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9:07 AM
woot, my laptop is fixed :)
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't even go to the D&D session. I basically lay flat the whole weekend without moving a limb.
So, how was the meetup?
 
huh... got to implement some changes, reason being a customer is fed up with too many 'bugs' being closed due to lack of information... give more info then?
 
@thecoshman sounds like a plan. :P
 
9:10 AM
LTO benchmarks
 
@Xeo was good. I had fun. I'm hoping Robot and Ape had fun too? :)
 
oh, some automation scripts in perl you say? chance to improve them you say? run away from Java for a bit you say? fuck yes I say!
 
oh and I got to pick Robot's brain about Unicode :)
 
user142019
Hello.
 
user142019
9:13 AM
What's up.
 
@thecoshman lol
@Zoidberg the sky
 
@Zoidberg a direction
@TonyTheLion silly you, not in Australia
 
user142019
Up's a movie.
 
@thecoshman ahahahah
 
@Zoidberg indeed, but Up is not up
 
user142019
9:15 AM
CARE
 
@thecoshman Hey buddy, remember me?
 
user142019
Sharper can parse namespaces. \o/
 
@JamesDyson vaugley.... though to be honest, not in a good way
 
@thecoshman Huh? hahah
 
> vaugley
dafuq?
 
9:16 AM
@Xeo Sacrilege! How could you miss one session? That's terrible! The DM had to come up with some lame excuse for why your PC disappeared all of a sudden for no reason. You are a horrible person.
 
Xeo
lol
 
@TonyTheLion spelling fail of epic proportions... 'roughly' 'sort of' 'slightly' 'a bit' etc. etc.
 
I thought I was phonetically close enough :P
 
9:18 AM
@Xeo Oh btw, I meant to ask you: did the adventure start in a tavern?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's not an adventure if it didn't
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes no
 
because no good story starts with a salad.
 
and to be fair, it's probably not much of an adventure if it does, more of a drunken brawl
 
@thecoshman getting back the original meaning, what are these vaugley remembered memories originating from? Why are they not good :?
 
9:20 AM
@thecoshman I avoided starting in taverns exactly because I knew my players well enough to know they would not leave it before the chairs started flying.
 
I have no idea what D&D is?
Drink & Drive?
Drunk & Dumplings?
 
Though tavern brawls were fun to play out, I avoided them at the start.
 
Drivel & Drugs?
 
@Ranking, comment on the function you referenced : // NOTE: This function is currently NOT WORKINGBartek Banachewicz 6 secs ago
 
@TonyTheLion good lord man! you been living under a rock. It's Dungeons and Dragons
 
Xeo
9:22 AM
We also just the week before finished the old campaign (with everyone dead) and started a new one, which for once is an "evil" group.
 
> The main calculation code I was using was from:link
 
@Zoidberg impressive
 
what the fuck is wrong with this guy
 
@thecoshman yes, I live under a rock :)
 
@JamesDyson mostly that you where rather annoying, I could be wrong though. There are plenty of annoying people who come here
 
user142019
9:22 AM
@sehe not leally.
 
@thecoshman oh
 
@TonyTheLion Backwatershire
 
@thecoshman I remember differently, but there you go.
@TonyTheLion Who made this website?
 
9:23 AM
I have no idea
it's just the first result that came up when Googling "backwatershire"
 
@TonyTheLion oh for fuck sake :P
 
@bamboon Conclusion: LTO sucks? :(
 
I can't even make up a fake place any more for the shear number of crapply named places
@R.MartinhoFernandes sounds about right
 
ahahah
 
user142019
9:25 AM
Yay.
 
user142019
My project team consists of very few noobs.
 
user142019
\o/
 
@Zoidberg Just you, then?
 
@Xeo Oooh, tell me how that works out. It worked terribly for us (too much party infighting).
 
Also, get out of the straight jacket "\o/"
you will make a bad impression struggling on like that
 
user142019
9:27 AM
@sehe ╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
erm... how well could D&D work over something like Skype or Mumble?
@Zoidberg ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
 
@thecoshman Like crap.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes because...
 
crap
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you know the Eberron expansion?
 
9:28 AM
Yes.
 
get a dicebot, and a map program for moving PCs / Mobs around
 
Somewhat. I looked into it, but we did not play it.
 
Xeo
There's a druid group "children of the winter" and their goal is to kill everyone so that new life can sprout (basically).
 
@thecoshman Because it lacks people getting together to play.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes aye, but I canny travel to Berlin each weekend to throw dice at the ape can I
 
Xeo
9:30 AM
One of our party members is a druid from that group, another is a mad magician scientist trying zombie magic (so, profiting from dead people) and they kinda agreed to work together. my character also (thinks) he profits from death and destruction.
So infighting probably won't happen too soon.
Also, we managed to win over an entire town and an undead army in just 2 (ingame) days
 
@Xeo so, what's that IRL? Two weeks?
 
Xeo
(the children of the winter don't instantly kill anything they see, they first try to win them over to be more efficient at killing everything else. :) after everything else is dead, they'll kill themselves or something like that.)
@sehe Single day.
We played from 10am-9pm
 
@Xeo Oh, so you start at somewhat high power levels?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes lvl 11, the highest character from the prev. campaign was 12. Also, "win over" as in "made them join our side".
And we play in the same world as the last campaign, just 5 years later.
In the end of the prev. campaign, we released a mad old "god" (a dalkyr (sp?)) and the arcane magic is a bit unstable right now. So, he took something from AD&D and every time you cast some arcane magic, you roll a d100 and get a side-effect.
 
9:35 AM
you need like 4 or 5 people at least for a good RP session don't you?
 
I know what you are talking about.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman We're 5 (including the GM)
@R.MartinhoFernandes With the side-effects?
 
user142019
Teacher y can u no type.
 
@Zoidberg one finger press at a time?
 
user142019
Yes, and he looks at the keyboard instead of the screen so he types in the wrong field.
 
9:36 AM
because teacher
 
user142019
He's gonna teach us R.
 
he's going to teach you Robot?
what.
 
user142019
R is an open source programming language and software environment for statistical computing and graphics. The R language is widely used among statisticians and data miners for developing statistical software and data analysis. Polls and surveys of data miners are showing R's popularity has increased substantially in recent years. R is an implementation of the S programming language combined with lexical scoping semantics inspired by Scheme. S was created by John Chambers while at Bell Labs. R was created by Ross Ihaka and Robert Gentleman at the University of Auckland, New Zealand, and ...
 
@Zoidberg You can access chat from class?
 
9:38 AM
@Xeo Yeah. We found that once, but decided not to use it. There was another campaign that I ran with a homegrown system where casting failures could have drastic results, but there was no d100 to roll; I would come up with something on the spot.
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked of course why not.
 
user142019
I can even browse /b/ or xHamster or TPB or .onion sites from here.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes The side-effects were amazingly fitting, though. We had some trouble convincing the people living in the town to follow us, and the wizard was experimenting with the side-effects outside of the town. He casted "light", and the side-effect was that he'd be the target of light for the next 3 hours. So, we used that as a "light elemental" appearence.
 
@Zoidberg why?
 
seya, the annoying kid is off :P
 
user142019
9:41 AM
Because we'll have to use R for our project.
 
user142019
Døh.
 
@Xeo Haha, reminds me of when my players impersonated a god of fire thanks to dragonborn's immunity to fire and the sorcerer's fireballs to avoid fighting their way through a kobold settlement.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Heh, yeah, things like that make the whole thing more fun.
 
google reader y u no remember what I mark as read?
 
Xeo
Just shortly after that, to stop an undead army from stomping over us, we had to send a spy in... for that, he needed an undead / ghost horse. Well, the wizard summoned one, and the side effect was that it'd be surrounded by butterflies the whole time. That only helped to obscure the fact that he was a human spy and not an undead, since they always blocked the view to him.
 
9:48 AM
@Xeo Yeah. It's annoying when whatever I took the time to plan for the session becomes worthless because the players turn the whole situation into something completely unexpected. But those are the most fun and memorable parts, so I don't really mind, and I am good enough at improvising to keep it going.
 
@thecoshman Becuz refresh
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oooh, reminds me of the dragon we killed in a totally non-epic way.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's your experience with YCM.vim, by the way?
 
@sehe Working fine here. I'm going to keep it. (I don't use the clang bits, just raw word-based completion)
 
Xeo
It was in the final dungeon of that old "god", and he hid inside an underground hole, breathing his toxic odem up so we couldn't go down.
We just filled the whole thing with water and lightning'd him to death. Or maybe he drowned, one of that.
 
9:50 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm probably going to disable it. I am way to attached to ^P/^N which no longer work. Also, snipmate plugin doesn't trigger anymore. Which is kinda sad.
 
@sehe Wut. ^P/^N Still works here.
 
Nope. I need ^X^P to get it started
 
morning
 
@sehe because tried that, tried relogging, tried (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
refresh, sorted, refresh, fucked again ¬_¬
 
@Xeo Oh dumb thing. lol. I would never let my players get away with that. They might end up facing a weakened foe, but not win that passively.
 
9:53 AM
Oh aaaand I was hoping to discern the pattern so that completions to "become deterministic" (i.e. predictable to me). Which is why I stuck with it for a while. But I'm not so sure I'll like it. I think I prefer manually triggering completion. I know exactly what it will give me.
Too bad about std::string::cit for const_iterator. (BTW, that annoys me too: there is no 'heuristic' that understands I want std 99% of the time, and also string requires me to type up to and including stri anyhoops.)
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, he was already weakened before that, we had to chase him all over the place with him changing forms on us all the time.
Just his death was kinda lame.
 
Sucker. Have the decency to die like a boss, would you?
 
sounds legit
 
user1357851
 
9:58 AM
lol
 
@Telkitty I thought he was holding a gun for a moment
 
@sehe that's a nice idea
Also, i didn't get the missing 5 points, so 3rd exam is starting in an hour
god damn I hate algorithms
 
user1357851
@sehe lol, that would be in a bank not in a class room
 
@Telkitty are you sure?
 
user142019
10:01 AM
Time to write a parser for class declarations. :c
 
user1357851
@BartekBanachewicz do open book exams nowadays accept smart phones as a form of open book resource?
 
@sehe I get const_iterator with cit. But yeah, it doesn't feel as smart as R#. At times R# feels like it is getting fed data straight from your mind.
 
@Telkitty I was talking about the gun.
 
user1357851
@BartekBanachewicz why would you carry a gun in a class room under a table?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup. And as long as there is 'friction' or 'impedance mismatch' I prefer not to bother. Heck, I could VS if I were that lazy/desparate
 
10:04 AM
@Telkitty guess why
 
O god. The battle of the plonked.
@Zoidberg In R
 
user1357851
@BartekBanachewicz could be a lot of reasons, being a psychopath would top the list? ^_^
 
user142019
@sehe In Haskell.
 
^ Suckers at hostnet.nl have no humour. Well, they shouldn't have surprised me with unexpected delay in their management website availability
 
user1357851
 
10:06 AM
@Telkitty i am close to becoming one
 
Just ignore the guy
 
@sehe who?
 
@Xeo Just in case it was not clear, I don't mind cheating if it doesn't become too obvious and it makes for more epic moments so I would just make up its own "pre-planned" escape route, or have it pull out its scroll of summon nasties to distract the players.
 
user1357851
@BartekBanachewicz Could I then tempt you to move to the neighbourhood where DeadMG is? He likes to surround himself with psychos, I suspect he loves to live dangerously ^_^
 
@Telkitty totally this
 
10:12 AM
If done well, the players can't tell the difference between the DM cheating and the DM having planned the encounter very well.
 
lol zomg that spacebar xkcd
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, I see.
 
@Xeo I once had a minor enemy escape an encounter with the PCs and for some reason they took it personally to finding and bringing her down. They spent a bunch of sessions chasing after her and they ended up turning her into their main nemesis by themselves. The campaign shifted focus completely after that. They never knew she was meant to be just some random one-use pawn, and she ended up being the final boss. Those are the best villains.
 
user142019
I hate this teacher.
 
user142019
He's the kind of guy like "YOU HAVEN'T HAD THIS IN CLASS SO YOU CAN'T KNOW IT YET."
 
10:24 AM
owch
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
user142019
R vectors y u one-based.
 
user142019
Dafuq.
 
the language was probably made for statisticians more than programmers
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg not like they're the only ones...
 
10:27 AM
@Zoidberg 1 based is superior
 
@Xeo dat pun
 
user142019
@AndreiTita gfto
 
hahahaha
 
user142019
0-based or GTFO.
 
0-based is an unnatural bastardization resulting from pointer-array equivalence in C and it sucks
 
Xeo
10:29 AM
0-based is awesome if you take "index" to mean "element offset". :3
Which is all that it really is.
 
@AndreiTita Are you trolling or can I link you to that Dijkstra's thing about how 0-based is so much more natural?
 
@Xeo Yes. Arrays as pointers.
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, I prefer 1-based. The other sentence was completely unresearched however. By all means, link on.
 
You suck so much
 
much sucking is going on
 
Xeo
10:31 AM
155
A: Why are Standard iterator ranges [begin, end) instead of [begin, end]?

Kerrek SBThe best argument easily is the one made by Dijkstra himself: You want the size of the range to be a simple difference end − begin; including the lower bound is more "natural" when sequences degenerate to empty ones, and also because the alternative (excluding the lower bound) w...

Relevance > 0%
 
user142019
lol
 
@TonyTheLion ¬_¬
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Unconvincing.
 
@LucDanton What? You wanted me to link to the handwritten version?
 
10:41 AM
No
 
Actually I like that one more.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
oh yea there was a time people wrote things by hand :P
 
FUCKING FILES DON'T WORK
 
10:43 AM
fopen("news.txt","w"); FUCK YOU!
 
yea, because files don't fuck
 
@LuchianGrigore No, no, files work. They've been used in computing for, like, at least 30 years.
 
Actually, I have a nested loop on ogonek now :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Robot doesn't like many things, does he? ;)
 
I see. _GLIBCXX_EXTERN_TEMPLATE appears to be defined, but there is no std::basic_ios<char>::operator bool() const in the library :|
 
10:44 AM
@AndreiTita his like module wasn't implemented properly
 
@LucDanton Probably not upgraded for C++11.
 
@DeadMG In the shared library file, to be explicit.
 
@AndreiTita Where did you get that idea?
Btw, chat search sucks. I don't like chat search.
 
btw, it's cold in my office
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes :O
 
10:47 AM
:(
 
it's cold here too
the heating seems to have decided it can't be arsed
 
I'm just going to hack it in somewhere.
 
I don't think the heating works in this place
damn, so many times I'm cold
sitting here
 
@Xeo I don't want to write an adjacent element iterator and as usual, Boost.Range disappoints (there is nothing non-trivial in Boost.Range! Fuck Boost.Range)
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Shouldn't that be operator void*() const?
 
10:48 AM
@Xeo Move on from C++03.
 
@Xeo No. But it's there.
 
@Xeo there's bool too
 
Xeo
@DeadMG I somehow mixed up "extern templates" and "export templates". :P
 
lol,
man, my dog gets so excited whenever I appear ready to go out
 
heh
that's dogs for you
 
10:50 AM
i.e. I have for(auto it = begin; it != end; ++it) for(auto it2 = std::next(it); it2 != end; -- wait a fucking moment. I found the bug.
 
$ cat src/lol.cpp
#include <ios>

namespace std {

template basic_ios<char, char_traits<char>>::operator bool() const;

} // std
 
Exactly.
 
huh
did you know that many of Clang's APIs refers to an instantiation as a specialization?
 
$ <src/lol.cpp cat # FTFY
 
10:54 AM
Anyway, except for that thing, turns out I can upgrade my compiler snapshot. The time for inheriting constructors has come! Huzzah!
 
@DeadMG That is actually correct.
 
oh
it's mightily confusing.
 
Instantiation is the operation that produces specializations.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've seen you ranting about superfluous felines before but that one is a joke right?
 
I spent three hours trying to find out how to instantiate a template last night
 
10:55 AM
@LucDanton Yes, I was trying to make a lolcat.
 
turns out the operation I need is exactly where I thought it would be
it just has a name I didn't recognize
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's when talking about templates isn't it?
 
@thecoshman Right.
 
yay, I knew something about templates :)
 
10:57 AM
btw cosh
screw you, my Wide compiler works
 
you know what amazes me most about this place, is the amount of stuff that 'seems complex' but when you actually look at what it is doing you think 'huh... you mean like this free open source system?'
 
@LucDanton Took them long enough. I may consider start using 4.8 now. When will it be released?
 
@DeadMG seems like a bit of an overreaction to nothing, but good for you :P
but Wide is complete yet is it?
 
Xeo
@LucDanton :O
 

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