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12:01 PM
It's not a duplicate question. Everyone isn't understand. It's not windows console. It's the output screen of visual studio console program. — Nafeeur Rahman 3 hours ago
EVERYONE ISN'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE THINGS
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Why is everyone so obsessed about doing things differently
 
@Xeo Well, what stops you. Do that in GCC or in Clang? :)
 
@Xeo let ftw
 
And by do I mean implement.
 
I'd even write let (it, inserted : bool) = map.emplace(...)
 
12:05 PM
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl yeah, but that's far outside the C++ norm
 
fuck it I cba to not benchmark
let's have some fun
 
@Xeo Let's fuck the C++ norm :P It's ugly and inconsistent. If let were to be added, why just for pattern matching in tuple initialization?
 
I am so unproductive today, I would fire myself if I was the boss
 
let var : type = value; fuckyeah
 
12:06 PM
@Xeo You can do destructuring assignment with tie
 
Xeo
@Mr.kbok I know. Not the same.
(no deduction for one)
 
and you have to construct in advance which is ugly
 
Ah right
@AndyProwl Agreed.
 
Ven
@AndyProwl #define let(...) std::tie(VA__ARGS) ?
 
You can start by making it a macro though
 
12:09 PM
@Ven I don't think that would change anything
still can't end up with declarations inside std::tie
 
Ven
@AndyProwl oh, I agree. sorry, I only backlogged a bit
@AndyProwl what's "adl_get"?
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's not dumb, it's ignorant, but I wouldn't expect you to know the difference :P
 
@Ven It's @Xeo's code, ask him :) I presume it's a version of get<> which finds get() using ADL lookup - which is disabled for function template calls where arguments are explicitly specified.
 
Xeo
ye
 
@thecoshman seriously, if you believe Poland has no Internet, white bears roam the streets and you can go there by car from Korea, I reserve the right to call you dumb.
 
Xeo
12:12 PM
It's a cop-out notation since I didn't want unscoped using std::get; but also didn't want get leaked into the scope otherwise.
The "transformed" version is what the standard would define as "equivalent"
 
@BartekBanachewicz then kneel before my selective ignorance!
 
Xeo
(same as ranged-for-loops)
 
@Xeo Actually wouldn't that require using namespace std;? I think using std::get would always cause std::get to be invoked
 
Ven
> There isn't yet support for compiling managed code on OS X. The following instructions assume you are on a Windows machine with clones of both the CoreCLR and CoreFX repos and that has a correctly configured environment.
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl nope. using std::get; pulls the name "get" into scope, allowing ADL on it
 
Ven
12:13 PM
Lol, not gonna build anything on mac yet for now then
 
@BartekBanachewicz huh... I was going to contest that final point, but you really can't drive from Korea to Poland by car
 
Xeo
and falling back on std::get if ADL finds nothing
same as using std::begin; etc
 
I guess that slight problem of North Korea does block the way some what :P
 
Ven
use std::{begin,end}; \o/
 
> If you thought our first book was inappropriate for kids, this volume is barely appropriate for adults! More incest, genocide, talking animals, martyrs, abortion, wrestling, magic, and selficide! What would Jesus do
 
12:15 PM
@BartekBanachewicz oh no! not talking animals!!!!
 
@Xeo I see. For some reason I thought otherwise. Recently I had a situation where I was using std::placeholders:: stuff, and my TU was including both boost.function headers and <functional>; with using namespace std::placeholders I had ambiguities (both were found), while using std::placeholders::_1 resolved the ambiguity. That's probably what tricked me
 
@thecoshman that would be hell of a trip
 
@BartekBanachewicz you certainly have some shitty countries to drive through
 
oh you and your fucking racism again
 
Well, this proves @Xeo right
 
Xeo
12:18 PM
@AndyProwl I think a targeted using-declaration makes that the first lookup target (after ADL for functions), as opposed to the broaded using-directive which just makes the names available in general.
 
Yep, thanks
 
@BartekBanachewicz did you not see how much I was melting in Germany? the east would make that look like a fridge!
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl That example is not quite right
 
though... maybe if I had some seriously beefy aircon...
 
@thecoshman I'd go via Russia I guess
 
12:21 PM
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, China would be slow for the most part I'd imagine, very bussy...
 
@thecoshman not, it would be longer
 
but then driving all the way though Russia doesn't sound as fun
@BartekBanachewicz longer drive, probably faster though
as in, getting out of second gear
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl Here. Uncomment X::foo to see the effect.
 
@thecoshman see the difference?
 
12:22 PM
oh I see what you mean
maps are awkward :P
 
@Xeo You're right, I was just rewriting it to that example
 
I think going down to Vietnam for the start would be a more fun drive though
 
@BartekBanachewicz it goes through kazakhstan
 
I'd like to go on such a trip, on a motorbike though
 
very nice
 
12:24 PM
@AlexM. that's the "wrong" route
 
@BartekBanachewicz depends how you want to define the 'right' route really.
 
google maps tells me that I can walk from my city to the capital in 83 hours :A
 
shortest distance, probably not the most fun though.
 
@orlp Tsk, referencing std::numeric_limits with no #include <limits>
 
as a fun fact though, there are beggars that are known to walk from the capital to my city during summer
I can't imagine them walking through the mountains in winter
 
12:26 PM
@thecoshman russia is empty for the most part, like the US
I mean, you go trough bigger cities, like Irkutsk and Omsk
 
[root@localhost src]# ./bench
A1
        avg 0.000161ms  (over 1000000 runs)
A2
        avg 0.000140ms  (over 1000000 runs)
B1
        avg 0.000005ms  (over 1000000 runs)
B2
        avg 0.000005ms  (over 1000000 runs)
 
@BartekBanachewicz a few nice spots though
 
An is my original impl; Bn is with your intrinsics
x1 is with high bits set; x2 is with only really low ones
conclusion: much better overall :)
thanks m8
actually I wonder whether this is even right cos that's suspiciously good
 
heh 9,1k km to Moscow
nice ride
 
@BartekBanachewicz so very busy I hear
 
12:29 PM
the road seems alright on satellite images btw
I'd be afraid to do it not knowing russian though
OTOH, by train...
 
@BartekBanachewicz cyka blyat
and you're good
you can also ask "speak english bro?"
and if he replies in russian you say "gg" and turn around and leave
 
Take some vodka with you, you will be alright.
 
@BartekBanachewicz majority of young people have an understanding of English, enough for you to get by.
 
@BartekBanachewicz so far I've learned that whilst russians have windows, they do not have doors
 
@BartekBanachewicz My cousin did most of that a couple of years ago. Bought a cheap used car, and drove from here to Mongolia. It is doable :p
 
12:40 PM
@jalf did he ever come back?
 
@thecoshman Hehe, yeah. When they got there, they sold the car and flew back
The whole trip took a couple of months, IIRC
They brought a camera and made a movie about it. Looked.... Epic :p
 
@jalf TBQF I have a bit of fear about the eastern part of the trip
 
that sounds interesting
 
also I wouldn't stop at Mongolia, I suppose I'd fly back from Japan
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, I don't think I'd be comfortable doing it either.
 
12:43 PM
@Nisk interesting
 
(iirc they flew back from China)
 
@BartekBanachewicz now who's racist?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I was in Belarus last summer, went to a cafe in Minsk, bartenders spoke fluent English to me.
 
@Xeo templates are fun, you're right
 
@BartekBanachewicz o_0 which is about as far east as you can
 
12:46 PM
might be a different story in the countryside
 
@thecoshman We fear the unknown. I know very little about the far east; note how I didn't call the whole countries "shitty", like you did, wanker.
 
I'm trying to extend the stuff I wrote earlier to other parts of the JNI and see if I can manage to fit the things like turning JNI-specific types into expected types (e.g. jstrings into std::strings and arrays into w/e collection the client wants) under a single wrapper
and it's fun because I have no idea what I'm doing so at every step I'm like "whoa, that's cool"
 
@Nisk Me an my GF are planning our 5th anniversary trip to Vilnius
 
@BartekBanachewicz vOv I was joking, you were being racist
 
@thecoshman Yes I've already realized you have no freaking idea on what racist behaviour is about.
 
12:57 PM
I need a book on Clang :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz winding you up... what else?
@AndyProwl ooor, just use gcc :P
 
@thecoshman I doubt that's going to make things better
 
@thecoshman if you haven't realized yet, trying to hide your terrible, annoying, racist or otherwise offensive behaviour with "just winding you up" added as an afterthought is hardly working
 
ITT, the lounge develops a social conscience? Now that's a new one. :p What's next, are we going to start claiming that women are people too?
 
I'm just too dumb to understand Clang's design from the crappy code full of macros and the crappy documentation empty of text
 
12:58 PM
(that's probably a bridge too far, I realize that)
 
I have no idea how the AST looks like either and dumping it doesn't really dump the whole thing so rant rant bla bla
 
@AndyProwl What are you trying to do? Making cool clang-based tools or something?
 
Xeo
@jalf "people" is a verb now?
 
in other news, my flat officially has doorknobs :D
fuck yeah
 
1:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz those are handles, you knob
 
@jalf For some definition of "cool". It's a tool for work. But I can't seem to understand anything about Clang
 
@Xeo Hah, you were too quick. Protip: wait for the edit period to expire before correcting people :D
 
@thecoshman beh handles
 
And I hate when I don't understand things even after trying hard
 
Xeo
@jalf vOv
 
1:01 PM
@BartekBanachewicz door handles, not bed handles :P
 
@AndyProwl hmm, let me know if you find any good resources. I've been thinking about playing with it myself
 
I feel so stupid. I totally understand how noobs and help vampires feel, except I'd be willing to read materials if they existed
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nice. Friends of mine have been there, said it was really nice. If you want a nice summer-time destination I can recommend Jurmala in Latvia, very nice seaside town. Good beer.
 
@AndyProwl how goes the study on super cold helium?
 
@thecoshman It never started :( But I haven't forgotten how stupid I felt back then, either
(nothing changed)
 
1:02 PM
@AndyProwl to be fair, we were all rather tipsy
 
ugh
why doesn't pull update submodules :/
 
pull --recursive, isn't it?
 
I mean ffs why isn't there a damn diagram with nodes of the AST and the edges for parent-child relationships, is it that hard to make one? Or is it so obvious to deduce the structure of the tree from the code? Because I can't. If at least dumping the tree did dump the entire tree
rant rant derp derp
 
@BartekBanachewicz git is not about making it easy for you
 
@jalf nope
 
1:08 PM
I do like the fact on the latest version of git, you can tell it that you already have a submodule as a 'standalone' repo else where, so no need to clone the entire thing all over again.
 
ugh fuckers closing racing tracks in Poland
god damn it I can't comprehend people stupidity
 
@BartekBanachewicz who is? why?
 
> 1. buy a cheap property near a racetrack
> 2. move there
> 3. complain about the noise
> 4. profit
 
oh, plebs
 
hm I'm getting some passive rep
but it's quite little actually
 
1:13 PM
45 minutes left
 
I worked like 2-3 hours whole day today
 
1:27 PM
@BartekBanachewicz That's not stupid; that's really quite smart
@BartekBanachewicz lol git
@thecoshman lolol
 
@LightningRacisinObrit that's "by design" apparently
 
@BartekBanachewicz git is indeed shite by design
you should switch to SVN
join the revolution
 
@LightningRacisinObrit if you call "being a dick" smart, then yes, in some sense stealing is also smart
 
being a dick is not inherently smart, but it is possible to be accurately described as both for the same action
 
@LightningRacisinObrit how about something with more reasonable branches?
 
1:29 PM
SVN branches are fine
 
said no one ever
 
good comeback
 
I am not sure if "no local changes" is a good policy, btw
handling changes via local branches in order to push them in a reasonable way is useful
also commit hashes, which were weird at first, make a lot of sense in the end.
 
git is better
 
that on its own is hardly constructive vOv
 
1:36 PM
Consider it some kind of vote :p
 
@BartekBanachewicz no rule is good when taken too literally
 
@thecoshman that's not a "rule"; SVN commit means remote sync
 
> We're going to remove the payment feature from the Skyrim workshop. For anyone who spent money on a mod, we'll be refunding you the complete amount. We talked to the team at Bethesda and they agree.

We've done this because it's clear we didn't understand exactly what we were doing. We've been shipping many features over the years aimed at allowing community creators to receive a share of the rewards, and in the past, they've been received well. It's obvious now that this case is different.
lol Valve backtracking
after community backlash
 
@BartekBanachewicz vOv it's a rule that is enforced by the software
 
1:37 PM
@thecoshman it's not a rule, it's the design
 
personally, I don't see much benefit in having to be connected to a repo to commit
@BartekBanachewicz ergh... never mind
 
ask @LightningRacisinObrit what's the benefit
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm ok actually.
really get's quite tiring having to sift over all this Java boilerplate
 
Ugh GCC still doesn't have static_assert(expr);? Suckage.
 
1:43 PM
> How he did it:

Blaine spent 9 months spying on Ford from a tree outside his window, he filmed 42 hours of video of Ford playing cards and learned his favourite cards, then, before this encounter, he got the top 20 cards Harrison used and put them in all in different fruits in his house, and that my friends is how the trick was done.
seems legit
 
@thecoshman There's no inherent benefit in that. But there's not much of a disaster in losing it, either.
So while it's oft cited as the useful difference between SVN and Git (and DVCS in general), I dispute that it's a factor worthy of much consideration.
Naturally, git proponents then just shrug off all of its disadvantages cos distributed, dude!
Git users just want to look "hip" and "cool", frankly.
@BartekBanachewicz You can do that with SVN, dude.
@BartekBanachewicz Nothing stops you from "branching" a remote repo onto a local SVN instance, then merging back upstream when you're done.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit how do you do that?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Just like you'd branch anything
 
@LightningRacisinObrit otoh, you're spewing what they are saying, just with a negative sign
your blabbering about Git is as silly as blabbering of most blabberers about SVN
 
I'm not "blabbering". I'm presenting evidence and concrete observations.
 
1:49 PM
2 mins ago, by Lightning Racis in Obrit
Git users just want to look "hip" and "cool", frankly.
 
amazing evidence
 
that was meant to be sarcastic
 
For those not keeping track, the evidence is right here in front of you -------------> @BartekBanachewicz :)
@BartekBanachewicz Was it?
 
1:49 PM
here we go to ad hominems
lel, whatever
 
That is not an ad hominem.
 
I see where this is going clearly
Nice talking to you, bye.
 
Yes, it is going to you throwing your toys out of the pram because you cannot handle the truth shattering your illusions.
haha called it
<3
 
Why do I bother unplonking LRIO
it's like
I keep having faith in people for some reason
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's the triumph of optimism over reality.
7
 
1:51 PM
nicely phrased
sooo, I have an hour left in the office today
what to do
 
@BartekBanachewicz I suppose if all else fails, you could do some work. Poor idea, I know, but sometimes you have to fall back on those.
 
> OMG GIT IS AMAZING
> Actually, if you'll permit me for a moment, I have some reasons why SVN may be considered superior from a certain point of view.
> OMG WHY DO I LISTEN TO YOU I'M PLONKING YOU NOW WHO IS NOW GOING TO JOIN ME IN A CHARACTER ASSASSINATION
 
sounds like giving up
you do that often?
 
@BartekBanachewicz All too often, I'm afraid.
 
1:54 PM
ahaha I see you recruited Jenny Muffin into your campaign of hatred
what a delightfully mature pair you are
 
oh, hey, I found a new thing to do
I can not respond to another recruiter! :D
 
@orlp I had indeed fucked up the benchmark, but I still get a ~25% speed-up across all realistic inputs
so still thanks
unfortunately this branch will be ongoing for like months and months so it won't hit production for ages yet
 
London/Hamburg this time
 
perhaps if I used Git then my productivity would be improved but y'know
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have 30 something linked in invitations from recruiters that I get to ignore, it's fun!
 
1:55 PM
not cool enough
 
I've realized "Londong/Hamburg" sounds like "C/C++"
 
there is no London in Hamburg
 
@SamDeHaan I typically add them, I like to know what's going on around me
Some of them are really bad, but there's a lot of reasonable people IMHO
 
@wilx you might also want to look at this
 
Cicada is on linkedin's home page
 
1:58 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Londong is all right but Long Wang would be better still.
 
@khajvah lol
@Cicada how you get your old face on Linkedin?
 
@JerryCoffin lol wut
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oops-linked to the wrong one. You had the typo below.
5 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I've realized "Londong/Hamburg" sounds like "C/C++"
 
ah
I am surprised you missed an opportunity for a Long Dong
 
I don't like linkedin faces.
 
2:03 PM
C++17 to allow operator. ... interesting...
 
Xeo
wat
 
@BartekBanachewicz now theres some racism
@Xeo here... scroll down to llike slide 4 I think it was...
> operator dot (to finally get proxies and smart references)
 
sbi
Dear robot, hippo birdbath!
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2:04 PM
@thecoshman Hahahaha I don't envy library writers now
 
Xeo
@thecoshman whyyy
 
@BartekBanachewicz he he he
 
sbi
(Could someone please star/pin that?)
8
 
@Xeo ... for proxies and smart references obviously
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz Even robots become older.
 
2:05 PM
(he he he)
 
sbi
I bet the pirate was the idiot who started this.
2
 
:D
and proud of it
yes, I do have a big cheesy grin on my face
 
Xeo
@sbi You know the pirate got problems with this and that.
 
sbi
Anyway, I need to go. If you so dislike the robot, then do not pin/star that message, and rob him of the pleasure to be congratulated here. I can always text him, if I want to.
 
the point is we have not a slightest idea what you mean
 
2:07 PM
@Xeo no, I have problems with their they'r there :P
 
sbi
@thecoshman Their you have it.
 
@sbi lol, you think you can reverse sphycolicy us
GOD DAMN IT WHO GAVE IN!!!!
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz Well, but then: you are a Haskel advocate, so how can you understand things like birthdays?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman sounds like a disease.
 
@sbi weir?
 
sbi
2:08 PM
@thecoshman Ixactly.
 
@Xeo I gave up trying to get any closer :(
 
sbi
Nevertheless, I do need to leave.
 
I'll go to my corner now.
 
Xeo
@sbi *Haskell. Two L
 
2:08 PM
@sbi laters
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz Bad idea you ever came out of your corner. Bad things happen.
 
@Xeo I am p sure he did that on purpose
 
sbi
@Xeo Who cares?
 
@AlexM. Nice. So the trick is in the preparation and in a way they force you to pick the card they want.
 
@sbi vOv they are based on birthdays which don't change... normally...
 
Xeo
2:09 PM
@sbi You know which room this is, right? The room of pedants.
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz Actually, I didn't. I just don't care enough.
Anyway, bye.
 
Well then, that was quite the storm...
 
typename, using, and function pointers as members are strange in C++.
 
2:32 PM
so
what could be the reason for my old HTC magic being slow as fuck
 
YAY ROBOT++
3
 
@BartekBanachewicz vOv Java
 
@BartekBanachewicz "old htc"
to be honest I have the same problem
cyanogenmod will help a bit
 
will it?
 
Only one way to find out
 
2:37 PM
I mean welp this phone has a 528Mhz CPU
 
get android 4.4.bleeding edge, switch to the experimental ART - faster phone, minus some stability
 
it's not fast by today standards
but seriously, I had a 100Mhz PC that was way faster
@Nisk can't install android 4 on it
 
@BartekBanachewicz you probably weren't running badly designed software that care not for limited resources
 
hmm how do I remove all those vendor apps
can't do that via standard iface
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's why I went with cyanogenmod
don't think you can without rooting your phone
seems that cm support for your phone....is not great
 
2:40 PM
it is rooted
it's running custom 2.3.3 ROM
 
and you still have vendor apps installed after a custom rom? 0_o
when I did it. it whiped everything clean
 
yeah, going to clear it up now
got a list of apps with adb
well let's see
package:/system/app/com.htc.FriendStreamWidget.apk=com.htc.FriendStreamWidget
die.
 
install CM
 
I don't think CM is appropriate
well, no idea really
 
no install CM for w/e version you're running
not 4.0 CM
 
2:45 PM
I mean CM is features
 
2.3 CM was a lot faster than Sony's 2.1 on my old Xperia X8
 
what I want is extremely lightweight dysfunctional distro
akin to fast.c++
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz CM is the least bloated ROM I tried, I think
then again it is full-featured
 
2:57 PM
found this...but, I wonder whether you want to trust their technical expertise: codenamelungo.co
 
> Apache is functioning normally
 

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