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2:02 PM
 
Lol
 
sbi
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: 'tis might fine weather for flags. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
Always lovely timing coming into the room.
 
Ell
lol
 
@sbi mighty?
 
sbi
2:12 PM
@KonradRudolph Damn. I should never copy/paste something from @thecosh. I had already fixed another one, but I didn't see this error.
Watch out, table's gonna come flying about...
Well, I'm outta here now. See you!
 
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A: QTreeWidget editItem fails with "edit: editing failed"

NilsStepping through it in the debugger reveals the following: In quabstractitemview.cpp line false is returned on line 3953. Somehow it looks like your item is still in editing state and you are trying to edit it again or something. bool QAbstractItemViewPrivate::shouldEdit(QAbstractItemView::Edit...

Please upvote @Nils, he's worked quite hard to help me.
 
gah, people claiming on SO that C++ is easy
 
@Drise Done.
@KonradRudolph Who claims that?
 
@KonradRudolph where?
 
@KonradRudolph rubbish, its not that bad. Its slightly more difficulty to learn than C# or Java, what with all their interfaces and properties and so on. Where you might be correct is thinking its difficult to learn everything (ie all the super advanced features) of C++ as there is a lot of pretty amazing stuff you can do with it, but 99% of coders don't need to learn that, not at first anyway. — gbjbaanb 55 mins ago
 
2:18 PM
@Neil :D
 
Runtime polymorphism (virtual) + compile time polymorphism (templates) + STL. And it allows you to do any of that stuff. And it's really easy. I don't know why people complain that it's hard. Just read a few books, like Effective C++, C++ Programming and Practice, everything will clear up. — Coder 44 mins ago
“really easy” apparently
 
Xeo
@KonradRudolph Is it not? :P
 
Well if it’s so easy then why do most people write so incredibly crappy C++ code?!
 
Xeo
C++ is easy - easy to misuse :)
 
C++ is probably the hardest mainstream programming language
 
Xeo
2:20 PM
@KonradRudolph Bad education?
 
@Xeo Bad education.
 
@Xeo Sure, but that’s a symptom
 
Xeo
Let them learn the right stuff from the beginning, and most things will come across as easy
 
C++ has too much quirks.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why all the underscores in the identifiers? bitbucket.org/martinhofernandes/ogonek/src/bfead40811d0/include/…
 
2:22 PM
A language is flawed if it is not easy to teach. Period.
 
@R The “conventional” schema would certainly be something akin to the Microsoft schema, i.e. CjkCompatIdeographsSup etc., no?
 
C++ is easy to teach when you do it the right way, it just has too many potential pits to fall in.
 
Xeo
@KonradRudolph Official naming?
 
@Neil But there’s a difference between flawed and hard. PHP is flawed and easy.
 
Too much fucking quirks.
 
2:23 PM
@Xeo Including underscores?
 
Xeo
I... think so?
 
Sure, C++ is (mostly) easy enough once you know it. The problem is that you have to climb a fairly steep hill to get to the point where it's easy
 
@KonradRudolph Bro, seriously, variableNamesShouldBeCamelCase. /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
(Speaking to my tea bag:) “Brownian motion, why did you betray me?!”
(the tea was only infused at the bottom of the cup …)
@Drise PascalCase (actually, I prefer all_lower_case_with_underscores)
 
@KonradRudolph I agree. I didn't say every flawed language was hard. Doesn't flow both directions.
 
2:25 PM
@KonradRudolph My ring finger dislikes you.
 
Haskell can be hard to teach because of high level and ever-present mathematical abstractions, and it's muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch less flawed than C++.
 
@Drise Uhm … wrong chat?!
;)
 
Ell
How does anyone have the will power to complete any project? In any programming language?
 
Deadlines. Money.
 
@Ell either find someone who'll pay you for it, or pick a suitable small project
 
2:26 PM
Lack of money because of deadlines.
 
@Ell No, it’s my one fucking weakness
 
@KonradRudolph You lost me :/
 
@Drise It’s the standard C++ naming convention …
 
@KonradRudolph I've always been taught from numerous sources it's m_iInteger, etc
But _ is a horrible character to use in variable names.
 
@Drise and szString?
the C++ standard uses lowercase_with_underscores
 
2:28 PM
My position stands regardless.
 
but C++ has never had a single commonly agreed upon naming convention, so lots of people have been taught by lots of other people to use a different convention
and there's nothing in the C++ standard saying that developers are recommended to use the same naming convention as the standard does either
 
@Drise Well overall I still find it the most readable. I would normally prefer PascalCase but since keywords are all lowercase, this just destroys the visual “sentence structure”
 
@sbi it's part of the accent clearly, all southern Mercan like
@sbi and who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool?
 
is it possible to be more foolish than a fool?
I'd have thought it maxed out at 100% fool
 
@jalf indeed, a rich man can be more rich then a rich man, can he not?
 
2:34 PM
Russians can be 140% foolish... just fyi
 
@jalf Advanced C++ is mothafuckin' tuples. Advanced C# is more libraries.
 
Does C++11 have a parsing/stringify capability for enum classes? Or is it still not possible without further effort to retrieve a value depending on a string?
 
@KonradRudolph hm, I wonder if lexical_cast can do it for you
 
Ell
maybe c++ is difficult because it sucks.
 
@jalf never underestimate the power of human stupidity - heinlein
 
2:35 PM
@Ell shut your mouth!
 
@Ell It doesn't.
 
@Ell It doesn't suck. It solves problems ... eventually. Regardless, the cross platform-ness of C++ is a major perk that none of .NET can match.
 
    __if_exists (T::GetPacketLength)
    {
        return data.GetPacketLength();
    }
    return sizeof(T);
^ C++ Y U NO VC++ ?
 
Apparently variable != null can raise NullPointerException.
Fuck you, Java.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus wat
@Abyx erm
 
2:37 PM
@Ell case in point. In C++, != NULL can never raise an exception. So Java sucks (@CatPlusPlus).... Unless of course you override operator !=...
 
Ahaha, no, it's my crapplication being highly magical and losing data between activities.
 
that sounds more plausible
 
Good job, whoever wrote this shit.
I don't even know why.
 
Xeo
template<class T>
auto packet_length(T& v, int) -> decltype(v.GetPacketLength()){ return v.GetPacketLength(); }

template<class T>
std::size_t packet_length(T&, long){ return sizeof(T); }
 
so, J**a is OK then?
 
Xeo
2:38 PM
call with packet_length(var, 0);
 
I can't follow the flow of application because of wonderful app architecture being set on top of even more wonderfuler Android architecture.
 
@Xeo it's way less readable
 
@Xeo Y U NO std::bind? Your code seems more complicated, actually.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Wat?
 
@BartekBanachewicz bind?!
 
Xeo
2:39 PM
How would std::bind help here?
 
@Abyx shame on you! std::unqiue_ptr<std::unique::ptr<J>> a;
 
Xeo
@Abyx And way more portable :3
 
@thecoshman pow(J, a)
 
pow pow
 
@Xeo ok, nvm
 
2:41 PM
@Abyx that would be J^a
 
@thecoshman in basic? maybe...
 
@Abyx it is my understanding that it is the standard way to write 'to the power of' when you can not do superscript
 
@thecoshman agree, but python and some other languages use ** for it
 
@Abyx indeed they do
why they couldn't just use ^ I will never know
@Xeo I really really want to look at that
 
Xeo
2:43 PM
@thecoshman xor
@thecoshman Well, it shows a bit of skin, but that's it
 
@Xeo crap damn it! we need more punctuation symbols on keyboards
 
Xeo
@thecoshman @ !
 
@Xeo depends which bit of skin really, a bit of arm is very different to the clit
 
@Xeo 4chan-leech.png ?
 
Xeo
@Abyx hm? copy-paste the link then
 
2:45 PM
doesn't help. nevermind
 
Xeo
ctrl-F5 it
 
yay, I'm a pundit
not that common a badge it seems
 
Xeo
@thecoshman general chest area, nothing explicit though
 
@Xeo ¬_¬ would it have killed you say it was jiggerling boobs in a bra?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman :D
But the joke's that she's taking off the bra!
 
2:47 PM
Hello.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Goodbye
 
Goodbye.
 
@Xeo wow, that worked :O
 
Xeo
Hello.
 
Ell
ugh I'm so bored
 
2:49 PM
Same here
 
Ell
chat roulette sucks when you accidentally skip a pussy.
 
lol
 
@Ell ಠ_ಠ
 
Ell
ಠ_ಠ is the perv face?
 
@Ell ಠ_ಠ
 
2:51 PM
@Ell I hope not. It was supposed to be a “what the fuck I just read” face
 
@Ell Look of disapproval.
 
Ell
haha okay :L
 
well, disapproval wasn’t necessarily intended by me either
fuck, what’s the use of emoticons if you have to explain them afterwards
 
well that's what it's called
 
@KonradRudolph (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
2:54 PM
┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ) Chill bro
 
which reminds me, I still have to find a monocle
 
@KonradRudolph ಠ_ರೃ
 
@LuchianGrigore (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
@Rapptz Well, in real life
 
@thecoshman ┬─┬ノ( ಠ益ಠノ) stop it
 
2:56 PM
hello !
 
@LuchianGrigore last resort
I keep forgetting gifs get oneboxed even when in response
 
@Anubha hi. if you are new here maybe you're in wrong place
 
@KonradRudolph fuck off do you where a monocle
 
Hi, why I am in a wrong place ?
 
2:58 PM
@Ab
 
@thecoshman … pardon me, gentle sir, could you rephrase that? I am having trouble comprehending.
 
@Abyx
 
@thecoshman xD
 
uhm.. who knows. just maybe you are
 
@Anubha You can edit posts here, you know
 
2:58 PM
@Abyx lol
 
@LuchianGrigore no... I don't have a pink dress
 
hmm, there's C++ Primer kindle edition - 18$ cheaper
 
@KonradRudolph 'fuck off' in the sense of 'oh my god'
 
@thecoshman it still doesn't make sense
 
3:02 PM
crap damn it, wrong wear :P
 
aaaah
well, I don’t since I can’t find one
I’d love to wear one
 
Ell
@daknøk you know postduif, how would registration work?
you register with a server?
 
I wonder when the worlds governments will de-classify shit that explains all the UFOs people have seen
 
Ell
i dont see why people make a fuss over it
 
@thecoshman They already did, tons of stuff (e.g. the UK gov’t)
spoiler: no evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence
 
3:10 PM
@KonradRudolph 'explains all'
there are still U FOs
 
@thecoshman Why would you expect that? Some old granny phones in to say that she’s seen some “shiny spotty thingy in the sky” – of course it remains unidentified. It’s just her glaucoma acting up.
 
@sbi good spot :) I'm not personally interested. Perhaps we could add the info on who has wiki privileges to the newbie hints? Or to the wiki somewhere (it might already be there, for anything) /cc @CatPlusPlus
 
@KonradRudolph thus it is explained...
 
@thecoshman No, explainable, not explained. I just made up that explanation. In reality, there are hundreds of potential reasons, each more likely than Martians (or Russians)
 
a UFO is not any old whim, it still has to be a FO
 
3:12 PM
@thecoshman They will always be unidentified flying objects, lest they become identified flying objects
 
¬_¬ let me try again
 
I wonder when the rest of the world governments will de-classify all their top secret projects they working on the private sector has since discovered on their own, thus meaning there is no need for them the be classified.
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah, yes master. Capiche
 
Ell
wikidot
 
3:15 PM
@thecoshman The private sector hasn't scratched the surface imo
Anything truly interesting would be top-secret by the government
hell, there's even a law in America which could get you arrested for talking to an alien intelligence
 
we need some more wars to spark some new innovation
 
@thecoshman showing the where and there of time :)
 
@sehe :'(
 
@thecoshman Still not sure what you mean. Do you think some gov’t has significant undiscovered flight objects in operation?
or that small green people have landed undiscovered on our planet
 
@KonradRudolph no, I just think there are a lot of UFO sightings that are just gov't activity that none wanted to be owned up to. AKA Roswell, clearly some sort of prototype plane, but conflicting stories has turned it into 'aliens'
 
3:21 PM
Hmm
 
it would nice to them to final release all the old shit in a fully and on edited fashion so people can FINALLY stop saying aliens crashed there
 
most (if not in fact all) UFO sightings need no such exotic explanations
 
@thecoshman WUT!? You were active for... how many months (29, by my quick calc)? You talked more in comments and chat than you probably should have and... you got pundit now?
 
@KonradRudolph Part of that code was generated automatically (i.e. hand-processed with vim macros, but well...). I can't quite remember if those are the exact official names or if I replaced spaces with underscores, but I think it's the former.
 
then maybe we an move on
 
3:22 PM
@KonradRudolph i think, if you go anywhere on planet Earth, you can find Coke bottle nearby. detritus from civilization. statistically it is very likely that detritus from the civilized galaxy around us should be somewhere here (in abundance). the problem is that we haven't observed any such. there's a name for this paradox
 
@sehe I don't know :S
 
and if stealth fighter tech from Roswell etc is published (I mean, more than already is) then this won’t convince any of the conspiracy nuts that there isn’t more hidden
 
ah, fermi's pair of docs
yes
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Fermi
but it’s not actually a real paradox
 
@KonradRudolph indeed
 
@KonradRudolph I also prefer snake_case, and I think I should have lowercased everything.
 
[offtopic] I <3 Perforce
 
Shoot him.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf A paradox implies an inherent logical contradiction. Fermi’s “paradox” is simply a faulty inference from lack of data
 
Done.
 
3:24 PM
hm
 
we have not found evidence of alien life, because there is none to be found. If we are not all there is, it does not matter, for we will never (at least in our life time) be able to do anything about it
 
If you copy the path to a local file & then paste it in the perforce window, it takes you to it :O - simple & awesome feature
 
@thecoshman Nah, it’s very unlikely that there is no such evidence. We simply haven’t looked a lot, yet. SETI has searched a tiny part of the visible space, and only looking for very limited kinds of signals
 
I heard a TED talk which seemed to imply that SETI has grown increasingly efficient at what they do
 
@Neil But what they do is still very limited in scope, by design
 
3:26 PM
They estimate that given the number of stars in the sky, they should be able to determine whether there is a good chance of there being life on a planet within 20 years
 
Ell
@Neil really? how?
 
Of course, that's assuming that statistically, life is not so incredibly rare that there are only a handful of planets
 
Ell
reminds me of that ant xkcd thing
what is "life" again?
 
@Neil Hmpf. I’ve heard very different numbers, depending on who you ask
 
@KonradRudolph Most people have large difficulties coming to terms with the vastness of the space.
 
3:28 PM
@KonradRudolph I think that's the problem is that it's relative
 
@Ell A thing.
 
they say that we may be able to find such evidence in the next 20 years, but not doing so wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprising, and wouldn’t make a significant dent into the chance of there being alien civilisations
 
@thecoshman Even if there was life found 1) It's likely to be bacterial microbes 2) In the off chance it's moderately intelligent, it's likely to be just as primitive as we are 3) if they intelligent and are even a couple lightyears away, that means it would take double that amount to communicate, most likely, "Hello", if they can even understand what "Hello" means.
 
though this guy seemed to think we could get an answer to the question "Is there intelligent life?" within 20 years
Searching for the link..
 
@Drise Actually, (2) is very unlikely indeed, since such life won’t have the technology necessary to be detected
 
3:29 PM
@Neil The only satisfiable answer you can get to that question in 20 years is "yes".
 
@thecoshman I reached that badge in under two months. Granted, I've written 5,829 comments since april 2011, whereas you posted only ~160. Hmmm. That could explain
 
@Neil If he said that like this, he’s full of shit, sorry
@R.MartinhoFernandes Exactly
 
Doesn't change much.
 
Well granted, you couldn't know with 100% certainty if you didn't find anything within 24 years
it's based on statistics and the number of stars we can check I think
 
3:31 PM
And the only way to say for certain that you will get that answer within 20 years is to already know the answer.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes True, I don't think he pretends to know. He's just optimistic
 
Are () required for an if?
like if (good), could that be if good?
 
Yes - i.e. in C++
 
And more importantly, radio waves are detectable, but intelligence is not.
@Drise Yes, they're required.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Go to the Sahara, and you can sift through millions of tons of sand without finding any Coke bottles. Likewise in Antarctica, substituting snow/ice for sand. Of course, a great deal depends on what you mean by nearby, as well as your recognizing the detritus when you see it. There's no shortage of science fiction based on the notion that they pyramids (for one obvious example) really are signs of some other civilization, and we've just failed to realize it.
 
3:34 PM
Go does away with those parentheses.
 
I once played a video game that had an alien invasion, and they invaded because of all the bullshit noise we produce as a planet. And wanted to shut us up.
 
@JerryCoffin Or the Easter Island thingies.
 
@Drise You should really leverage that memory of yours by reading a book. On C++, e.g. :)
Aug 16 at 14:53, by Drise
@Chimera Biggest problem: I have a photographic memory. And audiographic. So I can remember practically everything of significance with clarity. And no matter how hard I've tried with things in the past, it's nearly impossible to forget.
@Drise I must be an alien
 
@sehe Meh. Books are usually full of useless furniture.
 
read the Standard
 
3:36 PM
<clears throat/>
Is that so. It is my humble estimate that they might contain tidbits _useful to you_
 
@sehe Didn't say which books. Just books
 
As a bibliophile, I am offended.
 
Figure it out. Also, typo: s/k/b/
 
Any aussies (or anyone for that matter) know what Base + super means in australian terminology in referance to a job?
 
I really dislike reading. Of course, it likely has to do with my ~40 word per minute reading speed.
 
3:37 PM
@Glen020 Supah! (No, I don't know)
 
@Drise Practice!
 
@neil ... that's not helpful :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Books really just don't peak my interest.
 
@Glen020 Context?
 
@Drise What use is a good memory, if you don't take the time to stock it with proper quality information?
 
3:39 PM
@Glen020 Base pay plus some extras?
 
Ell
@sehe stock it with pr0n
 
ok crap
googled a better term
Superannuation in Australia refers to the arrangements which people make in Australia to have funds available for them in retirement. In Australia, superannuation arrangements are government-supported and encouraged, and minimum provisions are compulsory for employees. For example, employers are required to pay a proportion of an employee's salaries and wages (currently 9%) into a superannuation fund, but people are encouraged to put aside additional funds into superannuation. The minimum obligation required by employers is set to increase to 12% gradually stepping annually from 2013 to...
 
@Ell Yes, now we're talkin'
 
Ell
@drise must have a wealthy wank bank
 
@sehe You call books proper quality information? 50 shades?
@Glen020 Base pay and retirement.
 
3:40 PM
Yea. get it now
have an awesome day
 
@Drise Stop missing the point on purpose. It is called evasion. A good book on C++. Don't ask for a list
 
by awesome i mean mediocre. :)
 
Greetings! And by that I mean to solicit responses in kind.
 
@sehe whur can i fund ged buk ploxz?
 
@Chimera lol
Howdy.
 
@Chimera Gropings!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How goes it?
@sehe Hello Sehe
 
@Neil Should one box. Is funny.
 
@Neil Erm. Not to spoil the joke, but that's actually 52 shades of gray there
 
Vaginas.
UGH!
 
3:43 PM
@Glen020 So is that taking away 9% of your salary, or adding to your salary?
 
@sehe Dude, now you spoiled the whole book for me
 
fucking PHP
 
@Neil Impossible
 
I would never fuck PHP
 
@Chimera Herpes?
 
3:44 PM
@Chimera Why not? It is great at sucking
 
@Drise Yes that is the H is PhP
 
@sehe True, face fucking is a little safer.
 
@sehe Besides, technically black and white aren't shades of gray
They're grayscale, that's true, but not shades of gray
 
People (with) herpes programming?
 
@Drise Why not? I have leprosy.
 
3:45 PM
@Chimera Why are we talking about herpes?
 
@Drise let me fix that for you.
@Drise Nuthin.
 
Hi.
 
@Drise It started with talk of fucking PHP
Hi dakn0k
 
std::auto_ptr<troll> radek = troll::getInstance();
 
@Chimera ø*
@Drise trollollololol
 
3:48 PM
@daknøk Y NO BUTTON ON KEYBOARD?
 
@Drise option+O
Also, buy a Danish keyboard.
 
@Drise I don't have an option button
 
@Drise So you have something that automatically cleans up the mess after a troll leaves? You should be a millionaire!
 
Y U SAY MAC KEYS?
 
3:48 PM
CUZ I USE MAC Y U NO USE MAC
 
@Drise U+00F8
 
@JerryCoffin wow cool
 
On Windows, at least at work, it is alt+L.
 
@JerryCoffin Well, it's a singleton, so they never really get destroyed
 
@daknøk Because I have an IQ higher than 50.
 
3:49 PM
BAM.
 
Ouch
 
@JerryCoffin Well, me too.
 
@daknøk Great come back. Can you teach me how to sometime too? Also, if (IQ >50) yUStillUseSillyMac();
 
If I wouldn’t have had an IQ higher than 50, I’d be programming in PHP instead of Haskell, Python and C++.
 
Oh I see, he's a subclass of @cat, not just part of the troll singleton.
 
3:53 PM
åê▓∩ΩΓΣ╘Φ
 
œ∑´®†¥¨ˆøπå߬Ω≈∫˜µ
 
character map FTW
 
nah
 
I use silly mac because apparently PC makers have conspired to only sell shitty laptops
 
@Chimera option+all the keys
 
3:53 PM
@jalf Build your own
 
if you want the specs I was interested in, you basically don't have any other options.
 
@daknøk Yeah, I don't have an option key though. :-(
 
@jalf Laptops should be avoided just like Apples.
 
I love how the Windows Surface crashed on Microsoft’s presentation.
@Chimera try Alt Gr.
 
@JerryCoffin well I for one am not gonna carry a tower around with me
 
3:54 PM
So a programmer walks into a bar angry as a hornet and mutters to himself how PHP programmers were just total idiots. A guy overhears him and says, "Hey, I take offense to that." to which the programmer response, "So what, you a PHP programmer?" The man says, "No, I'm an idiot."
 
@Drise You can't build laptops.
@JerryCoffin Apples are cool.
 
plus, as a coder I want to be able to access multiple platforms, including OSX and iOS. Which pretty much means I need to have access to a mac :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Try me.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes they keep the doctor away
 
I’d buy a Mac if it were only for iTunes, which is shitty on Windows.
 
3:55 PM
@jalf Will OSX run under a virtual machine like VirtualBox?
 
@Neil Dammit. I knew some pedant would make this Aunty Betsy remark.
Well, on my monitor they are both all 52 very very much gray scale, got that?
@daknøk linky?
 
@daknøk (psstt: they did that on purpose)
 
@Chimera I have done it, and I must say… It does a pretty good job in VirtualBox… at sucking donkey dick.
 
@sehe What did you expect making a comment like that in a room full of pedant programmers?
 
3:56 PM
@sehe sec
 
@Neil This. And I dared. And I was left betrayed. I will weep now
 
@sehe It's as if you wanted me to take something for granted..
 
daknΦk
2
 
And no, I don’t read De Telegraaf. :)
 
3:57 PM
that's the closest I can come
 
@daknøk So you support Apple specifically because of their monopolistic practices?
 
@JerryCoffin I don’t support Apple.
 
daknøk
 
I buy products I like.
 
@daknøk And in doing so...
 
3:58 PM
@daknøk If you buy their products, you sure do.
 
But I don’t buy them just to support Apple.
 
@daknøk You steal all your hardware, right.
 
@daknøk The reason you buy them doesn't change the fact that you're supporting them.
 
As soon as I have my money saved up for a cam, heads and supercharger for my Corvette, maybe than I will buy a Mac of some sort.
 
@JerryCoffin I just want to say that I buy it only because I like it. Doesn’t mean I actively support the company, nor that I like the company, which I don’t.
 
3:59 PM
Not before.
 
@daknøk Giving money is active support.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes HACKINTOSH
 

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