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7:25 PM
@jaggedSpire It's an interesting experience.
 
@AaronHall fair 'nuff
 
7:53 PM
welp
I think even the crickets might be dead
 
The tumbleweed isn't
 
obviously we should venerate it for its ability to survive such trying circumstances.
perhaps create a shrine or altar
but what to use as ornamentation
 
Just set it on fire and whisper to your sleeping friend Moses about a burning bush
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Awesome prank 10/10
 
@Aaron3468 I'm going to star that in about two minutes
@Aaron3468 truly, a prank of legend
they will write tales of such a glorious prank
 
:3 It began a religion
 
7:59 PM
:3
I imagine very few pranks have managed that in history
probably more than I really want to know, but still very few
 
Glory be to catface. Yeah, sometimes I wonder how much of the classics is promoted pop-culture
 
and how much of it is in-jokes that have been lost to history
so roughly the same thing, really
what sort of memes did Ancient Greece enjoy
or does "meme" mean image macro now
shit
 
Yes, I know a relatively older one is using the punchline "The aristocrats"
 
I'm too young to shout about lawns
I don't even have a lawn to shout about
 
I'm still jealous you've got a cardboard box. I'm living in a rather large box-shaped watermelon that makes hollow noises when it rains
 
8:05 PM
@Aaron3468 how does it taste?
also, apparently:
> One ancient Greek idiot joke reads: “An idiot, wanting to go to sleep but not having a pillow, told his slave to set an earthen jar under his head. The slave said that the jug was hard. The idiot told him to fill it with feathers.”
 
@jaggedSpire Quite like earwax
 
@Aaron3468 Alas!
> You don’t have a face, but a fireplace
idgi
I wonder how similar face and fireplace sound(ed)
> A person went to a doctor and said “doctor, whenever I get up from sleeping, I’m groggy for a half an hour afterwards and only after that am I all right” To which the doctor replied: “Get up half an hour later.”
 
anyone has some tips on how to manage time working from home
 
8:10 PM
you know, I think I'll try to remember to use the fireplace line next time someone asks me to insult them
it's so wonderfully confusing
 
Yeah, they seem relatively good and you get the opportunity to talk about ancient humour
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix well, I don't work from home partly because my work doesn't allow it but also because I feel I get more done in a space solely associated with work
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix 90% sleep 5% procrastinating, and 5% rushing to meet deadlines.
 
@Aaron3468 which seems like an excellent conversation topic!
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix But I hear it works best if you can discipline yourself to keep consistent work-hours and lunch breaks
 
8:12 PM
@jaggedSpire I agree yet I can't really work in an office unless I rent an office
@Aaron3468 if I was alone at home, It wouldn't be that difficult I gues
 
I'd probably wind up doing what I did in school: telling myself that I would work for two hours or until I completed <task that should take less time if I'm not screwing around> and then take a break for a short, fun activity.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix maybe set up a space that you can associate only with work
It worked well--I got my work done on time, and tended to stay on task.
 
well I'd like to setup a workplace that people don't want to get into
 
of course, you are a different person (what a shocking revelation!)
so maybe experiment to see what works for you
 
unfortunately land mines are a bit extreme
 
yeah people get weirdly irritated when their things are exploded
 
8:16 PM
yeah, the irony is that the more people disturb me during work, the more time I spend at work doing nothing... and then it gets depressing
So I'd like to know if someone has a tip on how to make it clear to not disturb me without being rude
 
headphones tend to work for all but the most oblivious, I think
a closed door adds to that
 
@jaggedSpire worked well until my baby came. Now headphones and music is a big NoNo because I have to hear if the baby is crying
 
and then a "do not disturb" sign on that
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix that would indeed put a damper on the headphones
...
maybe wear headphones but don't listen to anything?
except if you get disturbed by noise that is not baby-related on a regular basis, even while not directed at you
 
Nah I'm good with noise
 
so maybe try out the headphones-but-secretly-not-listening-to-anything trick?
 
8:21 PM
I'd be comfortable with someone drilling next to me as long as he's not talking with me
 
lucky
I'm a chronic eavesdropper
 
putting crime scene tape and blood across the doorway might dissuade people, but people have a skill of ignoring the environment or assuming it's not harmful
 
the headphone things won't work because as soon as my wife will se I have headphones, she'll think I'm not listening the baby in case
 
the only way I can't listen in on a conversation is if there's some other noise occupying my attention
 
its @jaggedSpire <3
 
8:23 PM
@Aaron3468 obviously if there was a real danger present there would be something actively preventing them from entering!
@TonyTheLion hey <3
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix maybe explain the whole situation to her?
 
Ultimately you need a protocol you both agree on that says "I'm working, please don't disturb". Could be as simple as a sock/tie hung on the doorknob. Also some point at which she knows when you will be available. maybe a break every 3 hours?
 
say, "While I can work from home to look after the baby, I do need to be fairly without interruptions to work effectively and feel good about the quality of work I hand in. I'm happy to take care of the baby when (s)he needs attention, but other than that, I'd prefer not to be disturbed. To signal this, I'm going to put on my headphones/other signal. I'm not listening to music and I can hear the baby, it's just a simple way to signal that I'd prefer not to be disturbed"
or something along those lines
 
I dunno, I don't know your wife
 
she's aware that she shouldn't disturb me.
 
8:28 PM
okay, so who/what is interrupting you?
 
ah
hm
 
the thing about the break every3 hours things kind of work it works. If someone mess with my time, I can't take my break in 3 hours and in the end... I'm not taking a break never
 
and because you need to watch the baby you can't go to one of those work-from-home cafes or whatever they're called
 
@jaggedSpire hope you having a good day :)
 
8:31 PM
@jaggedSpire well yeah.
 
@TonyTheLion I am! I mailed one of my friends their christmas present, and also my old laptop because I've got a new one and they need spare parts for their laptop of the same model
and then I went to a cafe
/bakery
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix If you can't create an effective system, not much you can do but bear that household responsibilities will get in the way sometimes. Rules and protocols are useless if they aren't adopted.
 
^_^ it has been.
You?
 
no need to plink me. I'll accept the flattery but really if I have time I will surely find the questions that interest me (usually, tagging boost-spirit more or less plinks me) — sehe 20 secs ago
 
8:33 PM
it really is the summon sehe tag
 
@Aaron3468 exactly. I feel stuck because I spend my day working and wasting time and I have no time left for anything...
 
...
 
@jaggedSpire yea its alright
 
@jaggedSpire that's what I usually end up doing. I'm most often too occupied to find music that matches my mood. So I don't
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix have you asked her what you can do to get some uninterrupted time to work? The alternate way of phrasing it "why do you keep bothering me?" doesn't seem exactly politick :P
@TonyTheLion :)
 
8:35 PM
@sehe I often forget to start music and just keep the headphones on
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I do that, and then realize I have no music playing after like some time and am sad that I forgot to start my music
 
I just find multiple-hour music mixes on youtube and keep the tab open so it starts when I open the browser
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Exactly my point. I reach the point where I go "sigh, headphones needed" and don't find the time to actually start music. Not to mention it screws with the benchmarking because spotify writes 2 GiB of data per minute :)
@jaggedSpire Now that would be flattery in its truest weirdest form. If someone were to make a tag and opens a corresponding question on meta...
 
@sehe lol
 
@jaggedSpire asking differently might help I guess.
 
8:38 PM
now I'm imagining how that particular post would go down :P
 
@jaggedSpire it would be closed
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix phrasing can be a tricky, tricky thing
 
cause meta is unforgiving
and doesn't take a joek
 
Very swiftly. And the power abuser that created that tag would be berated. And rightly so
 
but imagine the comments
 
8:39 PM
It's not YT
 
it isn't
but the comments on bad SO posts are invariably some level of snark
and therefore usually slightly more amusing than the comments on youtube videos, which are invariably some kind of "you nazi" and "die"
 
you mean "high level of snark"
 
youtube comments are something scary
 
@TonyTheLion well some people aren't yet practiced enough to emit the level of snark they're clearly aiming for :P
 
8:41 PM
:P
 
a few hundred more i++ + ++i questions inevitably fix that, of course
...I made a template comment for those posts the other day on my work computer, where I watch for bad and interesting questions in the new question queue
it links the sequence points post, so flagging/voting to close as dupe will stop requiring a search
 
@TonyTheLion haha
 
^ After a while you see the same question asked 500 different ways and you make a template. I did it for pathfinding questions, because it's usually the basics tripping people up. I really enjoyed answering a question where the user had a multidimensional problem to solve and knew the basics
 
it was an effort of will to revise "why didn't you read the tag wiki where it EXPLICITLY MENTIONS NOT TO ASK THIS <screaming>" to "this is explained in a post linked in the tag wiki"
 
Lol. I just found this in an older answer I linked to
@sehe No problem, it was simply curiosity. I'm sure that you will help lots of people with that. There is nothing better than a quick demo, especially with code that is usually hard to read. — jv_ Jul 15 '13 at 23:02
Speaking of snark :)
"You're code's usually unreadable" :)
 
8:47 PM
lol
ouch
hm
there is a candy store do I go y/n
 
Better to practice, or to study, for my calculus final exam?
 
why not study by practicing?
 
That's what I'm leaning towards. I've spent the term studying, so I more or less can follow steps correctly
 
seems reasonable to me
maybe I'll start a scarf today
 
@jaggedSpire don't accept candy from a stranger in a van
 
8:56 PM
One source of practice questions has gouge-my-eyes-out difficult/tedious questions where one question can take hours to solve the first time, the other has numerous simple ones. I think I'll choose the latter because I doubt the exam will have questions that require 3 pages of paper to solve :)))
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix excellent advice I have ignored on more than one occasion (though they were ice cream vans in populated areas so it wasn't a completely terrible decision)
 
This is cracking me up
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@sehe why does that horse have a pompadour?
 
@sehe oh no
 
@jaggedSpire Why is the white one on an ox? We'll never know!
 
8:58 PM
Let's forget about the "why" in the picture. Let's just marvel at how eloquently it depicts the nature and state of our javascript frameworks
3
 
truly a majestic statement
 
Though it's weird to say something is depicted // eloquently. I wasn't thinking
 
I was laughing very hard because it's not wrong! Javascript is a fantastic mess of frameworks that work well enough sometimes
 
9:11 PM
wassup
i hereby announce
i am doing scheme in c++ as senior project
 
enjoy
 
@VermillionAzure you mean a compiler?
or you mean that you will be using Scheme scripting language in a C++ project?
 
user1804599
lololol
 
hi rightfold
 
9:36 PM
why people take picture of their screen with a shitty camera...?
Or is there a special filter on computers to make screenshot look shitty
 
@VermillionAzure because the world needs another one of that. Or is this just a course, not your "thesis" or so
 
user1804599
Don't do a Scheme implementation in C++.
 
I think he's decided. Let's hope he does Boehm GC
 
user1804599
I bet he gives up right after S-expression parsing.
 
@rightfold AHAAHHAHA
@sehe It's for my senior project
 
user1804599
9:41 PM
He has discovered that the way he represents the values (probably boost::any or inheritance) is totally unusable.
 
My school doesn't have a compilers course, so I'm going to do this as a substitute
 
@rightfold A fine example of what a psychologist would call "projection".
 
user1804599
Refactoring is too difficult, because it's C++, so it would have to be completely rewritten.
 
user1804599
Etc etc.
 
@rightfold Why is it that hard?
I mean, the syntax of Scheme is pretty set from what I understand; it's at least in BNF Form
The environment should be mappings as well; what's the issue?
 
9:42 PM
@VermillionAzure It's actually pretty easy. This is just a matter of Rightfold knowing that he'd never finish, and assuming the rest of the world is the same.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh
Yeah I'm going to put together a team
 
@JerryCoffin yeah, I guess if the task was to implement scheme in scheme, it wouldn't be finished either
 
@VermillionAzure I'd tend to recommend at least starting alone.
 
@JerryCoffin Why?
I mean, I've already started to put out notices
 
interviewer: "Design and implement a lock free queue" candidate: "No" interviewer: "HIRED!"
 
9:47 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I'm making a Scheme interpreter in C++ as a senior project
and hopefully a lot more
 
If you start by trying to build a team, I think your chances of getting much done go down substantially. If you start by writing some code, and only add other people when you have something well started, chances of getting something done go up dramatically.
 
@JerryCoffin I agree
I'm considering how to put together the code for the project... Any good ideas for toolings?
I want to do diagrams, etc. that sort of thing
Something like MindMap + AutoCAD would be amazing
@JerryCoffin HELP ME BUMBLEBEE
 
@VermillionAzure Okay. Here's my bit of help: it's spelled "wasp".
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
@sehe HAHAHAAHAH I'm dying :)
So I'm forced to chat on here too now
cause how I can I not talk to jagged
 
9:57 PM
@VermillionAzure making a Scheme interpreter in C++ shouldn't be too hard. People did it thousands of times already.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix i see
 
Syntax is quite easy to parse actually. What's interesting is writing a Scheme compiler in Scheme that can compile itself
 
@VermillionAzure Just use a UML diagram tool. You don't need fancy diagrams for an interpreter. It's just looping input until it has a line, tokenizing the input, then passing that to the interpreter to execute commands. Usually you'll have a data structure storing the state of variables.
 
@Aaron3468 Yes, but the project is going to be a lot more complex than that
the full project is actually a C-Scheme transpiler
 
Technically the Syntax of scheme is almost writing an Abstract Syntax Tree directly so there is no parsing really necessary here
 
10:00 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Exactly
 
replace stuffs like '(1 2 3) to (quote (1 2 3)) etc
 
I chose Scheme because it's insanely easy to parse and create the AST from
In fact, I think you can do syntax-directed translation with it with Recursive Descent if i'm not mistaken
 
Scheme are almost trees especially if you wrap the code in (begin ...)
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix see?
Exactly
 
@TonyTheLion <3
 
10:02 PM
BNF ==> Context-free I think
 
@VermillionAzure A minimal Scheme interpreter is really simple. The original definition of Lisp was a pair of functions named eval and apply (which are mutually recursive). You can implement Scheme pretty much the same way. That uses read to parse an S-expression, but that's fairly trivial. You also have a half dozen (or so) other functions to implement, as well as a few structures like a cons cell and an atom.
 
@jaggedSpire :)
 
As far as I know, only 9 primitives are necessary to write eval
 
so few primitives and so many security holes to make with them
 
atom,car,cdr,cons and lambda,cond,eq
 
10:06 PM
@JerryCoffin exactly
@JerryCoffin there's also a few syntactic structures apparently
the scheme specification lays it out nicely from what I undersatnd
 
@VermillionAzure the only syntactic structure that I know of is '(...) `(... ,(...)) #somechar 30/20 (exact number)
Even if you don't support them, it's not a big deal. I wouldn't waste my time on anything else except may be "quote" this will save you some typing
 
I mean what about let
 
let isn't a syntax, it's a macro
 
Aaaand I guess there's a lot to learn
 
when you'll have eval working you'll be able to define macro in scheme and add let this way
 
user1804599
10:10 PM
(let ((x e1)) e2) expands to ((lambda (x) e2) e1).
 
Mmm okay then.
 
@VermillionAzure Oh, of course. For a conforming implementation of Scheme, you also need things like a macro interpreter, but yes--the spec is pretty cleanly and clearly written. Nicely enough, they've also (in recent iterations) split it into two languages: a "small" language (for education and such) and a bigger one (for real programming).
 
Tell me more?
 
r7rs sounds cool
 
user1804599
The compiler then optimizes the latter into the former again to generate more efficient code.
 
@VermillionAzure I find the biggest obstacle in small projects is the temptation to make everything perfect the first time, and expect to never modify the code. Start with something and iterate until it's clean.
 
I've been out of the loop for a year or two, but scheme is really fantastic
@VermillionAzure I suggest reading about already implemented Scheme in C++/Python/Haskell or whatever you like to get a good understanding. Also, SICP is a book you definitively need to read.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix
I'm reading SICP
And I was thinking R5RS but now I'm thinking R7RS
 
I believe the r7rs small aims to make interpreter more compatible between each others without being to conservative on choices. Which is kind of nice for a language
 
@VermillionAzure Definitely--r5rs doesn't have the small language, at least IIRC.
 
10:22 PM
r6rs makes no sense to implement as far as I know... it's like the Windows Vista of Scheme
 
@TonyTheLion That is so insulting
everybody else here wasn't worth coming back for?
 
@Puppy allegedly everybody else worth coming back for is on discord
 
@Borgleader EGGCEPT ME
when I don't have discord on
 
hmph
 
@Puppy HI PUPPY
are you cute IRL like me i am a cute red/blue blob
@JerryCoffin really?
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix mmm interesting
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix btw... You're Spanish, right?
 
10:37 PM
@VermillionAzure I'd have to check to be sure--my memory isn't particularly dependable.
 
@VermillionAzure I'm Canadian..
 
It's a very french name, yes?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Mmm that's like Norwegian, yes?
 
r5rs doesn't have the small language
 
No, wait, I think that's closer to Slovakian...
Or maybe Turkish?
Yeah, that's right. Turkish
 
10:44 PM
what?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix what?
 
What's Turkish?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix your name
 
It's French
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix right, like Turkish and Slovakian
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I'm just kidding
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Oooooh discussion you like MongoDB?
 
10:46 PM
MongoDB is cool but not as cool as CouchDB, unless you need to query something
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I'm so confused
What's so cool about NoSQL anyways?
 
What's cool about SQL?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Seems quite orderly, has much research and optimization gone into it, fits most structured data, good performance given the right engine (PostgreSQL), theoretical backing
I've heard one good case for NoSQL is graphs but I dunno
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Whats so cool about CouchDB? (I've never heard of it, but I do have approximate knowledge of MongoDB)
 
Well CouchDB is nice because it offer offline replication which mean you can have a db on your phone that will be able to replicate master/master flawlessly with a remote app
Also, since couchdb is http, any programming language that can make http request and fetch json will work. You don't have need for a specific driver like odbc or even the mongodb clients
 
10:53 PM
Doesn't seem to have major users
 
I always feel out of my element with programming. Frameworks change so fast that by the time I have anything nearing mastery of one, it's been out for years and become deprecated. I have some small level of general skills at least...
 
Also I believe the thing is nice but more or less used and unfortunately not really developed as it should. Since Couchdb is actually a webserver, it is capable to host and generate html pages, you can technically have a mostly complete webapp living inside the database
 
@Aaron3468 Then why not just learn something lower level?
@Aaron3468 Or learn a language with a more stable ecosystem?
 
@VermillionAzure yes, the userbase is small because it's hard to do anything with couchdb and doesn't fit many "use cases". It's not a swiss knife
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Mmm, I see
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Isn't that a bad thing?
I thought you want separation of data from application most of the time... at least for production and security purposes
 
10:55 PM
For example, you have to create views, such as you do in Mongodb to query anything. So nothing like "where " queries or join
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix confused.
I guess I should actually do a DB + web app before speaking
 
@VermillionAzure well the html part is located inside design objects which aren't mixed with the database containing data
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix what is a design object?
 
it's an object in the database that contains some kind of logic objects. Written in Javascript or Erlang. The object are saved as json thought.
 
@VermillionAzure That's why I shy away from web-dev. Being able to connect a database, server, and a few web pages is pretty much it when it comes to my web skills ^^;
 
10:57 PM
@Aaron3468 From what I understand, usually the lower-level/algorithms based stuff are better to work with
e.g. Graphics, physics programming is unlikely to change at the foundations anytime soon
same with image/signal processing, data analysis, etc.
Bayes' Theorem doesn't change
Fourier Transform doesn't change
zlib is still being used
@Aaron3468 Aren't you still in college, btw?
 
@Puppy Some people are worth coming back for. You being one of those off course
 
@VermillionAzure Yeah, second year. As far as specialization goes, I enjoy graphics and ai in particular
 
@Aaron3468 Mmm, have you tried statistics/machine learning?
@Aaron3468 Or signals/systems?
 
Not a lot of either yet because some of the mathematics are beyond me, but I've messed around with microcontrollers and a bit of simple sound/input processing
Those definitely seem to be the areas I'm drifting towards, so we'll see where that takes me :)
 
@Aaron3468 I've found those two are probably going to be insanely useful
I had a bioinformatics internship and just finished a stay on a basic machine learning team; both were really good
@Aaron3468 If you're doing graphics, I think quaternions and FFT are going to be a must
I've heard FFT is used for water and stuff
 
user1804599
11:16 PM
interviewer: "Design and implement a lock free queue" candidate: "No" interviewer: "HIRED!"
 
@VermillionAzure Very cool. What was the bioinformatics like? I'm leaning towards operational research right now, but I'm still undecided on my specialization
 
@Aaron3468 if you're like me, check about FPGA if you like electronics it's something to look at
 
@rightfold Already posted by @Borgleader a couple of hours ago (or so).
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Speaking of which, Xilinx has a $99 kit again: xilinx.com/products/boards-and-kits/arty.html
 
@JerryCoffin ever worked with them?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Not with this particular one, no. I've had a couple of their own low-end kits though (Spartan 3, Spartan 3E, etc.) and they've always worked out well.
I should add a disclaimer though: they've since scrapped the toolset I used and replaced it with Vivado. I have played with Vivado, but not nearly enough to comment intelligently about it.
 
11:28 PM
Ah then, You might be able to answer my question. Am I right if all you need to program a FPGA is a a way to communicate with the chip with JTAG and that technically no programmer is required
though a dev kit is definitely a nice thing
 
I think we used Xilinx stuff in Uni. First and last time I ever did.
Its probably something I'd enjoy doing, but jeez not sure I'd have the time (some other activities would surely win over it)
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix You don't normally program the FPGA directly. You program a Flash chip on the board, and the FPGA reads in its programming from the Flash at startup. I believe that this one just uses a USB cable to connect your computer to the board.
 
@JerryCoffin something pretty much like a bootloader
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Dev kit is basically just a board with the FPGA, power supply circuitry, a few peripherals (Ethernet, RAM, Flash, a few switches an LEDs, plus some connectors for external boards).
 
For the dev board, I understand. I was wondering how to do that without the dev board. I had a PIC ship on a devboard that was actually incompatible with the programmer. I had to remove the chip and redo the circuitry as the specs says
I was wondering if I buy a cheap chip, I could get away with it or I need to have a some kind of extra hardware
 
11:52 PM
@Aaron3468 It was scRNA-seq stuff
@Aaron3468 I did some app work; just some web dev stuff but
I worked in a lab so that's a bit different
It's a lot of statistical analysis and stuff
working with R and Python
knowing how to graph, get data, do GitHub, etc.
My mentor was working with Haskell to play with FP and get performance, tec.
 
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