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sbi
4:00 PM
@rubenvb I wouldn't even click this in order to feed my kids.
I once had to work with CMake for a few weeks, and it's still a terrible scar in my psychic buildup. (I left the company shortly after they introduced CMake and just before they switched to git.)
 
@sbi You're a bad parent.
 
@sbi what can you recommend then?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Would you kill babies to feed your kids with? See.
 
I just need some easy cross-platform build system, and mine isn't finished yet.
 
@sbi Yes
 
4:01 PM
Gosh.
 
sbi
@rubenvb For a cross-platform build system? Unfortunately, I cannot recommend anything.
 
@sbi where do you stand on git... I think your strongly recommended Hg over git
@rubenvb ant?
 
even DeadMG can use Hg
 
@sbi How could you even devise such a morbid hypothetical scenario?
 
and that's really saying something when it comes to source control
 
4:02 PM
lol
 
sbi
@DeadMG Yeah, but you're a dog. Dogs have almost no ethics compared to even the most brutal of chimps.
 
I'm an SVN man myself...
 
woof woof
 
4:02 PM
any experience here: industriousone.com/premake
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes If you think killing babies is morbid, try to wrestle CMake to do anything useful.
 
make confuses me
 
I know it's just another sucky CMake, but I like the aspect of using Visual Studio once in my life
maybe I could just use a friggin' shell script
 
@sbi so, killing babies < CMake ?
 
4:03 PM
@sbi Chimps rip peoples's faces apart for seemingly no reason
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Yep.
 
Lion's are better
:)
 
sbi
@thecoshman Who says they do for no reason??
 
@sbi ¬_¬ have you linked that to me before?
 
@TonyTheLion Why? They taste sweeter?
 
4:04 PM
@sbi "seemingly"
 
@RMartinhoFernandes no, they are more elegant, then chimps
:P
 
@thecoshman Yes, often
 
sbi
@thecoshman Likely. I link to it whenever the term "git" comes up. :-o
 
@sbi And then DeadMG is the dog.
 
what, even the English use of "git", a use that's more closely related to "fucker", as in, "you git"?
 
4:05 PM
@sbi ;:¬|
 
and yet still I haven't found a way to point CMake to a way to add "-I$project_source/include" to the CPPFLAGS....
 
sbi
@thecoshman Yeah, I've read that. My question still stands, though.
@RMartinhoFernandes ??
 
@DeadMG That's why Linus picked it: he always names his projects after himself.
@sbi You're pavlov often.
 
@sbi acts of rage are not a reason
@RMartinhoFernandes ¬_¬ not a Linus fan
 
4:07 PM
@thecoshman Nobody with sense is.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I never am Pavlov. I do pavlov, though. What's that got to do with the puppy being a puppy?
 
@thecoshman Hey, those are Linus's words not mine.
@sbi Damn.
 
woof woof
 
WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE! Linus is pronounced lie-nus, but Linux is pronouced Lin-ux :O
 
@sbi Dogs usually pavlov.
 
sbi
4:07 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes It took some mental restrain to wait for 2mins before posting that. :)
 
@DeadMG go bark outside
 
no, I'mma bark in yo ear
woof woof wooffington
 
who's pavlov :S
 
sbi
@thecoshman WHo said it was out of rage? (Not that chimps wouldn't do incredible brutal things out of rage.)
 
4:08 PM
woof woof I left my Terraria world at home
 
@sbi it's either that or they calmly rip peoples faces appart
ofc, I can't blame a chimp for being pissed that it has been held captive for so long
 
sbi
@thecoshman bit.ly/xEaBQ7
 
@sbi ¬_¬ I hate that site
 
4:10 PM
@thecoshman why?
 
sbi
@thecoshman I suppose you are referring to that woman who sat at Oprah? I don't know here story. Do you?
 
How do you force a preview of bit.ly links?
 
not sure if you can
 
@TonyTheLion every time I see that site (the LMGTFY) I just feel so retarded
 
I could make a really nasty comment
but I choose not to
 
4:11 PM
@thecoshman It's supposed to make you feel retarded
cause you failed to Google it yourself
 
@DeadMG :)
 
MAKE ALL THE NASTY COMMENTS!
 
@TonyTheLion I think he knows that.
 
@sbi actually, a show I saw on Discovery, the man had his nose ripped of by there 'pet' chimp'
 
4:11 PM
@TonyTheLion it works :(
 
Also 9 (?) people clicked that link.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Wow. Did you just google that? :D
 
@RMartinhoFernandes WTF, I know, I was wondering already
 
sbi
@thecoshman And he said it was seemingly without reason?
 
4:13 PM
@sbi It's awesome! It works for several shorteners.
 
though the man on the show had a really shitty pretend nose... not even close to his skin colour and very dodgy looking
 
TITS or GTFO
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Huh? What are you referring to? "Shorteners"?
 
@sbi it's seemingly with out no reason as they just seem to snap one day and go, for want of a better phrase, ape shit
 
@sbi just saying something totally random, supposed to throw people off
:P
 
4:14 PM
@sbi URL shorteners.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Not that random for you, no?
@RMartinhoFernandes I knew.
 
I guess you use those services mostly as URL cloakers.
 
@sbi lol
 
WTF is going on here.
 
no, pseudorandom
I broke the room... LULZ
 
4:15 PM
I feel like I'm missing something.
 
@TonyTheLion you've not started over again have you?
 
Success, I confused someone... :P
 
@RMartinhoFernandes a hart?
 
What's a hart?
 
prob means heart
 
4:16 PM
hart: An adult male deer, esp. a red deer.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes the result of a spelling fail
@RMartinhoFernandes TIL
 
No, I'm not missing any male red deer.
 
sbi
@thecoshman No, they don't. Chimps, especially male chimps, are incredibly powerful. Male chimps are also very power-hungry, and can become quite angry. Of course, not every time someone gets angry everybody around can see a good reason for that. That's the same for humans.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes but I think I may just be ¬_¬
 
4:17 PM
@sbi I thought you were a bonobo in disguise, so why are you talking about chimps?
 
sbi
@thecoshman Why don't you just get yourself a spillchucker for your damn browser? It probably prevents 50% of the possible typos one can make.
 
@sbi yeah, as a young'nthey are fairly sociable, but once they reach adulthood, the dominance starts to kick in
 
I don't have a spillchucker, because I don't want to chuck spills
 
@sbi you actually mean 'spillchucker' ?
 
How much spill could a spillchucker chuck if a spillchucker could chuck spill?
 
4:18 PM
@sbi and Chrome helps a lot
 
@RMartinhoFernandes LOTS
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Because I needed an example for a brutal species.
 
@sbi oh, but I'm a brutal species, why didn't you pick me?
 
@sbi Humans not brutal enough?
 
Robots are harmless.
 
4:20 PM
yea Humans use bullets and nuclear warheads, that's pretty brutal if you ask me :P
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Lions might have a lot of strength and power, but real brutality needs intelligence.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes unless programmed for destruction
 
sbi
@thecoshman It was a joke. Sigh.
 
@sbi oh....
 
@TonyTheLion I think humans have set a president in terms of self extermination attempts
 
4:20 PM
are you claiming I lack intelligence?
@thecoshman yep
 
@thecoshman Which president was that?
 
@sbi not a very good as far as I am concerned
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Roosefeld
 
@RMartinhoFernandes wait, is this a new homophone that I am unaware of?
 
4:21 PM
Who?
 
@thecoshman wtf is a "homophone"?
 
sbi
@thecoshman "precedence" != "president"
 
a gay phone???
 
@thecoshman It's not a homophone. It's somewhat similar but not the same.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion lmgtfy...
 
4:22 PM
@sbi ffs
 
@sbi precedent != precedence.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes :P :b
 
@TonyTheLion It's a telephone for homossexuals.
 
lulz, some people lack a dictionary in their lives
 
you know, I did make it out a high school
 
4:23 PM
well done to you
 
I'm not fully retarded
 
no, you're not, but you're not entirely normal either :P
 
oh great, sympathy stars (I'll take all I can)
 
sbi
@thecoshman For males. But they do not only dominate through sheer power, they do real politics. It's not uncommon for a weaker chimp male to get the help of a third one to dethrone the boss. Later, the new boss has to make concessions to his helpers (like letting him have sex with the females). If he "forgets" about that, the helper might shift allegiance and in turn help to dethrone his former ally...
 
4:24 PM
@TonyTheLion are any of us?
 
@thecoshman valid point
 
@RMartinhoFernandes like a hamophone?
 
@sbi It's dethrone.
@Potatoswatter It's that a telephone made out of pork?
 
@Potatoswatter is that a phone you can use to hammer nails in with?
 
will VS11 have unicode character literals? (any crystal balls out there?)
 
4:25 PM
unlikely
 
I was thinking of pork.
 
that would require them to make changes to their compiler
they don't like that
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Thanks. That's one of the cases where a spillchucker fails to suggest the right word.
 
@jalf Not even if it's for fixing bugs.
 
@jalf #@&$%!
 
4:26 PM
especially not then
 
btw, @DeadMG: your decltype(*u"") trick worked. But you knew that.
 
of course I did
 
can I define every occurence of u"something" to L"something"?
 
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Q: How to use class defined in a separate header within a namespace

user1134621I have a namespace in which I'd like to define a class. The class is rather complex so I'd rather define it in a separate header file, but even the simplest code gives me an "undefined reference" error. main.cpp #include <iostream> namespace A { #include "C.hpp" } int main() { A:...

UGh, #include into a namespace.
 
any hoops
I've done my time for today
Have a good weekend y'all
 
sbi
4:28 PM
@Cat, did you feel the quake where you live?
 
let the counter begin...
 
Oh, nevermind it's the first thing.
 
sbi
:)
 
Does anyone here have any practical experience with making huffman encoders ?
 
4:45 PM
can I somehow still keep initializer_list without pulling in all of the Standard library?
 
Does anybody here have a copy of the 11 standard?
 
Xeo
> You can only perform 6 searches within a 60 second window, please wait a moment and try again.
What would happen if I did more? Would SO crash? ~.~
 
@BenjaminLindley the latest publicly freely available draft is here: open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2011/n3242.pdf
 
Xeo
Those silly time-limited actions.
@BenjaminLindley You can get the 2011 papers from the github repo and compile it yourself with latex
 
@rubenvb: Yes, I know. I have that. My question was about whether the chapters and sections in the draft are numbered the same as the official standard.
 
Als
4:54 PM
@BenjaminLindley: Yes
 
Xeo
> Saying that Java is nice because it works on every OS is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on every gender.
I lol'd
 
Als
ahem...sex talks again
 
@rubenvb: You know that your project is completely impossible, right?
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked #define yo unsigned \n #define mama int
@Potatoswatter Of course, he knows it's impossible! Why else would he attempt to do it?!
Sheesh. Some people... :)
 
Als
@sbi: Hello, How have you been?
 
Xeo
5:04 PM
> The fantastic element that explains the appeal of games to many developers is neither the fire-breathing monsters nor the milky-skinned, semi-clad sirens; it is the experience of carrying out a task from start to finish without any change in the user requirements.
5
 
sbi
@Als Grumpy. (What did you expect me to answer?)
 
Als
@sbi: Ok, My bad I asked.
 
sbi
@Xeo Yeah, I knew I read it somewhere (I'm not that creative), but I was too lazy to search for its true origin (if that can even be found), which is why I just put it into quotes.
Anyway, I'm off now. See you later.
 
5:23 PM
@MrAnubis Until you use it for the first time and tell it that it's not.
 
@BenjaminLindley That was just a funny pic , I don't even use MS word :), I'm proud user of Notepadâ„¢ :)
 
You mean Wordpad, right?
 
@MrAnubis Eh. Humor is better when it contains a kernel of truth.
 
lol
@FredOverflow well I don't have any word processor softwares installed , truth, but yes notepad++ :)
 
Notepad++ is orders of magnitude better than Notepad.
 
5:31 PM
Probably should have been called "Notepad!"
 
or "not notepad"
 
"notepad factorial"
 
0_o
 
If someone posts a feature request on meta, then are up/down votes to be used as a way to vote for/against the feature? Or should downvotes only be used for bad and/or incorrect posts?
> On Meta Stack Overflow, voting is often used to express agreement or disagreement, not to point out a lack of quality or helpfulness.
OK, RTFM'd :D
 
@sbi No.
4.0 isn't anything significant, and it's about 120 km away.
 
5:53 PM
i miss notepad++ for linux
 
@StackedCrooked And also the quality of your free-hand drawn pony/unicorn.
R. got downvoted for drawing a unicorn and labeling it as a pony.
 
@Mysticial I can understand some consider that blasphemy.
@bamboon I think gedit and gvim are pretty good.
 
@StackedCrooked yeah i am using the codeblocks right now
 
I guess you could use Notepad++ on Wine :D
 
well, yeah^^
 
6:05 PM
@sbi Why else would I do this?
@bamboon Kate's pretty fancy
 
Hi @rubenvb
 
@Potatoswatter Never say impossible
@Szabolcs Hi
 
@rubenvb ok, gotta check that out once
 
@rubenvb You were committed to the old Mathematica SE proposal, but it got closed in the meantime, and a much more successful one was started (150 commits in 20 days already). It would help if you'd commit to the new one too, if you're still interested.
 
@Szabolcs I'll check it out once I find the time. Thanks for keeping me posted
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Q: How tightly coupled is the brace-initializer-list to the type `std::initializer_list`?

rubenvbCan I achieve the same effects without the C++ header <initializer_list>? Does class initializer_list have to live in namespace std (does the compiler require this)?

 
6:16 PM
0
Q: Maven and a *VERY SLOW* internet connection: how to speed up download?

DaviMy internet connection is VERY SLOW (< 50kbps, most of the time) and, because of that, I would like to know if there is a way to speed up the Maven download of the project's dependencies? I'm looking for something like partitioned download, feature we can find on Firefox's DownThemAll, Free Do...

Is this a real question?
 
There's nothing tricky to a unique_ptr is there? Just basic RAII and move stuff?
 
@Xaade Belongs on SuperUser...
 
I flagged as not a real question, should I reflag as off-topic?
 
@Xaade You won't be able to reflag it. Doesn't matter though, since any 10k acting on your flag will see that all the current close votes are for migration.
Granted, it's not a great question - on the borderline of "Don't migrate crap!". But I voted migrate anyway.
 
@Mysticial The naysayer references a question highly voted asking for how to download color schemes for an IDE. Also not a question. Highly voted just means stupid community.
 
6:27 PM
@Xaade Depends on how old it is. Now, those types of questions might be closed as "Not Constructive". But back in the older days, the rules were a lot more relaxed.
 
anyone know where I can find some article for a really simple malloc implementation?
I have no idea why I asked here instead of looking at wikipedia. Feel free to ignore me
 
sure
void* malloc(int size) { return HeapAlloc(GetProcessHeap(), size); }
 
I can theoretically typedef a template can't I? (although no compiler implements that so far)
 
@DeadMG my goal was to write an allocator that could allocate memory not in the heap. Thus, I need to rewrite a simple malloc :(
 
in C++11
there is in GCC
 
6:40 PM
@rubenvb yes
 
@MooingDuck Where would you possibly get it except the heap?
 
typedef template how?
 
@CatPlusPlus for example: stackoverflow.com/a/2795024/256138
I should've searched myself before asking
 
Well, yeah, you can do that with using. GCC supports it for a while now.
 
@DeadMG I got an idea from one of our things at work. It was designed for altering massive files on old computers with little RAM, so it stores the "temporary" data in a second file instead of RAM. Another idea is memory on a remote machine. Just for kicks.
 
6:42 PM
the only way to access that memory is to map it into your address space- i.e., effectively allocating it
 
@DeadMG not all at once though.
 
yes, but so what?
 
@CatPlusPlus lol it's GCC 4.7 only
 
you haven't saved yourself anything, you're just re-using memory
the same can be achieved by allocating a buffer and then re-using it
 
@DeadMG Actually, now that I think it through a little more, I seem to be re-implimenting paging in C++.
 
6:45 PM
memory comes off the heap, all that's done is fill it from someplace else
 
@DeadMG in our case, we're making changes to more data than fits in memory at once, but can't "save" until the user tells us, so we have to send the data to another temp file instead. Can't do that by reusing a buffer.
 
lol, I just tried to do a using on std::initializer_list with GCC 4.7, then use that "typedef" and I got an ICE.
great
 
sure you can
all you did was ask the hard drive to remember the previous contents
in terms of the process's actual memory, all you did was re-use a buffer
 
ah, Clang has em too
 
oh, and Windows comes with that functionality built in, if I recall
 
6:47 PM
@DeadMG oh, then yes. That's exactly what we're doing. I was just going to make an allocator (1) because it's interesting, and (2) to make it transparent to the coder
 
crap. Cmake sucks at Windows and Clang
 
@DeadMG yeah, it's paging system does. I'd just realized that.
 
well
 
@DeadMG yeah, the more I think about it, the more I realized I'm implementing mmap.
 
allocators are unbelievably complex and hard to get right
it's not something I'd write "for fun"
 
6:49 PM
WTF?
error: C++ requires a type specifier for all declarations
typedef decltype(nullptr) nullptr_type;
 
you sure your compiler supports both decltype and nullptr?
 
ah wait
that was the previous run without std=c++11
 
I could use a nice tracing debugging allocator.
 
grmble
how can I clear the cmd window?
 
6:51 PM
aha, cls
niceness
 
Have you guys heard yet? code.nasa.gov
 
meh
 
Hmm, I can't seem to use template aliases like I want.
 
Bootstrap is everywhere.
 
http://pastebin.com/pdrU8dh9
Clang fails to compile it
GCC 4.7 ICEs
anyone have Comeau?
Does Comeau have alias template?
 
6:57 PM
@rubenvb Comeau has comeau (comeaucomputing.com/tryitout)
 
@sehe I'd have to register
 
oh my, that's horrific
 

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