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10:02 PM
@tereško not a subscriber, but I somehow like it how the guy moderates the series when I stumble over the vids.
Can we have something in PHP 7 for design by contract in core?
maybe part of the assertion module?
 
there was an rfc about this iirc
 
really? who did bring that up?
 
@hakre Yasuo. Which means it aint gonna fly
 
never actually got implemented though, too much discussion on internals and didn't go anywhere
 
10:07 PM
I see. Yeah, you for sure can discuss around that a lot, it's perhaps just necessary to have annotations in core and to be able to make use of them by having insertion points in user-space but then it's clear where this gonna end with "Frameworks" (Frameworks! Frameworks! everywhere).
wow, there are actually two RFCs about DbC.
maybe I can read them tomorrow at the office.
 
I dislike both
give me first-class annotations (just metadata, not code execution) and you can do that stuff via extension
 
That's basically the idea I mentioned with the difference that via an extension instead of userspace there is less the problem with a thousand DbC frameworks.
Sounds like a way to go honestly.
 
wasn't that one RFC about annotations useful? wiki.php.net/rfc/annotations - or as well overengineered?
 
10:16 PM
code coverage for PHP 7 is out? That's great news!
 
@hakre IMHO wiki.php.net/rfc/… <-- that's bad
 
this is early symfony syntax isn't it?
 
I don't care about the syntax
I mean making it instantiate objects automatically
 
well, it's such a proven concept we know from unserialize :D
 
10:22 PM
@ircmaxell well, why not but I somewhat dislike the syntax of those << >> brackets. Looks too important to me, I'd like to have it a little more discrete.
For the PHP.net RFC I wasn't aware it instantiates objects which looks too much to me. From userspace, good support in Reflection would be nice.
I wonder why not just use "normal" @tag annotations.
 
ARG, why the fuck is json_encode using locale-dependent output for floats
 
what? that's a bug I'd say.
jup. frac
. digits
 
@ircmaxell seriously? Probably use %G, which is locale dependent?
 
something something, setlocale is stupid.
 
it's from a different time.
 
10:28 PM
Anyone interested in actual nightly builds of PHP on Travis? I could totally add up-to-date builds to php.kelunik.com
 
@ircmaxell It isn't
 
@Baba nice pick
why does PHPstorm offers me to run the javascript first? Even on a PHP file?
 
@ircmaxell the "unique passwords" part is what hurts to use
 
I can't define salt option in PHP7 is there any other way how to do it? I saw this github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/ext/standard/tests/password/…
 
10:43 PM
@NikiC whoops, missed the ternary there
@tereško no it doesn't, #5 in that list
 
Does IteratorIterator downcast or decorate?
 
@ircmaxell yeah, well. I suck at that one too. Is there a good manager that you can recommend?
 
loosing the stick with the password manager on it sucks big time.
even with backup.
 
my "usb password manager" is named passwords.txt
 
@tereško I like lastpass
 
10:54 PM
So I can rely on PHP7 salt right?
 
@ircmaxell does it integrate with firefox on android?
 
@tereško I believe so, I know it integrates with chrome on android
 
@tereško that one on loosing is really bad.
 
I have a backup on my VPS
but yeah, loosing it means "change all passwords ASAP"
 
11:03 PM
it means: why the hell did I store so many passwords, who needs the crap nowadays?
Full disclosure has real use.
And it actually works.
 
11:23 PM
@hakre well, it also is "shit, what were those passwords"
 
@ircmaxell for that there is backup, but still, it's like too many to change them all.
luckily it's illegal to take other persons passwords even if you have them plaintext ^^
at least as long as computers are involved.
Okay I have to admit: Once I had an GPG key with quite some nice passphrase. And I was loosing it w/o backup. And for anything I encrypted with it, this is garbage now.
Hopefully this only happens once in a lifetime and you fail early.
 
11:44 PM
My god, I've been a member of Stackoverflow for some time, but now that I've actively participated in answering questions and involve with the community, a whole new world seems to have opened up, like this chat. I didn't know it was this active.
 
@Ventus of course it is :D
 
11:59 PM
@Ventus well, you're welcome
also, you managed to hit a quite-spot somehow
 

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