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5:01 PM
How you represent application state (visually) != application state
 
heh, hence "slippery"
 
yeah, yet another reason this pattern sucks
 
@rdlowrey I have created a new csr using that site, but now when I go to the party where I get my certificates and where I have to add some info I can only choose between sha1 and sha2. Is that correct?
 
In web implementations that I've done, views have a controller of sorts. If a view is going to change a state that is internal to the view, it interacts with that view controller rather than an actual Controller. Another use case is "redraw" -- the view is just updating itself with no changes. If I mapped that structure, I would put the "view controller" as still being a part of the view layer.
 
Should ACL run before the execution even reach the controller?
 
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5:03 PM
@PeeHaa The certificate authority should let you submit your own CSR (what you just created). If they don't, it's a problem. Because you need the private key to create the CSR and if the CA generates the CSR for you it means they know your private key.
 
I added my own csr, but in the next step I get this question. Moment let me make screenies
 
@ChrisBaker 1) Cache-Control:"private, max-age=86400;" Connection:"Keep-Alive" Content-Encoding:"gzip" Content-Length:"393" Content-Type:"text/css;;charset=UTF-8" Date:"Fri, 21 Nov 2014 17:00:50 GMT" Expires:"Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:00:00 GMT" Keep-Alive:"timeout=5, max=99" Last-Modified:"Tue, 15 Nov 1994 12:45:26 GMT;" Server:"Apache" Vary:"Accept-Encoding" X-Frame-Options:"SAMEORIGIN"
@ChrisBaker 2) I just added them.
 
another note: are sure it is good idea to refer to parts of mvc triad as "objects" ?
 
user895378
@PeeHaa Oh, sorry, I got confused. You mean you're choosing the signing algo they use.
 
5:05 PM
(I have no right answer here)
 
user895378
@PeeHaa Just choose sha-2 (that's what sha-256 is)
 
@ChrisBaker 3) access logs, and firefox inspect element.
 
@rdlowrey yes
 
user895378
Just make sure you don't choose sha1 because then you'll have the same problem you have now :)
 
@BenBeri what do you mean with running ACL? I like adding a permission that is required to some routes. That gets run before a "controller". But if I need finer grained permissions, I'll add the authenticator as a dependency where it's needed.
 
5:06 PM
@rdlowrey It doesn't matter my key is sha512?
 
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@PeeHaa no, these things are unrelated.
 
posted on November 21, 2014 by kbironneau

/* by DavePilks */

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all this stuff keep confusing me and I would totally chasing my own tail if @rdlowrey wasn't here :)
 
@tereško I'll change it up to no longer reference them in singular
 
Good thing he doesn't charge.
 
5:07 PM
@Patrick basically you have a route to delete a user for example, that requires specific group privileges right
 
@Fabor ssssshh he might get ideas
 
user895378
@PeeHaa glad I can help. IMO this is a failure by our industry. Developers shouldn't need to know anything about these details to be secure :/
 
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It would be nice if software like nginx and apache hid most of these details.
 
@BenBeri yes
 
@ChrisBaker I hate this kind of cache stuff...!
 
5:09 PM
@ircmaxell Good read, thanks :)
@HelpingHand Ya... me too. Try putting that Cache-Control header to public? Otherwise, I can't tell you what else to try if it isn't working. What you've got there is all I do and it seems to work out. The browser tools might not be giving you an accurate representation, but the server access logs would. Try it in a different browser, just to see what happens there.
 
New certificate requested. Waiting for "validation" mail \o/
 
@tereško where was that "solid is dead video"? do you have a quick link?
 
tnx mr @rdlowrey
 
gimme a second
 
I changed the ending a bit, but 7414445313853167451_8211ed460cb8898cc0459832f6d341d32dc18989.bl… <-- goes live in 15 minutes
 
5:17 PM
Brace yourselves, "Check out my new SoC Framework in Laravel" is coming. I'd actually be more okay with this than MVC :P
 
@ircmaxell how come there's already a comment?
 
it's a bug
it's a comment on the preview link, not on the actual post
 
@Fabor wanna bet? They will never call it "SoC framework"
 
If SoC becomes the latest cargo cult, there's a new job opening in "poorly understood theory tag". teresko's got MVC on lock.
 
5:19 PM
had a talk with Remi Collet (he's french), he's a nice guy
 
nice
never met him
 
oh
not IRL, on irc I mean
 
I take it you knew him (ish) before finding out about his php repo the other day?
 
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@FlorianMargaine Remi has always been friendly when I've spoken with him (online only)
 
@ircmaxell I feel it's gonna be interesting! Thanks for sharing
 
5:21 PM
:-)
 
@Fabor he has a php repo?
 
@ChrisBaker the name would make no difference because as always, they name the framework after the part which is not provided by the framework
 
user895378
And his rhel/centos/fedora repos have been awesome for forever.
 
yeah, I learned about that
it's why he was recruited by red hat, apparently. So that he can maintain these repos full-time
 
@FlorianMargaine Here
 
5:22 PM
@Fabor ah...
 
anyway, time to go home
 
I only compile php manually on my fedora machine...
you know... my php-src dev machine :P
versions always change
 
"n-Tier SoC SOLID framework" would be a series of functions in different files that call one another by name. Over 20,000 includes.
 
@ChrisBaker Do you echo the CSS file with php?
 
@HelpingHand Yes, I have a project that passes a list of css files by aliases to a script. The script gathers up the specified css, writes them together into a file, then serves it up. It has a long cache life on those aggregated files, works using only the Cache-Control header
 
@ChrisBaker do users still go to it as a .php file or a .css file? I'm wondering if that's the problem on my end...
 
@HelpingHand .php
@ircmaxell It might be cheesy, but I like the old-school effect there :)
 
my eyes hurt
 
@ChrisBaker UGH...
 
@ircmaxell Hehe, it does get old pretty quick
 
5:29 PM
@tereško Depends if it's a single-page web app ;)
 
Anyone remember Ninjai? Animated series from back around 2005. Wonder if it'll ever come finish :(
 
posted on November 21, 2014 by Anthony Ferrara

There are a bunch of guides out there that claim to be a guide to MVC. It's almost like writing your own framework in that it's "one of those things" that everyone does. I realized that I never wrote my "beginners guide to MVC". So I've decided to do exactly that. Here's my "beginners guide to MVC for the web": Read more »

 
Hi there, have a date column in my DB in this format "20141121" , i want to query my column and have the resulting date in this format "21/11/2014" via mysql . Is it possible ?
I know its not a php question but generally all php experts know mysql very well
 
@ircmaxell well, this should go on the pinned message I guess :)
 
5:37 PM
:-)
 
:-)
 
guys , anyone ?
...
 
@ThW i cannot use those unfortunately because my column is of type var char and not Date
 
5:46 PM
@Joseph There's your problem
 
@Joseph Bingo
 
Is there a way to make the + operator work with objects? In c# you can define a method to handle different operators.
 
How big is the table?
 
@Fuser97381 Nope
 
ThW
@Joseph it should work with a string - but here is a cast function, too dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/…
 
5:48 PM
@Fuser97381 yes, in C# and C++ you can define a method, but most coding standards prohibit you from doing so for clarity and sanity reasons. So it's something that's cool to be able to do, but not something you should ever do
 
Programming isn't about sanity or clarity it's about getting results.
 
ummm
 
@Fuser97381 Are you a monkey or a cowboy?
 
Any sufficiently mature team will disagree with you there. The end goal of software development is a maintainable and stable project. Not just a working one.
 
If I write a class that models a mathematical concept that allows some form of addition. I shouldn't have to have an ugly .add method when you can make the operation actually work.
 
5:50 PM
@ircmaxell This is very subjective.
 
Anyways, thanks for your help, luminaries.
 
If the coding standard disallows operator overloading on principle, it's a stupid standard.
 
@NikiC ummmm
> Do not overload operators except in rare, special circumstances. Do not create user-defined literals.
 
Like, if you gave me a C++ library for large number arithmetic or linalg and it didn't use operator overloading, I'd laugh at you.
@ircmaxell See, it allows it alright.
 
Those are some pretty fuckin' good arguments that google raises there.
But I am pretty distrustful of google.
 
5:53 PM
@ircmaxell misses the relationship between U and M
 
@ThW i proceeded like so CONCAT(SUBSTRING(DateParc,7,2),"/",SUBSTRING(DateParc,5,2),"/",SUBSTRING(DatePar‌​c,1,4))
 
@AndreaFaulds in that case you would actually have two triads: on on the frontend and on on the backend
 
@ThW thanks anyway :)
 
or at least something in that style
 
@Gordon which would that be?
 
5:54 PM
Is PHP 7 going to have operator overloading?
 
@Fuser97381 no
 
Jesus.
 
@NikiC if that's what you took out of that section, then I don't know...
 
@Fuser97381 yes my son ?
 
@Fuser97381 There has been no decision to allow it, at least.
 
5:55 PM
@ircmaxell Model is the Mental Model of the User. C and V only serve for Direct Manipulation.
 
@Gordon uhhh
 
disagree
 
or rather this one:
 
nor do I think that's useful
 
because the Model doesn't just represent the mental model, it represents the application state and business state.
 
@ircmaxell I stick by my original statement that any standard disallowing overloading for math-related code is stupid.
 
@NikiC I'd rather have no overloading, then the dumb shit people do actively do with it
 
@ircmaxell those would be Pure Fabrication if you refer to things that are not part of the mental model but technical details.
 
yeah .. look at what they did with traits
 
5:58 PM
difference is that traits are fully useless and crap ;)
 
@Gordon eih
 
@ircmaxell its actually quite useful imo. The user doesnt care about how the ATM works internally.
so while the model is essentially a technical thing with layers and stuff it should appear to the user as the thing that he wants to manipulate. its internals are details only we know.
 
hence, the service layer
 
and in fact, that Direct Manipulation Metaphor thing is essential to MVC. It was part of Reenskaugs initial idea: heim.ifi.uio.no/~trygver/themes/mvc/mvc-index.html
 
6:03 PM
@Gordon my point entirely is that MVC, no matter the representation, is a poor excuse for a way to layout an application interface.
 
@ircmaxell I enjoyed the read. I look forward to seeing the "But more on that in a later post"
 
and I've got another blog post talking about interactors and building an interface layer on top of an application for user interaction
 
@ircmaxell ah ok. I lacked that context. I assumed you wanted to write an article explaining it. nvm then :)
 
@Gordon I wanted to write an article explaining why it's flawed
and I think the mental model approach, while good if you want to refine the concept, is tangental to its flaws
 
@ircmaxell it amazes me that people still care about it's flaws :)
 
6:05 PM
@Gordon I care about moving past it once and for all
One time I tried to explain Kerberos to someone. Then we both didn't understand it.
2
 
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LOL
 
@ircmaxell I've seen a presentation at PHPUCEU. The speaker was making the point that what we claim to be MVC is not MVC because we cannot achieve the original idea due to the web working different. While everything was correct, none of that mattered imo. Everyone is doing an MVC-ish thing and it works for us. So why bother?
 
@ircmaxell Fortunately I have personally never ran into that.
 
Hopefully there's at least an RFC. I guess there's a trade-off between "other languages have it" and "maybe it's not so great at all." Oh well.
 
@ircmaxell but I am not saying you shouldn't write that post :)
 
6:10 PM
@Gordon and it works for us <- does it?
really?
 
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Q: Cache PHP page that echoes CSS code

HelpingHandFollowing the accepted answer here on SO, I am trying to create a stylesheet that is editable with PHP. What's happening... I am trying to make the stylesheet (named css.php) cache in the user's browser so that he/she does not have to load it on every pageload, and have set the following header...

@ChrisBaker I have questionized it! :)
 
What I have been using can be described as MVC only if you are really generous
 
@ircmaxell all the MVC frameworks I have used so far allowed me to produce business value. yes.
 
@Gordon perl allowed us to produce business value back in the CGI days. that doesn't mean it worked
it "worked", but not well enough to actually "work"
 
What would be a flaw in your opinion?
 
6:14 PM
Just because CI lets you produce apps doesn't mean that it is good
 
with MVC?
 
yeah, why is it not "good enough"?
or rather what for
 
have you browsed the tag lately?
there are hard questions that are completely there because of the broken concept
 
@ircmaxell what is so difficult about the concept. Split user interaction into three distinct roles. that's not simple?
 
@Gordon that's not useful
 
6:16 PM
@ircmaxell disagree
 
Emm, you found hard questions there about the subject? What
 
for the concept to become simple and consistent, you need to literally boil it down to "split it into three distinct roles". Any deeper and it becomes inconsistent or difficult. And to me, "three distinct roles" is not useful, nor does it simplify anything
 
It's better than no boundaries at all.
(I think so, anyway)
 
@ircmaxell interesting. once I understood that it's not about the connections between the M and the V and the C but rather about having them in the first place, MVC became much less arcane to me.
 
Once I dropped mvc everything became much easier
 
6:19 PM
@LeviMorrison it's better than no boundaries like a car without tires is better than no car.
@Gordon architecture is about structure and relationships. If you drop the connections, then it ceases to be about architecture and hence ceases to be a useful communication medium
 
like where did the front controller fit in the mvc? nowhere.
 
I don't think of my projects as MVC, but rather MVC-inspired. The take-away for me has always been to have a clear and well-defined structure. If I spend too much time worrying about whether I've followed all the "rules" of one particular acronym or another, it just adds confusion.
 
In my experience there are a lot more than 3 role, because both V and M are actually orders of magnitude larger than C
 
A view? More like a response
 
@tereško precisely
 
6:21 PM
... writing on phone is hard
 
@ircmaxell disagree again. M is your application/the end users mental model. VC only serve to manipulate that and get feedback. You should be able to throw away VC without having to touch your M. How you implement that is up to you. That's not difficult as a concept. And it's easy to talk about it. We just did :)
 
Regardless of how I render content back to the user (JSON/HTML), I definitely need to refactor our code that handles business logic.
 
@Gordon in order to do that, the model has constraints
@Gordon what you described there is basically the interactor model
 
@ChrisBaker , thank you for the elegant solution. codepad.viper-7.com/SHhtFS Why the subcategories are shown correctly if the array structure is hierarchical ordered ? If the subcategory array are placed above the category array, they are messed up
 
@Gordon where you have an application (what you call a model), which is self contained. Then at the boundary layer you have thin interfaces which act as interactors
but that's not what MVC is
nor what MVC conceptually is
nor what MVC's abstractions say it should be
 
6:24 PM
@ircmaxell you mean EBI or Hexagonal architecture?
 
EBI, not hex
 
EBI and Hex are more or less the same
 
@yoda Try this one: codepad.viper-7.com/ahXrDJ -- instead of looking for null, it uses is_numeric. Looks like your sample data has an empty string instead of the null the original script expected.
 
and this precise conversation is why MVC is not useful. What you're talking about MVC is (why you say its useful) isn't what most others see MVC as (even if they find it useful). Everyone has a different understanding. And everyone does it differently. That's not useful as an architecture. And if you say "well, as a concept it's useful", the only use is separating interaction and presentation from the application. And that's not even what MVC talks about in the first place
 
@ircmaxell MVC is hardly architecture in my book. The constraints it gives you are just one among many others you will need.
 
6:29 PM
it's not architecture
but many think it is
many think it's a pattern
and it's being taught as such
 
It is a pattern, but a very simply one. And like all patterns it's only a blueprint where the concrete implementation may vary.
 
I think raising the next generation of developers by showing them MVC as architecture and a pattern hides what's really going on
@Gordon it's not a pattern. You said so yourself. Patterns are about relationships, and you said that MVC makes sense once you drop the relationships
 
Isn't an Architectural pattern a thing? At least that's how I had always classified MVC.
 
@ircmaxell No, that's not what I meant. It's just that the relations follow once you understood the roles.
 
@Gordon strongly disagree
 
6:32 PM
but whether you implement those by going through the controller or use some kind of View that observes the Model and then gets rendered somehow is not so important.
 
@ChrisBaker Same result. Already tried with if(empty($cat['cparent'])) , if(is_numeric($cat['cparent'])) , if($cat['cparent'] == '') . Am I missing something and still don't know how to figure it out
 
user2516837
Hmm.. would anyone be interested in being a part of a startup?
 
@yoda Define "messed up", when I look at the codepad I just posted, it looks okay to me.
 
user2516837
With 1K users everyday :)
 
6:34 PM
@ircmaxell I agree though that it's a problem that everyone has a different interpretation of what MVC is
or rather, that people make such a fuss about the concrete implementation
when the concept is so simple
 
the concept is so simple it's devoid of non-trivial value
hence the focus on it is unhealthy
 
well, if you mean by that, that frameworks should stop emphasizing that they are MVC frameworks, then I agree
 
separation of concerns is important. you don't need "MVC" to tell you that interaction is different from presentation is different from everything else
but I'm off to lunch, later
 
A lot of job roles ask for "MVC".
 
@ircmaxell I could agree with that without reservation -- it receives undue attention in the development world, especially in the web development world where it is least able to be implemented accurately.
 
6:36 PM
@ircmaxell yes, SOC is important. And MVC is SOC applied to user interfaces. If we disregard the Direct Manipulation Metaphor for now.
 
@ChrisBaker your example on codepad return the same result as on my server. only 2 subcategories on each category. Duracell and Toshiba under Batteries and Panasonic, Bosch under chargers. Varta still missing
 
@ChrisBaker yes, undue attention is a good description
 
@AndreaFaulds ^^ Sometimes waiting helps.
 
user2516837
Err... anyone interested in working on a startup
 
E_NOT_ENOUGH_INFORMATION
 
6:45 PM
AKA Humour us.
 
@LeviMorrison :)
 
@SaiKrishnaDeep Without any more information, I'm approximately |<-- this interested -->|
 
user2516837
Alright, so this my website imdbnator.com
 
Proposal for PHP 7: Rename E_STRICT to E_LESTER_CAINE
 
|<->| this interested now
 
user2516837
6:46 PM
It's based on the fact that mostly people have tons on movies with their friends or with them. Especially college students.
 
Interesting traits and constructor behavior: 3v4l.org/Av8OZ (compare to 3v4l.org/gJF3K)
 
user2516837
It's been getting 1K visitors from 10 visitors
 
user2516837
since yesterday
 
@SaiKrishnaDeep How do you have 1k users per day with no visible sign up?
visitors != users
 
user2516837
It's still in early stages
 
user2516837
6:47 PM
I mean 1K visits.
 
@Fabor By asking people, "anyone interested in working on a startup?"
 
@yoda Okay, yeah. I think you should probably order the cats when you grab them from the db or w/e, but this will work with unordered cats: codepad.viper-7.com/DlIYQi -- the loop was wiping out the children array when it reached the category.
 
@salathe lol
 
@ChrisBaker seem like array_multisort before loop do the job. Should I use it or this solution can be overkill ??
 
user2516837
I want to add many more features and righ now I, the sole developer here lol
 
6:48 PM
@yoda Nah, just needed a little tweak
 
user2516837
Well, i could give more info depending on whether or not your interested.
 
@SaiKrishnaDeep To save you a little time, I don't believe anyone here will be interested.
 
user2516837
Mom. How do i use the internet
 
Aaaaand $interest = -1;
 
@ChrisBaker so Einstein was right when he said "1% inspiration, 99% sweat -> the way to success" :)) . 99% translates to more than 24h for such a small tweak. Dude, thank you so much. How can I reward you ?
 
6:57 PM
@yoda By listening to wyce.org/listen and sharing it with your friends :p
 
Do we have a zend_string version of zend_str_tolower? I can't seem to find one.
Not a big deal if we don't.
 
@ChrisBaker 181.FM was boring anyway :). You just got a new 16/24h listener
 
@LeviMorrison no
 
So I need to duplicate a zend_string and then tolower it.
I noticed that for interned strings that would not cause correct behavior to use zend_string_dup.
It would tolower the original instead of a copy.
So should I just zend_string_init it?
 
@Fabor I am trying to update my zimbra instance and guess what happens Package nc-1.84-22.el6.x86_64 is obsoleted by 2:nmap-ncat-6.47-8.el6.art.x86_64 which is already installed. Looks familiar? :P
 
7:06 PM
Enjoy :P
 
I'm just going to remove the check in the install script and see what happens :P
What could possibly go wrong? :D
 
I found a fix for it, but I have zero idea what it was.
I most likely pasted it in chat here though.
 
Nope. Only found you telling me the problem and that is it :P
 
user image
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/obligatory
 
yeap :)
 
7:11 PM
@Fabor they probably wanted "codeigniter"
 
hahaha
 
Checking for prerequisites...
     FOUND: NPTL
     FOUND: nmap-ncat-6.47-8
     FOUND: sudo-1.8.6p3-15
     FOUND: libidn-1.18-2
     FOUND: gmp-4.3.1-7
     FOUND: libaio-0.3.107-10
     FOUND: libstdc++-4.4.7-11
     FOUND: unzip-6.0-1
 
@tereško lol. It's good amusement for about 30 seconds.
 
\o/
Fixed that shit real good
 
lol
 
user1596138
7:13 PM
Learning time?
 
@Fabor I guess I could send a PR to them, but they don;t really care about centos
 
user1596138
I want to reply to this issue and say that doing the same with print_r also doesn't return what he expects. So I devise that it is not a real issue. I have not interacted with a project like this and don't want to do the wrong thing. I would assume I can just say that as a comment
 
user1596138
Well maybe it's an "issue" but it doesn't come from the json_decode function and is a design "attribute" not "flaw"
 
@someDoge imho that is an issue
 
user1596138
Yes?
 
7:17 PM
Yes. What if some 3rd party sends me that I would expect to actually be able to retrieve it
 
user1596138
 
mysql replication is hilarious
 
user1596138
It is just how it is in PHP
 
Yes it is, doesn't mean I don't care about the data that is being send to me
 
user1596138
Outside of json_decode you will get the same? Or am I not understanding where the issue is?
 
7:19 PM
@PeeHaa What do you think would be the main menu items on the blog?
 
3rd pary sends me data. Let's say abcdefgh. The only sane way to retrieve that data is using json_decode, which instead results in the data abcd
What can I possibly do now to get the actual data?
@Fabor Blackjack and hookers
 
user1596138
If it's valid JSON I guess you're right
 
user1596138
And I don't think there's a limit... So I guess I'm wrong. Glad I asked ;P
 
@Fabor You should have a link titled "PHP 6" that leads to a page showing a division by zero error or 404 not found.
 
It's a shitty situation, because you either change the type or you have truncated data
 
7:21 PM
@someDoge wat
 
user1596138
@AndreaFaulds viper-7.com/H0C1KY
 
user1596138
Oops
 
:P
 
user1596138
lmao
 
@someDoge That is a real issue and I might just write a patch for it.
/me is very big on the whole "no, JSON numbers are not only IEEE 754 floats" thing
 
user1596138
7:23 PM
@AndreaFaulds Well. See that's why I asked :P
 
Isn't there already some flag for it by any chance?
 
user1596138
There is a BIGINT flag but it doesn't do that
 
user1596138
I checked
 
@AndreaFaulds ...does JSON simply re-use doubles from JavaScript?
 
@LeviMorrison JSON is a subset of JS, but JSON numbers aren't specified to be doubles
 
user1596138
7:24 PM
@AndreaFaulds So where do you go next. The whole point of asking about an issue was to help me understand how to go about contributing :P
 
@AndreaFaulds They're just JavaScript numbers, yes?
 
@someDoge you, uh, write a patch?
@LeviMorrison No. They're numeric literals.
 
@LeviMorrison 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005 is a perfectly valid JSON Number, and some implementations will preserve the precision
 
7:25 PM
 
@LeviMorrison JSON also lacks NaN and Infinity
 
tbh there are easier bugs to get into php-src dev...
 
Objecttest: 1234567890.1234567__proto__: Object
 
user1596138
@FlorianMargaine Ah that's what I wanted. Should've found it myself
 
user1596138
Thanks
 
7:26 PM
yw
 
@HamZa bol bol bolbol . com
 
:-)
 
@PeeHaa Yes, JSON Numbers in JS deserialise to a Number
 
So.... somebody: fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it
 
var foo = '1028301982309182309812038120983091283098123908120938109283091820938120938012983091283092180931092380182309812039812093829831902830918238712948712043701298301874019240816598164786712094718946132087012365203978561293865702398650234986509128375092183650981263081630985091236509286385612039568120986350981263059861203986230865120983609128365091286350912863508123650986305948702836098123908509123875098123740981237587123095129083754091236';
console.log(JSON.parse(foo));
// Infinity :'(
 
7:31 PM
To infinity and beyond!
 
Anyone experience with Symfony2?
 
@salathe Not in PHP if I get my way :D
 
@AndreaFaulds *crosses fingers and toes*
 
@salathe if you want it to happen, help me :p
 
@DaveRandom I'm planning to tag a new version of Amp\DNS with APC as the default cache where it is available. Shall I merge your branch with sanity checking in? I can't think of any reason not to.
 
7:35 PM
@AndreaFaulds I could be a cheerleader for bigint, if someone could donate pom-poms.
 
that's... encouraging, but doesn't make it any more likely to happen :p
 
@ircmaxell hehe :)
 
@AndreaFaulds Just to clarify: JSON the spec, and not some particular JSON encoder/decoder?
 
@LeviMorrison Yes.
@LeviMorrison Python has a rogue encoder which outputs Infinity and NaN, though. It's really a lolpython.
 
7:45 PM
@ircmaxell LOL
 
One for you @tereško
> I'm tending towards not prefering to classify the View as being responsible for rendering the model, that is the ViewRenderer's responsibility. I think it is possibly easier and maybe more correct to state that the View is a renderable interface for the model, e.g a template. Source
 
I will try to avoid that thread on reddit
for the sake of my fucking sanity
 
:D
 
user895378
Off-topic confession: I'm totally going to see the new Hunger Games movie tonight.
 
7:56 PM
it's out tonight?
 
user895378
I hope so. Otherwise I'll be crestfallen. Yes, it is.
 
@rdlowrey Read the books yet?
 
user895378
Of course. I'm a reader.
 
Were you at all disappointed with the first movie? I felt like it failed to convey many of the strong social points made by the book. When I heard they were making a movie out of it, I was excited to think of the millions of people who would be getting those messages, and the introspection those ideas might spawn. Instead... nope.
The movie of Enders Game was similarly disappointing
 
user895378
7:59 PM
@ChrisBaker I definitely was disappointed by the first one. I thought the second one was actually an improvement over the book, though.
 

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