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11:00 AM
No need to handle cookies. Just eat them as they are.
 
@Ja͢ck that'll stabilize in a few weeks…
 
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A: Including conditional syntax in PHP based on PHP version

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for fuck sake
 
@tereško hm.. KolinK company? :-p
 
What's 1e+48 in a real number format?
 
11:12 AM
@SecondRikudo lol.. If the prank goes wrong.. You might take a beatdown.. End up in jail.. Get a glory hole.. And you have absolutly no regrets :D
 
@Fabien 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
 
Danka
 
i am learning phpunit framework , Could you please tell where should i store test data . Lets say i have function which accept username and password , return true or false depending on user existance . Where should i store list of username and passwords i.e test data
 
Ah 48 0's gotcha
 
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Q: Convert float to plain string representation

Alma DoSO, The problem My question is about trivial thing: how to convert numeric string to it's plain ("native") representation. That means: if numeric string is already in plain view, leave it as it is, but if it is in scientific notation, convert it. Sample: "3" --> "3" "1.5" -->...

:-D
 
11:14 AM
@PeeHaa What's the math behind md5 + sha1 giving us 10^48?
 
@bwoebi =D
 
welll .. back to my cookie problem
the question is this
 
@Jack forget casting, I solved it ... ish...
 
oh sha1 is 10^48
 
when dealing with Response instance in the view, should I write $response->addCookie($params) OR $cookie = $this->cookieBuilder($params); $response->addCookie($cookie);
 
11:23 AM
I'd go with the 2nd
 
If it was an isolated structure, I would prefer the second approach BUT , view would already contain $this->templateBuilder and $this->presentationObjectFactory
 
in the 1st case composition is weird, you're passing an array and not a real object
 
I am not sure if it is a smart idea to add additional dependency for a View
 
@tereško your doubt is because second looks like.. what? Overcomplicated?
 
it will look overcomplicated in real-world situation
 
11:25 AM
shouldn't cookie handling be in the controller anyway?
 
@FlorianMargaine why? How would a controller know that it needs to set some value to the cookie? How will it know to which domain it has to be set? Would you set other HTTP headers in c ontroller too?
 
gut feeling, sorry
yeah disregard what I said
 
@JoeWatkins yeah, i actually had some questions about that heh
i was wondering what exactly was considered intern ... php_ustring_t or UnicodeString lol
 
I guess I will have to go with second approach =/
 
not worth the effort I don't think ... if you want to work with zval there is api, and I added php_ustring_value to fetch UnicodeString pointer for external use ... this should be enough ...
 
11:27 AM
let's hope it doesn't end up looking like clusterfuck when it's confronted with reality
 
^ in the end, it will always end in such way
 
.. it shouldn't
 
yep. but.. it will
 
@tereško What's $params?
 
@Fabien sha1 is fast :)
 
11:30 AM
[
    'name' => ...
    'value' => ...
    'expires'   => ...,
    'path'      => ...,
    'domain'    => ...,
    'secure'    => ...,
    'httpOnly'  => ...,
]
actually the footprint should be $this->cookieBuilder->create($name, $value, $options)
 
Any particular reason your $param is not ... an object?
where does that thingie come from?
 
@tereško Unless you're intending to use the Cookie object in the Request as well, there's no point in having the Cookie abstraction.
 
@Ja͢ck the discussion was about the place where it becomes an object
 
ahh
 
@SecondRikudo I am using it in Request
 
11:32 AM
a dedicated builder would be the way i guess.
 
In that case, $response->addCookie($cookie) sounds more sane to me.
$response shouldn't care where the cookies come from.
 
@Patrick I already have a builder. The issue was whether builder should be inside Response or View instance
so , basically, everyone agrees
 
I went with $response->addCookie($cookie) too github.com/PatrickLouys/http/blob/master/src/Response.php
 
Assuming $response is always HTTP response, then yes :)
 
11:35 AM
if you need a cookie, add the builder as a view dependency
 
o.0
 
@JoeWatkins (sorry for bugging you yet again) I have a method that accepts an optional boolean argument. The default value for this argument is taken from a property of the object. Obviously the object is not cleanly available before zpp, so the default value for the receiving zend_bool cannot be assigned sensibly before zpp. Does it make sense to set the default value to 2 and use arg == 2 to determine whether to use the prop value?
 
@Patrick it's really similar to what I have, except the redirect() is an abstraction of a HTTP Location headers ... that method is at the wrong layer
 
I mean, it makes sense, but is it safe to rely on a passed bool val always being 1 or 0?
 
@tereško did you look at the implementation? it is only a convenience method to set the appropriate headers for a redirect, it doesn't have any side effects
 
11:38 AM
@DaveRandom Why not just check for NUM_ARGS()?
 
or do you mean it should still not be there?
 
@Patrick there is nothing wrong with having that method. What I am saying is that it is in the wrong class. It should be in something that utilizes your HttpResponse instance
 
booleans with a value of 2 is so end-of-the-world'ish.
 
@Ja͢ck Oh yeh, duhhhh :-P
 
@tereško which would be my views, but they are all standalone classes with their own dependencies
 
11:40 AM
@JoeWatkins Y U have '...' for most of your commit messages? :)
 
hmm ..
 
@Ja͢ck wait, for a method, is NUM_ARGS +1 because of the thisarg?
Or does ZEND_NUM_ARGS() always represent the actual number of userland args passed to the call?
That would get tricky in mysqli-style crossover APIs...
 
@DaveRandom that, surely.
 
It's not that clear cut in terms of what the sensible thing to do would be
 
The sensible thing is that the number of parameters is what was passed to the function as seen from user land.
I think ... let me verify that
 
11:47 AM
@Ja͢ck Yeh but what if I pass null to an "O!"? Does that count towards it? I mean, to all intents and purposes I didn't actually pass an argument...
The thing is, @Ja͢ck that the zpp string in question is "Os|O!b" - and that first O is the thisarg. So in the context of zpp it counts as an arg.
 
@DaveRandom ZPP or ZPMP ?
 
zpmp, sorry
but that isn't going to affect the value of NUM_ARGS
(although I guess it may handle the value differently)
 
When I say 'stuff like Doctrine' then I'm meaning obviously its used pattern with their way to implement it. Thinking I want to compare a design pattern only with a 'library' is a bit weird. Since when? Its logical: The more you split up the more complicated it becomes for endusers, also to understand the whole picture. There is a threshold where SRP makes things worse and more complicated as it needs to be and this threshold is subjective. Most people like it simple, not over-complicated just to follow one of those principles blindly. Don't get me wrong, I like SRP, but it has limits. — MArc 14 mins ago
It's about "glory of active record".
 
@tereško Java servlets has a sendRedirect method on the Response too by the way. I don't understand why you think it is wrong to have it there. Does it violate any of the SOLID principles or something else?
 
in joomla 3.0, how to use $template_path? when i var_dump($template_path) i am getting null
 
11:52 AM
@Patrick nope, it doesn't looks like it violates anything
thing is that this method contains behavior that is kinda based on top of the primary functions of that class
 
@tereško it's an author of propel... what do you expect...
 
.. oh ... lol
 
@Patrick Because a redirect is something you do with an HTTP response, it's not a property/function of the response. I'm inclined to agree with @tereško here. The Response represents the message, not the meaning of the message.
 
yeah , my issue is of a semantic nature
then again, I am not entirely sure how to do it better
 
^ I am agree
It feels like it's in the wrong place, not sure what the right place would be though
 
11:56 AM
@DaveRandom ZEND_NUM_ARGS() is independent of this ptr.
I just tested it lol
 
OK cool tnx, was just writing a test myself :-P
 
Hurray for sensible decisions
 
s/Hurray for/Shocked by the discovery of/
 
hehe
 
i am learning phpunit framework , Could you please tell where should i store test data . Lets say i have function which accept username and password , return true or false depending on user existance . Where should i store list of username and passwords i.e test data
 
11:58 AM
config file?
 
This is the problem with separating out multiple copies of your manual, you really need to set noindex nofollow on the not-current versions otherwise Google takes you to old docs :-(
MySQL is particularly bad for this
 
@Ja͢ck because not writing a story ... they are just "more of whatever I last said" or "not important enough to write about"
@DaveRandom property of an object passed in ?
 
I see. I'll keep an eye on your repo in case you come up with a good solution.
Random question: do you pay for scrutinizer or is there a way to get that for free?
 
@Patrick public repos get it for free
 
@JoeWatkins No, property of the thisArg
 
12:02 PM
@JoeWatkins hehe no worries
 
don't need zpp for this
 
hmm font resize fail
 
@JoeWatkins I know but it seems kind of dirty? @Ja͢ck suggested using ZEND_NUM_ARGS() instead, which seems like a cleaner alernative
@Ja͢ck Yeh memegenerator has been fucking up that one for a while now
 
yeah that's pretty common
 
kk cool, going with that for now
 
12:07 PM
@JoeWatkins Just felt I had to contribute something, so I wrote a super cool .gitignore for you :)
It's missing a few obvious entries though
But if I did everything perfect in the first commit I wouldn't have anything else to do.
Is there anything in functionality that needs immediate attention?
 
@ThW can you provide a quick test script that shows the differences between registerNodeNS values in XPath please?
 
ThW
In the Bug-Report
 
Oh right, thanks
 
ThW
I have a bunch of other testcases in the FluentDOM unit tests, too.
I could convert them to phpt I think.
 
@Ja͢ck no, I meant what I wrote...
 
12:18 PM
@DaveRandom Casual exceptions may be the best idea evar!
 
@ircmaxell oh okay, thnx .. that makes sense now :)
the "at one point in time." had me confused for a bit
Why does this project use 'phpunit' when all the test cases are '.phpt' files? o.0
 
@Ja͢ck Why not? PHPUnit uses .phpt files itself github.com/sebastianbergmann/phpunit/tree/master/tests/…
 
@Jack the integration of utext I think ...
 
@cspray because there's simply 'make test'? :)
 
ThW
12:24 PM
@DaveRandom my hero :-)
 
Yea, I guess if all the tests were .phpt
 
@JoeWatkins hmm, how is utext different from unicode string? (derp)
 
user895378
@Ja͢ck thanks :)
 
user895378
morning
 
morning!
 
12:25 PM
mornig
 
user895378
@DaveRandom I don't really see how they're any different from blocking streams. The only difference is read()/write() return immediately so you may have to call them multiple times to send/recv all the data
 
Dammit forgot to commit the forward decl
 
ThW
@DaveRandom does if (ZEND_NUM_ARGS() < 3) { work if NULL is passed as the last argument?
 
null is cast to false, no?
 
@ThW No, it's a bool arg, NULL will be converted to FALSE, but the arg was passed
 
12:27 PM
icu uses UTF-16 internal representation by default, and converts when requested in another codepage
 
kay
 
@ThW you would rather have NULL mean "default value from property" in this case?
 
ThW
That's what I implemented.
 
Why not just leave off the last arg?
 
Hmmm
That does have BC implications though
 
ThW
12:29 PM
Inheritance
 
@Ja͢ck Patching something that already exists
 
hmm, not sure i follow.
 
Good morning
 
what already exists?
 
Oh I see sorry, I thought you meant don't have a last arg in the function signature, you mean how it's being called
 
12:30 PM
Yeah, sorry
 
ThW
function evaluate($expression, $context = NULL, $registerNodeNS = NULL) { parent::evaluate($expression, $context, $registerNodeNS); ...
 
Problem is that NULL -> get default value is technically a BC break, albeit a tiny tiny one that will affect nobody
But it will affect the chances of it getting into 5.6
 
ThW
yeah, let it be - I can check for it in the child class
 
This is why defaulting everything to NULL sucks, PHP needs some other way to distinguish between the implicit and explicit absence of a value :-(
 
@JoeWatkins okay, but rather how do you wish to support UText? as another class?
 
ThW
12:33 PM
In the long run, it would be better to remove the argument completely. It is a really bad workaround.
 
no, or not really ...
I'm actually not sure of the best way to do it ... but ideally we don't want the programmer to have to care about the difference ...
 
@ThW Agreed. Have you ever actually used the trinary state of your implementation?
 
ThW
The argument is only here for compatiblity
 
@JoeWatkins I think I'm a bit more clueless than you think I am hehe ... how should we support UText?
 
ThW
in FD
I NEVER use it.
But this way you can drop in a FluentDOM\Xpath for any DOMXpath without changing the evaluate()/query() calls.
 
12:36 PM
the UnicodeString* member be turned into a union of UnicodeString* and UText*, when UTF-8 is selected as codepage use UText utf8 api (see unicode/utext.h), so rather than new UnicodeString we utext_openUTF8 ... it's only utf-8 that requires the special treatment I think ...
 
Ohhhh @ThW I just realised, you have an inheritance signature problem, that's why you even put it there, you even said that, I guess I'm a bit slow today :-P
I think your null default is really just an implementation detail of working around that limitation of the engine, it doesn't need to be emulated here
 
@JoeWatkins okay, that's a feature with hairs heh
 
many hairs ...
 
what would be the best way to refactor this to reduce complexity? scrutinizer-ci.com/g/PatrickLouys/http/code-structure/master/…
 
@rdlowrey thoughts on m6w6 wanting to bring pecl_http v2 into core?
 
ThW
12:39 PM
@DaveRandom btw I do have another really BAD bug in DOM
 
@rdlowrey I'm just struggling to work out how all this will play with a libuv back-end
 
@Patrick you should url encode the cookie value
 
@Patrick to being with if ($this->maxAge !== null) { this can go in a separate method
 
@ThW Is it in ext/dom or in libxml?
A good few of the things that annoy me about DOM are actually libxml bugs
 
user895378
@DaveRandom Well I don't think the pecl/http client stuff should be part of core as it depends largely on cURL.
 
user895378
12:41 PM
And I think for pecl/http to be actually useful it needs an incremental message parser.
 
user895378
It doesn't do any of the things I need to actually make it useful.
 
@Patrick also, why are you assuming that server is set to GMT ?
 
we'd just need to port Artax to C and bundle it instead ;-D
 
ThW
@DaveRandom ext/dom I think eval.in/private/c9a156967f3284
 
12:42 PM
Might be an idea if you gently step in on that thread, I'm not sure I'm qualified as I haven't played with v2 enough
 
user895378
I haven't played with v2 at all TBH. Maybe he's added stuff.
 
user895378
Does it have a cookie parser yet?
 
@tereško @Ja͢ck good points, thanks. going on my todo list
 
user895378
I need a couple things ...
 
user895378
cookie parsing
 
user895378
12:43 PM
incremental message parsing
 
@rdlowrey not so much. More restructuring of v1.
 
user895378
mime parsing
 
@rdlowrey CRAP I SAID! ;-) dunno, only played with v1
 
user895378
V1 had none of those things which makes it useless
 
user895378
And artax will still smash the perf of curl_* or the pecl http client because non-blocking parallel
 
12:44 PM
@ThW Huh, weird. Not even sure which one is the right behaviour there (I generally get a text node and use ->data).
 
I wanted to use pecl/http to upload a file using an input stream ... wasn't possible in v1.
 
user895378
So pardon me if I say it holds little-to-no value to me
 
ThW
here is a more complete example eval.in/private/315bca6fa494c6
 
user895378
I just haven't had time to formalize the parsing functionality I need for m6w6 as a reference
 
user895378
I just think moving pecl/http into core is a mistake at this time because anything like that needs to be aware of non-blocking IO
 
ThW
12:47 PM
@DaveRandom I would expect it to be handled as text, the alternative would be to parse it as xml fragment. But I don't think that would make sense
 
user895378
It's like buying a 2014 model car the day before the 2015 model is released
 
Yay! May the AST stomp unopposed into PHP!
 
@rdlowrey Know that feeling bro.
 
@rdlowrey ...or deal with protocol entities only and not try to be an endpoint
 
user895378
@DaveRandom this
 
user895378
12:48 PM
Specifically this.
 
user895378
I think it should only deal with the protocol
 
user895378
And I think the http stream wrapper client functionality should be removed entirely
 
pecl/http_but_does_all_the_things ?
 
@rdlowrey Defer non-blocking IO implementations to libuv?
 
user895378
@DaveRandom I don't know how to say this nicely on the list
 
12:49 PM
@rdlowrey The precise reason I haven't replied yet
 
user895378
Because maintaining a client is exceedingly non-trivial and if you're just going to pull in libcurl then you aren't doing anything new/useful anyway
 
It was announced today as an RFC, process dictates 2 weeks before vote
 
@rdlowrey You now have two weeks ... tic toc :)
 
@ThW inclined to agree, otherwise you are getting into innerHTML territory
 
ThW
@DaveRandom exactly
 
user895378
12:52 PM
HttpRequest::addPostFields()
HttpRequest::addPostFile()
HttpRequest::addPutData()
 
user895378
^ API sadness
 
user895378
That sucks.
 
@rdlowrey You ought to write that to the internals list as soon as possible, to stop the proposal from gaining momentum.
 
lol
 
ThW
@DaveRandom Here is a bug report for createElement() bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=39521
 
user895378
12:53 PM
I just don't think pecl http adds value in its current form
 
user895378
But there's no way for me to say that without coming off like an ass
 
^ Perfect, send it!
 
user895378
And it would necessitate the addition of several new dependencies in core
 
erm ....
 
@rdlowrey Focus more on the async stuff then, but it does need saying.
 
user895378
12:55 PM
http_send_content_type()
 
@rdlowrey Maybe talk to m6w6 in irc? You can get away with being an ass a bit more in there, and it's easier to explain yourself quickly enough for people not to get all arsey about it
 
user895378
^ So you mean, like, header()
 
somebody stop this ... obviously ...
 
@ThW cool, will look at it shortly
 
user895378
I just have way too many problems with the current http extension and it doesn't do any of the things I actually need.
 
user895378
12:56 PM
And I spend more time dealing with HTTP in php than anyone
 
ThW
@DaveRandom Not sure how, but it seems to affect a lot of functions (including simplexml)
 
@ThW Sounds like a libxml problem then...
brb food
 
The dependencies are just rather atrocious .. libcurl, propro, raphf .. dafuq
 
johannes made some good points ... this doesn't seem like a good idea ...
I doubt anybody is going to volunteer to do the work, there's nothing to gain from abandoning it in ext/
that's what is really happening I think ...
 
@JoeWatkins Hmm, why does UTF-8 need special treatment anyway? Isn't UnicodeString made to be able to convert between several encodings?
 
1:03 PM
it is yeah, but there are dedicated utf8 apis that are faster, or ways to configure icu (build time I think) to choose to shortcircuit the need to convert by using utf-8 as default ...
 
Is there a macro to just create an empty zval?
 
MAKE_STD_ZVAL() ?
 
Yes that
knew I'd done it before
tnx
 
np~
 
java uses UTF-16, it basically does what UString is doing ...
nobody complains ...
 
1:06 PM
:D
 
I don't really think its worth worrying about, but pierre keeps mentioning it ...
I like simple ...
 
If it doubles the effort to get all methods to work for both ... it must be REALLY important.
 
more than that ... utext isn't a good api
UnicodeString is ...
 
yeah, it's nice
though i get irritated by overloaded methods heh
 
I don't, imagine the kind of names we'd be seeing if it weren't supported ... UnicodeString::compareWithSomethingAndSomethingElseMaybe
 
1:10 PM
Maybe it's the documentation formatting then ;-)
 
I read the header
because can't be out of date ... and useful stuff written everywhere ...
 
true
 
guess docs were generated ... from some version ... at some point ... :)
 
Yo, back
 
Devs forgive me, I just bought a mac
 
1:14 PM
@Jimbo NO
 
@Jimbo One of us! One of us! One of us!
 
@Jimbo what did you get?
 
morning @ircmaxell
 
So... casual exceptions. throw new UnnecessaryException
@Ja͢ck A horrible disease apparently, called OSX-itis.
 
@DanLugg My iMac gives you the friendly finger :)
 
1:18 PM
@ircmaxell We ended up reducing the hashes/bits for our bloom filter and using redis keys more effectively to allow smaller stores for us. Still big! but a lot better.
 
@Jimbo Which one exactly?
 
ok, if you say so :-)
 
lol
 
Haha!
 
1:20 PM
it does look like a trash bin doesn't it?
 
look?
 
har har
 
@ircmaxell :-D
If I come into some ridiculous amount of money, I will buy one, solely for use as an ashtray.
And hopefully that'd be my only frivolous purchase.
 
Or, buy the casing only :P
 
You can probably get the casing done in China :)
 
1:23 PM
The casing would probably still cost $500
 
Not sure. But if you're going to use it exclusively for cigarette disposal purposes ... :)
 
Again, ridiculous amount of money; I'd buy a whole rig.
I have an apple fan-boy friend, he'd surely appreciate it.
 
He'll be delighted, delit .. no, whatever.
 
The same friend who decided he'd offer his trouble-shooting services locally for apple products. He operated briefly as the "Friendly Apple Geek", until he abbreviated it for business cards.
 
haha
 
1:27 PM
I know of that one! :D
 
I lol'd.
Nov 1 '13 at 17:32, by Dan Lugg
@webarto lol, a guy (mega Apple fanboy) I know does Apple support on the side; repairs iPhones, buys/fixes/sells off Kijiji, etc. Anyway, he wanted to make more of it than a hobby, so he started referring to himself as the local "Friendly Apple Geek". He was in the process of putting together business cards when he realized the acronym.
 
Memory, I has it!
 
@Jimbo has gone very quiet ...
 
He's a FAG now...
 
Now? @see Cactus, Ass
 
1:31 PM
some people really piss me off ...
 
The magic Guzzle word has been uttered in the discussion about HTTP abstraction ;-)
 
@JoeWatkins Wha'happend?
 
Reading Pierre hearts my brein...
 
@rdlowrey Relevant PHP RFC: wiki.php.net/rfc/pecl_http
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison yeah ...
 
1:34 PM
@webarto Yeah, Pierre's statements are like a box of chocolates ... you don't know whether they're going to make sense.
 
Arguably still better than Yasuo though.
AST RFC voting goes well, it does.
 
@rdlowrey The man himself is lurking here, you know (in my avatar list at least). I think it would be a good idea to try and strike up a dialogue on this sooner rather than later, it's not like you are actually being a dick, and neither is it like it's a useless addition, it just needs augmentation to be useful (and preferably decoupling from cURL), which could be done without too much difficulty
 
user895378
@DaveRandom yeah we've been talking in #php.pecl the last few minutes
 
user895378
@Ja͢ck lol, I don't think that comparison should even be formulated
 
1:38 PM
@rdlowrey the comparison should yield null?
 
under discussion implies that we are going to vote on the details of the rfc, it's not in draft ... and there are no details ... I don't see what's going on here ...
 
@JoeWatkins Yeah, well, it can't go into voting unless the open issues are resolved.
And one of the open issues is that it's not php "7" compatible.
 
but they are the kind of issues that make it not worth discussion ... there are no attempted solutions to any of those problems, none attempted and none really suggested ...
 
true
if there's code, it should be ready for merge as is, into master.
 
:-D
 
1:45 PM
@JoeWatkins ooh, you've made the whole UString interface immutable? heh
 
yeah
 
Someone just complained that default value of $encoding parameter changed in 5.4 (while upgrading from 5.3 to 5.5)
 
$encoding?
 
yeah, htmlentities.
 
Are they from America?
 
1:48 PM
oh, that ...
 
So, need thoughts on where to spend a weekend in Europe in October...
 
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Q: Why does PDO print my password when the connection fails?

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haha, silly rabbit.
 
user895378
I really enjoyed Ireland
 
@rdlowrey He said Europe
/me runs
 
user895378
lol
 
1:52 PM
thinking Scotland, but worry about the rain
 
@ircmaxell Macedonia
 
user895378
@DaveRandom How interested would you be in working with me to address the issues we have with pecl http so we could finally have the functionality we need in core?
 
@rdlowrey but still based off of pecl/http?
 
You don't have to take any pics, just bucket fill pixels with gray and upload.
 
@tereško yeah?
 
1:53 PM
@tereško Macedonia as in Greece or FYROM?
 
FYROM
 
user895378
@Ja͢ck yeah, I mean use that as a starting point and work with Mike to eliminate the issues and make sure it has everything we need
 
sounds like a plan :D
how are we to eliminate the dep issues, though?
 
@rdlowrey Totally on board, only issue is time but I can try and prioritise it a bit
 
user895378
@DaveRandom yeah same for me. But we're looking at this as something for PHP7
 
user895378
1:58 PM
So hopefully I could carve out enough time over that period
 
you can do precisely nothing ...
 
@ircmaxell thing is that october in northern europe is pretty much shit: leafless trees, rain and cold.
 
it's not mid-turn (where the leaves are turning)?
 

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