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6:00 PM
Hmm, the USGov sent my ballot to my old address and I didn't notice in time, so now I can't vote :(
 
@MooingDuck :O Got it.
 
user1174868
@MooingDuck You can't go to a voting location?
 
@MooingDuck what's a ballot?
 
@Jordan my county apparently doesn't have voting locations.
 
user1174868
An official form to vote on
 
6:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes "voting form"
 
WTF. You'll have to excuse me, but when it comes to voting, you guys look like a bunch of retards.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes seriously
@R.MartinhoFernandes It doesn't help that each county has their own complete set of rules
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's worse than the UK and plumbing :D
 
@MooingDuck "county"?
Wow.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes smaller than state, bigger than city
 
6:04 PM
I have no words.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The fief of a count, obviously.
 
@MooingDuck Does that mean the people living at your old place can vote for you now?
 
@cHao, I have imported the gnu project in VS after all.. simply created a blank project, added files and it worked! :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think so, I think they need my SSN to prove it's me
 
Ell
6:05 PM
Whooos gunna win?
 
user1174868
For voting in my state you don't even need an ID, all you do is say your name, address and sign a sheet
 
I urge you to go out there and vote! Unless are going to vote for the guy I don't like, in which case stay the fuck home - it's cold outside
 
user1174868
Obama is going to win for sure, romney has a very, very low chance right now
 
Ell
well that's good/bad.
 
@Jordan Is also what I've been hearing.
 
6:06 PM
@Ell Obama
 
@Ell And if Romney would win, would it be bad/good?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes indeed it would be
 
@Jordan I guess in a country where you rarely get more than 40% of the population to actually vote, it's hard to predict reliably
 
user1174868
The only real difference if Romney won would be a stop to Obamacare
 
@Ell elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map expects that Obama will get 277-347 electoral votes, and Romney will get 191-261 electoral votes. 270 are needed to win.
 
6:07 PM
@jalf Ow, that's bad.
 
if a few more people get off their asses and vote, or if a few more people get their ballot sent to the wrong address, it could change the result
 
Ell
@Jordan and gay marriage and abortions and ivf and...
 
user1174868
@Jalf yeah and polling is really hard anyways in a country this size, you can't go door to door, you can't call house phones becuase only older people own one, you can't do it online because those are never accurate
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Cracked says the figure isn't very representative, but it's Cracked.
 
Ell
@Jordan why don't you just have polling stations?
 
6:08 PM
@LucDanton WTF, why did you go fact check that on Cracked?
 
user1174868
@Ell None of that would be up to him personally but I do believe that he would appoint supreme court justices that would be far more conservatiive
 
user1174868
@ell We do but I meant for pre election polls
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't fact check anything, I have them in my feeds for the funnies.
 
@LucDanton Ah, ok.
 
They tend to be topical so.
 
6:08 PM
For a moment there I was getting worried.
 
@Jordan how does that work btw? Are new ones just elected when the old ones retire, or how is it determined when to pick new ones?
 
Ell
does the US have a "house of lords"?
 
@Ell we have a "house of representatives" and a "senate"
 
The Senate is the Upper house (like a house of Lords usually is).
 
This strawberry jam would be so much better if it didn't include actual chunks of strawberry.
 
Ell
6:13 PM
I like the strawberry
 
Cool, I can mail the chunks to you if you want.
 
Can't wait for consumer-grade 3D food printers. I would download a cake.
3
 
@LucDanton What would those things be fueled by?
 
Not sure it would be tasty though
 
user1174868
@jalf They serve for life basically so when they can't serve anymore the president alone points new ones
 
6:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Chunks of strawberries?
 
Ell
clang is pretty awesome
 
user1174868
oops
 
@LucDanton That sounds great. I have no use for chunks of strawberry.
 
user1174868
I am wrong, the president nominates and the senate approves
 
Ell
@LucDanton you can print chocolate with a reprap iirc
 
6:15 PM
 
@Ell I added 'consumer-grade' to be more explicit!
 
Ell
what does consumer grade count as? Reprap is very affordable
 
@jalf not in my state
 
Ell
hmm. I'm a little confused. Is it possible to call a function that takes an int without passing an int?
 
No.
 
Ell
6:18 PM
how about casting it to a void() function pointer? would that be UB?
 
@Ell I'm trying to understand the thought process behind such a question. Unless the function has a default parameter?
@Ell yes
 
Ell
I think that is what's happening then
 
I'd be surprised if there was a conversion to void(*)(). If there is a cast well then it's your problem.
 
This does sound like XY.
 
6:19 PM
@Ell C++ has type safety to make it hard to do stupid stuff like that
 
Ell
I'm interfacing with gobject, the C library :S
 
So... what is the actual problem you're solving?
 
Ell
I'm trying to wrap gobject signals with boost::signal
 
You should ask "why" five times.
Why ? Why ? Why ? Why ? Why ?
 
@Ell It's amazingly hard to find a definition for 'consumer-grade' on the interwebs. Anyway cost isn't the only consideration.
 
6:21 PM
lol
There's a sex.h Oo
 
Ell
^this call takes a void (*GCallback) (void); as a callback
It looks like a void fp but I really can't read function pointer syntax well :L
 
Yeah, it's the pointer equivalent to gpointer aka void*. You must restore it to the correct function pointer type before calling.
 
Ell
else it's UB?
 
With C++ you should dispense with that dance altogether and store the original, correct signature.
 
Ell
Yeah
 
6:23 PM
@kbok What?
 
touch sex.h
 
Ell
lolololol
 
@LucDanton hehe
@R.MartinhoFernandes In our project's directory, there's a sex.h
 
Do I want to know the contents?
I am having recollection of a certain TDWTF
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Users load up the printer's syringes with raw food -- anything with a liquid consistency, like soft chocolate, will work. The ingredient-filled syringes will then "print" icing on a cupcake. Or it'll print something more novel (i.e., terrifying) -- like domes of turkey on a cutting board."
 
6:25 PM
Not much
 
Some 2011 article about a 3D food printer.
 
#ifndef SEX_H
#define SEX_H
#include "lib/mef/runtime/h/runtime.fwd.h"

#include "lib/equity/se/se/h/se_root_key.fwd.h"
#include "lib/equity/se/se/h/se_sheet.fwd.h"

FPUBLIC MISHORT eqSeRootKCrossCopy(seEXT_ROOT_K * pxDest, seROOT_K * pxSource);
FPUBLIC MISHORT eqSeRootKCopy(seEXT_ROOT_K * pxDest, seEXT_ROOT_K * pxSource);
#endif
 
S-expressions extensions?
 
Four weeks left...
 
Is there a performance difference between using C++ and ++C? — new123456 Jun 26 '11 at 1:53
lol
 
6:30 PM
@kbok Where are you going after that?
 
Ell
@LucDanton I think a toast engraver would be quite consumer level. One that burns on todays weather for example
 
@EtiennedeMartel To his coffin-
 
@EtiennedeMartel Some event software startup
 
They have a kind of digital concert ticket system, but for private events.
 
6:32 PM
5
A: What is the advantage of breaking a code into several small functions in C++?

John DiblingEdit Credit for this mnemonic goes to the commenters in the OP. Breaking big functions up in to several smaller ones can lead to MURDER! Which, in this case, might be a good thing. :) M - Maintainability. Smaller, simpler functions are easier to maintain. U - Understandability. Simpl...

awesome
 
So there's the scanner which uses iOS, the server side stuff, and a lot of integration work because their clients are fucking rich and want taillored stuff
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I found an online copy of the form. All they need is to sign that they're me. So yes, they could vote for me :(
 
@Ell I don't want to print on food! I want to print food! (I reserve my right to recant if the food isn't tasty enough and/or gives cancer.)
 
@MooingDuck Oh. FFS. Did I mention you guys are retards?
Seriously.
I'm speechless.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why do you think so many of us want the goverment's hands out of healthcare?
 
6:34 PM
@LucDanton Just download a recipe and make the cake yourself?
 
Ell
ahh dang I have a lump under my skin and no idea what it is. just thought I'd inform you all because I'm sure you want to know
 
Don't worry, we'll avenge your death.
 
@Ell A friend of mine had that once. Died after three days.
 
@FredOverflow No oven.
 
I'm joking. Just in case.
 
Ell
6:35 PM
Ahh I believe it is my piano lesson
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes A friend of mine died three days before noticing the lump even.
 
@Ell You have a piano lesson under your skin?
 
@Ell You have your piano lesson under your skin?
 
Ell
haha that would certainly be interesting :L
 
6:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It seems we are kindred spirits. Am I a robot, too?
 
Mediocre minds think alike.
 
that oneboxes awful big... what if I link one of the gigantic xkcd's?
to the sandbox!
 
WTF, somebody replaced "bullschildt" with "Jon Skeet and C#"?
 
@FredOverflow I rolled back.
 
lolwut
@JimONeil I have used C# and I like Skeet, but being able to manually manage pointers and all that low level stuff is what makes C++ the choice for me. Granted, when writing a .NET DLL, I will use C# because C++/CLR has some features that C# doesn't (pointers). That could cause problems with someone who uses it in a C# app — Cole Johnson 2 hours ago
 
6:44 PM
That's not a valid reason to edit his propaganda into my answers.
 
That's not a valid anything.
> I will use C# because C++/CLR has some features that C# doesn't (pointers).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes C# has pointers. And it's C++/CLI.
And the correct term for "DLL", when used in the context of .NET, is "assembly".
 
Yeah, I knew that comment had a high crap/word ratio.
 
And I'm not even talking about his apparent love for pointers.
 
@FredOverflow Btw, I flagged your answer for mod attention about the edit.
 
6:47 PM
@EtiennedeMartel But he doesn't use the thing that has the pointers (according to himself)!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So mods can shut him down?
 
Hmm, the successor of VS2012 will be VS12.
@FredOverflow So mods are aware, in case it happens again or something. I don't think that kind of behaviour is acceptable.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, I keep getting confused
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He's probably drunk or depressed.
 
@ColeJohnson C# has pointers. And the whole "modern C++" thing is trying to get as far away as possible from pointers and low level stuff. For more details, come to the Lounge, we'll brainwash you. — Etienne de Martel 6 secs ago
I like attracting new troll victims.
 
6:53 PM
Sigh.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Why would you do that!
 
It's the teacher in me, you know.
 
s/teacher/asshole/
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
6:54 PM
Tsk tsk.
 
@EtiennedeMartel nice :)
 
@LucDanton He wants to make us miserable!
 
@MooingDuck because you (the country's population as a whole, not you specifically) are dreadfully afraid of change and of anything that might disprove your prejudices and petty arrogance and which might challenge your deeply selfish lookout...?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Leave your private business between consenting adults out of this.
 
@jalf Love the lack of commas (no sarcasm).
 
6:55 PM
@jalf I think it has less to do with change and the governments complete inadequacy at handling many normal tasks.
 
@MooingDuck We got public healthcare in Canada. Works pretty well.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Your government also works better than ours
 
@EtiennedeMartel His point is that you don't have the US government.
 
@MooingDuck Then fix the government.
 
@EtiennedeMartel But change!
 
6:56 PM
@EtiennedeMartel right. We're working on that. But that has to happen before the healthcare
 
Fix the school system while you're at it. Way too many people are still watching Fox News.
 
@MooingDuck maybe your government would work better if people actually entrusted it with the means to actually do anything
 
@EtiennedeMartel problem is we have two parties attempting to screw the other's plans more than advancing their own plans.
 
If I had sixty thousand pounds in my pocket I'd buy this baby: bonhams.com/press_release/11706
 
I think the whole "American exceptionalism" thing might be another problem.
 
6:58 PM
@EtiennedeMartel right now we're losing a war at keeping the 6-day creation thing out of the science textbooks.
 
@MooingDuck but also that neither party dares to even plan to advance anything, because they know they'll get shouted down by people saying "it can't be done, and if it can, it shouldn't be done by the government"
 
@jalf self-fulfilling prophecy, yes
 
Conservatives are silly, though. "The government should stay out of people's lives, except if said people are gay or women".
 
@EtiennedeMartel you mean like "things are different for us, so there's no point in even looking at solutions invented elsewhere"?
 
@jalf Yep.
 
7:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel A lot of Americans want to get out of and stay out of those other countries, that attitude is changing right now.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Or if Sandy comes.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I think that is the biggest problem
 
Many times, I see people (mostly conservatives, weird eh) say "X doesn't work", while X has been working quite well for a while now in other countries.
 
true
 
The US is so unique that even their problems require unique solutions.
 
7:02 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not certain it's a purely conservative affliction, but they do seem especially prone to dismissing all the facts and figures you can find if they don't fit their world-view
 
Any time there's a discussion about public transport in the US 'well, those countries are densely populated so it's easier' comes up and that's the end of it. I don't take part in those discussions but if I did, I wouldn't know how to react to that tbh.
 
@LucDanton at least in that particular case, there's a kind of logic to it. It gets worse when the same argument is trotted out to justify the US' neolithic broadband speeds
 
@jalf and prices
 
because Australia has an infinitely lower population density, and yet they've got far better broadband coverage
 
7:04 PM
@MooingDuck Neolithic prices? Haha, you wish!
 
@LucDanton Oh hell, we got decent public transport (although a bit expensive) in Quebec, and we got 7 million people living in a territory that's three times the size of France.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guessed what "neolithic" meant. Apparently I guessed wrong. Googling
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol, that's less than us.
 
@jalf Kind of, sort of, not really logic, yeah.
 
@MooingDuck It's a pre-historic period.
 
7:05 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes makes sense. I was very wrong
 
It means "new stone".
 
for the record, now that my wife and I share a phone plan, my bill went up. I now pay $150/mo for our two cell phones. (~117.1692 euros)
 
@MooingDuck Texting and Data? Yeah, they'll get that way
Who's your provider?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Guiana and all? That's mighty big! Or just metropolitan?
 
7:06 PM
@Collin we just switched from Verizon to AT&T because they're cheaper.
 
Guiana is not that big.
 
@MooingDuck Yeah, we switched to T-Mobile from Verizon, but my wife and I stayed on the same plan with my parents, so that saves us some monies
 
@Collin T-Mobile is terrible. Good for you for getting out.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well altogether the only bigger thingies this side of the Urals are Russia (duh) and Ukraine.
 
@MooingDuck He didn't get out, he got in.
 
7:08 PM
@MooingDuck No, no, I mean I have them now. I've actually not been disappointed
 
@LucDanton Bigger than Guiana?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oops
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 'and all', 'altogether', so no.
 
@Collin I tried to change my mailing address with them once. My text messages were delayed for about 6 months. Including notifications of past due bills.
 
7:09 PM
@LucDanton Metropolitan.
1,542,056 km² for Quebec, vs 551,695 km² for metropolitan France.
 
7 million is like three Lyons. How do you manage to meet other people?
 
The trick is that roughly half of that lives in or around Montreal.
 
int test(std::function<int(int)> f = [](int i){return i;}) interesting
 
@Zoidberg'-- ordered the lumia already?
 
7:13 PM
Also std::function argument :(
 
@EtiennedeMartel heh, I come from Alaska. 1,717,854 km2. pop 722,718. (0.49/km2)
 
@MooingDuck Not bad.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Whats wrong with that?
 
@Luc where's that thing I'm supposed to link to now :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't work on it this week end and I don't remember why.
 
7:18 PM
@EtiennedeMartel countries lower are Falkland Islands (UK), Greenland (Denmark), and Svalbard and Jan Mayen (Norway) (not that Alaska is a country)
 
Probably vidya games.
 
1 message moved to bin
oh wait... I just realized that the picture was in response to that... lol
 
lol it's ok at least I had time to delete it, it would have looked silly otherwise
 
Ell
hello all
 
7:21 PM
Pop density of USA: 31.7 p/km^2
Pop density of contiguous USA: 37.9 p/km^2
Alaska+Hawaii makes a big difference :D
 
17
A: why do not lambda functions in C++0x/C++11 have function<> types?

R. Martinho Fernandesstd::function is a tool useful to store any kind of callable object regardless of its type. In order to do this it needs to employ some type erasure technique, and that involves some overhead. Any callable can be implicitly converted to a std::function, and that's why it usually works seamlessly...

 
@user1786283 Please read the newbie hints.
 
Luc's writing a better more complete treatment of the subject, but this is, I think, the best I have right now.
 
@MooingDuck You mean Alaska makes the difference. :P
 
@Mysticial Hawaii makes little difference but was included in the noted statistics, so to be fair...
 
7:23 PM
lol
If anything, Hawaii skews it upwards.
Since I believe it's more dense than the lower 48.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The OCD in my requests this title be changed to "why do lambda functions in C++0x/C++11 not have function<> types?
 
Xeo
@Borgleader Drop the C++0x
 
@Xeo Do it :P
 
Xeo
Meh, you got the 5min edit grace period. Go. :P
 
7:26 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm assuming he has to approve the edit?
 
Xeo
Nope
 
@Borgleader Don't you have full edit privileges already?
Or is that at 3k?
 
Xeo
You got >2k rep, as such no approval needed.
 
Done.
 
Results coming in for US Presidential election: looks like a landslide win for Democratic President Roosevelt. http://t.co/z735YRxS
 
Xeo
7:29 PM
LOL
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lmao
 
I'm voting for the Silly Party
 
@EtiennedeMartel "Since when has democracy ever been about knowing what you're doing?" Really?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hah! I like the excuses that dont suck section.
 
7:35 PM
That's what they have to say against "I'm Not Well Enough Informed"?
That excuse suckage justification sucks.
 
@EtiennedeMartel First impression is that it's kinda bad.
 
> You are dead
 
Bad, bad. Not funny bad.
 
"You are a dead, 12-year-old, non-citizen convicted felon in Florida, Iowa, Kentucky, or Virginia and did not register to vote"
xD
 
Wait. Not being registered to vote is a valid excuse?
 
7:38 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes For today, for the next election, no
 
@Borgleader beat me too it
 
Actually, you might even be able to cast a provisional ballot either way?
 
I don't buy the counterargument about "my vote doesn't matter in my state".
 
@EtiennedeMartel Haha, if they aren't voting it's because they weren't going to vote, not because they're too busy playing Halo 4
 
7:40 PM
"There's a word for someone who only participates if they know they can win: asshole" What about for people who won't participate if they know they will lose? Competing only really makes sense if you don't know who will win.
 
You're not competing, are you?
 
@Collin Fuck... I'm so gonna get that when I go home for TG.
 
@MooingDuck "My vote doesn't matter in my state" is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there's a competition. I know who will win, weather or not I put forth effort. Why put forth effort?
 
@Mysticial TG?
 
7:41 PM
I took my Xbox home since I didn't think I was every gonna play it school.
@Collin Thanksgiving.
 
I don't even...
 
If nothing else, there's local elections that may matter to you
 
Ell
Can someone explain to me what thanksgiving is? Is it christmas for americans?
 
@jalf wtf...
@Ell It's just another holiday.
 
@Ell No it's not xmas. Its another holiday
 
7:42 PM
@Borgleader only if many people change their minds and vote. Those arguments don't apply to single people.
 
@Ell No, it's supposed to symbolize harmony and stuff with the native americans.. you know, before we killed them all and took their land
 
Ell
just an arbitrarily chosen holiday?
 
@Ell It has some history to it. But in the end, it's just another holiday.
 
@MooingDuck Fine I should of said collective self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
I mean, incompetence is universal, surely, but at least here, there's some kind of understanding that for elections, we shouldn't leave the implementation details up to complete morons
 
7:43 PM
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@Borgleader so convince the collective, and then I'll vote
 
@Ell Also an excuse to eat a gigantic amount of food and watch football
 
@MooingDuck I'm the collectives leader remember? :P
 
@jalf this is the US government
 
7:44 PM
cough Borg collective cough
 
The more I hang out here. The more I realize how fucked up my country is...
3
 
@Mysticial lol
 
@MooingDuck except it isn't. It's local hobos screwing up their county's election
 
@Mysticial Come to Canada we have.... maple syrup?
 
@jalf alright, so our state and local governments are even worse
 
7:45 PM
If anything, it's a perfect reason why the US government should just lay down hard rules of "how to conduct an election"
 
I honestly can't understand how it can be otherwise.
 
Ell
I like maple syrup <3
 
> security researcher Ashkan Soltani notes that Durkin's Hotmail address has his mother's maiden name as a "password recovery" question.
lol
 
lololololol
 
I guess what I don't understand (in this particular context) is how it appears that in the US, officials just don't care about the election. Here, it'd practically be some kind of sacrilege to be sloppy around an election, to do anything that might prevent the result from being verifiable, or to do anything that might jeopardize voters' anonymity, but in the US?
"Oh, we've got a good deal on some defective E-voting machines? We'll buy them all!" "Oh, getting people to a voting station is going to be challenging? Don't worry, they can just email me"
 
7:50 PM
> They should just have used facebook likes on the candidate they wanted
 
@jalf half that state is underwater
@jalf they didn't realize how underwater it would be
 
@MooingDuck Yeah, sure, but even so, a hotmail account?
 
@jalf he was not part of the election process, he should not have been involved in any way. He was a nominee, wasn't he?
 
an "election official", apparently
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what the hell...
 
7:52 PM
"Essex County Clerk", so I'm mistaken, there's no excuse
 
ah, county clerk
but anyway, even if he had been a nominee who was just nosy, I think that too would have illustrated my point. That "it's no big deal" if the rules aren't followed. "I'll just pop in and help ferry some votes from A to B" It's just something I couldn't imagine happening here
Not because people here are less incompetent or less stupid, but because there's seemingly a whole different level of respect and, well, importance, around elections. Incompetence is for other occasions, like buying overpriced defective trains or neglecting to maintain critical infrastructure, or spending billions on IT projects which end up being cancelled
 
@jalf actually, it's legal here, as long as they're unopened :/
 
Well.
 
guys
Where is the '#' on apple keyboards ?
 
@kbok Depends. On my keyboard it's Shift+3.
 
7:56 PM
@MooingDuck Couldn't they just hold the election next week or something?
It's a fucking hurricane for Finagle's sake.
 
@kbok "option/alt + 3"
 
@EtiennedeMartel Is it a Mac ? Because in my VM it makes a pound.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, deadline isn't until December AFAIK
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes remember we're talking about a country whose supreme court decided that actually ensuring that the votes were all counted was unnecessary. ;)
 
@kbok Weird.
 
7:57 PM
@MooingDuck Thanks
 
@LucDanton And truly.
 
Okay, I lost 20 minutes to a #. Keeping you posted.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes deadline is December 11, 2012.
 
@jalf Oh. That. Would you please stop making me want to facepalm?
 
@kbok Correction: you lost 20 minutes to an Apple
 
7:58 PM
@sehe an apple a day keeps the # key away?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes no wait, I found it. "Federal law sets the Tuesday following the first Monday in November as the day for holding federal elections."
 
With no leeway?
I would expect that if shit hit fan, like, you know, getting half a state underwater, the elections could wait a bit.
 
btw, how common is it in other countries to have such a fixed election date? We don't have it here, so I'm curious how it's handled elsewhere
 
@MooingDuck oh the subtle difference between 'Tuesday following the first Monday" and "first Tuesday". Someone must have had an awesome time bragging about that one
 
@sehe That's also a correct statement
 

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