaresLlorens Make sure other people (competent people) see your code, and comment on it.
 
@QuicoLlinaresLlorens most of the books by martin fowler
 
@MattPrelude Yes, I think that's the best idea, but the problem is to have a good idea
 
2:27 PM
didn't know rafael was on board with the blackness
 
@bwoebi I admit if it was just economics, I'd probably have gone Remain for the certainty (I earn enough that I'm not worried about wage suppression), but there's a lot more to a country than its GDP.
 
@MattPrelude like what?
 
@Gordon @MattPrelude Thanks!
 
enough non-programming stuff?
@QuicoLlinaresLlorens find something you want to use, that doesn't exist and make it.
 
@MattPrelude as a saver who wants to be a home owner, a potentially increased interest rate and depreciated house prices look good to me from a selfish economics point of view
 
2:30 PM
@Leigh I'm also someone who wants to be a homeowner, so yes, that does appeal to me too.
 
@Danack in before "all PHP is non-programming"
 
HTML is the only real programming I do.
 
@Danack Ok Thank you
 
if you worked for a TV company, you could be programming the programming
 
Another link for object calisthenics
2
 
2:31 PM
@Gordon People. Social cohesion. Control of your borders and your policies.
 
@MattPrelude smells like nationalism to me. not convinced.
 
Anonymous
@Danack thanks :)
 
@JayIsTooCommon remember it's a set of guidelines, pick the bits you agree with (which should be most of it)
 
@MattPrelude imo nation states need to be overcome. they are anachronisms unfit for the challenges of an interconnected globalized world. they are not worth protecting. thats exactly why we have the united nations and the eu. together for peace and long term mutual benefit.
 
@Gordon You can have peace without the EU, arguably it was peace that enabled the EU
 
Anonymous
2:37 PM
@Leigh Aye, looks like it'll be a good reference
 
@Leigh the EU enforces peace more strongly though.
 
@Leigh one of the main reasons the EU was founded was keeping the peace
 
Damn, you're on to our secret agenda to nuke france
 
anyways, heading home now. cya on monday
 
@bwoebi Do you happen to know a way to clear innodb transaction cache? I can't shut it down properly because a transaction is stuck. Much like this: dba.stackexchange.com/questions/78115/…
But obviously I already had it in recovery mode (with level 4 even), no dice.
Any ideas?
 
2:44 PM
@Oldskool why don't you just delete the ibdata files and reimport the whole from your mysql dump?
 
Hmm, yeah good point. Guess the friday fatigue got to me :)
 
@Gordon You and I have opposite views on the annals of power, I believe. I think that the government which is closest to the people it governs is the government which does its job best. I want to be governed by people who are a couple of miles away, not thousands of miles.
 
Got nothing to lose anyway
Main db is already dropped and gone. So needs to reindex anyway.
 
@Danack Wrap all primatives, I understand the need to tackle antipatterns but does that not seem a bit obsessive in itself?
I'm speaking from the perspective of an existing build though, naturally. I imagine it's a lot easier to do when starting.
 
@bwoebi OK, this is interesting. Just dropped ibdata file and restarted. When it tries to reacreate, it throws: 2016-07-01 16:47:55 27197 [ERROR] Unknown/unsupported storage engine: INNODB ... guess I need to completely re-install mysql then?
Seems properly corrupted.
 
2:50 PM
wtf?
 
yeah that was my initial reaction as well
 
@bwoebi More context here: pastebin.com/PTE1feDk it clearly has innodb, with all those plugins it's listing.
 
@Oldskool 2016-07-01 16:47:55 27197 [ERROR] InnoDB: Cannot create ./ib_logfile1
^ this is the error you need to investigate
 
Yeah, although it did recreate that file, so that's the odd thing.
Looks like it can't read the dir properly or something.
-rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 12M Jul 1 16:47 ibdata1
Looking right at it...
Err, no that 's the wrong one.
-rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 126M Jul 1 16:46 ib_logfile1
That one exists too though.
 
2:55 PM
why does your logfile show one ib_logfile101 and once ib_logfile1?
 
It seems to have created both files. I have logfile0, 1 and 101
for whatever reason.
I'll delete those as well
retry it all over
Hmm, looks better now.
 
started up fine? well, then import it…
 
Yup, going to try that now.
Importing now. Throwing some errors about recalculation of persistent statistics. Hope that's just a result of all the removing stuff :)
Keeps repeating 2016-07-01 16:59:12 7f013d69c700 InnoDB: Error: Table "mysql"."innodb_table_stats" not found. though. Seems like that's not recreated.
Or corrupted as well.
 
@Oldskool as long as this doesn't affect the actual database and is just spurious, you can take care of that later
 
Also 2 attributes per class is a bit.. questionable
 
3:04 PM
Ah, looks like this issue: dba.stackexchange.com/questions/48166/…
apparently a mysql 5.6 bug
 
Anonymous
@Gon o/
 
can someone invite me
 
Anonymous
to?
 
don't do it, he's a vampire!
 
3:11 PM
dribble
to dribble
 
I invite you to dribble
just clean up after yourself
 
Anonymous
yesterday, by PeeHaa
throws garlic and a cross
3
 
@bwoebi Looks like it's up and running again. Sincerely, thank you for all your suggestions. Really appreciated. :)
 
@Oldskool Just sharing experience from previous dealing with db crashes
@Oldskool But glad that all works again :-)
 
Gon
Can I get some star on this message for no reason at all? puppy eyes
6
 
3:18 PM
@Gon gg
 
3:29 PM
what's dribble?
 
@AnmolRaghuvanshiVersion2.0 You know when babies have spit dripping off their chins?
it's because they dribble
 
Anonymous
^ room 11 is not console.
 
aaaaaaaaah
 
3:47 PM
@Gon You realize that room owners can remove stars? :-P … not that I'd remove them ;-)
 
@nikita2206 initially, it was because annotations (doctrine's) were not widespread, and the project attempted to only load those that were defined upfront
now it makes little sense: we can just autoload them all
 
Gon
@bwoebi thanks :P
@bwoebi umm... so I was also trying to implement ws in leloutama... I wanted to know something... in github.com/amphp/aerys/blob/master/lib/Websocket/… could you point out the method where the frame is constructed?
Or is the frame even built in there?
 
@Gon compile() is the method (look at its callers)
 
Gon
k...
 
Wes
afternoons
 
Gon
3:51 PM
'noons
 
Wes
speaking of pural afternoons, did you know that when eta carinae will go supernova (possibly within this century) we'll have a second sun in the sky? amazing :P
 
@Wes how many relative mag are to be expected?
 
how many lightyears away is it?
actually scrap that... we're observing the evidence that it may go supernova from the same number of lightyears :p
 
Wes
@bwoebi i have no idea
and it will most likely be britgher than the moon in the night... even more amazing
 
@Leigh WP says 7-10k
 
Gon
3:55 PM
\o/
 
so it's probably already happened, we're just waiting for the light to reach us :)
 
Gon
so true...
 
@Wes WP says up to -9 mag … o_O
 
Wes
is that high? low? i have no idea
 
Gon
same here...
 
Wes
4:04 PM
i just checked. it will be as bright as the full moon, right?
 
@Wes Sun is -27 … full moon -13
so, 4 magnitudes dimmer than full moon, but still very well visible
 
Wes
full moon is -5 to -15, i'm reading here
indeed
will be amazing. please make it happen before i die :P
 
@Wes Eih, full moon doesn't vary so much
@Wes It's probably -5 when it's nearly dark
 
Wes
idk, but i imagine also the angle contributes. if it's near the horizon there's much more atmosphere for light to pass through, while just few km if it's above my head
 
4:09 PM
@Wes apparent/relative magnitude is measured as if from space… typically at least.
 
Wes
idk. i didn't even remember what magnitude was :P
 
@Wes but where did you read that it might explode in a hypernova in the next tens of years?
 
Wes
heard in at least a couple of documentaries
it is not unlikely to explode in the next 100 years, but will definitely explode within the next 1000 years, this is what i remember
 
Gon
1K years...? shit.
 
@Wes which star?
Vega?
 
4:19 PM
@tereško eta carinae
 
oh ... yeah, but that one is far
@bwoebi well, the probably both will explode soon
(if I recall correctly which start you were talking about)
 
@tereško soon … yea… I'm reading that it might persist a few thousands of years still…
 
Can't we somehow speed things up? :P
 
Gon
Build a time machine!
 
@PeeHaa it's as easy as bringing ourselves to ultrarelativistic speeds …
 
4:24 PM
We've been working on that long enough now. Shoot something up already
 
@PeeHaa we could always just cure aging and ge the longway around
 
Wes
can we experiment hibernation on you? @PeeHaa
 
I like @tereško's idea better @Wes
Sorry
 
Wes
:P
 
Gon
@tereško That would be just bad... IMHO...
 
Wes
4:26 PM
indeed. overpopulation in just few decades, no evolution and ultimately the end of our species
 
I don't really want to live long because of life, but I do want to see cool stuff of the future eventually
Or at least until skynet gaines self-awarenes
 
Gon
lol
 
Wes
Oct 7 '15 at 11:10, by Abe
isn't @PeeHaa a subsystem of skynet residing in a cluster of supercomputers in an underwater bunker in the north atlantic
 
Gon
is strpos($rawRequest, "\r\n\r\n"); enough to distinguish between a websocket frame and a http request?
 
Wes
are you trying to disguise yourself? :P
 
4:31 PM
lol
 
Gon
reveal your location! (lat, lon)
 
@Gon That's how the Websocket RFC mandates separation from HTTP header and the stream in the initial response
 
Gon
@bwoebi yay!
 
@Gon What are you trying to do?
 
Gon
implement the websocket protocol in here by taking some help from aerys!, and developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/WebSockets_API/… !
 
Anonymous
4:35 PM
Meh, I started a css-only dropdown + sidenav effects and got bored midway. Anyone who wants to play with here it, here you go codepen.io/samayo/pen/RRVaAv?editors=1100 (resize it to mobile width to see the dropdown)
 
@Gon ah, your pthreads server thing
 
Gon
yeah :P
 
@Wes I dont think you understand how evolution (or even human reproduction) actually works :P
 
Anonymous
@Wes what did you mean by "no evolution"?
 
Wes
could be, i'm a simple man. i heard storks bring babies
@samayo would you have babies if there's no food left on the planet?
 
Anonymous
4:44 PM
Yes, just so I could eat the babies
 
Wes
that is very inefficient, and communist
 
Anonymous
Not the way I cook'em
 
@Wes would people keep ignoring future ecological and population problems, if they would actually happen to themselves and not their grandchildren ?
 
@Wes That's not helping at all, it's not even inefficient. ^^
 
@Sean It eliminates a whole class of bugs - you become much less likely to accidentally pass the wrong type to a function. e.g.
function writeTempFile(string $tmpPath) { ... }

function writeImageTempFile(string $tmpPath) { ... }
Is the $tmpPath for these two functions meant to be the same, or are they semantically different?
Wrapping the value in a type, means that you can either make them be explicitly equivalent or explicitly not equivalent:
function writeTempFile(TmpPath $tmpPath) { ... }

function writeImageTempFile(ImageTmpPath $tmpPath) {...}
 
Wes
4:48 PM
@tereško i don't think so... when shit gets real we can act sensibly.. occasionally
 
@Danack Why did we even introduce scalar types? :P
 
probably as a stepping stone:
Mar 22 at 13:14, by Danack
class EmailAddress extends string {
    private/public string $value; //error if constructor finishes without value being set
}
 
@Wes so, if your estimated TTL is 80 years. and you get told that by the end of century oceans will be dead, how would your activities changes compares to having TTL of 1000 years?
 
Wes
oceans will be dead by what?
 
...
god damnit windows :-| stop hijacking my mouse
 
4:56 PM
@Wes drowning
 
Wes
LOL
 
@Danack primitive EmailAddress extends string; should be enough?
 
Wes
@Jimbo can i photoshop an hawaiian garland on your avatar?
 
Optional body that's invoked on set for validation.
 
@Wes If it's not super gay sure
 
Wes
4:58 PM
ahaha
 
Probably. tbh I'd probably also like to define methods on it.....but I'd be happier to have it without, rather than have to argue about multiple implicit casting.
 
Wes
@kelunik imho that thing would be better solved with a boxing/unboxing mechanism
 
primitive EmailAddress extends string {
    if (strpos($this, "@") === false) { throw ...; }
}
 
yeah constructor would solve most things. (I still wish they were callable though.)
 
Gon
5:16 PM
Night o/
 
Who wants to give me opinion on Car Parts (looks)?
^ I know its random
 
5:31 PM
just a question for room 11 regulars
if there is superhero name that you would like to give one another or yourself?
 
@Leigh Ping
 
does array reference counting changed in PHP 7.1?
$arr = [42];
debug_zval_dump($arr);
this gives me
array(1) refcount(3){
  [0]=>
  int(42)
}
PHP 7.1.0alpha1
here is 3v4 snippet - 3v4l.org/CiV5Q
 
5:51 PM
@MattPrelude I am not sure what you mean by annals of power. But we certainly have very different views.
 
ping @NikiC ^^
 
@pinepain looks fine to me … literal array + assign + pass to func = 3 refs
 
isn't literal array "dtored" after assignment?
 
(The change is that in 7.1 we also store arrays in literals)
@pinepain sure not… literals need to be untouched (else we'd have a problem when an op_array is run a second time)
 
ah, I wasn't aware of this change (storing arrays in literals)
 
6:05 PM
@Fabor sup?
 
co-worker, gotcha
 
senior dev
 
Anonymous
Evemong
 
Anonymous
So I've been offered a promotion but for a real low wage :/ Lead Sys Admin - Web Developer - 17k :S
 
@bwoebi is this change somewhere covered in news or changes? Should it be?
 
6:12 PM
@pinepain no, these are internal details
they're not even relevant for most extensions
(except maybe the ones really pushing into core)
 
I discovered this behavior as I'm using debug_zval_dump() in some phpt tests. It's not critical as I switched to var_dump().
 
@pinepain yeah, unless you're really testing refcounts, use var_dump().
 
my extension is about weak references =) so basically I pay attention to refcounts
 
@pinepain in that case maybe yes^^
but in general no^^
 
anyway, i skip refcount checks in some non-critical places, it should be fine.
can't you by change point me to the changes that introduces storing arrays in literals, do you? I'm curious about it.
 
6:20 PM
Also I was mistaken: arrays are already stored since 7.0 in literals, but not duplicated anymore in 7.1
 
thank you very much!
 
@Leigh Ah good to know. thx
 
@JayIsTooCommon 17k what? Dollars? Pounds? Euros? Doggie treats?
 
@JayIsTooCommon that's possibly the lowest "lead" i've ever seen
if they think you're capable of heading up a team, they need to pay you for the responsibility you're undertaking
or maybe they don't know what "lead" means
I read a pretty good article once (just searched, can't find it), about how people with backgrounds in sales will ask for salaries based on what they think they're worth to a company, while developers will typically ask for what they need to survive
it was true for me, required a mindset change, but it's worked out well for me in the end
 
@Leigh Or you take what you can get because the market is crap and the guys hiring know they can lowball you
 
6:31 PM
the market isn't really that bad here I don't think
maybe location dependant
 
was a while back for me and a very different market
 
when you project with confidence that you're a valuable asset, the company doing the hiring will believe it too
 
Anonymous
@Machavity pounds, sorry.
 
Anonymous
@Leigh aye, :/ At 19 it doesn't look too bad on my CV though. And I'll only have one sys admin under me, but yeah pretty low wage
 
6:46 PM
Just in case anyone has any ideas
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Q: Behat / Mink (Selenium2Driver) - File Upload - Dialogue remains open in Firefox

Jimbo Note: I am using the latest Firefox browser and Selenium2 driver on the latest Mac OS X. MinkContext has the following method: attachFileToField() which takes a $field parameter and a $path parameter. It can be executed from Behat via the following: Calling this method works as expected. ...

 
@JayIsTooCommon promotion is promotion though right, do you think you could do better elsewhere?
 
Anonymous
@Leigh yeah I'm positive about it, it's a step in the right direction. Tbh, the only thing I want atm is a good mentor. Currently, I have to teach my senior things.. I wish it was the other way round, I at least want someone to review my code and tell me where to improve etc... So that's what I'm after atm.
 
don't want to be too negative, but they want you to be the lead and you want a good mentor, sounds like the company is just throwing titles around :/
 
Aren't they all
 
not all
@JayIsTooCommon get stuck into some open source projects, visible proven track record of your ability and peer review
 
6:57 PM
!!rfcs
 
Anonymous
@Leigh Yeah I mentioned to pooHaa that I needed to do more open source stuff, build up a portfolio. I'm gonna flirt with @DaveRandom at NW as well, with hope that he'll employ me
 
if you want to get stuck into the guts of things, plenty of people here that will happily mentor you through some internals junk too :)
(and that's always looked good on my CV)
 
Anonymous
Yeah good shout, didn't think about that. Thanks for the advice :)
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
7:12 PM
Now get to work :)
 
Anonymous
And remove your downvote
 
7:29 PM
What downvote?
 
7:46 PM
I wish we could downvote in chat. :)
Ooohh, oohh @PeeHee, big news!...
 
@salathe What would downvoting in chat do?
 
@MadaraUchiha I dunno, unleash the elephpants? *shrug*
 
@DaveRandom I think the word you're looking for is "unemployed" men.
 
Anyway, big news! I changed my mind on the iterable vote :)
 
@salathe Did you vote no now?
 
7:49 PM
@salathe What won you over?
 
@bwoebi No
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa thanks, I thought you DVed it.
 
@MadaraUchiha I wouldn't go so far as to say anything won me over, more like "meh, why not". :P
 
Anonymous
!!rfcs
 
7:53 PM
@salathe I'm ambivalent (obviously), but the only thing I'd think of voting "yes" is because there's already callable and this new iterable isn't a completely new special status type.
 
@salathe ?
What made you chance your mind?
Not having a way to do it in the coming 10 years? :)
 
@MadaraUchiha it's a nice tiny bit of sugar for those people who are weird and want to be "type safe" (ha!) for "something that I can foreach over, but not any old object because that's just stupid". :P
 
Sorry. have to read first :P
 
@PeeHaa *slap*
 
@salathe Honestly, I'd prefer Traversable to include arrays
 
7:56 PM
@MadaraUchiha ditto, and I'm disappointed that that wasn't even mentioned (even if it was to be dismissed by the RFC)... but, meh!
 
@salathe I guess it's a breaking change, so it wouldn't have passed
So this is a fairly good compromise
 
@MadaraUchiha Dude WTF are you on!? That's what a sane language would have done
#PHPLife
 
Who type hints Traversable and would really mind if it's an array? :P
 
@salathe I dunno
But be sure that someone in Internals would claim it so...
 
But yeah, I'm defo with you on Traversable would've been nicer. But hey ho.
 

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