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1:07 PM
@Sherif Sounds like you have a better machine than what we have.
 
Hi Everyone, im having a bit of a problem with an array. If the "name" is empty it is displaying "Array". I wanted to try and customise a name for it. See my example here: pastebin.com/rqKcE9KR Can anyone help me as i am new with arrays
 
@Elgoots psssst... codepad.viper-7.com/UCKe3d
 
@Elgoots you really ought to learn how to step through your code with a debugger. A tutorial on how to do that: youtube.com/watch?v=LUTolQw8K9A
That would should you that where you think you're echoing a string, you're actually echoing an array...
 
echo all the things!
 
@NikiC that seems to work but then I get a Vector instead of a string, so I need to convert that somehow
 
1:11 PM
i see
fail. thanks guys ;)
hmm so what is the best way to display this if the "name" array is empty within the loop? most of them return except for a handful. I checked the database and they are infact empty for the Name.
using a print_r($temp_data['name'];) i can see it is infact empty on some of them
 
@NikiC out of curiosity, why is your version better than mine?
 
@Gordon Add a : String annotation or ::<String> to the collect call, then you should get a string
 
Should i check to see if its !empty and then clear the array and set my own value in the loop for "name" ?
 
@Gordon Mainly because it does not allocate a new string for every character
Even without using the functional variant it should use something like str.push.
 
yes i fixed it doing that.
 
user895378
1:24 PM
morning
 
@rdlowrey o/ wb
 
Hello!? I have web crawler.. I only finds <a href> tags.. Can anyone help how to find h2 tags???
for <a href> its <a\s[^>]*href=(\"??)([^\" >]*?)\\1[^>]*>(.*)<\/a>..
Whats for <h2> tags???
<?php
$to_crawl = "https://www.example.com";
function get_links($url) {
$input = @file_get_contents($url);
$regexp = "<a\s[^>]*href=(\"??)([^\" >]*?)\\1[^>]*>(.*)<\/a>";
preg_match_all("/$regexp/siU", $input, $matches);
var_dump($matches);
}
get_links($to_crawl);
?>
 
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A: How do you parse and process HTML/XML in PHP?

GordonNative XML Extensions I prefer using one of the native XML extensions since they come bundled with PHP, are usually faster than all the 3rd party libs and give me all the control I need over the markup. DOM The DOM extension allows you to operate on XML documents through the DOM API with P...

 
ThW
Morning Gordon
 
@ThW hello
 
1:28 PM
interface Doge
{
    public function howTo($verb);
    public function many($noun);
    public function much($noun);
    public function so($adjective);
    public function such($noun);
    public function very($adjective);
}
 
@Baba wow, lol
"Yeah, let's use mt_rand for generating passwords, what a grand idea!"
> I don't even! ~mt_rand
 
Not sure if floating point magic or somebody dun goofed 3v4l.org/jquDO
 
1:47 PM
There are three kinds of #software #engineers in this world... Which one are you? http://t.co/PmLLsze8xD
 
@Sherif I want to be #3… But I'm not sure if I really am ^^
 
@bwoebi Very few people are
 
@Sherif Time to change my job title to something other than software engineer. :-/
 
@salathe Too bad you haven't figured this out sooner, huh?
 
yeah, thanks :P
 
1:51 PM
It's what I do :)
OK, I lied...
There's also this guy ^
 
user895378
^ That's me. I'm the software engineer who's always getting his head mashed in by unexpected bug manifestations.
 
:D
 
@Sherif that's more like it!
 
Hi Guys, I need a suggestion or links for best dynamic page flip book types using php
 
@Sherif ah, much better.
 
1:58 PM
"crushing it"
 
user895378
lol
 
if purchase plugins also ok. i am ready to buy .Guys could any one tell best page flips for php
 
Any of you US guys tried that BK Velvet Oreo milkshake? Do want.
 
It's like that guy from Silicon Valley... 33.media.tumblr.com/fb955bdb82e547bcf0cca8cfb06cfa5a/…
He crushed it from 2013 to present!
 
could any one suggest me.
 
2:04 PM
 
with high designs... any one have idea
 
Linux: How can I do a line removal from a file with a command that doesn't create a temporary file in the background to do so? Sed creates a temporary file :-(
 
@salathe me too
 
@MadaraUchiha hehehe ..... how are you doing ?
 
@Baba Good, you?
Long time no see :)
 
2:07 PM
@MadaraUchiha yeah .... am not ok ...
 
@Jimbo How's that? sed -i '/pattern to match/d' /path/to/file How is that creating a temporary file?
 
posted on July 27, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by 360km */

 
@MadaraUchiha what have you been doing all this while ?
 
I just watched that film the other day. Re: Coding love post
 
@Baba I've kinda moved away from PHP and more into Java/JavaScript
@Baba What's up?
 
2:09 PM
@MadaraUchiha Java ??? Why
 
I read that as "Eating my code after holidays" 3 times.
 
@DaveRandom Perhaps you should catch some sleep.
 
Hungry?
 
I don't understand how people can deal with JavaScript...
 
@NikiC Sanely.
@Baba Well, the company I work for does Java, so I adapted :D
I like PHP a lot more than I do Java though
 
2:10 PM
I thought PHP's lax error handling was bad, but that was before I tried writing some JS code recently
 
morning
 
@Fabor This is more like me editing my code after the holidays 31.media.tumblr.com/79d7b22cdc9de247884af96a9a9ed962/…
 
@NikiC Oh it's easy enough as long as you keep a good stock of sacrificial virgins in.
 
@MadaraUchiha lol .... what are they into ?
 
lol.
 
2:11 PM
@Baba Content recommendations
"You may like this...."
 
Obviously we all need more holiday.
 
The fact that accessing undefined properties does not error in any way, how do people deal with that?
 
@Fabor amen
 
@NikiC ahaha… or is that just because you know that exactly how PHP reacts and JS reacts in other unexpected ways?
 
@NikiC JavaScript is actually more predictable in its error handling in most cases
Than PHP that is
 
2:11 PM
@Sherif Well... I've used setfacl to give Jenkins permissions to /etc/hosts.
 
@NikiC Turn strict mode on?
 
It has rw permissions. I do a sed -i already, and it gives: "sed: couldn't open temporary file /etc/sedQuqNpN: Permission denied"
 
@Sherif I turned it on and it doesn't help much
 
@Sherif Although strict mode won't solve exists[doesnt]
 
2:12 PM
@Jimbo I don't understand how that answers my question though.
 
@Sherif That strict mode thing alone is awful… Why the hell is that off by default??!
 
@NikiC hummm how many number of concurrent users are you dealing with ...
 
@bwoebi Because legacy.
 
@Sherif (read next sentence, patience... :P)
 
@MadaraUchiha that I disagree with. The cases where it's obvious, it's usually obvious in both languages. Where PHP errors on the side of making the programmers life easier, JS seems to not (for example why does if (foo.bar.baz.biz) throw a referenceerror)
 
2:13 PM
I still end up trying to hunt down some "undefined" value that propagates five level downwards where NaN ends up in a translation matrix
 
@NikiC firebug
 
@Jimbo OK, but permissions has what to do with sed creating a temporary file in order to delete a line from some file?
 
@ircmaxell Well, because you try to access a property on undefined
 
@Sherif Background knowledge in the form of one line of text
 
Wha?
 
2:14 PM
The fact that foo.baz is undefined is a good thing in many cases, you just need to be aware of that behavior and not recklessly call methods/properties on an object that may be undefined.
 
@MadaraUchiha I know why. My point is that sort of error simply makes things more difficult for programmers. Why not have the undefined cascade?
 
@Sherif Regardless, main issue: "sed: couldn't open temporary file /etc/sedQuqNpN: Permission denied"
 
@ircmaxell I remember there was an explanation for that, I just don't remember it.
 
@Jimbo temporary files… in /etc?!?
 
@ircmaxell That would be even more horrible
At least now I can get an error on nested undefined access
 
2:15 PM
@NikiC why?
 
@NikiC It stems from the fact that JavaScript's objects are dynamic and aren't bound to classes.
 
@MadaraUchiha hummm how many number of concurrent users are you dealing with
 
@Jimbo Are you running sed from php?
 
now you have to litter your code with if (a && a.b && a.b.c && a.b.c.d) { //blah }
 
In PHP, it's very easy to determine that an object of a certain type does or does not have a property
 
2:16 PM
@MadaraUchiha PHP also has dynamic properties that are not bound to classes. But they will generate a diagnostic error if you read them before write
 
In JavaScript, it is not.
 
@Sherif No, from jenkins, which has permission to edit my /etc/hosts file... hence that little bit of background knowledge around my issue that I initially provided ;)
 
@Jimbo I have no idea why sed is using /etc as /tmp, but perhaps check if your Jenkins user has permission to write to /tmp?
 
I must be doing something wrong. If I write JS code half the time is spent trying to find where an "undefined" came from, because I get an exception in some totally difference place.
 
@MadaraUchiha for a human, or for the compiler?
 
2:17 PM
@ircmaxell Both
For a human if you are not disciplined, and for the compiler generally.
 
compilers can do it pretty easily with the classes it generates
 
@ircmaxell But JavaScript doesn't have classes :)
 
@MadaraUchiha are you using Javascript for server side too ?
 
@Baba Yeah
 
@MadaraUchiha in the backend (compiler internals) it does
 
2:18 PM
@bwoebi sed -i always creates a tmpfile and switched it when done
 
@ircmaxell No, it doesn't. It optimizes objects based on how they were used in past instances, but it's still not classes
 
@Sjon yeah, but why in /etc and not /tmp?
 
Yea, I was surprised to learn that, but apparently an strace proves it
 
More like it remembers the structure of the object in the past, and attempts to optimize based on that "template" of the object.
It's by no means a "class"
There was a great article about that
 
2:20 PM
@bwoebi I'd guesst because /tmp is tmpfs in lots of distros, meaning trouble when processing large files
 
@MadaraUchiha whether that statement is right or wrong depends on your definition of the word "class"
 
@JoeriSebrechts Probably.
 
@Sjon sounds plausible.
 
@ircmaxell Hmm, yeah. Sounds like they adopted the "class" terminology after all
 
@MadaraUchiha it is very much a class. It's not "isntantiated", and can be mutated over time, but at a given point in time, it's still a class.
 
2:21 PM
But still, they aren't "classes" in the same sense as PHP or Java classes.
 
no, they aren't named, no there isn't inheritance
 
user895378
Still, /var seems like a better choice than /etc to me for temp files if you can't use /tmp as /etc is supposed to be for configuration things ...
 
agree
 
but you know for a fact that if class(a) !== class(b) that a !== b, so there is a use for them
 
@SammyK @ScottArciszewski Looks like we need to come up with list of functions in the engine that should throw... though I'm not entirely sure what Anatol wants.
 
2:22 PM
@ircmaxell You can't really compare objects with === (or even == for that matter) in JavaScript
 
/me sighs
 
{foo: 'bar'} === {foo: 'bar'} // false
But I do get your point.
 
@rdlowrey Well, I mean technically it's "et cetera"
 
@SammyK @ScottArciszewski Personally I would like to see most warnings become exceptions, but I don't think that's going to happen for 7.
 
user895378
Yeah I understand that ... I still think var is more sensible
 
2:23 PM
@Sherif and what's /var technically? ;-)
 
@bwoebi Three letters
 
………
 
TIL USC 35 § 105 - Inventions in outer space
 
var Contains variable data like system logging files, mail and printer spool directories, and transient and temporary files
 
@Sherif So I used setfacl to give Jenkins permissions to /tmp, still get the same error :(
 
2:26 PM
@Jimbo Are you running SELinux?
 
@Sherif Nope, just ubuntu
 
@Jimbo I would assume selinux is enabled by default even on ubuntu?
 
@PeeHaa Lol, I thought SELinux was a flavour of linux for a minute
@Sherif Well 'getenforce' is not installed
 
:-)
 
@MadaraUchiha do you even know what mt_rand() does and why it is no problem to generate passwords with it?
 
2:30 PM
-_-
 
@chozilla I know what mt_rand() does, and why it is very much a problem to generate passwords with it.
 
@Jimbo What does ls -laZ /tmp give you?
 
@MadaraUchiha there is no problem.
 
What does the Z flag do?
/me is too lazy to man ls
 
@chozilla there is a problem.
 
2:32 PM
@chozilla mt_rand() is far too predictable to be used for anything that has to do with security.
 
If you generate passwords with mt_rand, you can just as well use "" as the password for everyone
 
@daverandom -Z print any SELinux security context of each file
 
> -Z, --context
> print any SELinux security context of each file
 
oic
 
@NikiC what is the problem? that you need a random seed?
 
2:33 PM
@Sherif Umm, a lot of stuff (as there's a lot of files in /tmp) are you after something specifically?
 
@Jimbo Just the line with /tmp itself
Or .
 
@Sherif drwxrwxrwx+ 60 root root ? 217088 Jul 27 15:33 .
The Z parameter gives an extra ? column for all the files
 
Good morning
 
Yea, that means you don't have SELinux
 
2:34 PM
Yay
 
@Jimbo So it looks like you have additional ACL on there. Check getfacl and see what it is.
 
Want to troll the frontend devs in your team? Use the username "[object Object]" and send them a screenshot. Enjoy the imaginary bug hunt.
 
@Sherif Yeah I added jenkins with rw to it
 
@ircmaxell well user passwords is kind of a different thing than creating ssl initialisation vectors.
 
@ircmaxell Hehe, that's a good one
 
2:36 PM
@chozilla it is? Both require forward secrecy
 
@chozilla Both a password and a private key are secrets.
You want secrets to be secret, and you want the generation process to be unpredictable.
 
@ircmaxell lets be clear, its not the "mt" part that is a problem it is the "random" part (and maybe the underscore)
 
mt_rand() is neither of those things, therefore, it cannot be used to generate a 10 character password, as much as it cannot be used to generate a 4k bit private key.
 
@chozilla rand(), mt_rand(), uniqid(), etc are all bad
 
My wife's mood is pretty secure then. That's always unpredictable.
 
2:39 PM
:D
 
that's common for them :p
 
Best random number generators in ascending order: atmospheric static noise, quantum nuclear fission, @Fabor's wife.
 
heh
 
@ircmaxell: MT19937 is one of the most usefully algorithms. why the hell do you attach a "_rand" and make it bad.
 
@MadaraUchiha Mersenne Twister is actually pretty unpredictable. The problem is we use too small of a state size
 
2:40 PM
@Sherif I'm just acting as the 'jenkins' user now, and trying this straight in the command line has the same issue, so it can't be the Jenkins application it's definitely a linux issue
 
@chozilla it's a useful algorithm for non-security purposes. The state size of MT19937 is simply too small to be useful in a security context
 
@Jimbo The error actually says permissions failed on /etc/?
 
@ircmaxell I can imagine
Given
3 hours ago, by Baba
https://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/3eaw98/mt_rand1_php_int_max_only_genera‌​tes_odd_numbers/
 
@chozilla MT19937 is a great algorithm with nice properties regarding it's period, but it does not have the non-predictability that is necessary for cryptographic purposes
 
@NikiC thats why mt_rand <- is a lie.
 
2:42 PM
MT is incredibly useful for statistical purposes, for example as input to a Monte Carlo simulation
 
@chozilla mt_rand is a pseudo random number generator. The "rand" is not a lie
It's just not a cryptographically-secure pseudo random number generator
 
@NikiC I once showed how vulnerable it is to put a mt_srand(1) in a config file at the start. noone realy knows what they are using
 
which is why php7 has good random functions
 
btw, we should deprecate rand
We should also add random_shuffle
 
Why deprecate it?
Some people still rely on that implementation.
 
2:45 PM
@Sherif Because it has no purpose
 
@Sherif mt_rand() is better in every way
 
if you depricate mt_rand() then please put in a "real" (maybe stateless) MT 19937 ^^
 
And they have the same compatibility.
 
mt_rand is strictly superior to rand
 
@Sherif Some people rely on mysql_* too
 
2:46 PM
@NikiC Couldn't rand() just be an alias of mt_rand()?
 
And given how rand is kinda the most obvious go-to point for someone not familiar with a language and it's at the same time the worst function you can use, it should not just work silently
 
@Trowski That's actually an acceptable solution IMHO
 
@Trowski I wouldn't do that, as mt_rand generates a different sequence
 
@ircmaxell can you bypass all the "good" random functions if you set there seed at the start somewhere in php and have them beeing initialized globaly?
 
It's better to force use of a different function or explicitly supression if you really need the current sequence
@chozilla no
 
2:48 PM
@NikiC I suppose there might be code relying on the sequence.
 
then please add a pure mt function and dont name it random
 
@chozilla Read as: "Good" random functions means actually random. "Bad" random functions as not random at all.
 
@chozilla I would +1 a proposal for an RNG class (seed based and stateful).
Thought not sure it should use MT
could as well use a cryptographic algorithm
Or allow choice
But I think providing that is a good idea
As implementing it in userland can be tricky due to unsigned arithmetic
 
user895378
I'm sorry @chozilla, but you kind of lost your credibility on this topic when you said this:
 
Well, and performance
 
user895378
2:51 PM
21 mins ago, by chozilla
@MadaraUchiha do you even know what mt_rand() does and why it is no problem to generate passwords with it?
 
These photo realistic drawings are always so cool.
 
@rdlowrey misunderstanding an algorithm or using it for the wrong things does not make it a bad algorithm.
 
oh god somebody is trying to validate emailaddresses again...
 
user895378
@chozilla Of course. But that's not what you said. You said it is "no problem" to generate passwords with mt_rand()
 
@nikita2206 Uhhhhm did he just steal the php regex pattern?
 
@rdlowrey define password? when i generate a 5 letter room password it does it job nice. but i dont want security in that case.
 
@PeeHaa I have no idea, probably googled it
 
@chozilla if it's stateless, it would simply be return 4;
 
2:55 PM
At least better than /.+@.+\..+/ :D
 
@chozilla and that's still bad
 
Alright screw sed, let's try awk
 
@ircmaxell I think global state. so a plugin can init your generator and then you are stuck with a predictable order of values.
 
@chozilla you want a sequence generator, not a random generator
 
2:58 PM
@ircmaxell and now i ask you again why the function is called mt_rand() ?
 
because if seeded with a random number, it gives you a random sequence
 
so why can i init it globaly?
@ircmaxell and why do people use it for everything BUT sequences?
 
@PeeHaa Ye gods
 
@PeeHaa that /iD in the end of line trolls me
 
3:03 PM
@ircmaxell :) yea they look for "random" and mt_rand is all they find.
 
I am happy that you fix that.
ok... now i have to randomly distribute tomato-sprites on a tomatoplant-sprite... my job is not sane...
@NikiC how to write a proposal and when would be a good time to do so? (note: I have no clue about c programming)
 
3:26 PM
@chozilla Email internals and request RFC karma, then go to https://wiki.php.net/rfc/your-rfc-name and you will be able to create the page
(you need to be logged in, obviously)
 
thanks @DaveRandom i hope i find time soon
 
Hey crypto question!
 
@MadaraUchiha 4
 
@DaveRandom Correct!
Is it possible to encrypt a message in a way that can only be decrypted until a specified date?
That is, after N hours the message becomes gibberish forever even if the private could decrypt it before that time
 
3:30 PM
@MadaraUchiha how should it?
 
I think you would need a 3rd party that only gives out decryption keys until the date and with the right credentials.
 
@bwoebi Some sort of timed revoking system?
(Crypto isn't my strong side :( )
 
@MadaraUchiha not unless there's a server that decrypts it
 
but then when you have the key, you would be able to decrypt it whenever you like.
 
@ircmaxell Alright
 
3:31 PM
@MadaraUchiha as long as you're in control of the unique way to decrypt it… yeah. (basically what Anthony said)
 
Because I saw that someone is planning to release an extension to GMail that allows for timed messages (i.e. messages which become inaccessible within a specified timeframe)
They aren't using encryption, and are using a server
But it's a farce, since it requires me to share my message with a server
(I don't remember if it were Google or some other party)
 
Every time I email the PHP Internals team, I feel like jumping off a bridge soon after
it's the darndest thing
 
@ScottArciszewski Anatol's behavior in the random_bytes thread has been pissing me off greatly
 
@ScottArciszewski Reminds me of the discussion we had here a few weeks back regarding making the internals discussions more accessible to the wide audience
 
But I managed to refrain from writing any angry mails :)
 
3:37 PM
Out of interest, is there are shorter way of writing this?
 
@CallumBarclay return $a !== 0?
 
What about that really? Did any of you raise it up in internals?
 
"This function unpredictably raises an E_ERROR and crashes your program" is just going to make people allergic to adoption
 
The idea of moving the discussions to GitHub issues or a similar medium over the crappy legacy mailing-list system?
 
@CallumBarclay return true;
 
3:38 PM
"we can't use that, we need our apps to be stable"
 
@NikiC Thanks.
 
@MadaraUchiha nope
 
@NikiC Technically return 0 !== $a = 1;
 
@ScottArciszewski I actually agree with that. Which is why I think exception is correct
 
function make_sure_one_is_still_not_zero() {}
function validate_set_theory() {}
 
3:40 PM
function is_computer_on() { return true; }
 
@ircmaxell Right, but apparently having random_bytes() and random_int() throw is is inconsistent, but only if you ignore the many other conditions in the engine that can throw.
 
lol
yeah, because consistency > security
/s
 
Particularly intdiv() which can throw DivisionByZeroError.
 
@ScottArciszewski it's not, we have precident for it
 
3:45 PM
I don't know why discussing things on internals has to be so painful, none of the people opposed to exceptions have contributed a line of code to this feature :P
 
@ScottArciszewski That shouldn't be a consideration.
 
it's like there are people whose only function is "I have a contrary opinion"
 
I haven't contributed a single line of code to PHP ever, does that make my opinion and less valid than those who have?
 
@MadaraUchiha it shouldn't in practical terms
 
@ScottArciszewski Yeah, that isn't really a good reason to ignore their opinion.
 
3:46 PM
it's merely an observation
 
@ScottArciszewski I may be a lot more qualified to language design than any of those people in there
I also may not be, but you'll never know if that's your entry bar.
 
user5129503
Hi
 
@MadaraUchiha No, the thing that invalidates your opinion is the fact that we know you.
:-P
 
@MadaraUchiha bring it up on the webmaster mailing list, that might get a friendlier response (or it'll get cc'ed to internals and all hell will break loose).
 
@DaveRandom :D
 
3:47 PM
I'm just frustrated and I want to set things on fire, metaphorically speaking
 
@ScottArciszewski s/metaphorically/literally/ (let's be honest here)
 
@salathe Like I said, I don't really care enough to argue the case.
I think it would be beneficial to the PHP project as a whole
But I don't really use PHP enough to spend time arguing about it in the mailing lists
 
@MadaraUchiha I'd make the same assumption of everyone else in the world... moving away from mailing lists might be nice, but... E_TOO_MUCH_EFFORT.
 
let's just set up a phpBB board and call it a day
 
I think you people have a distinct interest in moving the mailing list to a better medium
I just don't have said interest :P
 
3:48 PM
and it's not the moving that's the effort... it's the talking about the moving.
 
integrate with slack or something for the hipster dev crowd
 
@ScottArciszewski Nah, move to GitHub issues for starters
Gitter and Slack can come later
Those mailing lists are all but unusable.
 
@ScottArciszewski +1, but everybody will hate on you for suggesting it.
 
@DanLugg In the interest of non-self-incrimination, no comment :P
err
never used Gitter before :)
 
@ScottArciszewski Gitter is a simpler form of Slack
One room per repo/organization (whichever you set it up to be), and has a very tight integration with GitHub, and looser integrations with other services.
Slack more of an IRC on steroids.
 
3:51 PM
Integrate with new things, but don't get rid of the mailing lists / newsgroups interfaces. They're well known and work well (well, other than news.php.net NNTP being a pile of beep, but that's not a problem with the medium, just the implementation)
 
@AllenJB GitHub issues have a mail interface
 
Someone was waxing lyrical about the Atlassian competitor for Slack the other day
I forget what it's called
 
I've already had this conversation with @salathe
 
hipchat?
 
That's the badger
 
3:52 PM
$dayjob uses it
try pasting a few lines of code without it breaking :P
 
We use Slack, works well but for us the bulk of people using it are non-technical
 
Also, I'd be careful about relying on proprietary third party services - GitHub may be all sunshines now, but remember that not so long ago, SourceForge was the GitHub of its day.
 
I originally put it in place to stop people generating GBs of pointless mails in the exchange store every fucking day
Because everyone had a signature with ridiculously big images in it and they included it in internal mails :-/
 
cool thing about github is that it's git
so you can easily jump off the platform
 
@ScottArciszewski Moving the main discussion to GitHub has a lot of really great advantages
 
user895378
3:55 PM
/me has his first valid use-case for a static closure in php
 
@ScottArciszewski not for discussions and issue tracking
 
@rdlowrey wow, really? what is it?
 
only for the source and wiki
 
user895378
@NikiC something something $this references and allowing GC on an object
 
I meant re: sourceforge
 
3:55 PM
Searchability, tags, the ability to reference other issues and commits, the ability to reference issues from commits
 
which is a really foreshadowing name when you think about it
 
@rdlowrey makes sense
 
user895378
@NikiC it's a bit of a hack but I'm registering the static closure as a callback elsewhere and use()-ing a StdClass inside it for state instead of $this
 
@ScottArciszewski sourceforge is worse than dead.
sourceforge is a compromised, malware infected service.
I wouldn't use anything that has ever been touched by it.
 
yeah, it has been since at least 0wned and exp0sed 2
 
3:57 PM
There's an exceedingly disappointing amount of software still on SF, and I don't think they have any plans to move off it.
 
Mostly Linux-specific stuff (FUSE and v9fs stuff, last I checked)
 
Ctrl + F "~ ettercap" w/o quotes
 

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