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user1804599
4:37 PM
You fucking kidding me
 
user1804599
There's a town in Georgia called Santa Clause.
 
There's a town in Texas named Paris
 
Ven
several over the world
 
@jaggedSpire In china, theres a place full of you!
 
lol
 
4:45 PM
Nice family photo ;)
 
user1804599
:P
 
lolll
 
heh
 
4:47 PM
Yo madmen, how are you guys doin
So I see both discord and so.chat are dead
Y R U DED LOUNGE
 
well u see
when a website and another website love each other very much
 
user1804599
@Shoe fpchat.com is the new rad. (>>= id) the dark side.
 
Go on...
 
...I actually don't have any idea how to go on
 
You are terrible :P
 
4:55 PM
I really am!
 
Ven
@jaggedSpire imgur.com/a/vyCQ0
My bbies <3
 
@Ven sdfkjhsdgljk
 
@jaggedSpire <3 /cc @Ven @TonyTheLion @Morwenn
 
@Borgleader awwww
 
Ven
They're so warm
 
5:09 PM
@Borgleader d'awww big hugs
@jaggedSpire hi
 
@TonyTheLion hey <3
 
sup
I had haircut today
Its nice to have it short again
 
noice! I haven't done much today :)
 
That's ok. It is Sunday after all
 
5:14 PM
Reading any good fanfic?
 
a couple, but nothing particularly notable
 
right
 
some fun "what hath science wrought" stuff
 
such a floofy tail, red pandas have
 
yep! ^_^
 
5:17 PM
:)
 
goin to see mah folks in about 10 days
then it shall be the Daisyening in here
 
noice
looking forward to it
 
 
Puppy is going to Daisy World
 
5:31 PM
15 hours ago, by Nooble
is botany really a major
lol
 
hmm
I think I've decided that I've encountered another technology that I actually like, which is Typescript
7
 
idk anything about it, so im curious, what about it appeals to you?
 
it's pretty simple and easy to use, and you can express most things very effectively
 
it's just an illusion created by relative difference between it and JabbaScript
 
but it doesn't get dumb like JS does because you have static typing
 
5:34 PM
it's like saying "brussels sprouts are delicious in comparison with shit"
 
yeah, but I'm not comparing it to shit
 
JS is not shit?
 
I'm comparing it to other things like C# or C++
not JS
 
then surely you can't say you like it ^^
 
I do like it
I like it not just because it's better than JS, but because I think it's actually good
 
5:45 PM
@Puppy I have never tried TypeScript, but I love Anders :)
 
6:02 PM
Was reddit hacked or something?
There has been a huge increase in upvotes in popular subreddits
 
I heard they changed score calculation algorithm recently
 
Like going from around 500 to 15k
@jaggedSpire That doesn't make much sense
 
@Borgleader *_____*
I'm melting.
 
Unless they count visits like upvotes or something. But even then the numbers are way too high
 
@Shoe IIRC they did artificially keep scores lower than the actual (upvotes - downvotes)
 
6:06 PM
Oh
 
if it's more of a log sort of relationship, then it would explain why even though reddit has gotten millions more people in recent years, the vote counts only increased by a couple thousand for the defaults
and if they changed it into a linear relationship, that would rather increase it dramatically
 
I see
 
user1804599
@ScarletAmaranth JS lacks key properties needed for being not shit: purity, totality, HKT
 
@rightfold I agree; Coq cares so much about purity it can't even do IO! :)
 
user1804599
It can produce programs that do I/O.
 
user1804599
6:18 PM
Which is good enough for any application.
 
user1804599
Vector addition 101:
 
user1804599
 
6:43 PM
@rightfold You can write pure and total functions in JS.
 
user1804599
Yay!
 
Ell
@Puppy in the same way you can write correct programs in JS :P
 
1 message moved to bin
 
you want the c++ question room
 
@Ell Not really the same thing. A bit of impurity when you need it is fine; a bit of incorrectness is never fine.
 
Ell
6:47 PM
right, but there is no checking for either in JS
 
user1804599
No, impurity is always shit.
 
right, but you don't need checking for purity.
 
user406009
@Puppy Sorry for the bother, but would it be possible to move these questions to the C++ question room instead instead of moving them to the bin?
 
Ell
@Puppy well you don't need checking for correctness
 
when my muscle memory gets updated
@Ell Certainly do.
 
6:51 PM

C++ Questions and Answers

Solve problems and approach solutions. Just ask and lurkers wi...
 
Ell
checking for correctness requires checking for purity
 
only if purity vs impurity is actually a matter of correctness
which it is often not
most of the time it doesn't matter in the slightest if the function is pure or impure.
just call it, have it do whatever is correct, that's it.
 
Ell
@Puppy so where is the checking there?
the checking whether it is correct or not
 
libc++ algorithms seem to be better than libstdc++ ones on average.
 
@Morwenn do you remember that weird list-initialization thing with an answer I posted back in February?
 
7:01 PM
No.
 
ah
Nicol Bolas just found it
 
I'm sorry for you :/
 
lol
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A: C++ Copy constructor gets called instead of initializer_list<>

Nicol BolasLet us examine what the C++14 specification says about list initialization here. [dcl.init.list]3 has a sequence of rules which are to be applied in order: 3.1 does not apply, since Foo is not an aggregate. 3.2 does not apply, since the list is not empty. 3.3 does not apply, since Foo is not a...

if there's someone to get out-pedanted by, he's one of the ones I'd prefer
 
It could have been Columbo or libt.
 
Also people on my preferred list
 
7:05 PM
Or Richard Smith or Jens Maurer, but AFAIK they're not on SO.
 
@Ell Types, for instance.
 
Ell
@Puppy How do you use types to check the correctness of an impure function?
 
the same as for pure ones
 
Ell
But the function might depend on some global variable for instance
the type of the function doesn't take said global into account
 
sure it doesn't
but since I don't give a fuck about the global, I don't give a fuck that the type doesn't include it.
 
Ell
7:08 PM
Well, you do give a fuck about it
if you're using it inside this function
 
oh, if I'm writing the function instead of if I'm using the function?
I might give a fuck about it but certainly not enough to type it
 
really I'm happy I've been corrected
 
there's always a limit as to what the compiler can check for correctness, and there's always a point where it's not worth it
and purity is a lot like const- most of the time it flat out doesn't matter and typing it involves doing a lot of extra work
it's just not worth it
 
Ell
Well there doesn't have to be a limit if you accept turing incompleteness :P
but I agree, the point at which it matters differs depending on the scenario
a lot of people would disagree with you and say static typing is not worth it
 
well to a certain extent it's always just a question of at what point you call it
but considering that about 90% of my builds fail, and a fair few of them unexpectedly, it's my judgement that not having static typing is fucking stupid
however, I've never had a problem using impurity where purity was required
 
Ell
7:14 PM
eh
then you've been lucky right
if purity is required
 
meh
 
Ell
and you're not providing it
 
luck is probably a factor but it's also probably not the dominant one
you gotta start by asking yourself how much of the program actually requires purity
and how much of that you might accidentally not notice requires purity
since impurity is fuckin' obvious in nearly every case
most of our Typescript at work requires purity but it's fuckin' obvious and you'd have to be pretty dumb to start injecting random globals
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and in pretty much all our C# code, nobody gives a shit about purity one way or the other
 
I'll take that as a no
 
there's probably thousands of problems found by static typing in my professional career, and I know of exactly one case where we used impurity where purity was required, and we solved it by not even removing the impurity but by making it slightly less impure
 
7:30 PM
@Ell Yet more proof that approximately half of a randomly selected population is (to at least some minimal degree) mentally retarded.
 
hm
do I delete the answer or edit it
 
Ell
edit
 
@jaggedSpire What answer?
 
@JerryCoffin my answer on this question.
 
oh jagged
how much I miss you discord
 
7:34 PM
As Nicol Bolas pointed out, cppreference is wrong here, and my answer is pretty much a quote from cppreference and an explanation of how it applies
 
@jaggedSpire You can't delete an accepted answer. Editing is your only option.
 
I am deeply saddened
 
@TonyTheLion <3 <3
 
@JerryCoffin TIL
that answers that dilemma nicely
 
7:35 PM
how is the lounge wasp? Stingy?
 
@TonyTheLion I am not stingy. I am merely...extremely careful with my money. My wife, however, makes up for that anyway.
 
lol
 
lol
I sooo didn't mean stingy, but 'sting-y'
like, it stings, a wasp does
 
@TonyTheLion I don't sting. Well, not very often anyway.
 
I was trying to attempt a joke
 
7:41 PM
J'ai ri.
 
@TonyTheLion I know. I just couldn't resist twisting it to fit my own warped sense of humor.
 
@Morwenn what you did there, I see it
 
:p
 
@JerryCoffin s/warped/wasped
 
looks like the meta-consensus is to edit the answer to be correct, with the original incorrect answer still visible with a disclaimer
 
7:52 PM
Election prediction: some shithead will seize power & shepherd us into the sweet eternal void of godless death. Nothing matters. Enjoy Arbys
not too far off? :P
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion this is like a horoscope prediction
:P
 
@TonyTheLion Quite a ways off, IMO. I guess Arby's is all right in its way, but I still prefer food.
 
Why are people still interested in my constexpr math library? .____.
 
Because math is always relevant
 
7:57 PM
because its either a) good b) interesting or c) useful?
 
And constexpr math is sexy
 
@Morwenn ooooh you have a constexpr math library?
 
jagged has discovered a new spire
 
Most of all it's pretty incomplete and unmaintained.
 
so its no different to every other piece of code out there
 
7:59 PM
I only maintain it a bit when someone has an issue or a pull request.
 
@TonyTheLion lol
 
Even the trigonometric, hyperbolic and log functions (as well the the continuous integration) were made by other people x)
 
link?
 
I did document everything though.
 
> [...] but the constexpr support in Microsoft Visual Studio may not be sufficient yet
Anybody remotely inside the C++ world should know this
 
8:05 PM
Still I got an issue today saying that it has errors with VS17 but might be made to work. If it isn't too much work, I'm ok with that.
That said, I'd need to install at least the build tools, and set up an AppVeyor for the continuous integration.
Actually I'm surprised that people still try to use the library considering there's a high-quality implementation of the whole standard library as constexpr somewhere around GitHub.
@jaggedSpire @TonyTheLion @Shoe You're way too nice :3
 
@Morwenn <3 never to you, you deserve every amount of nice I give you
 
I'm about to quote my latest message :blushes:
 
Ven
<3 y'all
 
8:22 PM
<3
 
@MooingDuck I think that's not the request.
 
Ell
Hmm I need a super simple applicative dsl that I can use to show optimisations somehow :V
 
@JerryCoffin which is irritating when you own the answer and realized it was entirely wrong
 
@Ell if you explain 'applicative' to me in English I can understand
maybe
I still won't be able to help you
 
Ell
Ell I said
"English I can understand"
 
Ell
xD
 
8:41 PM
lol
 
@MooingDuck Indeed. Especially if you realize it at a time that you don't have time to do the major rewrite that it really needs.
 
Ven
:D
 
I just posted the edit
it's now like 6x the length
ah well
that's what quoting the standard does
 
8:56 PM
@jaggedSpire > [...] as of the time of writing [...]
 
@Morwenn they could fix it
 
/s/as/at/
 
at the time of writing, rather than as of?
 
Eh, tired me .____.
My brain didn't even proceed the « of ».
 
fixed it anyway. Answers on international sites don't need funny englishisms
 
9:11 PM
Or I should get some sleep. Your pick.
 
eh, why not both
 
Ven
@jaggedSpire what answer?
 
@Ven the one that took a Nicol Bolas to the face a couple hours ago
 
Ven
...?
 
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A: C++ Copy constructor gets called instead of initializer_list<>

jaggedSpireAs pointed out by Nicol Bolas, the original version of this answer was incorrect: cppreference at the time of writing incorrectly documented the order in which constructors were considered in list-initialization. Below is an answer using the rules as they exist in the n4140 draft of the standard,...

 
Ven
9:16 PM
ty
 
np
his answer is more concise
because I am borderline-incapable of being concise
http://stackoverflow.com/users/tag-future/{userid} is hilarious
 
@jaggedSpire Did you mean you're borderline basically almost pretty much just about impossibly-not capable of being concise with regards to various things and matters?
 
@ScarletAmaranth not quite, I'd say that I consider myself to frequently have strange amounts of difficulty in getting to the heart of a matter quickly, in favor of throwing around additional words and slightly irrelevant asides, likely due to a fairly disorganized manner of thought. The ultimate result, naturally, is that I am frequently wordy and typically require sentences and sentences to convey what others may in a single one.
:D
jaggedSpire is considered a high activity user, up to 0 of their answers could have been considered when the predictor was last updated Jan 8 '14 at 19:18.

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fun
 
Ell
9:42 PM
my assignment is due monday ahhh
 
how close to done are you, on a scale from 1 to oh-fuck
 
« going to sleep »
 
nn, bby <3
 
Thanks :)
 
10:01 PM
@Shoe Haha. Nice. :D
Don't you hate it when you have a tab playing music and you cannot figure out which one it is?
 
doesn't your browser display a little speaker on the one that's making noises?
 
10:25 PM
@jaggedSpire the real joke is I'm considered a high activity user
the only thing high-activity on this account is the chat history
 
@jaggedSpire It does but it does not do that in the XFCE windows lists. :)
 
Ven
<3 that's all we expect
 
with 21.6k posts in chat.so total, that should be high-activity
 
Ven
they're good users brent
 
not the highest but eh
@wilx alas
 
Ven
10:29 PM
@jaggedSpire where do you check?
 
@Ven chat profile
 
Ven
oh, found it. 25.9k messages, yay!
 
noice
 
Ven
puppy, 216k Oo
and @fredoverflow doesn't have his counter displayed, wut
 
he's magical
the room info page is probably easiest there
 
Ven
10:36 PM
@jaggedSpire imgur.com/a/9azvP
 
@Ven it is
super weird
his profile says 66.4k here though
76.4k total
 
Ven
i see
 
user1804599
Data.Generic.Rep is super rad.
 
user1804599
Data.Generic: ("SProd" "NN.Vertex.Vertex" ("SString" "") ("SProd" "Data.List.Types.Cons" ("SProd" "NN.Vertex.VertexID" ("SString" "e75d967d-a787-4704-92e8-806ae2d959d7")) ("SProd" "Data.List.Types.Nil")) ("SProd" "NN.Vertex.Style.Normal"))
Data.Generic.Rep: ("Vertex" "" (("VertexID" "e75d967d-a787-4704-92e8-806ae2d959d7")) ("Normal"))
 
10:59 PM
hey @jaggedSpire you should come to this cool discord i heard about
it has lots of sexy people
 
Ell
guise
Don't evangelise so hard :V
it's harassment at some point :P
 
yea but i'm in love with you
 
Ell
<3
 
@Ven woauf
 
@Ell wut
 
Ell
11:12 PM
@Borgleader referring to asking jagged to come to discord (again)
 
oh
did someone do that today?
i know there was discussion of that yesterday
 
Ell
it happened a few messages up :P
 
i just wanna know who
WHO DROVE AWAY MY JAGGED???
 
oh did it
 
oh?
by the way it definitely was not me
i just wanna know who
 
11:19 PM
/cc @jaggedSpire also boop
 
user1804599
I'm so happy.
 
user1804599
I achieved so many things this weekend.
 
@Borgleader :D
 
user1804599
Defeat the Ender Dragon, finished my storage building, upgraded my S-expression library to Data.Generic.Rep, added authorization to my outlining application, and a lot more.
 
Ell
@rightfold awesome
 
11:30 PM
@Borgleader there's too many popular misspellings to make it worth a search...
 
user1804599
@Ell wanna play again soon?
 
Ell
I'm gonna be pretty busy over the next 30 days :(
 
user1804599
We'll be building a watchtower with library inside soon
 
user1804599
Oh ok :p
 
Ell
I have 5 exams in january
@rightfold but if I get distracted and can justify it, I'll ping you :P
 
user1804599
11:39 PM
Ok :P
 
Ell
I need to write FreeA first :V
 
user1804599
Interesting find: use functors to change content but not structure, use natural transformations to change structure but not content.
 
I think the hamburger button should be called the pancake button so that it is consistent with the waffle button.
 
user1804599
I should look for a job but I'm nervous.
 
user1804599
I have the communicative skills of a Christmas tree.
15
 
Ell
11:51 PM
@rightfold you just stand there flashing at people? :P
 

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