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12:00 PM
Boost.Range is on top of Boost.Iterator and yet it only provides range_category, not range_traversal. wut.
 
Hmm, something got messed up in that message...
@LucDanton Boost.Range sucks, have I mentioned that?
 
Well go write a C++ range library yourself!
 
Actually, I am planning to write some bits of one before I write more iterators. I'm tired of this shit.
 
> note: cannot convert 'std::forward_iterator_tag()' (type 'std::forward_iterator_tag') to type 'boost::single_pass_traversal_tag'
wut
 
12:04 PM
@DeadMG perhaps, it will be downvotable soon? isocpp.org/forums/…
 
Woops, wrong concept.
 
@jalf That's a problem, actually. Just opening in Notepad should not manipulate text in a document.
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's an awesome off-by-one (type) error
 
off-by-you're-a-moron
 
can't have apostrophes in catastrophes
@jalf awesome find. perhaps mention it in the comments section at ... oh well, nevermind, of course they don't have one (or they moderate the hell heaven out of it)
 
I had an omelette for breakfast.
 
12:09 PM
@sehe I don't think it'd make a difference even if it was mentioned to them. Do you?
 
I think I made that clear :)
 
user142019
I’m going to lunch in two minutes.
 
you go to lunch, I just eat my lunch at my desk
 
user142019
I’m still in bed.
 
user142019
I don’t have access to any food right now.
 
12:11 PM
you lazy fuck
or you lucky bastard
 
k, I'm supposed to use boost::iterator_category_to_traversal.
Oh god range_reference isn't quite what I need. This sucks so much.
 
any one who can read spanish?
I need help..
 
Erm.
In the C++ room???
It doesn't say Lounge<Spanish> now, does it?!
so goodbye
 
user142019
C++ code, like all code is written in English.
 
user142019
Code not written in English is terrible, and if you don’t code in English, you’re terrible.
 
12:20 PM
and you should feel terrible
 
That's it, screw single pass ranges. Copy them to some container with a better traversal first!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Normally, I order on day 1, amazon ships on day 2, and I receive the book on day 3. If you order late on day 1, add another day.
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion That’s it! Change the name to Lounge<Swahili>! Nobody speaks that language!
 
user142019
12:22 PM
IT WAS A JOKE
 
I can't believe I dreamed about Islam last night
wtf
 
user142019
Did you explode?
 
By the way, I finally ordered GEB on amazon yesterday :) Also two additional books about Gödel and one about Turing.
 
@Zoidberg'-- I didn't laugh
@Zoidberg'-- not really, but it was very focused on Allah. Anyways, it was weird, as dreams usually are.
 
user142019
I don’t remember any of my dreams from last night.
 
12:24 PM
very rare for me
and when I do, it's usually stuff like "Made an omelette."
 
normally I don't remember dreams, but this one stuck
for whatever reason
 
I get freaky dreams.. never anything normal by any means
 
@DeadMG woah, you have exciting dreams :P
 
user142019
I once dreamed about SCons. ಠ_ಠ
 
once I was walking around my old neighborhood and the sky fell to pieces like I was on acid or something
another time I was an ant moving underneath gigantic leaves
I don't get normal dreams
 
12:26 PM
I once had a dream about killing my brother, that was fucking scary.
 
user142019
You are evil.
 
more like a nightmare
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion nightstallion
 
@TonyTheLion Obviously, your secret desire to become a Muslim.
 
12:26 PM
lol
@DeadMG erm. no
 
user142019
Tony The Islamic Lion
 
@FredOverflow Never used that book, but if I did, that would certainly explain the dream :P
 
With all due respect to Muslims, I have no interest in becoming one.
 
wait, Muslims are due respect now?
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion now you offended them.
 
user142019
12:28 PM
I don’t respect a religion that doesn’t respect half the people on the planet.
 
@DeadMG Hey. You're talking about me.
@Neil That's normal.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know. It was just so tempting.
@Zoidberg'-- Or puts bounties on people's heads for making silly videos.
 
@Zoidberg'-- isn't that true for pretty much every religion?
 
user142019
@DeadMG Or burn flags and think we really care.
 
@DeadMG Bounties don't work. I tried it and got crap answers.
 
12:29 PM
@jalf Not all of them
 
lol
 
@DeadMG The religion Islam did that? How, exactly?
 
Take Copimism and Jedi for instance. No sexism.
 
Jedi is not a religion. It's a character class.
 
I admit that it was one particular motherfucker who did the bounty thing.
but what really offended me was that nobody else seemed to have a problem with this.
 
12:30 PM
@DeadMG What do you mean?
 
there's a difference between "Random nutters do X" and "We permit our elected ministers to do X and don't have a problem with it."
 
user142019
@jalf not sure. I don’t think Christian women are forced to wear headscarfs, for example.
 
Terrorist acts in the name of some religion (done by a few) can't be generalized to mean that everyone with that same belief is a terrorist.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Jedi is officially a religion in Australia
 
@DeadMG Again, who permitted their elected minister to put a bounty on someone's head and expressed that they don't have a problem with it?
 
12:31 PM
Sorry, NZ
 
@TonyTheLion No, but I'm a little sick of people (not you specifically) trying to mirror aspects of Islam onto Christianity
 
@Zoidberg'-- Well? Neither are muslim women. They choose how (and how rigorously) to interpret their holy book, exactly like Christians do. The Bible is quite expressive about how women are considered property too. Is that better? There are also quite a few bits about how you should treat your slaves (whom, implicitly, you obviously should have)
 
Once upon a time, christianity was very short-sighted and fanatical
I like to think we've grown out of that phase for the most part
 
user142019
In that case I don’t respect Christianity either.
 
12:33 PM
@Neil I'm not trying to mirror anything, but I get what you're saying.
 
Islam hasn't gotten there yet, and I refuse to pretend it's the same as any other religion in that regard
 
let's face it, every big religion is goddamn insane, offensive, bigoted and flat-out wrong, if you read their rules literally. Most of their followers are sane enough to ignore most of the crazy parts, but some don't
 
As if political correctness extended also to religion
 
user142019
FSM-ism isn’t. :P
 
@Zoidberg'-- It isn't a big religion either.
 
12:34 PM
@TonyTheLion Well I didn't mean to imply you were. I said "not you specifically" mainly because I didn't want to imply you were or weren't
 
@jalf making a statement like that, you shouldn't be the one talking about others being bigoted.
 
@TonyTheLion Why not?
 
it's wrong to be racist, it's wrong to be sexist, but you are part of a religion by choice
 
@jalf because that statement could in itself be considered bigoted.
 
@TonyTheLion how so?
 
12:35 PM
and I lose a tiny bit of respect for anyone who believes a religion unquestionably
 
@Neil this reminds me of a really racist joke :))
 
@Neil aren't you racist by choice too?
 
@TonyTheLion That's a trick question, right?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes of course :)
 
@TonyTheLion What's your point? You cannot choose your race nor gender, but you can choose religion
 
12:36 PM
@jalf Well, if the people of Pakistan did have a problem with it, they'd consider, y'know, firing him, or prosecuting him, or just holding a rally in the street to protest, or something.
 
I mean, I'm talking about the religions, the rules and holy books and commandments, rather than the people. And I'll happily supply facts to back up my claims. Is that bigotry?
@DeadMG Just like you fire your ministers every time they do something you disagree with? Really, the UK would've been a constant street protest if you held your own country to the same stadnards
 
@LuchianGrigore Tell it to me in a private room if you want to tell me.. I doubt they'd let you get away with it here :P
 
we fire our ministers on a very regular basis.
 
brb, lunch
 
@jalf definition of bigoted: Expressing or characterized by prejudice and intolerance. Now, that statement comes across to me as quite intolerant and prejudiced.
 
12:37 PM
there's a big difference between "Disagree with" and "Put a bounty on another person's head."
 
user142019
@jalf they are forced to by their husbands.
 
@Neil yeah well, you can't choose your race, but you can choose to like or not like other races, no?
 
@DeadMG well then, were the populace well informed of the issue? It was widely reported here because OMGISLAM, but how about the people you want to express their protest, what did they know of it?
 
@Neil His point was that you are racist. He just doesn't know if you chose it or not.
 
and if any UK minister did anything even remotely like that, we would ship their arses to jail without a second thought.
 
12:38 PM
meh I regret ever mentioning what I dreamt about last night
:(
 
@Zoidberg'-- who are "they"? Some are, many are not. For those who are, I fail to see how their choice of religion is at all relevant. For those who are not forced, well, what's the problem?
 
user142019
And if they refuse, they simply get humiliated, raped and killed.
 
@Zoidberg'-- Generalize much?
 
@Zoidberg'-- Only when their neighbors eat spicy food.
 
@DeadMG if you knew about it, sure. If it was accurately reported to you. How about the politicians in the US who called for Assange to be assasinated? They didn't go to jail
 
12:39 PM
@jalf Well, the man has political opponents, so you'd assume that if the populace gave a shit about it, they'd make sure that it was.
@jalf A perfect example of how the US is just as primitive as Pakistan.
 
@TonyTheLion I don't share your view.
 
@DeadMG Would you? Their democracy isn't all that well-functioning. Neither are their media coverage. Assuming they knew about this, and blaming them for not rioting in the streets seems disingenious
@TonyTheLion I don't follow how. What exactly am I intolerant of, and how is it prejudice?
 
@LucDanton great! we disagree about something.
 
@DeadMG And yet you're calling out Islam as the problem? Not the political systems of Pakiastan and the USA, and not Christianity, but Islam specificially?
 
@Neil joining?
 
user142019
12:41 PM
The amount of respect they give is lower than their average literacy level.
 
@jalf intolerant of Religion perhaps? You called it "every big religion is goddamn insane, offensive, bigoted". I don't know, but if that is a statement of tolerance to you, then I guess we'll just have to disagree on what tolerance means.
 
@TonyTheLion You're misquoting.
 
@jalf No. The idiotic Islamism in Pakistan is just more universal than the idiotic nationalism in the US, but they're just as idiotic, and in some ways the US is much worse because they wield a lot more power and influence over the rest of the world.
 
@TonyTheLion Well, I'm quite intolerant of nazism too, and genocide. Is that bigotry?
 
@LucDanton wut? I copy & pasted the damn thing. I specifically didn't include the bit about being wrong, because that's subjective and everyone can have their views on that.
 
12:43 PM
I'm pretty sure you need the "prejudice" part as well.
 
@TonyTheLion You also specifically did not include the bit about following rules literally.
 
@DeadMG And on what do you base this claim? As far as I know, most people in Pakistan are just, well, people, concerned with their own wellbeing, raising their children and all that. Do you have evidence to the contrary? And if the US is "in some ways much worse", why are you calling out Islam as being the problem?
 
@TonyTheLion The missing parts are as important as the parts that you did copy and and paste. A more complete quote: "let's face it, every big religion is goddamn insane, offensive, bigoted and flat-out wrong, if you read their rules literally." That final conditional affects the whole meaning.
jalf did not unconditionally describe every big religion as goddamn insane, offensive, bigoted and flat-out wrong.
 
@jalf I'm not calling out Islam as a problem. It's mostly the people who are Islamic who are suffering at the hands of Islam. I think that the US could easily be said to be an equally large, if not larger, problem for most Western people. All I ever said is that I've got a rather distinct lack of respect for it.
 
@TonyTheLion To the best of my knowledge, my statement is true. I know it is true for Christianity and Islam. Which religion do you have in mind which does not contain insane rules if you read it literally?
18 mins ago, by DeadMG
wait, Muslims are due respect now?
17 mins ago, by DeadMG
@Zoidberg'-- Or puts bounties on people's heads for making silly videos.
Sure looked to me like calling Islam out as a problem
And now you're trying to backtrack and say "Oh, I actually meant that we should feel sorry for the poor muslims for suffering from the wrong religion"
which is arrogant, ignorant and cowardly bullshit
 
12:47 PM
there's a big difference between "a problem" and "the problem".
 
@jalf I call this DeadMGing.
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You implied that muslims do not deserve respect, and that Islam "puts bounties on people's heads for making silly videos"
 
@LucDanton lol
 
So either have the balls to say "Ok, I didn't mean that, I exaggerated, I was wrong", or stand by your own words and don't try to fucking wiggle out of it
 
Sep 17 at 16:31, by Luc Danton
I could quote the description of the tag but on the other hand you're DeadMGing.
Previous instance.
 
12:48 PM
OMG, prior art.
 
You said that muslims deserve no respect. So what is it? Did you said what you meant, or were you just trying to be cool by bashing on a billion people who just so happen to be the official "bad guys" at the moment
 
user142019
Neither. The latter, from before your edit.
 
I say that kind of thing about everybody, all the time. It's just a shitty joke for my own personal amusement. It doesn't have any meaning.
 
To be honest, I thought it was a joke.
 
I know quite a few muslims. None of them go around saying that Christians or Atheists deserve no respect. And, for the record, none of them are forced to wear anything on their head either.
@DeadMG Oh, so you are trying to cowardly wiggle out of it
Respect for @DeadMG: rapidly approaching nil
 
12:51 PM
I think that I could trivially find hundreds, if not thousands, of prior jokes which are identical aimed at pretty much everybody, including myself.
 
user142019
ITT: raging penguins vs joking puppies.
 
Do you seriously believe that uttering garbage like that has no meaning, makes no difference, does not matter?
@DeadMG Yes. So? Does that make it a good thing? I can also trivially find hundreds, if not thousands of people who suffer under this kind of ignorant preconceptions and condescending bullshit
Respect: you should try it some time
If your idea of "personal amusement" is to say that real breathing human beings deserve no respect, then you are some of the filthiest scum I have ever encountered
And if you think "doing so all the time" makes it better, then I really don't know what to say
 
as if anyone here apart from you would take it seriously
 
@DeadMG are you really that dumb?
 
user142019
I know many muslims and they are all scum.
 
12:55 PM
@Zoidberg'-- dude, WTF?!
 
well, I'm fairly confident of my audience in here.
 
user142019
But obviously, they come to the Netherlands and not Denmark because they get free money from the Dutch government.
 
@TonyTheLion My words! You stole 'em!
 
@DeadMG Try re-reading the conversation, and note how as soon as one person says something negative about Islam, it's legitimate to do so, and everyone piles in with exaggerations, unfounded claims and accusations and generalizations
 
@DeadMG I took your statement quite seriously.
 
user142019
12:55 PM
@TonyTheLion I’m serious.
 
Now imagine what happens if people do the same outside this chat.
 
user142019
100% of the muslims I personally know are terrible people.
 
even if it was a joke, I didn't consider it funny
@Zoidberg'-- ok, just stop.
 
user142019
They are all arrogant as hell.
 
honestly, I don't think that kind of thing belongs here, Mr. Zoidberg.
 
12:56 PM
Mr.?
 
@Zoidberg'-- huh? So the ones I know are actually in the Netherlands? I'm impressed at how the ones I went to school with managed to get here in time every day
 
or Mrs. as you may prefer
 
@jalf That's hardly a unique occurrence. It happens every time anyone, ever, brings up religion on the Internet.
 
user142019
@jalf I never said that.
 
user142019
I’m talking about my own experience. Not your experience.
 
12:58 PM
@jalf He meant that the bad ones go to Netherlands, and the good ones to Denmark. Or some other bullcrap like that.
 
free money. Well that would be quite stupid to pay for money.
 
user142019
@kbok without working for it.
 
metapay
 
@DeadMG It has nothing to do with religion or with the internet. It's how human beings work. Spewing the kind of bullshit you did might mean nothing to you, and those you aimed it at might also recognize that "he doesn't mean it, therefore it is funny hahah", but others are going to see it as legitimization of their views, which just so happen to agree
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^ this
 
12:59 PM
It works for religion, for race, for sexism (and for "harmless" rape jokes), for politics, for pretty much everything
Plus, if it truly meant nothing, what would be funny about it? You said it because it plays into existing stereotypes, and because those stereotypes are obviously relevant enough for the "joke" to make sense. You wouldn't say "carrots deserve no alcohol", because that's just meaningless nonsense. But "muslims deserve no respect" is something everyone can relate to because everyone knows muslims are the bad guys
 
And everyone knows that muslim PHP programmers are the worst of all.
 
@Zoidberg'-- you did just say that muslims went to the netherlands and not to denmark.. I'm pointing out that there are muslims in denmark
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Godwin's law for PHP?
I wasn't the one bringing up PHP this time!
also, yesterday I got barked at at work for bringing up PHP. :(
it seems to stir some emotions in people.
 
You work with the puppy?
 
1:02 PM
I work?
 
Robot seems to think so
 
@jalf It's difficult to explain, but it's more about satire. Consider this video about Belgians, from Monty Python.
 
@TonyTheLion I am fully aware that he is just a lazy fuck.
 
oh am I glad.
@DeadMG oi! Now you're having a go at Belgians!
:P
 
@DeadMG no, it is not. I am familiar with satire, and with Monty Python (and with that particular video)
I am also familiar with bigotry, ignorance and prejudice, and with how it spreads
And I would love for people to have the balls to admit it when they inadvertently misstep, to just go "oh, in hindsight, I see how people might get the wrong idea. Maybe I should've phrased that differently"
@Zoidberg'-- 100% of the people I know who use the name Zoidberg online are terrible people too. Curiously enough, they are also "arrogant as hell"
 
1:11 PM
lol
Zoidbergs are evil.
 
he he
 
and Zoidberg left
 
@TonyTheLion by the way, you never told me which large religion my claim was incorrect about? ;)
 
@jalf I'll admit that their execution is a lot better than mine.
 
@jalf I wasn't thinking of a specific one, it was more that I didn't think that even with your qualifier to your argument it made that argument any more tolerant. But that is my view, and if you disagree, well that is fine.
 
1:15 PM
@DeadMG maybe because they didn't follow it up with evidence that they actually meant what they said... Or maybe because in their case, there genuinely were no hard feelings
 
You added "large" just to dismiss my perfectly valid example of Jedi religion.
 
@TonyTheLion Well, I'm asking because I'm interested in your view
and because I dislike the whole "let's agree to disagree" thing. That's too often used as a "I might be wrong, but I'm sticking with it anyway" kind of get-out-of-jail-free card. If we disagree, then at least one of us can probably learn something
 
Being wrong is hip.
 
I didn't say I have not learnt anything. I have at least learned that when you quote something, you should quote correctly, and make sure you've read the entire thing you're quoting part of.
 
@TonyTheLion I wasn't talking about that though
 
1:19 PM
@TonyTheLion Poor sucker. You'll never be a successful politician.
 
As long as there's disagreement, it means there's still room for one or both of us to learn something more
Which I think is a good thing
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't have any such aspirations, so I couldn't care less.
 
Space pens FTW
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You can buy those on the internet.
 
Once upon a time, I thought XSLT was cool. oh my ignorance....
@kbok yes, I've seen them around.
 
@TonyTheLion I thought Java was cool in the early 2000's
 
1:27 PM
@TonyTheLion it is kind of cool. It's horifically ugly and painful to work with, but conceptually, it is cool. It's unintentinoally turing-complete, and that's always cool!
 
It's OK to think something is cool when it's actually not cool.
It's not OK to work with it a few hundred hours, to suffer and fail, and to still think it's cool.
We're not psychics :)
 
Speak for yourself.
 
@jalf that's cool yes.
 
@TonyTheLion well, the Bible does say some absurd things (see the aforementioned bits about slavery and about women). The Quran has some similar bits ("Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other"). So yes, if you read those literally, I think it's fair to call them what I did. perhaps one of the other big religions does not say anything radically disagreeable, in which case I'll gladly admit I was wrong
 
@kbok wait, but Java devs?! :P
 
1:31 PM
and like I said, most people who claim to follow those religions are sensible enough to ignore the silly bits
I don't see how this would be considered prejudice
 
well, now that you elaborated
 
Back
By the looks of it, you guys just finished talking about religion, the conversation I started around an hour ago
 
@TonyTheLion See? That's why I don't like the "agree to disagree" thing. Usually, disagreement can be resolved, or at least understood. :)
 
@jalf :)
 
1:47 PM
Hmm, I should have learned how to say "I don't speak German" in German before.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a very useful phrase
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ich spreche kein Deutsch
anyways, you probably already knew that.
 
@TonyTheLion Saying it is an entirely different matter. "ch" is messy.
 
I know "ein bier, bitte" and "wo ist die toilette?"
 
1:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think most germans will recognize it regardless
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes huh, yea. I know what you mean.
 
It's one of those phrases where the more you mispronounce it, the better the meaning will come across ;)
 
I'm guessing for me it's easier than for you, seeing my native language has more relation to German than yours.
 
@jalf hahah. Do you speak German?
 
1:51 PM
@TonyTheLion Nope. But it's true for all languages ;)
 
@TonyTheLion The cool thing is that I'll finally be able to pronounce LaTeX.
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Did I get this part wrong about x being in scope in the derived class?
These name visibility rules are a bit messy sometimes.
 

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