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12:08 AM
i tried :%s/\r\n/\n/g to remove windows line endings and it messed up stuff and has ^@ all over (null character according to my googling) and i can't find a way to restore it
wtf vim
 
That's not how you convert EOLs
 
:|
 
Also just undo
 
already quit x_x
 
Then restore from VCS
Also set up permanent undo
 
12:09 AM
not code. text file. not under VCS -.-
 
Also :help 'fileformat'
 
Good morning, Loungers.
 
Also :help undodir
 
what the fuck is this
'thanks for contributing'
'answer similar questions'
 
i just sed'd it
fucking vim screwing up my newlines >:C
 
12:23 AM
what the fuck
I wanted to edit a question to make it better
I open the edit thing
<br>'s everywhere
nope'd the fuck outta there
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Q: define clear function for win32 && linux

Dat Luckey my question should not be too hard to answere: I am trying to write a c program just to train up some c skills. However I can't tell on which system this program will run in the future. I want to make sure I have covered both unix and dos systems. I am trying to do it like this: '#ifdef _...

 
12:45 AM
Cat is better than dog.
Agreed?
 
+1
 
@DeanSeo Agreed. Cats being lazy makes for tender, juicy meat. Dogs are enough more active that the meat tends to be tough and stringy by comparison.
 
@JerryCoffin Lol.
 
1:07 AM
@DeanSeo -1
 
Korean people respect dogs. You guys know that.
Like a beef.
 
someone offered me their house for one dollar
I declined, a wise decision
it was detroit
:D
 
1:32 AM
I got a smartphone finally.
Now I can chat on the go.
 
@Nooble Well we couldn't chat with you on the go, it'd be an avalanche of @Noble plinks
 
@Borgleader I'll run out of data!
And then I'll charge the lounge.
 
2:03 AM
With battery?
 
@CatPlusPlus and assault!
 
2:50 AM
How many watts will you charge the lounge?
 
Should I create a 'data' namespace to throw my pod types into
 
holy shit
I don't mind answering SO questions
but my god does it take a lot of effort to weed through all the crap
 
@orlp (Another reason we need Atomic Coding)
 
what on earth is that
 
@orlp My idea that might have remedied it partially
 
2:57 AM
that doesn't explain what atomic coding is
 
@orlp Area 51 proposal
It got closed by a mod...
 
it's not appropriate for SE
you're proposing a wiki
 
@orlp Yeah, probably
It's just the wiki format isn't quite right
Idk I might try a different idea but I don't do web programming yet
 
@chmod711telkitty 99999999999999999999
 
but I don't think it'll solve anything
what we need is a good educational path for programming
that introduces concepts one by one
beginners shouldn't be fucking using strtok in C with raw pointers
I can't even get that right without at least recompiling 3 times
 
3:01 AM
@orlp rght
I'm writing a C++ tutorial
 
we're all painfully aware
 
@orlp "Can you tell me where it hurts?"
"There is no pain you are receiving"
 
at the innocent beginners
 
@orlp s/at/all
 
4:00 AM
today I learned you can totally blacklist tags on SO
no more fucking wordpress, pygame or pandas questions!
halleluja!
 
4:14 AM
Lunch time with some caffein fix!!
 
4:45 AM
Java is a good place for rep-whoring. So many stupid questions.
 
@Cicada Be safe. You should enjoy too! :D
 
 
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5:50 AM
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Q: Did Edgar Allan Poe predict a shipwreck?

Chris Loonam Edgar Allan Poe predicted the future. His only novel is about 4 shipwrecked men who run out of food and eat the cabin boy, Richard Parker. 46 years after it published, a yacht sank in real life and 3 of the 4 survivors also decided to eat the cabin boy... name Richard Parker. This claim ha...

 
6:08 AM
3 hours left to get off !! ! !
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@DeanSeo ...................................
You sure take a long time.
 
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(ㅡ_ㅡ)a
>(/////)<
 
6:46 AM
@orlp how did you manage before...
 
@sehe I wonder
 
@MarkGarcia and included a shipwrecked Bengal tiger called "Richard Parker" in the book.
@MarkGarcia how so? Reads rather neutral to me.
(alternatively can be summarised as "if you survive jail you might get lucky with a career as movie crook.")
 
@sehe It's a consolation for the cannibalized man. It's his turn now. :D
@sehe I never knew Trejo's background.
And he showed up in lots of movies I saw.
 
7:05 AM
Okay
How might I get ahold of John Cartarino?
He's the once that closed my Area 51 idea and I recently reformat the proposal to conform closer to SE's form.
 
Ven
o/, lounge
 
@Ven What?
 
@Cinch what was it?
 
@khajvah Atomic Coding?
I recently revised the question process
 
what does atomic coding mean?
 
7:11 AM
Blowing s*** up with errors! :P
 
@khajvah It's a FAQ website for programming that's catered towards beginners for maximum readability and composability of topics for easy learning.
 
is there a site for OS developers?
 
Socratic learning.
 
Operating Systemsoperatingsystems.stackexchange.com

Q&A site for the study, design, and development of Operating Systems.

Closed after 23 days in beta.

 
@khajvah noooooooooo....
 
7:14 AM
Apparently, there aren't many OS developers.
 
There are.
But they all sit at osdev.org.
Regular forums are far better for that kind of things than SE format.
 
@khajvah So did you look at the proposal?
@Griwes I sort of agree since it's the back-and-forth thing and the OS business isn't easily answered
 
@Cinch Exactly, yes.
 
@Griwes Is there an IRC channel for that?
 
@khajvah #osdev @ Freenode.
 
7:18 AM
@Griwes What do you think about Atomic Coding?
 
Ven
yay, steam is back
 
@Cinch No idea, I have no idea what that is.
 
@Griwes Good, I will check it out
 
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Q: The Philosophy of Atomic Coding

CinchProposal: Atomic Coding Obviously, it would be a huge undertaking to simply throw out questions and topics randomly, so there must be some sort of administration process to decide which questions are "proper" or "organized." This is an overview of the proposed process: Philosophy Atomic Codi...

 
morning
 
7:20 AM
@Cinch meh
 
@Griwes Please! This is very important! It might solve the newbie issues with SO!
It also gives us a place to redirect beginners that need to learn basic concepts!
 
Why do you think SO is not a newbie place?
 
@Cinch It solves none of the issues of SO, and optimizing for newcomers isn't generally the best way to go.
 
I have downvote privileges on Area51.
 
7:21 AM
@Griwes It's not simply optimizing
It's supporting Socratic learning.
It's a different paradigm that SO that runs orthogonal to it.
 
meh
 
While SO is reactionary, Atomic Coding would be proactive in answering FAQs.
This way, we can reroute users to the FAQs as a sort of home website for extremely readable canonicals.
 
@Cinch You have an idea for a wiki page probably.
 
@khajvah No, it won't fit a wiki format.
I'm going to write why today.
 
C++, for example, already has a semi-official FAQ.
 
7:26 AM
Oh god. Again?
 
@Griwes "Semi" How many people do we actually route here?
 
Ven
it also has an official FQA.
 
@Ven The FQA is written by a total moron. So there's that.
 
@Xeo Nope it's still on my todo list.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, more socratic than ever
 
7:33 AM
I don't think that means what @Cinch thinks it means.
 
What anime should I watch?
 
Xeo
Bahamut
Patema Inverted
 
@Rapptz Hikaru no Go
 
I'm not that lame Cinch.
 
@Rapptz You don't know what you're talking about.
 
7:34 AM
user image
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@Cinch I remember seeing it in Shounen Jump.
 
oh god I knew it
 
lol
 
@Xeo meh
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Just because something is published in Jump doesn't mean it's shit :P Exhibit a) Assassination Classroom.
 
7:36 AM
Weak point.
And not even my implication
 
One Piece.
 
@StackedCrooked One VERY LONG Piece.
God it's beaten Kishimoto how about that?
 
It seems MAL updated.
 
> I suppose there's no backflow preventer in mentoring
lol
@Cinch VOTING DOWN REQUIRES 125 REP WHYYY
 
7:52 AM
@Rapptz don't get it
 
@Cinch how about Stack Overflow
 
@BartekBanachewicz Let me revise this.
"Why Atomic Coding Is Not Stack Overflow"
 
let me revise this
how long have you been using SO
one year. This should be plenty to notice that the questions you propose for AC are already on SO and they're fine here
the fact that some of them are more frequently asked is another thing, that's why we close as dupes
as for tutorials, no site on SO is made to tutor you.
lol
 
@Griwes Did you use anything from the C++ standard library in ReaverOS ?
 
8:07 AM
@BartekBanachewicz It's done.
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Q: Why Atomic Coding Is Not Stack Overflow

CinchProposal: Atomic Coding Stack Overflow is a general programming Q&A website reserved for only programming. Atomic Coding is a programming learning Q&A website dedicated to answering frequently-asked programming questions with minimal, compact, extremely digestible answers, modeling the Socrat...

 
lol this will never end
 
@AndyProwl It probably won't.
 
sigh
 
The reason Stackoverflow receives shit questions is because people like to be spoon-fed. You can't change that, ever.
 
He doesn't care. He just wants to be seen as a mentor, that's all.
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8:14 AM
it's pretty funny when you think about it
 
BTW, programmers.se (which was made for "professional programmers") is in the same situation.
 
>Stack Overflow is not built specifically for learning programming. It is a helpful resource, but not a primary learning resource.
@Cinch bullshit
 
SocratesOverflow
 
@khajvah Programmers.SE is a fucking swamp. if this "atomic coding" thing ever existed it would probably be even worse
@AndyProwl lol
 
> TypeBitfields: Bitfields required by the Type class.
Such an awesome documentation
how the heck am I supposed to know what the TC bit means?
 
Xeo
8:17 AM
lol
 
all right, let's dive in that swamp source code again
 
@khajvah <type_traits>
@khajvah <cstdint>, <cstddef>
 
@Griwes I see, so the reason you used C++ and not C is <type_traints> and maybe templates, right?
 
Okay, discussion done.
Atomic Coding is debunked! Yay!
 
@khajvah <atomic>, <utility>
 
8:26 AM
Long dead Atomic Coding!
 
@khajvah No, the reason is C is shit and C++ is less shitty.
But if I were to enumerate the reasons... templates, overloading, namespaces, something that actually resembles an actual type system... :P
 
fair enough
@Griwes have you tried Rust?
 
Atomic Coding deleted.
:)
 
wooo I got an upvote on area51
I want more rep there
to be able to downvote shitty proposals
 
@khajvah I looked at it. Didn't convince me at all.
 
8:28 AM
you repwhore :D
 
Maybe you should make your own place where noob can ask noob questions and never return
 
Okay so I've decided I'm going to go on an editing spree to improve the readability of Stack Overflow.
I think canonicals and good formatting is the answer.
 
oh god
where does it stop
 
It doesn't.
 
death is the only answer
 
8:30 AM
No, he will raise from his grave and continue his task, but he won't need to do anything else, so he will continue to do that forever.
Without a break.
 
@cinch your 'atomic codding' proposal is best solved as a wiki
 
Told him that. Didn't listen.
 
@Cinch I look forward to rejecting all this stupid edits
 
return (obj->*(l->mfunc))(L); // call member function
guys
guys
 
and dolls
we're nothing but a crazy bunch of guys and dolls
 
8:36 AM
Why no girls?
I like 'em.
 
I guess that's what he meant by dolls
 
@BartekBanachewicz wat.
 
well the code is kinda fine
but looks funny :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz Where is that code from?
 
@cinch crap damn it, first one and I can't really reject it :P
 
8:39 AM
@thecoshman good.
 
> rustaceans
lol
 
@Cinch but seriously, don't make me follow up everyone with removing the bold font.
 
is there any reason to use rust over c++?
 
@Mr.kbok Safety
 
@thecoshman Use bold for outlining the direct answer to the question.
@Mr.kbok Safety without overhead.
 
8:40 AM
@Cinch it being the first paragraphs suffices
 
hmm, C++ is safe enough IMO
 
@thecoshman I disagree.
 
@Mr.kbok do you enjoy having no libraries?
 
@thecoshman Not especially :p
 
@Mr.kbok C++ is bloated and ugly in comparison to many other languages.
 
8:41 AM
@Cinch bold is distracting by design. You do not need to make the entire first paragraph distracting.
 
@thecoshman Even titles for newspapers are bolded and made bigger
 
@Cinch They are no paragraphs though...
 
@thecoshman ...Yes. There are.
 
@Cinch That's a common and useless opinion, not a reason to use rust
 
Also, if you are going to fucking update old C++ question, at least update it to C++11
ie, remove 'auto_ptr' crap
 
8:42 AM
@thecoshman auto_ptr still exists in C++11
It exists in C++03 too
My school is still stuck on C++03
 
@Cinch wtf?
 
@thecoshman It's deprecated.
 
you were just on about having good modern tutorials
but ooooh no, auto_ptr is still technically standard, so I let people learn to use that
 
@thecoshman It deserves a short mention or disclaimer.
Like "don't touch the stove"
 
@Cinch not really
and no where near what it gets there
 
8:45 AM
Guys, do you think that making programming easier by improving the abstraction of how things internally work and publishing new fancy languages will eventually be a dead end of programmers? Like the Gresham's law.

Do you guys also think that Java sucks at all parts? (:p)
 
@thecoshman Just remember--there are probably schools that still teach it.
I certainly got tripped up on old articles regarding it.
 
"there is technically 'auto_ptr', but it is deprecated in favour of 'unique_ptr'" <-- enough said
 
@DeanSeo we already have one Cinch, thanks!
 
@Cinch so don't add to pile of shite!
 
@Cinch It's better removed all along. IIRC it's going to be removed in C++17.
 
8:46 AM
Yesssss
 
@DeanSeo What so you mean a dead end?
 
@MarkGarcia My college will probably not move from C++03 for a long time.
 
I stopped using auto_ptr even a long ago before it gets deprecated.
 
It's unfortunate but I believe it deserves a mention simply because so many are still so far behind
 
@Cinch Doesn't mean you should too.
Doesn't mean the industry should too.
 
8:48 AM
@MarkGarcia Hell no! I don't ever use auto_ptr!
 
@Cinch not really. if anything quite the opposite
 
But people should be told not to use it!
NOT to use it!
Silence is ambiguous.
If you don't like it, we'll say it.
@thecoshman Also I added the "don't use it" part.
 
@Mr.kbok You know, like talking about compiler / operating system (what matters in this field) is meaningless because everybody thinks that they've learned it or it's not important to care about.
 
@DeanSeo No.
 
Where everybody writes shitty code and it runs just perfectly.
 
8:50 AM
All abstraction is meaningless where it doesn't exist.
 
@Cinch not really
 
@thecoshman Why do you think embedded often supports C and not C# or Java?
 
user1804599
@Columbo no
 
Hi guys
 
@Cinch strawman dude.
 
8:51 AM
@Mekap Hi
 
@thecoshman It's because C is easier and less complex to implement than Java and its VM.
 
@DeanSeo our codebase :P
 
@Mekap Hello. You deserve those stars. :)
 
@Cinch dude, that has nothing to do with you initial point that abstractions are meaninglss where they don't exist
 
@MarkGarcia thanks, my life is now complete :D
 
8:52 AM
@thecoshman We can't have our lazy programs without a system to facilitate them.
 
@DeanSeo Yeah well it isn't important
 
@Cinch have you moved on to making other distinct points, or still on about abstractions?
 
@Mr.kbok Why so?
 
if (C programs cannot be lazy AND Java is hard to implement && C.lazy_tolerence < Java.tolerence)
C_matters_over_Java = true;
 
I have no idea what this discussion is about
 
8:54 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Haskell?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Cat Cat Cat Cat Cat Cat
Cat's superior.
 
@DeanSeo 99% of all programmers will never need to know how data structures or algorithm really work, let alone operating systems. They just need to know which node package to use and slap a few lines of code found on stackoverflow
 
Welcome to the internet, this cat's gonna be your guide
 
 
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Q: Constexpr is not allowed in declaration of friend template specialization?

TemplateRexI'm porting a C++14-constexpr codebase from Clang to the latest g++-5.1. Consider the following reduced code snippet of a home-grown bitset class that has been compiling correctly since the halcyon days of Clang 3.3 (almost 2 years now!) #include <cstddef> template<std::size_t> class bitset; t...

might interest someone
 
8:56 AM
@BartekBanachewicz abstractions, originally...
 
@Mr.kbok I disagree. Knowing how each data structure and algorithm works (at least on high level) helps you to write a better code.
 
EACH AND EVERY ONE
 
@DeanSeo Most people who study CS will then proceed to do some stupid shit for a few years and then become project manager because it pays more
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IN MORDOR WHERE THE SHADOWS LIE
 
8:57 AM
@khajvah sadly the game isnt about producing a better code now, it's about how fast you can deliver something that works
 
@Mekap took me a while to get, admittedly
 
@Mr.kbok Right. But I think that could also ironically mean that understanding how data structures or algorithm really work is important because only 1% of them know it. So I sorta feel your little sadness or anger about that from your statement.
 
@Mekap I think, that is overaccepted opinion. Performance matters in a lot of cases.
 

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