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Ell
11:00 PM
I forgot, why doesn't the standard define ub as crashing and burning?
ioh wait Nvm
I'm especially slow today
 
Basically, that would imply detection of UB. If you are detecting it... why not just handle it gracefully?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm wondering whether it could be error code 5 for access denied (isn't \\?\PhysicalDevice0\... the windows hidden 'universal filesystem' syntax? it might be taking /? as such a path)
(disclaimer - making shit up from memory)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ~performance~
 
@CatPlusPlus What?
My point has nothing to do with that.
 
@CatPlusPlus if you are detecting it theres no performance overhead
 
11:02 PM
@CatPlusPlus goes to detecting, not handling
 
Not always, but there are cases that are UB just for the sake of being UB.
I don't know what your point is, I'm saying UB sucks.
 
you know
I've seen those "Stay at home mother makes X-ridiculous-sum-of-money, learn moar!" adverts for years.
but now I'm suddenly just so curious as to what's really behind them.
 
the world runs on UB
 
aright
 
11:05 PM
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, I suspected that.
 
feel free to shit on the current version right here.
 
you suck
 
@DeadMG Spluuuurt.
 
Oh god that introduction.
 
oh yeah
they were originally one proposal but then I rushed splitting them
the first bit's probably still got a bunch of unnecessary references
 
11:06 PM
It should be "The purpose of this proposal is to propose new interfaces of which purpose is to support I/O." tbh
 
yesterday, by Luc Danton
> The propose of this proposal is to propose
 
@DeadMG I've always assumed (A) pyramid schemes, (B) sales+commission
 
@MooingDuck Pyramid scheme is one of my bets too.
 
Why does windows let me make a window like 10px wider than my screen but no more?
 
@DeadMG "The purpose of this proposal is to propose" again?
 
11:08 PM
I could understand "same width as screen", but it lets me have that extra 10px which I find wierd.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Obviously not enough 'propose'. Too much 'purpose'.
 
@MooingDuck Probably only client area is restricted.
 
Oh gawd too much to read. I'm actually sleepy now.
 
Decorations are easily additional 10px
 
Sorry puppy, will check it tomorrow.
 
11:09 PM
tldr: iostreams suck
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The String one was a copy and paste of that one.
 
Ell
have any of you done xaml?
 
Yes. Good night.
 
btw, there has been at least one occasion over the last year that my (now) wife impersonated me on here. FYI.
 
eh
as if I'd stop posting hardcore porn just because it was your wife instead of you
 
11:13 PM
@MooingDuck Trying to pass your more embarrassing moments as impersonations hey? I don't buy it.
4
 
Or this one time when he wasn't..
:p
 
@BradLarson sorry bout that. I left my computer with that tab open and I guess my little brother is being annoying again — Cole Johnson 15 mins ago
I guess his little brother knows about Jon Skeet and C#.
 
rofl
 
My bullshit sense is tingling, though.
 
le tingling
 
11:17 PM
@MooingDuck Link!
 
So if MooingDuck is a male, what's the name of the female? Moos are for cows.. which are female..
 
obviously, QuackingCow.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't recall what she said/did, mostly just talked. didn't do anything memorable
@Rapptz Bulls don't moo?
 
@EtiennedeMartel wtf...
 
11:23 PM
@MooingDuck Have you ever heard a bull moo?
 
Ell
Damn
 
@Mysticial Yeah, probably not legit.
"Our differences unite us", says Barack Obama.
 
I wish letters were still handwritten sometimes.
Romney's currently winning.
 
No one is stopping you
 
11:29 PM
@Rapptz Must be the mass prayer
 
@kbok mega prayer FTFY romneymegaprayer.com
 
@Rapptz In Canada, laws prevent results from being shown as long as there are still polling stations open, so as to not influence the vote.
I always found the US situation weird.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Maybe those are live polls ?
 
You know, I thought that was a law too.
 
@kbok Maybe.
 
11:32 PM
@EtiennedeMartel The only states that really matter are in the east.
 
@sehe I know, I posted it here and on twitter :)
 
All the western states are pretty one-sided.
 
I heard 10% of the Tea Party members are supporting Obama, according to polls.
 
@Mysticial Not really.
 
With a couple of smaller exceptions.
 
11:32 PM
Luckily, the Wicked Witch was from the West
 
@Mysticial Except California.
 
Except a lot of states..
 
@EtiennedeMartel I mean like swing states.
 
i discovered what "export symbols" in the Visual Studio wizard for creating DLL project, does
 
Ohio is usually the big 'swing state'.
 
11:32 PM
Right.
 
Things are separated here in South/North, not West/East.
 
it's not documented, but I found it on the web
 
California is deep blue.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf create a .DEF file template?
 
it literally exports some symbols :-)(
 
11:33 PM
Most of the states west of the mississippi aren't swing states.
 
oh god i hate forums
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Isn't that for like, old C code or for old C++ code that doesn't imbue it in the .dll itself?
 
Or when you wanted to control what was 'visible' to the user of the dll by strictly setting up the .def file?
 
maybe. i'll be using a .def file anyway, since that's the only way to take control of the names
 
11:35 PM
Hm.
The only reason I'm guessing it's legacy because I have a DLL project and it only makes a .dll, as well as a .lib and a .exp for linking. No .def's show up. :c
 
@ThePhD .defs are used for exporting, iirc.
 
there's a bug in the wizard where you can't turn off precompiled headers for DLL type project
 
TGALoader down... what other texture formats are useful?
 
that really bugs me
 
@EtiennedeMartel I heard 100% of Americans are idiots.
 
11:38 PM
@Chimera Yeah, that sounds right.
 
That includes you though, doesn't it? And me.
 
@Chimera I would argue with this, but, unfortunately, I am an idiot. :c
 
@Chimera don't believe them. It's Russian propaganda
 
@EtiennedeMartel :-)
@Rapptz I'm the idiot in Chief in the US. :-)
 
The real problem are the lizardmen.
 
11:39 PM
@Chimera that's an exaggeration
 
INTRODUCING: the lizardmen
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Just a little.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf No shit, Sherlock.
 
@Chimera Sounds like something an idiot would say :P
 
Ell
11:40 PM
@chimera haven't you matured. was it you that made a fuss when we all.made USA jokes? ;)
 
@Rapptz Reminds me about that article I read about the "Angry South" and how they really are reacting differently from the rest of the US.
 
@Ell That was me. :-)
 
The South has always been a bit crazy.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf probably around 2200% of Americans are idiots: wolframalpha.com/input/…
 
@Rapptz How so?
 
11:41 PM
Bible belt.
 
Ell
@chimera feel perfectly free to refuse, but may I ask your religious views?
 
Ell
well, religion
 
@sehe What does that ratio show? How many Americas you can fit in the world?
 
@Ell Well, I consider myself to have some Christian views and values, but I'm not really much into dogma.
@Rapptz Yeah, I knew that would be the answer. :-)
 
11:43 PM
@Rapptz wut? Is your internet broken? It says it right there on the tin! The number of times the population of USA divides the world population.
 
There's this great album called The Dirty South by the Drive-By Truckers.
 
This thing always cracks me up.
 
@Chimera So did you vote?
 
@Rapptz I did.
 
Cool. Me too.
 
11:45 PM
I figure it's my civic duty and privilege.
 
15 min. till we get to see anything
 
May I ask who you voted for?
 
I didn't vote.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Where's that from again ?
 
@kbok Fallout.
 
11:46 PM
I'm from a deep blue state, so it wouldn't have mattered.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sure. Romney.
 
Plus I'd have to deal with absentee balloting.
 
Intriguing. But okay.
 
@Chimera What state?
 
@EtiennedeMartel That probably wasn't a surprise to you though?
@Mysticial Nevada
 
11:47 PM
@Mysticial Delusion :)
 
@Chimera That's a swing state. :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, yeah, F3 right ?
 
@Mysticial It leans pretty heavy towards Obama.
 
@Rapptz When you load in textures to your game, what format do you save them on disk as?
 
@kbok I think the NCR started in F2.
 
11:48 PM
@Chimera It's usually a red state. But 2008 it went blue for some reason. I haven't been following much, but is it still leaning towards Obama?
 
I must haven't paid enough attention then.
 
@ThePhD I haven't dealt with textures yet.
 
@kbok Shady Sands? That's their capital.
 
Ah. Nevermind then.
 
@Chimera so what appeal does Romney have then? I'm just curious
 
11:49 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Oh yeah, it comes back :)
 
He's White.
 
as a European that strikes me as odd that Romney appeals to anyone at all
@Rapptz WTF
 
Not saying that's why Chimera voted for him.
 
50 Shades of Sand
Sandy Shakes
... sorry
 
That's actually a reason for people.
 
11:49 PM
that's just plain racist
 
@Rapptz And "He's a business man"
 
@TonyTheLion I believe he is likely to do a better job than Obama did and I don't like Obama's record.
@Rapptz Not many.
 
Ell
Romney looks better on the economics side of thing right?
 
Evangelical christians are likely to vote for Romney I think.
 
11:50 PM
I've seen the white excuse the 2nd most after "a business man"
 
@Chimera I'm sure Romney would break Obama's record. Shatter, really. Sadly, it will take some years for people to realize it
 
@Chimera hmmm.
 
Ell
he's all about reducing the deficit?
 
@Ell With a mathematically impossible solution, yes.
 
@sehe I'm pretty sure that Romney won't actually do any better, he'll do worse at most, I would dare say.
 
11:51 PM
What is 'Obama's Record'?
 
@Ell Mostly because he has Ryan as his VP. But since Ryan believes in trickle down, then it means people in the middle class who vote for Romney are actually voting against their own interests.
 
@TonyTheLion I basically am for smaller, more efficient less wasteful government, and I believe (hope) Romney will work in that direction.
 
Ell
well they aren't supposed to vote for their own interest
 
Trickle-down is the worst economic theory I've ever heard of in my entire life.
 
Ell
they are supposed to vote for the common benefits
of everyone
 
11:52 PM
@TonyTheLion Could be. My bets are that things will improve at a faster rate under Romney/Ryan.
 
@ThePhD It reminds me of urine.
 
@Rapptz That, and sloshy diarhhea.
 
@ThePhD The one @Chimera didn't like? Also, note I'm stringing bad puns for fun and education
@Chimera cough. I'll see you in 4 years
 
@sehe Where do you live?
 
@ThePhD The totality of what he has done in his 4 your term.
 
11:53 PM
@Chimera The economy will. The big companies will be happier.
@ThePhD The Netherlands :). So I'm impartial - lol
 
@sehe Meaning?
 
@Chimera That's the thing. Smaller government means less taxes, but fewer public services. Which means it's good for those who pay lots of taxes but don't care about services (i.e. the rich) and bad for everybody else.
 
I knew I was going to be completely in the minority as soon as I divulged my views.
 
(I'm slightly exaggerating because we all know the rich don't pay that much taxes already)
 
No need to be attacked for disclosing your vote.
 
@EtiennedeMartel NO! For me it means a government that helps more people and wastes less money.
 
I'm not attacking, I just like that video.
 
@EtiennedeMartel look at Romney's tax record.
 
I should go to the Netherlands.
 
11:55 PM
@Chimera Depends on how you define "help".
 
Imagine if presidential elections allowed downvoting.
 
@Chimera If it is of any consolation, you'd have been in precisely the same minority had you chosen not to :)
 
Still, you voted, and that's great.
 
@Mysticial I would vote twice as hard if I could downvote.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's easy to lean on the stereotypes of the differences between the parties.
 
11:55 PM
@EtiennedeMartel that's true
 
@ThePhD Erm. How so? You think it is going well here?
 
-1 You suck.
 
@sehe Lol that's true.
 
-1 Noob, fix economy better.
 
@Chimera Hey, I don't like the Democrats either. Far too on the right for my tastes.
 
11:56 PM
Downvote ALL THE PRESIDENTS
 
@EtiennedeMartel I wish America was more left leaning.
 
most of Europe is democrat, afaik
 
-1 wtf obama y my taxes wet up by 2 per sent wtf lul
 
-1 Not enough Blackberry.
 
lol
> ( 72/130) installing linux
 
11:57 PM
@TonyTheLion Don't think so. I think most countries lean more to the left than the US democrats
 
I think Keynes was on to something. And I think neoclassical economics are way too much built on abstract mathematical models and not enough on actual facts.
 
@EtiennedeMartel The rich actually pay the largest portion of taxes. I mean, in Holland, it was like the top 10% pay 80% of total taxes. Of course, that's the morbid thing. The top 10% basically own the nation. I'e seen fairly similar figures for the US
 
The arch installer sure has been streamlined ;)
 
@sehe The top % does not pay 80% here, not even remotely close.
 
@ThePhD I'd be more than happy to pay 40% more in taxes if it was used wisely and helped the largest number of people possible. But unfortunately history has shown that the USA government can't run a single large program without going into deficit.
 
11:57 PM
@sehe Paying taxes doesn't mean you own the nation.
 
@sehe As I've said multiple times, the thing with taxes is not how much you pay, but how much you have left afterwards. The rich could pay even more more taxes and still live quite comfortably.
 
I was paying 60% in taxes in Belgium, I don't qualify as rich in even the remotest sense of the word
 
> From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
So many years later, Karl Marx is still right.
 
@StackedCrooked Not in Europe, no
 
yet some of the very rich in Belgium pay hardly any taxes
now Romney wants to promote that in the US.
 
11:59 PM
@sehe I would like to hope so. Just being so far north but being called 'Netherlands' makes me feel like it's a place of Great Paradox. And where there are Paradoxes there are Possibilities.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Rich people pay about 60% taxes in Belgium. It's true that they have a lot left, however, I can imagine it must be painful to see how much you have to give away.
 
for all I care, he can go suck a huge cock
 
I pay 40% in theory, although in practice it's closer to 30% since it's progressive.
 
For me taxes are actually the maximum amount of money you can be forced to pay before you think of leaving the country.
 
How do you guys do your taxes in Europe?
 
11:59 PM
I am dangerously near this limit
 
1 min ago, by Tony The Lion
I was paying 60% in taxes in Belgium, I don't qualify as rich in even the remotest sense of the word
 
@StackedCrooked Wasn't there a fallacy about that?
 

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