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1:00 PM
@bwoebi I would have paid for your flights if you promised to campaign for remain on Eurofederalism
 
But there was definite divides in the communities there
 
You'd've helped my campaign infinitely. Europhiles here pretend Eurofederalism doesn't exist.
 
imho, the biggest problem is this fixation with the single market, we can do better without it.
 
@MattPrelude Well, that's why nobody campaigned for it ;o)
 
Agree.
Get out of it, make some bilateral trade deals to reduce or remove tariffs.
 
1:02 PM
remove all tariffs, become trade hub, lower cost of goods for all
enjoy comparable prices to the US on food, tech, clothes, etc
 
@bwoebi And you don't consider it dishonest that the Remain camp basically refused to make any case for the EUs actual ambition?
 
@MattPrelude the problem is perhaps, because EU is so large it doesn't have much incentive to have trade deals with small GB.
 
s/initiative/incentive/
 
@MattPrelude I do. Leave was very populistic but remain wasn't very much better.
 
@bwoebi Don't then. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If the EU wants to risk more damage to the economies of Spain, Italy etc and breed more EUscepticism, then let's play brinkmanship games.
 
1:04 PM
@MattPrelude not sure how that's related to Spain and Italy?
 
@bwoebi They do though, the UK is a large consumer, they will at the very least want to continue exporting to the UK
 
Anonymous
@bwoebi GB isn't 'small' to the EU.
 
@Leigh right, UK is a very large importer and they want cheap imports. They are much more in need of imports than EU in express needs of exports to UK…
 
There's the whole rest of the world imports can come from
 
@MattPrelude Anyway, I don't think there won't be trade deals, but they'll be shifted in favor of EU…
 
1:07 PM
I'm really intrigued by this "we hold all the cards" argument that seems to be grounded in a superiority complex. I had thought that the "we are implicitly better than you" attitude was disappearing, it's incredibly damaging in all kinds of ways :-(
 
@MattPrelude what actual ambition?
 
@Gordon eurofederalism. Redistribution of wealth.
 
@bwoebi Being a net importer is an advantage in trade negotiations. We can import from anywhere, you cannot make up that export from anywhere.
There will always be countries willing to sell cheese, wine, cars, etc. There will not always be a willing customer for those products to make up for GB's buying power.
 
@MattPrelude In general, yes… the issue is that you're only close to EU … so either you have relatively expensive shipping costs or pay a bit more in the trade deal.
 
i have a .mp4 file on my amazon s3 bucket
 
1:10 PM
@bwoebi We're close to Iceland, Switzerland and Norway too, which are non-EU countries we can do deals with.
 
when i go the link it forces a download, how do i stop it from downloading and just stream it
 
@MattPrelude they're part of EFTA though.
 
@MattPrelude oh yeah, iceland. I forgot their GNP is at least on par with the buying power of the EU. but I guess if they can beat England in soccer its probably true.
 
@MattPrelude So we want our future to be built on consumption of resources. That sounds awesome.
 
I fully believe that if Fiat have to lay off 100k workers because EU tries to start a trade war, Italy will soon be a non-EU country too.
There's already popular support to ditch the Euro
 
1:11 PM
> Check out my application! It consumes 100% CPU all the time!
 
@MattPrelude populist support. not popular
 
anyone
 
Ugh, sorry for mega multiping
 
@DaveRandom At present, we are not an exporting nation. This may change if our currency keeps plummeting.
 
Yup, we have all this skilled labour we can export! Oh, wait...
 
1:13 PM
We actually have a pretty good automobile exporting sector...
And a massive services exporting sector
 
@MattPrelude You have?
I thought most of them are either struggling or falling
 
@virepo That's constrained by what the browser supports. Wouldn't it be better to embed, anyway?
 
embed?
 
It's a bit outdated but yes, the car manufacture sector is now quite significant.
 
1:16 PM
Oh right. It's just your own brands which are doing terrible :)
 
@virepo possible hack quick-fix is Content-Disposition: inline
 
Depends if you consider Jaguar/Land Rover our brands or not ;)
 
didnt work :/
 
Either way, we export quite a few cars :P
Other than that, not a lot of goods.
The rest of our export is in financial & legal services
 
@MattPrelude both Indian
 
Anonymous
1:17 PM
@virepo Are you visiting the absolute link? with .mp4 at the end?
 
@DaveRandom Pretty sure as a skilled worker, even outside of the EU I'd be able to live and work anywhere I chose, just a couple of extra hoops to jump through (I'd obviously get a job before trying to move, not emigrate and then search)
 
@MattPrelude And copyright enforcement in the city :P
 
@MattPrelude a substantial proportion of which will no longer be based here
 
@Leigh Right, and that's how it should be.
 
samayo yes
 
1:18 PM
@DaveRandom Nonsense. HSBC & Barclays have already said they're going nowhere. This is another part of Project Fear.
 
@Leigh But it's those hoops that make it much harder, as they're a barrier to entry for even decent companies not just yourself
As soon as there's a lottery scheme imposed like the US has you're fucked
 
@Jimbo The US has H1B visas, the lottery is for green card.
 
@Gordon Um...
 
@MattPrelude The US has H1B, with a cap around 60,000. Last year they had 220,000+ applications which turns the whole thing, for everyone, into a lottery scheme, giving you around a 32/33% chance of getting in. For a H1B, with a sponsor.
 
1:20 PM
$472B
EXPORTS
9TH OF 220

$663B
IMPORTS
5TH OF 220
We import more than we export.
@Jimbo As it should be, we should have control over the numbers and skills of people that get in!
 
@MattPrelude sorry, misread
 
Anonymous
@virepo why may I ask do you need to see the absolute url to the video? Should you not embed it, and use javascript to prevent default? either case, check this out stackoverflow.com/questions/9756837/…
 
@MattPrelude It's not control of skills there, it's control of numbers. My expertise is then equal to that of someone wanting to get in to work on a factory floor
And I don't think it is ("skilled" doesn't just mean software engineering)
 
samayo because its for a javascript plugin
it works with a video file on my local folder, but not with my amazon one
 
1:22 PM
@Jimbo The person trying to get in to work in a factory can't get a H1B, it has a skills floor.
 
and i think the difference is because on my local file when i go to the absolute url it streams, but amazin froces download
 
interesting. you import more cars than you export
 
@Gordon Yeah, many German & Italian cars.
We like our Mercedes & Audis
 
mercedes? boooo
 
also, more petroleum
 
1:23 PM
@MattPrelude Okay, someone who is a writer has the same level of 'skills'. Someone who works in agriculture does. A fashion model does. As does a judge or a lawyer.
 
This is my point, we have a large advantage in trade negotiations: more EU jobs rely on UK imports than UK jobs rely on EU imports.
 
though I guess you can import cheap petroleum from scotland when it had left the union
 
If a Laravel dev can get in just as easily as a lawyer, the system is a joke.
 
@Jimbo Well that's for the US to decide. We don't have to copy their system 1:1.
 
Hence, lottery systems are a joke.
 
1:24 PM
@MattPrelude I see it the opposite way. you are dependant on those. its not like you are the only nation in demand.
 
@Jimbo dunno, aren't they roughly the same in terms of contemptability?
 
lol
 
Anonymous
@virepo How about this streaming library from a quick glance, it seems well appreciated by others
 
@Gordon You have to consider replaceability. We are more able to replace imports than EU is to replace exports. It's easier to find people who want to sell cars/wine/cheese than it is to find someone who wants to buy them.
 
it wouldnt work with my problem
 
1:28 PM
@MattPrelude with varying degree of quality
 
@Gordon Scotland wont leave. Tell them they have to accept the Euro, and Schengen, and a tariff on their €50b of exports to UK, and Spain will just veto their EU membership... see what they say.
 
Anonymous
@virepo Well, whatever the case .. you need to play around with the headers. Or ask it in SO and put a bounty for it.
 
@MattPrelude Why would Scotland have to accept Euro?
 
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Bristol commuters moved to tears by this simple but powerful #Wearehere Somme tribute http://goo.gl/6lO1wK
 
@Gordon They genuinely believe they will get the terms Britain has now, with a rebate, and opt outs, and vetos, and keeping the pound.
 
1:30 PM
/I'm not crying, you're crying.
 
@bwoebi Because all new EU states need to commit to join the Euro in time, and Scotland has the economic strength to do it... or would if it didn't run a 10% deficit because of low crude price.
 
Anonymous
@Danack It's great that an event that happened 100 years ago can still get this kind of attention and respect, good on them.
 
@MattPrelude well, so do the brexiters apparently.
 
@MattPrelude Never heard of that, that new Eu members need to commit to enter Eurozone…
 
@Gordon Well, we want different terms, that's why we voted for Brexit. We will however keep the pound. ;)
"All Member States of the European Union, except Denmark and the United Kingdom, are required to adopt the euro and join the euro area. To do this they must meet certain conditions known as 'convergence criteria'."
 
1:32 PM
@MattPrelude Also, question is, if Scotland would separate before UK leaves, perhaps it would actually not have to re-enter the EU as new member … nobody knows yet.
 
@bwoebi EU is suggesting not, and Spain/France dont want to let it.
 
@MattPrelude Might be, then I'm not up to date.
 
@MattPrelude that doesnt say they cannot negotiate for keeping the pound
 
@bwoebi If Scotland had to re-enter, Spain would veto it because they have an active policy not to support secession movements because of their own issues with secession.
 
though they better ditch it. its not worth anything anyway
 
1:35 PM
@Gordon The BoE and the Chancellor have both said we refuse to let Scotland keep the pound if it becomes independent because we're not willing to underwrite their currency issues.
 
@MattPrelude Yea, currently. Nobody knows yet what'll happen in Catalonia…
 
@bwoebi Catalonia is... one of about 10 separatist movements in Spain.
 
oh
 
@MattPrelude I never understood why the uk wanted to keep their GBP anyway… one currency is much more convenient
 
They have the Basques, Valencia, Galicia, Aragon... a lot of regions of Spain.
 
1:37 PM
@MattPrelude You cannot refuse them… you just cannot support them … just like we have a few countries using Euro without being in Eurozone.
 
@Gordon I think Greece & Italy wish they didn't take the Euro. Not having control over your own interest rates & ability to inflate/deflate the size of the currency base is awful for them.
I've lived in Italy, the EU is far worse for them than it is for us.
 
And of course one of our main database servers decides to crash and corrupt itself on rebeccaday.. sigh
 
@Oldskool Just replicating data back isn't an option?
 
we can ask @wes and @ocramius whether they would subscribe to that or whether we should just file this as personal opinion
 
Wut?
 
1:40 PM
both of which obviously would still not prove anything
 
Italy would be sooooooo doomed if it didn't have the Euro
 
@bwoebi I'm kinda stuck in a loop. I can start mysql with innodb recovery mode. But that forces it to start in read-only mode. When I create a dump while it's in that mode it seems to go OK, but then when I want to import it back (and thus have to disable read-only), it crashes instantly.
 
it's the least of both evils
 
how to provide the hositng to the dirfferent domain using php
 
@Ocramius thank you
 
1:41 PM
@Oldskool recreate the whole db then from the dump?
 
@Gordon 48% of Italians back Itexit in a May Ipsos-Mori poll.
 
I have two domain Example xyz.com and abc.com i want to provide xyz.com hosting into the abc.com using the PHP code both domain and hosting provider are same
 
we are cool with @Ocramius ^^
@adililhan PRs or GTFO. Seriously, shit ain't gonna fix itself.
 
and tbh, it's nice to have inflation stopped by bigger players, such as Germany. It is bad for big companies, but good for individuals that would otherwise constantly see their bank account killed by inflation
 
@bwoebi Yeah, that's what we're deciding on now, getting permission from the big chief to drop the corrupt database.
 
1:42 PM
@ad
 
@AdilIlhan that sort of comment you made is not appreciated. Seriously, with the amount of effort we put into working on this, "X is always gonna be shit" is not encouraging, nor helpful, nor friendly
 
@AdilIlhan @old
 
Wes
@Ocramius you mean the currency? we were doing much better before the euro. euro killed everything
 
so expect even unfriendlier responses next time
 
@Oldskool yeah, do a backup (on the filesystem) and then drop it…
 
1:43 PM
@old
 
@Wes we'd be much worse with 16 years of Lira ;-)
 
@Oldskool I have two domain Example xyz.com and abc.com i want to provide xyz.com hosting into the abc.com using the PHP code both domain and hosting provider are same
 
@bwoebi Yup, that's the plan. Just need the green light.
 
we would have had another Craxi
 
1:43 PM
@Nancy Don't just randomly ping people with your problems, that's rude.
 
@Ocramius It's all your fault for not using YAML
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@Oldskool why does that need extra permission? just fix the damn thing
 
@bwoebi Because we could potentially lose data by dropping the db?
 
then where can i ask my Question
 
@bwoebi Just wanna make sure that's not coming back to haunt me ;-)
 
1:44 PM
@Oldskool … but you do a copy on the db file?
 
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Q: how to provide the hositng to the dirfferent domain using php

NancyI have two domain Example xyz.com and abc.com i want to provide xyz.com hosting into the abc.com using the PHP code both domain and hosting provider are same

 
@bwoebi if the data is corrupted, the db engine might not be able to import it back
 
@bwoebi I did a mysqldump. I didn't copy the physical files from the disk. Would that be a better option?
 
Wes
@Ocramius at some point euro would've happened anyway. we just choose the worst time possible
 
@Oldskool Yes, that's what I was referring to. … That's what I typically do as last security measure in case I make anything worse than it was…
 
Wes
1:45 PM
bad leaders, industry in decline
but it's ok... we are recovering now
 
@bwoebi Ah OK. Well coulnd't hurt as extra backup I reckon. Thanks.
 
@Wes more like "we managed to sneak in even if our country was falling apart" :P
heck, we had 15 years of Silvio Bungabunga and we're still alive :P
 
\o
 
Anonymous
1:46 PM
@Ocramius berlusconi is awesome :p
 
LOL
a role model for pimps
 
Gotta love Berlusconi
 
Anonymous
That guy is full of amazeballs
 
Corrupt as hell, but his people still like him (or at least most of them seem to)
 
Anonymous
The only good thing that came from him, was the success of AC Milan.
 
1:48 PM
My grandma used to say "Silvio knows how to deal with his money, so if I give him mine, he'll know what to do with it"
gotta love old ignorant people
 
@MattPrelude so 54% want to remain. good.
 
@bwoebi Copied. Good thinking, thanks for that tip :)
 
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Q: How to provide hosting to a different domain using php

NancyI have two domains Example xyz.com and abc.com and I want to provide xyz.com hosting into the abc.com using the PHP code both domains. Hosting provider is the same.

 
That way I at least have a copy of the corrupted stuff as it is.
 
@Gordon Not sure, I don't have FT subscription so I can't see if there's a "don't know" group.
 
Wes
1:49 PM
right wing is dead in italy, berlusconi killed everything
 
@Oldskool Right… and when anything goes bad, you just restart from scratch with your copy.
 
@Wes You haven't heard of Liga Nord or 5 Star? Italy's moderate right has gone really bad & populist.
 
@Wes now it's all right-ish wing :P
 
5 Star...
 
@Wes For some reason mayor elections of Rome were in German news because of 5 Star …
 
1:50 PM
Couldn't believe it when they won the election in Rome
 
@DHBJones Your caricature of Gove is actually less funny-looking than the real thing.
@nxylas I know. He's set the bar too high with his actual face.
 
@MattPrelude I'm actually somewhat interested in what she'll achieve…
 
Gove has no hope
 
Wes
@MattPrelude 5 star is not right wing. lega nord is utter right wing, but they will never do anything, they are too extremist
 
It'll be May or Leadsom
I wonder what happens to EFDD when UKIP leaves Europarl. I don't think the remainder is enough MEPs for a group.
 
1:53 PM
@Ocramius nope. i appreciated to all of zf team. i appreciate your efforts. i developed a project with zf2.
as you can see, most of people complain of documentation
i don't say "zf is a bad framework"
 
people have been complaining about docs since the release of 2.0.0b1
which is like... 5 years ago
but if people aren't fixing it, they can keep complaining
 
Wes
@MattPrelude why not? 5 star is the best party currently in italy, imho. they are not "professional liars salesmen" but professors, doctors, engineers... talented normal people
 
@Ocramius Berlusconi was pretty hilarious; an embarrassment.
 
i was contributing to Laravel. i gave up contribute to any framework
 
now... since you just said: "i developed a project with zf2", you are EVEN MORE going to be bashed by me the next time you spew such bullshit
 
1:55 PM
@Ocramius solution: abandon ZF and put it into trash bin :-D
 
because you should be one of those able to write docs
 
@Wes Because their main message is Eurosceptic. The Eurosceptic movement is responding to the EU's expansionism and I was just surprised it happened in Italy.
It's hard to Exit as a Eurozone country.
 
Wes
they don't want to leave eu, just change how it works
 
@MattPrelude Euroscepticism isn't a problem. It's good to be sceptic. Pushing for a leave isn't though… Push for change.
 
@bwoebi much like typed properties? :trololo:
 
1:56 PM
@Ocramius ;-)
 
@bwoebi We did, David Cameron went to the Commission and tried to negotiate an end to freedom of movement. It didn't happen, proving that the EU can't be fixed, so we left.
 
@MattPrelude Cameron mainly tried to negotiate special rules for UK…
 
@Ocramius well, you are right. but i can't handle egoist comments by core developers
 
@bwoebi The EU is very resistant to change.
 
Egoist my ass
 
1:58 PM
the sad thing about all these populist movements rearing their ugly head is that people apparently learned nothing from 20th century history or have forgotten about it. they follow the rat catchers touting oversimplified truisms to complex problems; solutions of the past that led to disasters and that are not fit for our current times.
 
so that's why, i decided that don't contribute any framework anymore
 
come here and spend 60% of your free time on OSS
(or more)
 
@Gordon Farage said it best. When you take away peoples' democracy, prosperity and dignity; you leave them only with nationalism and violence.
 
@AdilIlhan It's not egoist. Documenting costs time and if you just say "this is bad" … how is it better? detail your improvements. Help showing them up.
 

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