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12:02 AM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I've considered FPGAs for sure. Still an electronics beginner, so the most complicated things I've done are playing a monophonic melody through a buzzer and transistor basics
 
@Aaron3468 more than we've done in our college
lol i think we did only a few things
 
@VermillionAzure Sounds interesting. I enjoyed introductory statistics, so I know the basics. But I generally need reference material and time to plan because there are sooo many small ways to do stats wrong and I don't trust my memory for anything more than ANOVA and mean comparison
Labs are quite easy and I had 90+%, but I nearly failed the course on examinations ^^;
 
@Aaron3468 most statistics methods are past that fromw hat i understand
or at least I think ANOVA is somewhat used
but or the scRNA-seq they used special methods
For example, k-means was not considered a good clustering algorithm
 
12:22 AM
Haha, what's new? University teaches outdated methods and most of what you need is learned on the job. I do respect that it teaches foundational knowledge so that new employees don't drown in highly technical fields. I'm definitely not yet prepared for anything but entry-level jobs, except in retail/hospitality.
 
12:37 AM
@Aaron3468 if they taught highly technical things in University, then people would be tied to certain technologies without understanding the big picture. That said, university is hardly necessary if you can buy books and stuff you want to learn
Yet I wouldn't trust a self taught surgeon in his garage
 
12:54 AM
looking back, stuff I have learnt from commerce/business degrees are more relevant to today's life than engineering degree, it's easier than the engineering stuff taught & more useful
Guess it's because I am not working as a telecommunication engineer
 
Yeah... The hard part is getting that first chance in a field. I spend lots of time developing my knowledge and it doesn't feel like I've seen anything come of it yet
 
that's why internship/entry level jobs are getting paid so low - because employer supposed to train you
 
@Mysticial So, it got about 3000 write on Crystal Mark, but the performance dropped as it started getting full.
 
What was the array configuration?
Mine was 16 x 2TB Toshiba drives 7200 RPM. They looked like 2 platter drives. So they were dense and thus had fast sequential bandwidth.
 
RAID6, with 24 Deskstar 6TB units
 
1:01 AM
180 - 200 MB/s sequential per drive.
2.75 GB/s sustained on all 16 drives.
 
but you didn't combine them?
 
@Mikhail Shit, that's a lot of space.
 
@Telkitty That's good perspective! I do find (in my limited experience) that employers often try to keep you at that pay level long after training finishes
 
@Mikhail I don't need to.
 
I have 1.5 TB left!
 
user1804599
1:04 AM
@sehe
 
What I'm really curious about is how to correctly forecast performance. For example, SSD speeds drop as the drive gets filled up. Similar experience with the RAID6 array I have.
 
user1804599
Typewriter for writing music? WHY NOT. https://t.co/hcVi5F7YNG
 
1:17 AM
@jaggedSpire holiday floof /cc @TonyTheLion
 
@Borgleader ^_^ that silly grin!
 
@jaggedSpire :3
 
ah see the very essence of everything
#floof
 
@Borgleader ^_^
 
@Borgleader I wanna cuddle that one
@jaggedSpire ahhh the red pandas
haven't seen many of those lately
 
1:21 AM
@TonyTheLion have another
 
them ears are soooooooo floofy
and cuddly
 
:D Red pandas
 
I can't handle it
 
1:22 AM
nods sagely
 
@jaggedSpire o m g
 
HELLO
 
nooblet!
 
@jaggedSpire thats soooo adorable
 
1:24 AM
I REQUEST CONFIRMATION THAT I'M NOT AT FAULT FOR YOUR DEPARTURE FROM DISCORD
 
@Nooble you are not
 
@Nooble thats... direct
 
I guess theres no more direct way to ask anything
 
LOL IOS SUCKS I CANT DISABLE CAPS WHAT
10
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow interesting, case class Const[+A, +-B)(get: A). I don't think such variance works but it should be safe
 
1:25 AM
@Nooble I'm starring that in a minute
 
@Nooble why'd you enable caps in the first place
 
TO CAPITALIZE THE FIRST LETTER IN THE FIRST WORD OF MY SENTENCE
 
well you succeeded there
 
Its usually shift -> caps -> off
at least on android
cant see why ios would do differently
 
why do they do anything differently
to be a special snowflake
 
1:26 AM
apful
 
okay it works now
 
@jaggedSpire the derp is strong with this one :3
 
@Borgleader it is one with the derp
 
soooooooo floofy
 
@jaggedSpire i wanna be booped too :(
 
1:32 AM
 
I have always wondered that too
 
@jaggedSpire I was watching Wild China the other day, and there were red pandas in it. 10/10 would watch again.
(good thing I have it on Bluray, Ive watched it like 3 times already)
 
lounge<fluffs++>
 
@Borgleader I must come visit you so we can watch that
 
@jaggedSpire well well, til
 
neat, huh?
 
@jaggedSpire this one's broken :P
@jaggedSpire hello
 
1:39 AM
@Borgleader would that bag perhaps be a kitten kit?
 
sup
 
the number of posts regarding floofy animals has skyrocketed in the last 30 minutes, so there's that
 
We all had a backlog apparently :P
 
1:41 AM
I've been remiss, not posting floofs in #floof.
 
since #floof has been less
 
Even before a month ago
 
and I've been garnering the troops to help recover jagged to discord
 
Wait, why does it say "English is virtually 50% French and 50% German"? What does that make the words "tortilla" and "lefse"?
 
lol
 
hahahaha
I honestly don't think its right
 
is pokemon go still a thing?
 
yes
but the craze is over
 
@JonahSloan They are borrowed words
 
1:45 AM
remiss
 
As such are literal and don't count
 
yeah well
you literally don't count
 
@Borgleader conlangs are interesting
 
@Nooble Does anyone?
 
I keep meaning to learn esperanto
 
1:49 AM
tag yourself, i'm the unopenable oven https://twitter.com/Arr/status/807750971451265024
 
Ok I'm going to bed
 
good night sweet cat
 
@Borgleader I'm the cupboard even I wouldn't fit in
@TonyTheLion night bby <3
 
@jaggedSpire I was told by whomever posted that, thats its just "a cipher of english" or something along those lines so its not really constructed
 
1:51 AM
Half the fake languages are just bloody English
 
I tried to learn elf....ish !?!? when i was in high school
 
...
 
@Borgleader those are also interesting
I know elianscript
 
I tried to learn german but got bored. I still want to learn it though
 
Dovah is a striking one in that regard
 
1:52 AM
I tried to learn C++ :') But in actuality I learned Japanese
Probably German or Dutch next
 
weeb
 
I took japanese classes (1x a week during a semester), I dont remember anything at all. Weirdly, I still remember "quite a bit" of spanish from high school. Some dude on the train was speaking it and i understood way more than i expected
 
I know German :')
jk almost failed this semester
 
stop using google translate for your homework
 
I know Spanish
 
1:55 AM
@Borgleader but it's so good
 
I tried to make a programming language in Spanish, but Spanish has more than one word for "for".
 
Google Translate is powered with Responsive Deep Learning Artificial Machine Cloud Container Intelligence
 
@Borgleader Yeah, definitely not enough to keep any level of competence. Once you get over the 'bump' with a language, it's hard to forget how to speak
 
@JonahSloan para?
 
@JonahSloan it's different senses of the word though
por y para
 
1:57 AM
but in the sense of a for loop, you'd use para
 
that seems right to me
yep
not that you being correct requires my confirmation :P
 
@Aaron3468 I took them cuz I applied for an internship in Japan (which I didnt get), thing is... I was so busy that semester and wwith that on top it completely wrecked me, so I dropped it as soon as I was done.
I still have the books though so I could pick it up again.
 
@bitcode how much Spanish do you speak? You're Brazilian, right?
 
You could also a verb for 'repeat', or the noun for 'repetition'. All depends on specifics of the language, but syntactical constructs can be named in many different ways
 
@jaggedSpire yes I'm brazilian. I can understand a little bit of spanish, but I can't speak the language, even though we share lots of words, I wouldn't know what is actually spanish and what is just portuguese lol
 
2:02 AM
@bitcode yeah, figured.
 
MEOW MEOW MEOW MOEW
MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOW
MEOW MIX MEOW MIX MEOW MEOW MEOW
 
@Borgleader That sounds fair. Did you like it?
 
my sister speaks English, Spanish and Portuguese. I'm the monolingual shame of the family :P
 
looks like we have a dog here
 
2:03 AM
@bitcode a fair conclusion, given all the meowing
@VermillionAzure what
 
@jaggedSpire The freaking commercial is stuck in my head
 
so you decided to stick it in ours
how delightfully cruel :3
 
@Aaron3468 It was fun, but I had a really hard time with the sentence structure. I kept trying to parse it as Subject-Verb-Object, when they use Subject-Object-Verb
also triple alphabet is a bit of an issue
 
so it's a postfix language instead of an infix language
neat!
 
@jaggedSpire i guess so
 
2:05 AM
Ahaha, just wait until you get to verb conjugation one day. It's only technically one alphabet + two supplementary alphabets, but it's a literal PITA to master kanji
 
@Borgleader Programming, you like?
 
@Borgleader Lots of words to remember too.
 
oh wiat
 
@VermillionAzure joke's on you. I've never seen that commercial
 
2:06 AM
I think I'll watch something less annoying
like, say, the Badger song
 
@jaggedSpire here :P
 
@Borgleader is boxxy still around?
 
i have no clue
 
what did I watch
 
@Nooble a mistake
 
2:08 AM
:(
 
or rather the consequences of a mistake:
yours, specifically clicking on the link
 
@VermillionAzure 「プログラムすることが好きですか?」 "program doing event, likable is question?" "You like to program (the act of programming)?"
It's an... interesting language. Many differences from English that aren't easy to translate directly
 
@Nooble seriously though, how ya been?
 
if japanese had only katakana and hiragana alphabets, it would be a reasonable language to learn.
 
Xeo
@Aaron3468 koto -> event? what?
@bitcode no
You do not want Japanese with just the kanas. Way too many homophones for that.
 
2:10 AM
lol
 
Xeo
What you want is a completely different alphabet. I hear Korean's is really good.
 
@Xeo Really loose direct translation of the word. I don't like trying to render it in English (for learners to see) because it tends to disappear in a verb somewhere
 
Xeo
I'd have used "thing" here, is what I wanted to get at.
 
@Xeo Can confirm, Korean's alphabet is pretty easy to learn.
 
if they can speak without getting confused, why would they get confused with the written thing?
 
2:12 AM
Didnt learn the language but the alphabet is pretty good
 
Xeo
@bitcode Well, context helps. But it's not just the homophones.
 
@Borgleader I've heard you'll be able to pronounce written words perfectly long before you understand what they mean
 
Xeo
A wall of kanas also doesn't look very nice to the eye
 
which actually sounds like a situation ripe for amusing abuse
 
2:14 AM
@bitcode hiragana is a great start. You pick up the rest as you go because it's interchangeable. The reason kanji help is do you want a fish, or already have a fish?
 
I have a dream that I can one day watch Korean starcraft and not need translators.
 
korean on the other hand is very difficult to pronounce properly. one korean guy tried to teach me how to pronounce his name for years.
 
@bitcode maybe youre just terrible with your mouth :P
 
or that
 
Xeo
@Aaron3468 Not sure how kanji helps here? 「魚がほしいの?」 vs 「魚があるの?」
 
2:16 AM
rekt
 
Korean seems easier to learn than Japanese. I've spent about 4 years learning Japanese and I'm at the point where I can watch shows or snippets of news and have a good idea of what's going on. Finding time to practice is the difficult part
 
Xeo
@bitcode Japanese teacher I know says he wants Japanese pronunciation, Korean writing system, and Chinese grammar.
 
@Xeo japanese pronunciation + korean writing seems like a winning move. but I know nothing of chinese grammar
 
Xeo
Apparently it's super easy. No particle shit.
 
@Xeo 「魚が要るの?」、「魚が居る」. Aru/iru and hoshii/iru are both context-dependent decisions.
I really second what your teacher says :)
 
2:20 AM
@sehe lmao!
 
Xeo
@Aaron3468 Ah, right. I was kinda thinking of food, so dead fish. That's why I went with ある.
If you think "pet", it's different.
@Aaron3468 But still, as before, context helps for homophones. But I agree having kanji is important (for Japanese as it currently is, anyways).
 
meow
@Aaron3468 oh
 
@jaggedSpire super stressed about to take SAT and um
icicle still not a thing
 
@Nooble oooh yeah good luck
 
Yeah, that's fair. It's part of why Japanese is a hard language to translate properly into English. I'm very glad it was simplified so much since the 1800s.
 
2:24 AM
SAT wasn't terrible when I took it (I actually did worst on the math portion) but that was...six or seven years ago, now.
 
@jaggedSpire I'd rather do PHP for 5 hours than the SAT
 
the SATII was harder
 
I don't think the SAT is particularly hard or anything, just that it's boring and I end up guessing on everything because effort and because I've only taken practice tests.
 
ah
practice yer cursive
 
I'm taking SAT II Physics!
physics is fun
 
2:25 AM
@Nooble With SAT, you fuck up. With php, it fucks you up.
 
the SAT was literally the only time I ever had to use it in my school career, but it made my hand hurt so bad with only the paragraph we had to write
 
@Xeo yay
 
the proctor had to write the cursive on the board because no-one could remember how to write in it
 
@bitcode it's basically easy english grammar
 
did you know if your mom and I fall from the same height I hit the ground first because I have less surface area
 
2:27 AM
@Nooble it's a test of your perfection and studying skills and work ethic, not smarts
 
@MarkGarcia Ooh Mark. Haven't seen you in like at least a year.
 
I actually practice cursive occasionally now because it's fun to have that handy
 
No avatar?
 
@Xeo my favorite slip is kawai/kawaii
@jaggedSpire ...
@jaggedSpire it's not nice to curse
bad blue squiggly
 
I learned cursive in 1st grade but it looked really bad so I had to write normally
 
2:28 AM
Hello again @Nooble. You too. :)
 
My handwriting is BEAUTIFUL
 
@Nooble So. what are you acutally ognna major in yules?
 
I don't know how to write anymore.
 
@MarkGarcia so what's left for you, then?
 
cursive is the normal way, you sinners!
 
2:29 AM
@VermillionAzure The only thing I'm good at
Botany
 
@bitcode ughhhhhhhhhh my grader makes essay corrections in cursive
@Nooble wait u srs?
 
what no
is botany really a major
8
 
@Nooble perhaps
biology/botany
yupppppppppppppp
 
@VermillionAzure but I curse things with my presence all the time!
 
@jaggedSpire I hope you have Esuna somewhere for them poor people
@Nooble also. woooooow
 
2:31 AM
what
 
c'mon Koala you should know better
 
@VermillionAzure A husk.
 
@VermillionAzure nerd
 
PSH BASKET WEAVING IS A THING
@MarkGarcia oh.
 
what should I implement on coliru
 
2:34 AM
@jaggedSpire compile time snake
 
no
single file
 
single file compile time snake
or just single file snake
 
how do you propose I test and run this on an online compiler
 
oh god
another turkey bombing
 
@jaggedSpire ASCII snake
 
2:37 AM
I should make another release the kraken UB example
 
compile time snek
 
I really don't get how input should work in this case
 
What about a snake garbage collector for Java?
 
release the kraken UB?
 
off by one is the best overflow for cool UB
 
2:38 AM
@Nooble there's a specific behavior of gcc's that turns what seems like a simple four or five iteration loop into an infinite loop
 
now that's weird
 
you can use this to make ascii art of a kraken with infinitely long tentacles
signed integer overflow is ub :3
 
@VermillionAzure news report?
 
@jaggedSpire show meeee
 
2:40 AM
as long as I include a timeout on the operation of, say, half a second I don't feel terrible about it
@Nooble I'll see if I can replicate/find it
 
Turkey is not looking very good
something is very wrong
 
@jaggedSpire Use UB to call a function that acts as a destructor on this one: reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/5himv7/…
At runtime.
 
I can't understand this: int krakenIndex = ((i > 0) * i) * (i < 28) + 27 * (i > 27);
 
boolean values convert to integers when used in mathematical expressions
when it's false, I'm multiplying the number by 0, when true I'm multiplying it by 1
 
2:50 AM
isn't this a trick that only C programmers would be proud to use?
 
yep
but the UB is finicky there
I tried it with sane calculation of that value, and the loop wasn't optimized to be infinite, so
 
hm
that's a really interesting thing
 
@MarkGarcia the answer to the question "Am I smarter/know more about C++ than Eric Neibler?" is "No"
 
@jaggedSpire lol whattt
 
So... It's i if i is between (0, 28) and 27 if i > 27?
 
2:55 AM
yep
 
oh no I'm pinging instead of replying
 
So... Why couldn't they use the freaking ternary syntax again?
 
Xeo
to provoke a specific GCC optimisation
 
it's pretty much a no-branching clamp
 
((i > 0 && i < 28) ? (i) : ((i > 27) ? i : WTF_UNCOVERED_CASE));
@jaggedSpire How ugly
 
2:56 AM
@VermillionAzure yes, but again
 
@jaggedSpire what
 
my goal was keeping the integer overflow -> infinite loop surprise intact
@VermillionAzure also, that's not quite it
it's 0 if i is less than 0
 
Xeo
or equal to 0
 
that too
 
@jaggedSpire i don't think so
 
2:59 AM
...
 
((i > 0) * i) * (i < 28) + 27 * (i > 27);
i <- -1;
((-1 > 0) * -1) * (-1 < 28) + 28 (-1 > 27)
((0) * -1) * (1) + 28*0
0 * 0

ah i see
 

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