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user895378
3:00 PM
Wow, apparently the police should up with dogs to the first vigils for the victim in Ferguson. Nice.
 
@seagoj No one told you to use AUTO
 
@SecondRikudo yes, at one target at a time...
@SecondRikudo ?
 
@ircmaxell but but ...
 
In the Israeli army, the main weapon (used to be) is M16
 
@rdlowrey whoops, uv has hidden dependency on ext/sockets ;-)
 
3:00 PM
that just says at the time of the crime, the gun wasn't legally owned, it doesn't say anything about how the gun go to be illegally owned ...
 
M16 is an automatic assault rifle, but it's prohibited to use the AUTO mode
It's either SAFE or SEMI.
 
won't most of those firearms have been acquired at some point legally ?
how else would they come about ?
 
user895378
@Ja͢ck wat? I don't think it requires it
 
I'm not saying availability isn't a problem. And I'm not saying that culture isn't a problem
 
user895378
I think you only need it if you want to watch for IO on ext/sockets resources
 
3:01 PM
@JoeWatkins it's totally legal to purchase a gun at a gun show with cash and without record
 
user895378
@Jack But maybe I'm wrong. Where are you seeing that?
 
@rdlowrey A rifle? :o
 
@JoeWatkins yes, and then they are illegally sold or stolen
 
@rdlowrey True, but there's more low IQ citizens than cops.
 
user895378
@webarto lol so the real problem is and always has been this: idiots in large numbers
 
3:02 PM
yeah so the point of origin is a lot of the time a legal acquisition, so if you make it illegal the guns on the streets don't stop working but math says you stem the flow of firearms, for sure doesn't it ?
 
@rdlowrey i beg to differ ;-)
 
@SecondRikudo Do you carry them home?
@rdlowrey Basically :)
 
@JoeWatkins That's my thinking. Bottleneck the illegal supply by removing the legal supply. As @ircmaxell just mentioned, there's already far too many in circulation, but it's still the right choice if there's ever going to be a difference made.
 
@webarto Personally, I didn't.
Soldiers in the combat squads do.
 
@JoeWatkins stemming the flow implies that there aren't already a ton out there
 
user895378
3:02 PM
@Ja͢ck I think that could probably be a conditional include, though.
 
@DanLugg I think everyone should own a gun and it should be a musket. :)
 
It's not uncommon seeing armed soldiers riding a bus like it's nothing
 
@rdlowrey Probably, just trying to get the whole thing to compile first :)
 
you know anyone can have a gun in this country ... I don't need one ... I think really it's about changing minds, the mindset that says I need a gun because guns exist is provably wrong ...
 
user895378
@Ja͢ck I don't think it actually depends on that unless you want to do IO on resources from ext/sockets. That's something we can address.
 
3:03 PM
@ircmaxell no there are, and they'll still be good for murdering people, but you gotta start somewhere ...
 
user895378
with some #ifdefs
 
@rdlowrey Release the #ifdef inferno!
 
user895378
@JoeWatkins do you, though? I actually had two dudes break into my house in broad daylight. I want a gun because the police will never be able to stop that.
 
It does have an annoying httpparser dep, though.
 
user895378
@Ja͢ck yeah that is annoying
 
user895378
3:04 PM
Shouldn't be a requirement
 
user895378
As the node parser kind of sucks.
 
@rdlowrey you'd kill a man for that ?
 
user895378
@JoeWatkins If I thought they were going to kill me and they broke into my house? Yes. I would shoot them. You or me? Sorry, but I want to continue being alive.
 
@rdlowrey yeah, it's disguised as a --enable-httpparser option, but in reality there's no such check.
 
user895378
@JoeWatkins There's a high likelihood that if someone breaks into your house they're either (1) crazy, (2) a hardened criminal who won't think twice about shooting you, or (3) high on drugs and won't think twice about shooting you.
 
user895378
3:06 PM
And they have guns whether they're legal or not.
 
Now that we've solved the world's problems, I've recently looked into BDD and I understand how it could ease development and is faster (less formal) than TDD, but I'm at a small shop and I'm the one that would have to write the unit tests anyway. It's just duplication of work or am I missing something?
 
user895378
This is a real situation that I have faced.
 
@rdlowrey see (3) here doesn't imply a shooting, nearly everyone that would engage in that crime here is addicted to class A drugs (crack, heroin), they don't have guns because if they did they would have sold them to feed their habbit ...
 
@rdlowrey hmm, okay, this calls for a separate uv_http_parser.c =p
 
@rdlowrey They broke in during the day because they thought you were out. If they wanted to kill you, they'd come at night.
 
user895378
3:08 PM
@JoeWatkins Okay, so they have a huge fuckoff hunting knife. I still want a gun because I'm unlikely to win against a crazy person in a knife fight.
 
Why is domain object called domain?
 
user895378
@seagoj yeah, obviously they aren't out to kill you -- they just want your stuff. But when confronted and they pull a gun their original intentions cease to matter.
 
our worlds are just very different. I guess ... I wouldn't kill a man for breaking into my house whatever ... if you fire a gun, a machine designed to kill people, you have a high chance of taking a life, one is possesions and the other is a life ... if I thought someone was about to kill me and I had a gun, of course I would use it and probably would not seem like a choice ... but the situation is kinda escalated because they are everywhere ...
 
@rdlowrey What happened when they saw you?
 
Because relevant.
 
user895378
3:10 PM
@seagoj They pulled a gun, I ran out the side door because I had no way to defend myself and they took off.
 
if your average burglar was armed to the teeth my view would be different ...
 
user895378
Later in the day they robbed two more houses and fired at at least one person.
 
@rdlowrey I get that that must have been terrifying, but I think that proves my point.
@rdlowrey that not so much... :)
 
user895378
@seagoj No, because they then actually shot at people a couple hours later a few miles away
 
were they armed?
 
user895378
3:12 PM
@seagoj they pulled a gun on me, yes.
 
All this makes me pretty glad I don't live in the US
 
ditto
 
@rdlowrey no the people they shot at
 
@rdlowrey I parted my ways with police, they've failed to give me basic protection, every time.
 
user895378
@seagoj no. It was an old dude.
 
3:12 PM
Who wants to risk their life for $500 a month.
 
@rdlowrey how did they miss him, then?
:)
 
user895378
There's nothing you can say that's going to change that I have a shotgun under the bed.
 
@webarto This also is a valid point - but less relevant when you live in a place where the bad guys don't have guns either
 
@rdlowrey I'm not saying you shouldn't
 
user895378
If I wake up at night and hear someone in the house I want to be able to defend myself.
 
3:14 PM
I'm just saying, I don't think most people who break into houses are all that violent. They're usually just desperate.
 
user895378
Desperation is how violence usually happens
 
@DaveRandom Where I am it's hard to buy a pistol legally, it would take you a year at least. I needed it today, what are my options?
 
@rdlowrey I disagree
 
Call the police after I'm dead?
 
user895378
No one is a straight "bad guy" who's going around trying to kill people
 
user895378
3:14 PM
@seagoj And we can agree to disagree.
 
user895378
You're attributing rational behavior to people breaking into houses.
 
@rdlowrey I think most of them are
I'd break into your house if I had to.
If there was no other way, I'd do it for sure
and you'd break into mine
 
I don't think that's true ^^
 
thinking that they are different from us is a mistake
 
@rdlowrey they do exist though...
 
3:16 PM
@rdlowrey If you disregard the background of "arbeit macht frei", you'll see that majority of felons don't do it because they're hungry, but because they want riches. The key is the in the quoted words.
 
@DanLugg which part?
 
user895378
@ircmaxell yeah totally
 
If you're hungry in America, kill yourself immediately.
 
@ircmaxell Do you have a citation for that, because it appears to be bollocks. motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map "The below analysis covers the cases from 1982 through 2012, and the map has been updated with cases through 2013.* Weapons: Of the 143 guns possessed by the killers, more than three quarters were obtained legally. "
 
I don't think enough to "worry" about
 
3:17 PM
@seagoj That we'd all devolve into common criminals, thieving from one another.
 
user895378
@seagoj I'm way too softcore to break into your house. I'd try eating grass first ;)
 
@Danack depends on your definition of "obtained legally"
 
@rdlowrey I mean, I wouldn't unless it was my last option, but if I had to I would.
 
@webarto Well yeh that's the problem - once the bad guys have guns its difficult to do anything about it
 
@seagoj Had to, for f* sake, why?
Don't bullshit please. Family and shit.
 
3:18 PM
@webarto ?
 
user895378
@seagoj there's obviously a survival instinct. But in the USA no person is ever pushed to the point where burglary is the only option for survival.
 
Why would you had to break into Daniel's house? @seagoj (example)
 
@Danack Example, the Connecticut one they cite as legal, wasn't. They were registered to his parents, and he stole the guns from them. You can argue if that's a fine line or not, but he didn't buy them himself...
 
@rdlowrey Most definitely not. When there was war here, no one really killed their neighbors for a bag of flour.
 
@webarto I think we all live priviliged lives
@webarto Not being able to put yourself in that situation is merely a lack of imagination
 
user895378
3:20 PM
Also, no one has mentioned the most important reason why I need guns: the ever-present potential for Zombie Apocalypse.
 
what "safety net" would prevent it?
 
user895378
This video is most certainly not going to be what I expect given the icon.
 
@seagoj I don't quite follow, I don't have imagination?
 
3:21 PM
oh, that icon isn't great
 
@rdlowrey not sure about that statement, although it's likely they didn't get there solely because of failures in the system (thinking about Katrina, specifically, but natural disasters in general)
 
looks like as an introduction to the HD porn
 
There's two - as I said, do you have citation for the claim that only one mass shooting is with illegally acquired guns?
 
The govt. response to Katrina was an absolute joke
 
3:21 PM
@webarto what would keep you from ever needing to steal?
 
user895378
@DaveRandom well, acts of god are a different thing. I'm discounting that possibility entirely like insurances companies do. You can't use "there could be a hurricane" as a basis for public policy.
 
@seagoj My skills to acquire it without stealing. And steal what exactly?
 
@Danack nope, those were all illegal (Columbine)
it's called a Straw Purchase.
 
user895378
@DaveRandom That's because the US gov't exists to further commercial interest, not to ... you know ... help poor people ;)
 
> In the months prior to the attacks, Harris and Klebold acquired two 9 mm firearms and two 12-gauge shotguns. Their friend Robyn Anderson bought a rifle and the two shotguns at the Tanner Gun Show in December 1998.[21] Through Philip Duran,[22] another friend, Harris and Klebold later bought a handgun from Mark Manes for $500.
 
3:23 PM
@rdlowrey Depends where you live, but generally true
 
@webarto and what if you didn't have those skills?
 
Shoot myself.
 
A straw purchase or nominee purchase is any purchase wherein an agent agrees to acquire a good or service for someone who is unable or unwilling to purchase the good or service himself, and the agent transfers the goods/services to that person after purchasing them. Straw purchases are legal except in cases where the ultimate receiver of goods or services uses those goods or services in the commission of a crime with the prior knowledge of the straw purchaser, or if (depending on recent rulings of the USSC) the ultimate possessor is not legally able to purchase the goods/services. Recently, in...
 
@webarto lack of imagination
 
Yeah, whatever, you know.
I wouldn't certainly break into @rdlowrey house.
Unless he's filthy rich billionaire.
 
user895378
3:25 PM
Spoiler alert: I'm not a filthy rich billionaire.
 
@webarto so you'd pick a better target? That's understandable. :)
 
I wouldn't steal other peoples bread even if I don't have my own.
 
@webarto I think you would
 
user895378
But if I was I'd hire some goons with tight black shirts and muscles to keep punks like @webarto out :)
 
Yeh, he makes do with his millions, just like everyone else
 
3:25 PM
I think I didn't, nor did my family. @seagoj
It's easy to be smart from the comfort of your home.
 
@webarto fair enough. I can't argue with personal experience.
 
Morning
 
user895378
okay, I gotta do some work. Have fun going in ideological circles folks :)
 
@Leri What time is it?
 
@rdlowrey Yea, we could really use some non-blocking tech on this discussion. I have a feeling a timeout is in order.
 
3:27 PM
@webarto You're a better man than me.
 
@seagoj Different mentality, probably.
 
@bad_boy I am using UGT.
 
Well I would shoot you down, don't worry about that.
If you would to steal from me.
Choose... M70AB2, CZ999, M84, M93 :D
 
@rdlowrey it compiles ... amazing.
 
It doesn't bother me that you're armed
 
3:30 PM
This is just my means of getting out of the country.
 
I'm not going to steal from you, because I don't need to.
 
When shit hits the fan, you need: 1.) passport 2.) $10.000 in cash 3.) weapon
Oh, bulletproof vests.
Nice :)
 
@rdlowrey Are you a filthy rich millionaire then? :P
 
@webarto I think you'll want a new fan too ...
 
What about the stuff that hits the fan?
 
3:33 PM
Let's talk more php (and stuff) and less weapons pls.
 
@rdlowrey started it.
 
@JoeWatkins lol
 
I'm just saying "peace, love, sex, drugs".
 
in that order?
 
/me tips hat ...
 
3:34 PM
Not necessarily!
 
so i've made php-uv compile properly, but unfortunately i tore out his beloved http parser heh
 
@webarto peace -> drugs -> sex -> love -> drugs -> violence
 
maybe tomorrow :)
 
so, guys
I want to get into php-src dev
where to start?
 
@DanLugg more like peace -> php -> violence heh
 
3:36 PM
is there any "newbie-friendly" issues?
 
@Ja͢ck Word.
 
@Ja͢ck peace -> internals -> war
 
@DanLugg apocalypse
 
@FlorianMargaine issues?
 
@FlorianMargaine First spend a long time around a large volume of Mercury to ensure you are suitably insane
 
@FlorianMargaine How comfortable are you in C?
 
there probably, with a subject you are interested in ... and pretty good C fu ...
 
hey guys....a simple question...what does the cost means in this peace of code:
$options = [
'cost' => 12,
];
echo password_hash("rasmuslerdorf", PASSWORD_BCRYPT, $options)."\n";
 
So, it seems like BDD is redundant, if you're unit testing, right?
 
@Japa The number of iterations the hash goes through
 
3:38 PM
I'm back in the mad house
 
@Japa it means how much you have to pay @ircmaxell to hash a password :D
 
12 means that the password will be hashed 2^12 = 4096 times
 
@Japa basically how slow it is
 
lol
 
@Japa It's defined in the manual page
 
3:38 PM
@ircmaxell you should have written "tonyferrari" instead of "rasmuslerdorf".
 
The slower the better genrrally
 
The idea is to slow the hash so that brute force is not possible.
 
ok...understood....another question is...is this the best way to hash a password?
 
@Ja͢ck I wanted to write that :P
 
the most bestest.
 
3:38 PM
yes
 
yes
 
yes
 
lolololololol
 
3:39 PM
@Ja͢ck I think you mean "yes"
 
yes
dammit
 
@FlorianMargaine phpinternalsbook.com + devzone.zend.com/303/… and I'd maybe recommend finding a bug in an extension and trying to fix that, rather than face the behemoth that is core PHP.
 
@AndreaFaulds C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
 

Ya blew it, Andrea.

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;-)
 
3:40 PM
@DanLugg Awesome.
 
Guys.. Anyone remembers that awesome linux command that reads a file as it gets new lines? I completly forgot :|
 
hi.
 
Can I get upvotes on this please?
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Levi MorrisonOn a Mac you can't seem to move non-consecutive messages to another room because the required command is Ctrl + click. Ctrl + click is not passed through to the browser because it emulates a right-click on a Mac. A ⌘ + click simply selects the new message (it does not retain previous selections)...

 
morning @NikiC
 
3:40 PM
@MoshMage tail
More specifically tail -f
 
@AndreaFaulds THANK YOU
 
np :)
Good morning Nikita :)
 
@rdlowrey Could you tag an 0.8.0 version of Artax please? The current version seems to work fine for my (very small) use-case, and I'd prefer not to be requiring dev-master.
 
@AndreaFaulds Don't worry, it's not the worst combo breaker...

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haha
 
3:42 PM
haha
 
haha
 
andreas-air:src ajf$ php test.php
PHP Fatal error: Class 'SqlQueue' not found in /Users/ajf/Projects/2014/GGON/GGON/src/Parser.php on line 27
aaaaa
 
guys is call_user_func(function(){//something}); still the only way for iifes? did php 5.5 come with proper iife support?
 
@AwalGarg Currently? Yes.
 
iife?
 
3:45 PM
Immediately Invoked Function Expression -aka- Immediately Invoked Anonymous Function
 
@AndreaFaulds sQlqueue != sPlqueue
 
@DanLugg any idea when JS like iife syntax is coming to PHP?
 
(AKA PHP "7")
 
@DanLugg thanks :)
 
3:46 PM
@Danack Aha! Thank you
 
wow that Nikita Popov guy has a lot of good RFCs... nice.
 
@AwalGarg That RFC also Fixes All The Things™
Yes. Yes he does.
 
Yep
Wunderkind
 
Now that Andrea hangs out here I can say with confidence that Room 11 is the best place to be for Internals development :D
 
The best of the best, Sir!
 
3:48 PM
It's better than #php.pecl on EFNet...
 
@AndreaFaulds np. I found that the other day "As of PHP 5.3.0 this extension can no longer be disabled and is therefore always available."
When someone claimed that they'd found a bug when it was disabled....in php5.4
 
@AndreaFaulds It's much better considering that I never lose history in this room ^_^
 
@LeviMorrison quite comfortable
@Ja͢ck yeah, bugs. Some projects classify some bugs as "newbie-friendly", i.e. easy to get into
 
@LeviMorrison It's funny to read that abbreviation phonetically: ackafffp
 
@Danack thanks, will see
 
3:50 PM
@FlorianMargaine ah, you have read the internals book already?
 
Yeah, StackOverflow chat is better than IRC in my book.
 
WebSuckets
 
@FlorianMargaine PHP Internals discourages new contributors, haven't you heard? :D
The best way is to fix bugs, honestly. It's boring and difficult.
 
You can quickly edit and pretend no one saw it.
 
@LeviMorrison Then how do you explain the ** operator? :D
 
3:51 PM
@Ja͢ck Ooh, good point. Even if you're online...
I've fixed PHP bugs before
Relative schemes work in parse_url thanks to yours truly.
 
I don't like fixing bugs, I only like introducing them heh
Sometimes both.
 
By the way, Andrea, I highly recommend running decisions about RFCs through the group here before doing them. With people like ircmaxell and nikic hanging out here the reasons should be obvious.
 
@AndreaFaulds XOR works in php.ini ... which no one ever used except me. (by accident)
 
@LeviMorrison Good idea. I do sometimes bring things up on IRC
 
Egypt calls on US authorities to show restraint against protesters in #Ferguson http://bbc.in/1uS3tSd http://t.co/BDSwDATZD1
 
3:55 PM
@AndreaFaulds Which is good - and I might be biased - but this room is better :D
 
You're right, totally biased ... it's still better, though heh
 
@ircmaxell something something grammar meme
 
here we have AVATARS
 
and history
 
So we can see everyone's real faces! I must admit, I was surprised that @LeviMorrison was a cat and that @Ja͢ck was an anime character, but on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog...
 
3:58 PM
@AndreaFaulds I'm actually a head in a jar.
 
@AndreaFaulds My wife picked that avatar for me when we were first married and I have stuck to it since.
 
But we all know @Lusitanian's mom.
@rdlowrey ^ Are you proud?
 
Yeah, she's an icon.
 

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