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10:01 AM
Wow I never knew HP had a copyright in GCC
 
@Cinch After Googling for it you have to then look at the returned results
 
Ah, so functional makes use of tuples to pass along argument lists?
 
Morning
 
@Xeo So, did you actually go anywhere?
 
10:20 AM
@LucDanton Perhaps I don't tweak my env often enough (e.g. I'm happy to stick with cs :))
 
@sehe c is my h.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not yet. Maybe next Friday
again, the local public transport situation is not the best :P
 
@LucDanton somehow that sounds a little creepy
@ParkYoung-Bae missed it :(
 
It was stupid anyway
 
It's amazing how slow my code is at -O0 :v
 
user1804599
10:27 AM
Jinja2 is so horrible.
 
user1804599
Why does it lack lambdas?
 
user1804599
Where are the set literals?
 
template<T... num> struct index_tuple { typedef Build_index_tuple<num - 1>::type::next type; };

Is this recursive?
 
user1804599
Why can't I define a Python function in a template?
 
Why can't it make my dinner?
 
10:28 AM
And what does template <T... num> do?
 
user1804599
I can't even import a fucking Python module from a template.
 
Is it just me or does the standard library seem to be ironically made out of non-standard code?
 
What does that even mean?
 
> I considered writing a paper about pdqsort, however this would be a major timesink. Besides, I think it's possible to fully understand pdqsort by reading the IMO well-commented code and readme.
I think you're suffering the ubiquitous "invented-here" bias. It's not about understanding the implementation. It's about unerstanding the trade offs that lead to that implementation.
@orlp Considering how much time you spent divulging information about pdqsort in various forums, I don't think the "major time sink" argument holds water either. I think it would save you time from repeating, enable peer review much better and will (hence) accelerate adoption.
 
@sehe I have no problem writing a paper about design decisions, and I did that in a mini-format in the readme.
 
10:33 AM
(hahaha. editing in the missing negation. in the wrong place o.O)
 
I just don't think I would be able to release a paper without doing formal analysis
 
@orlp With evidence/figures, citations and the lot?
@orlp Sure you can. Perhaps not in a scientific journal, or something
 
and formal analysis would take me a very very long time as I'd need to learn a lot of new math
 
So, there's your next reason to "visibly" publish the emperical/engineering results. Getting people interested. I suppose it should take less than half a year for a maths major to volunteer
 
@sehe I'd need a CS postgraduate most likely
 
10:38 AM
swimming in an ocean of youtube comments
 
@sehe Ironically, I've been accused of the "not invented here syndrome" quite a few times :P
since I have the tendency to reinvent the wheel
(and occasionally improving the wheel while doing so, or at least fully understand the wheel)
 
@orlp That last part is very useful IMO :)
 
@orlp These people have a place in society and history! Especially if they take it seriously (i.e. not the people copying something in Lego, but the people handcrafting a car, or a bike and innovating things as they go)
Darn. The latest crop of questions is swamped with "how do I configure boost with Eclipse/Xcode/Cmake" etc. type questions.
 
@sehe I agree, but sometimes I struggle with it.
People always yell at me for wasting time, tell me I'm nothing special, and I would never see something that was overlooked by the smart people that create the basic wheels we all use. Yet when I look at something as overdone as sorting, I spot performance bugs in every major implementation out there.
 
10:56 AM
> I've decided no TV ever, no movies, no pop music, no magazines, all books given to her will be read and approved by me first and will be classics or informative
fuck those parents
3
also hi
 
Then they will bring a guy and tell her "Here is your new husband"
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hi
 
@sehe Sometimes I struggle to keep my ego under control, which legitimately scares me.
 
@khajvah "you mean you're not majoring in medicine"
@orlp you're a dick hth
 
@BartekBanachewicz :"D
@sehe I do not want to fall into that narcissistic hole.
 
10:59 AM
@orlp Is that a... Nose?
 
Microsoft Stinking Visual Crap
Is giving me "use of deleted function" in places unrelated to their actual so-called usage
 
@BartekBanachewicz (but are you serious? I'm terrible at sarcasm in written text)
 
Good night.
 
@Cinch Not all of us are in USA but good night
 
It's morning in the USA.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Depends which part!
 
@orlp I'm not typically serious when insulting people, and totally serious otherwise
 
allright
just making sure
 
(Hint: it was also sarcasm)
 
Salt Lake City begins working at 5:00 GMT+1
Seattle += 2
NYC -= 3 IIRC
 
11:03 AM
@ParkYoung-Bae you're evil
:D
 
It's morning for east which means west is still 5 or something.
 
mm fresh fruits
 
Tasty.
 
uguis are forgetting Hawaii
 
also lmao, tickets to london are getting cheaper
 
11:05 AM
he is from Hawaii
 
i have a search open in a tab
and it already went like €20 down during last few weeks
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why is that funny?
 
Oh my god a whole 20 euros down
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've set a date for the unconf and you'd think that buying earlier makes it cheaper
 
Is there a convenient utility for escaping a C++ string for debug/display purposes?
 
11:06 AM
@ParkYoung-Bae that's 10 nice beers here
 
Can't fault that logic
 
@LucDanton You mean to make it stick to some subset like printable ASCII + \x escapes or something?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. At first I thought at least quotes, since I want to display them quoted; and of course slashes since I want to escape with that. But I’m also wondering about \n and \0 right now.
 
I wrote my own but it escapes everything.
I.e. it displays "AB" as "U+0041 U+0042"
 
@ParkYoung-Bae wait, doesn't korea have a major drinking problem?
 
11:10 AM
@Rapptz ^see!
 
No, it's part of the culture.
 
I’ll go with quotes, slashes, newlines and zeroes.
 
@Rapptz Isn't that on the 31st of April?
 
> Q: Hi, I am a diabetic and I just learned that my insulin is made by genetically modified bacteria and yeast. I don't want to inject GMOs directly into my bloodstream. Can you suggest an alternative? Thanks.
A: Death is the only alternative I've heard of.
aahaha
supposedly found on "modern alternative mom"
 
What UD literal suffix for string views? The proposal used to have "foo"sv but it was cut.
 
11:16 AM
@BartekBanachewicz A: Embrace Islam.
Also I hope that Q is not serious
 
@BartekBanachewicz Link?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae It's just the usual horrible naturalistic arguments. It's not far-fetched enough to cast its seriousness in doubt.
 
@sehe basically I struggle a lot with en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect , which makes me afraid to be confident
and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome , I'm very afraid of being not confident enough, or too confident
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Teach the controversy
 
@wilx sadly I don't have one. Google'able?
 
11:22 AM
Update 5 CTP is horribly broken
 
@Rapptz Hey we might want to bikeshed string view literals, escapes and pretty printing some time later.
 
@BartekBanachewicz your language sounds complicated af
 
@AlexM. what do you mean?
 
Yeah it needs some polish IMO
 
11:28 AM
@AlexM. well it imo is very complicated, but say @AndyProwl disagrees IIRC
 
> it imo is
because order right word fuck
 
i think he said something like "I don't think it would be much harder than Czech"
 
@ParkYoung-Bae it's actually correct
wait
 
swap(it,imo)
 
it, in my opinion, is
nah this sounds too weird
 
11:29 AM
in polish it works :S
 
it might be correct grammatically but
I wouldn't use it
 
No it's not grammatically correct
"It in my opinion is"
 
why not
 
@BartekBanachewicz YDRC :D I do agree it is very complicated
 
11:31 AM
Because that's not how the language works
 
(or maybe I was drunk and claimed otherwise)
oh and hi, everyone
 
@ParkYoung-Bae awesome argument
 
Thanks
 
a tier above "because I say so"
 
I don't know the formalism
I'm sure you could find it
 
11:32 AM
then your argument is as good as my english-by-the-ear guess
 
And your english is a bad as bartek's
 
shit I think I fucked up a button
 
I think "it IMO is" is correct, but a Pole, a Romanian, and an Italian arguing about correct English sounds like the intro of some joke
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let's ask @Lightness
 
@AndyProwl And a French Korean!
 
11:32 AM
I dunno why it wouldn't be correct lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol right
 
"imo" is the thing that ties to the predicate
it is the subject
 
What?! Are you drunk
 
I don't think LRiO knows the formal stuff either
perhaps EL&U?
 
it sounds ok to me but yesterday I was drunk and it hasn't gone away completely
 
11:34 AM
It's not OK in this context
You can't split up "it is" like that
Anyway IDGAF about your English
 
@AlexM. I think he does
 
Peasants
 
@ParkYoung-Bae AFAIK "it really is" possible to split it up like that
 
That's completely different omg
1 min ago, by Park Young-Bae
Anyway IDGAF about your English
 
That hurts
 
11:36 AM
especially coming from someone who actually was first to give a fuck
lol
> If automatic login fails, please visit the GlobalAuth test & help page to check for common problems.
or you know you could provide a normal login
if automatic fuckin fails
 
Working Draft, Standard for Communication Language English, n3103
 
Time go, to, home
you gramer butchers
 
 
See, hopefully soon, you
 
suck, you, all
 
11:39 AM
@AndyProwl "really" is an adverb.
 
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A: Should an adverb go before or after a verb?

NoldorinPositioning adverbs is a complex affair. There are some rules of thumb, but for many adverbs, it is quite acceptable to place it before or after the verb. In this case, I think either way is acceptable, though I would probably find the former more natural, i.e. The word rarely turns up outsid...

Also the question of whether the commas are required to form an adverbial clause, or if it is a matter of style.
 
I use adblock to get rid of adverbs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah I realize that, but it feels similar to me. As in, "it no doubt was a great evening" or "She, I swear, looked exactly like my sister", and so on. Granted, the commas were missing in Bartek's text, but that's how I read it
 
11:46 AM
meh questions like that are offtopic on EL&U main so I asked in chat :\
 
user1804599
It is unclear what problem you have. Stack Overflow is not a tutoring site. Be more specific. — райтфолд 31 secs ago
 
Is there a better list for Alice & Bob-style placeholder names than Wikipedia? Seems a bit short.
 
@AndyProwl "I swear" is a parenthetical and is properly delimited by commas.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But why is "in my opinion" not acceptable as a parenthetical remark too? If it's only because of the commas, then I would have rather pointed out the lack of commas than the wrong word order
(but then again complaining about lacking commas in other people's messages sounds a bit too pedantic to me, even for Lounge standards)
 
the Lounge is still attempting to come up with non-formal ways to formally prove a sentence is correct
never change
 
11:59 AM
@AndyProwl Italian?
 
@Jefffrey I felt involved
brb
 
Wait, you are italian?
 
wait, I thought he was polish?
 
Yeah, me too.
 
user1804599
I need more food.
 
12:02 PM
Dec 8 '14 at 12:16, by Andy Prowl
lol no, I'm Italian
Dec 28 '13 at 14:28, by Andy Prowl
@bamboon Nope, I'm Italian
 
he can't be italian
he doesn't sound italian
 
Dec 24 '14 at 21:27, by Andy Prowl
because I'm Italian and my parents live there
 
told you he has something to hide
 
Fuck me
 
-
 
12:03 PM
Now I'm not even the only italian in the lounge.
The fuck is special about me? Nothing. NOTHING.
 
I saw some pics from the amalfi coast
really pretty place
 
special = weird
 
Oh and BTW
 
you can't be special without being weird
 
12:04 PM
^ 10/10 would visit
 
if we're going to Poland for 3rd unconf we should go to Poznań
 
@orlp that's ok. Just give peer review a fair chance. That way, it doesn't look like it's you actively advertising pdqsort on every forum too. Could help
 
Oh I know how to piss him off though
 
@ParkYoung-Bae lol
 
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@AlexM. Terrible.
 
user1804599
12:06 PM
The pink is too bright.
 
@chmod711telkitty I'd actually wager that not being weird is pretty speical (and vice versa)
 
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@BartekBanachewicz Oh and VAT
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz What is Poznań?
 
whoosh predicted
@райтфолд Gdansk, IIRC (get back to high school)
 
user1804599
When is the unconference?
 
12:07 PM
@sehe so you are special ... like 7 billion other people?
 
user1804599
In September I can't go because MGS5 will be released in September.
 
Xeo
@райтфолд 13.06.
 
I thought you were not going anyway.
 
user1804599
Oh. Nice!
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me too.
 
12:08 PM
@chmod711telkitty no, I'm just weird
 
@райтфолд A city
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hi
 
imagine rightfold getting horny at an unconference
 
I prefer not
 
I need a way to in-place shuffle a vector x of length n like this: { x[0], x[2], ..., x[n-2], x[n-1], x[n-3], ..., x[1] }.
 
12:09 PM
in English Language & Usage on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 32 secs ago, by Robusto
@AlexM. It's grammatical, but a trifle stilted and awkward.
 
@AlexM. That'd be "I told you so"
 
@ParkYoung-Bae suck it fly
 
@sehe you fit right in ... because this whole lounge is a bit weird ...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes et tu
 
12:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don’t see the pattern.
 
@LucDanton "shuffle"
Jesus Luc
Focus
 
@LucDanton There are two sequences. First half is all the even indices ascending, second half is the odds descending. The split is between x[n-2] and x[n-1].
 
Oh, I missed the second ellipsis.
 
(Oh, yeah, and n is known even)
 
Xeo
12:14 PM
in-place, huh.
 
@райтфолд You shouldn't do that.
Grenades are dangerous.
 
What does the 7 to the left of favorites mean?
 
user1804599
What was the acronym for the kind of initialization in struct T { int x = 0; };? I know it's something similar to "NSDAP" but I keep forgetting it.
 
@FredOverflow 7 changed since you last viewed them
 
user1804599
12:20 PM
@FredOverflow No idea, I also always wondered.
 
@FredOverflow updated posts
 
user1804599
@Flexo How can you tell which ones?
 
Xeo
@райтфолд NSDMI
@райтфолд sort by activity
and then the top N
 
user1804599
@Xeo Thanks. I will never forget.
 
Xeo
I think
 
12:21 PM
@райтфолд they're also the yellow ones, as well as sorting by activity
 
user1804599
Fucking awesome mate.
 
@райтфолд I just call it "non-static initialization whatever"
 
> NSDAP
lol
 
@Jefffrey lol
@AlexM. I wouldn't be that offended by ketchup on pizza
 
How can I NOT write a shit code?
 
12:34 PM
@khajvah by not writing code :P
 
@khajvah by not writing code :P
 
@khajvah by not writing code :P
 
@khajvah by not writing code :P
 
hi every body
 
12:36 PM
hi every soul
 
my body says hi
 
hi every </body>
 
ok pthread on aix if i detach and then cancel not terminated
 
@khajvah by not writing code :P
 
@khajvah Also, by not writing code :P
 
12:37 PM
@mahmoudgamal have done
 
@sehe has worked on everything :)
 
Is ''' a valid char literal, or do I have to use '\''?
 
@sehe
ok pthread on aix if i detach and then cancel and exit not terminated
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I’m seeing a pattern if you treat the array as two halves. If you write to the start of the first half (saving the old value, let’s call it the hot potato), you need to put that at the end of the second half. Then you want to put the potato at the start of the second half. Then you go back to the left end of the first half.
 
@FredOverflow The latter iirc.
Or "'"[0]
j/k
 
12:41 PM
2 days ago, by sehe
@khajvah Now I have to ask. Do we know you from somewhere?
@mahmoudgamal I'm not an expert in decipher cryptographic messages
@mahmoudgamal pthread just works on AIX though
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Where is unconference?
 
> the hot potato
because good naming is hard
 
@sehe Did you really go back 2 days to find that?
 
Hot potato is a party game that involves players gathering in a circle and tossing a small object such as a beanbag or tennis ball to each other while music plays. The player who is holding the "hot potato" when the music stops is out. The player, if caught is named with a D. The game goes through until one person spells out donkey.Play continues until only one player is left. The game is designed to be fast-paced and high-pressure and is often played by children. The game can also be played without music where there is a designated leader who shouts out "hot!" and the player holding the object...
 
@khajvah Well. It would be stupid to go back three days, since I said it 2 days ago.
@khajvah And thanks for confirming that you don't know the first thing about me
 
12:43 PM
iam sorry @sehe but i mean
pthread_detach(m_tid);
pthread_setcancelstate(PTHREAD_CANCEL_ENABLE,NULL);
int h = pthread_cancel(m_tid);

pthread_attr_destroy(&attr); not terminate pthread
 
@mahmoudgamal never used pthread_cancel on any platform
 
lol
 
@mahmoudgamal because fuck os-specific threading libraries that's why
inb4 but you can use pthread on windows
 
@sehe Fair enough. About the question, I have been here last few(2-3) days and you were helping a lot of people, so ...
 
12:45 PM
hhhhhhhhhhhhhh
OK
 
@khajvah Ok. I was just wondering. You seem to be "up to speed" so quickly (yeah I remember your answer too).
@mahmoudgamal have you tried the sample from the manpage? (there is none at pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/…, but has one man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/pthread_cancel.3.html)
'The question might not actually use C++ but my answer dam well will!' — Pete Fordham May 6 '13 at 23:37
lol
 
@AlexM. TIL you're stilted and awkward
Good to know
 
@ParkYoung-Bae and weird
But that's nothing special
 
That I knew already
 
@ParkYoung-Bae good comeback m8
a tier above "haha I was just trolling you!"
 
12:54 PM
@sehe I am not really "up to speed", just spending some free time here... Better than facebook. :)
 
Why am I even arguing with a third-world resident
 
why am I even arguing with cicada
 
@khajvah that's a terribly low bar to beat. You could go to the javascript room :)
 
can i ask for general advice here
 
@techno You can. How's your life insurance?
 
12:56 PM
lol
the thing is i had undertaken a project for a client
 
@sehe Don't worry there still is a big space between Lounge and facebook :)
 
@techno (there's the rules on the star board - tl;dr: questions are for Stack Overflow, in general)
 
@sehe so can i ask or not... its related to project development and delivery
 
rule number one: don't get personally attached to the customer's fatee;
rule number two: no romantic relations with your customer
 
lol
 
12:57 PM
@techno just ask. you might not receive a reply
 
the customer is my family
so for a project that costs around 80k-1k
 
get out of there asap
projects for family are bad
 
we decide to do it for 50k
 
work done cheap or for free
because family
 
80k-1k?
 
12:58 PM
the customer has a partner
 
isn't the lower limit supposed to come first?
 
@AndyProwl not in $
just a figure
 
@AndyProwl I think it's the margin for error
 
@sehe like, +-1k?
 
the customer tells me that his parter had asked to negotiate
 
12:59 PM
@techno oh god, was I being prophetic?
 
and has found someone who can do it for 45k
 
@AndyProwl it's a typo for $100 I think
 
@techno go for it!
 
@AlexM. but then why did they settle for 50k?
 
*family stuff
well you know considering the family step
 
12:59 PM
@AndyProwl because family
 

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