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12:03 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sweet!
 
how the shit is this "homophobia"? ffs
if I had booked a night out for my company Christmas party for all sorts of people and it turned out to be a gay bar and I simply asked whether that was true, I wouldn't expect this backlash
"shocked this still happens" frankly
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit why? If there are places reserved for disabled people but nobody has the responsibility of making sure that they are available to disabled people, what's the point of having them in the first place?
 
@AndyProwl They are a hint, like inline.
Why do we need bus operators to police where people stand? Let people sort it out themselves. And as far as I can tell, a woman with a pram needs a wide space just as much as a guy in a wheelchair. She was already there, he wasn't. Why does he get magical priority enforced by the bus driver?
People need to start taking responsibility for themselves instead of looking to any minor authority figure to sort it all out for them. Not only is that the quickest way to a really lazy police state but it's absurd.
Sorry I can't articulate very well today. Ill.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The woman shouldn't have been there in the first place. It's reserved for disabled people, not for "disabled people or women with a buggy".
 
@AndyProwl It's not "reserved" for anyone.
And where is she supposed to go then? You're discriminating against mothers now.
Would you have asked the bus driver to kick her and her sleeping baby off the bus?
 
12:14 PM
I assumed the policy was the same as the one for parking lots with disabled people
 
"parking lots" -.-
 
I understand mothers with babies are limited in a way, but not as much as people on a wheelchair are
 
Note that, typically, car parks with disabled spaces also have mother+baby (sexist!) spaces right alongside them, or merge the two concepts.
e.g. all the big supermarket chains
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not sure what's the right word, sorry
 
I thought you were a Brit man!
 
12:16 PM
lol no, I'm Italian
@LightnessRacesinOrbit If there are no places except the ones for disabled people and a non-disabled person tries to get on the bus then yes, I'd expect the driver to say "sorry, it's full".
Rather than saying the same to the disabled guy to whom the place was dedicated
 
@AndyProwl That's absurd.
 
Why?
 
I've never seen a single wheelchair on the bus I use. Ever. You expect the driver to prohibit anyone from using the six seats in the wide disabled bays on every single journey? Including on a packed Friday night?
If someone does come on who needs it, anyone sitting in that area who doesn't themselves need it would be expected to stand up and move aside, out of politeness. I would hope that to occur.
I'm not sure what I'd want to happen if they refused (honestly).
But in this case I think it's clear that a woman with a baby in a pram has every bit as much "right" to be in that space as the wheelchair user. The original judgement both prioritised his needs over hers for no clear reason whatsoever, but also placed the blame squarely on the driver of a vehicle. Not, y'know, the actual people who had the disagreement.
@AndyProwl not a very Italian name?
You better believe if the driver had kicked the woman with the sleeping baby off the bus for a wheelchair user who wasn't already on board, there would have been an equivalent fuss.
For one, the wheelchair user was presumably at the start of his journey and having to wait at that endpoint for ten minutes for the next bus is quite different from kicking someone off in freezing temperatures potentially miles between either where they came from or where they were going
In other words, if the bus is full then the bus is full. I don't care who you are.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Before we moved to a wider area, there were several car places in our company's parking lot for disabled people. They were free most of the time, but you could not park there unless you had some sort of badge. The same applies to public car places AFAIK. I don't see why things should be different on a bus
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's a fake name
 
@AndyProwl It's a scale thing. In the car parks I see, there are like 10 disabled bays for every, what, 500 non-disabled spaces?
there are not 500 seats on a bus
@AndyProwl You shouldn't use a fake name that's very dishonest of you
 
12:26 PM
@AndyProwl One significant difference is that those spaces in a parking lot would be full all the time. On a bus they're not.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
@AndyProwl it's discrimination against non-disabled people
 
@AndyProwl The other difference is that you cannot ask someone to move aside for you on arriving at a used disabled parking bay. Because they are not there. They are in the shop.
On a bus you simply say "excuse me" and the job is done
 
That's true
I don't know, my impression is that the life of someone who's on a wheelchair is so complicated that they deserve the guarantee of having dedicated places on public transports.
I mean, guaranteed
@Abyx Non-disabled people in general have many more possibilities. For instance, they can stand or walk.
 
both can crawl. hth
 
12:30 PM
I don't see how that's relevant
 
user1804599
Next time I am going to ask a question about SSL certificates on Stack Exchange I'm going to intentionally misspell it as "SSL cervelat."
 
@AndyProwl Having possibilities doesn't make you obliged to the people who don't have such possibilities.
 
@AndyProwl And the life of a mother of a newborn is really simple and easy, is it? To the extent that they should be kicked off a bus in the middle of a freezing winter? Just because someone else wants their spot?
 
@AndyProwl Not if it's full, though. Or if they have a baby on a pram.
 
@AndyProwl So what?
It really comes down to this: it's not my fault they can't stand.
 
12:33 PM
^ that
 
I'll do what I can to avoid them being disadvantaged where it can be reasonably avoided. But c'mon. Let's not get carried away.
 
sometimes even @LightnessRacesinOrbit says something smart
 
yes even me
hang on... if Abyx agrees with me then I must be a monster or a child molester or something :(
4
 
But then those places should not be dedicated to disabled people
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you're not, but you're getting closer
 
12:35 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes She could have folded the pram and held the baby
she didn't want to wake the baby up
 
@AndyProwl it depends on how you define "dedicated"
 
@Abyx Indeed, that's the point.
 
Why the heck should she fold her pram and hold her baby?
The wheelchair user could have folded his wheelchair and rolled on board
 
Because she can do it, while the guy on a wheelchair cannot fold the wheelchair and stand
 
That's preposterous.
Both of them, to be honest.
 
12:37 PM
The point is, the fact that he sued over it shows that he thinks he's entitled to force the mother to wake her baby, put a pram away, and hold her child for the remainder of the journey just because he's more important. And that is preposterous.
 
Not because he's more important, but because he's disabled and that's a place for disabled people.
 
I personally don't like the idea of being allowed to take a pram in and using all that space, but if you allow that, requiring them to fold it when someone shows up is ridiculous.
 
But yes, it all boils down to what "for disabled people" means
 
There are plenty of ways in which each of us is disadvantaged when compared to someone else. But we shouldn't go around suing people because of it.
 
@AndyProwl basically there is the law and your vision of how stuff should be, which worth nothing.
 
12:38 PM
Suck it the fuck up you get plenty of special consideration
frankly
 
It takes forever, and probably requires help because you can't fold it with the baby in it.
 
@AndyProwl Traditionally wheelchair spaces are actually spaces for wheelchairs, prams and all similar things. In the UK at least
 
 
@Abyx I'm not discussing the law. I know there is one. The discussion is about what is "common sense".
45 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
COMMON SENSE PREVAILS for a bloody change
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes don't fold the baby with the bathtub buggy etc
 
12:39 PM
I'm starting to think WW IV might be between the sexes. Well. No. That wouldn't work
 
@AndyProwl discussing common sense is pointless.
 
@Abyx Then shut up.
 
@AndyProwl That the law is what it actually is and that the law was upheld in the face of a discrimination suit is the common sense prevailing part.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I see.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes just plonk me.
 
12:40 PM
@AndyProwl that is so that you don't get extra rights to "compensate" somehow for being medically disadvantaged, but the practical benefit is there for people who practically need it. mothers with prams are in that set of people.
 
It's not that I don't want to read what you write. I don't want you to waste your time in pointless discussions.
 
ah that old "no you plonk me" argument
 
ok guys, interesting discussion, thanks for sharing your thoughts - unfortunately I have to get back to work
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thank you for your kind advice, but I decide what I do with my time on my own.
 
that you are so skilled in
 
12:41 PM
lol
@AndyProwl same I guess -.-
 
user1804599
@sehe good luck finding solutions to problems that don't exist.
 
@rightføld you missed an s
 
user1804599
Adding the S there would render the grammar invalid.
 
youdontsay.jpg
 
user1804599
I do.
 
12:46 PM
next argument
EL&U is hilarious sometimes
(of course it should properly be called AL&U in the main!)
-3
Q: how do i use the variable i read from or wrote into a file into another function? C++

Shams R Adnani have read a file using the file I/O stream of c++. now how do i use the read variables in other functions for(subtracting,addition,multiplication)...thanks in advance

 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol, it's like they can't tell an arrogant use of it from a normal one.
 
@Xeo try the furby technique: sheep sounds
@R.MartinhoFernandes you're welcome!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes i.e. can't speak english
 
I was thinking beyond that, actually.
 
12:56 PM
^ Unrelated: pure amazeness.
 
is that with the sunstorms/sunflares? I thought those were coming next wednesday
 
It's an aurora.
 
where's that photo of a guy taking a photo of himself taking a photo and he just carries on for like five layers
can't find it but promised someone a link
 
copper knife to cut up a blue cake in a green tin box?
I really prefer pink cakes
also left Xmas holiday booking too late, now everything's booked out ...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes aren't they linked to sunflares? (as in they amplify them?)
@chmod711telkitty you take to the wrong destinations
 
1:03 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit this one?
 
@StackedCrooked ahhh thanks no but exact same concept
comments got me there, yay
 
@sehe Solar wind is always present. Earth's magnetic field constantly captures particles from it in the Van Allen radiation belts. Those particles can then precipitate into the atmosphere. No special solar activity is needed for that, just luck.
 
speaking of hunger
 
1:18 PM
let the games begin!
 
1:36 PM
plenty of hungry people in developed countries nowadays - diet industry is going well
 
R# 9 is out
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Good
 
1:52 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have em exported. Import is p trivial, but I haven't yet figured out how to import comments (would you mind if I just added them to description?)
 
I guess it's ok.
 
There is 'comments' field in task update endpoint but it's a string so I'm confused
Or maybe one call just adds one comment
Yessss
I win
 
2:11 PM
A thought just occurred to me: would there be any advantage (ignoring the added complexity of the implementation) to having cloud sync stuff like dropjbox work as a virtual filesystem, i.e. be a big file, accessible through some lightweight virtual interface to the user, but be hard data that would in principle be more easily syncable to a server?
 
Why do you think it'd be easier to sync
You'd have to lock the entire thing, so no incremental sync
Also much harder conflict resolution
 
The filesystem interface would take care of the lock problem. Yeah, the big file would locked by the sync app and filesystem driver.
Just random thoughts popping into my head.
 
Plus issues with portability
 
// Once upon a time, there was an enum here.
// The enum was used as the first argument to a single handler_type template.
// Then the ICEman cometh from Visual C++.
// We broke the ICE and the template shattered in three pieces, no more, no less.
// Three shall be the number of thy templates, and the number of thy templates shall be three.
// Four shalt thou not make, neither make thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to make three.
// Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards Visual C++,
11
Committed.
Hmmm, there's a mistake in it. Fuck it.
 
Can't change it now
 
2:21 PM
He's committed now
 
Use the force
 
What's ICE?
 
I've just realized how scoped_allocator fits in this picture. I've updated my answer accordingly. Sorry for answering out of limited understanding earlier. — sehe 8 secs ago
Better late than never...? I guess
 
@StackedCrooked internal compiler error
 
@StackedCrooked most popular question
 
2:42 PM
@StackedCrooked Seriously? :)
 
@StackedCrooked Given Visual C++ as the context, that should be obvious.
 
Imagine taking that tiny newborn home from the hospital, so full of hope. 14 years later, she has tweeted at Harry Styles 10,000 times.
 
JIFFF
 
shut up Jifffrey
 
<3
 
2:50 PM
@Scarlet: three episodes in dammit where are you
> It may be significant, though, that most users use fixed-size typedefs, and uint16_t could be an alias to unsigned char. A better specification would require specific numeric ranges for specific classes.
what
is he talking about CHAR_BIT==16 or something else do you reckon
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, he is.
 
pfft
doesn't seem like a particularly good example
 
2:56 PM
Indeed.
 
Hi INTERNET :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, well.
 
@QueueOverflow HI
 
I have the following problem: we need to use in a class a some function, that determined by user. Is a good practice to use a pointer to function in this class or better to use a functor?
 
@EtiennedeMartel WHAT DA FUCK
@jalf Is the harmless choice the one about the broken link?
 
3:02 PM
woah reddit.com stopped working here :(
 
why do they need $50k to revamp a website
i'm totally in the wrong job
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes works for me
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's really really bad!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Looks good? dev.loungecpp.net/T19 I'm not sure if spending time on comment markup conversion is worthwhile
 
> Your connection is not private
u spyin
i can haz usernam
 
3:07 PM
There's no per-project custom fields in Phab, I might do something for versions/platforms later
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There's so much TVTrope link dropping in there. What a bunch of tryhards.
 
user1804599
What are those devices called that show whether the amount of oxygen in the air is good called?
 
Humans
 
@CatPlusPlus Guess so.
 
Parable of the Polygons is "as scary as it is cute and addictive," to the point the server's overloading. Refresh! http://ncase.me/polygons/
 
@rightføld canaries!
 
@jalf Can't DNS.
 
user1804599
We had one in highschool.
 
user1804599
If there wasn't enough oxygen it would turn orange.
 
Oh no, not that.
Or maybe.
Managed to open it from my server :/ WTF
 
3:12 PM
Their NSes are down
Some of them
Anyway import should be done
 
3:28 PM
omg you can upgrade from old R# personal license to the new combined one for all tools
 
@CatPlusPlus OMG MY INBOX JUST EXPLODED
 
Oh yeah you might want to check email notification settings :v
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Were you hurt by any of the shrapnel?
 
lol 109 emails today
 
4:00 PM
I'm not sure why executing .py files from the command line isn't working.
 
@Rapptz "isn't working"?
 
look above
 
@Rapptz How do we know that’s not what the program is supposed to be doing :v
 
4:03 PM
You shall have to take my word for it.
:p
 
37
Q: Windows is not passing command line arguments to Python programs executed from the shell

mckossI'm having trouble getting command line arguments passed to Python programs if I try to execute them directly as executable commands from a Windows command shell. For example, if I have this program (test.py): import sys print "Args: %r" % sys.argv[1:] And execute: >test foo Args: [] as co...

 
lol, Windows.
 
I dunno. Maybe here.
 
lol good find
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol Windows indeed
 
and is it what the program is supposed to be doing?
 
4:05 PM
No
python file args is supposed to be equivalent to file args
Wow what a frustrating bug :( I just reinstalled Python and it's still broken! The bug was reported at the Python issue tracker two years ago bugs.python.org/issue7936 but there's no fix - few of the devs use Windows. — Colonel Panic Sep 18 '12 at 19:38
lol
 
Where are you with that Debian install anyway? :Þ
 
After I'm done with Windows config :p
 
user1804599
My printer is having a jam session.
 
Hello everyone.Is it possible for someone to help me solve this problem:
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
4:14 PM
If Lounge<C++> is your problem then you can go here to solve it.
 
Lol!No it's not my problem I mixed the links
 
My problem is still not fixed.
 
RIP
 
It's for your own good.
 
4:16 PM
Why??
 
user1804599
Because you didn't read the rules.
 
Is it against the rules?
 
Because people will downvote it.
 
I read the rules many times.What did I do wrong?
I mean there are many people who ask about Eclipse.
 
user1804599
 
4:18 PM
@underdog012 on stackoverflow.com maybe, but I would highly suggest against asking here
 
Oh I see. So the problem is that I asked here.
 
The problem is that many people in this chat room are rampant dicks and they enjoy nothing more than pouncing on new meat. I'm sorry for your experience here today.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I didn't know that!
 
@underdog012 What's the issue.
 
4:22 PM
R. Martinho Fernades deleted it from here for my own good and I thank him!Now I know
 
@underdog012 Wait, you dumped your SO question, here? Why?
 
According to Lightness Races in Orbit : The problem is that many people in this chat room are rampant dicks and they enjoy nothing more than pouncing on new meat. I'm sorry for your experience here today.
BTW I already received two negative votes
:)
 
@underdog012 That's not an answer to my question.
 
@Jefffrey Yes I am sorry I misread it
 
@Jefffrey Leave him alone. Quit bullying people.
 
4:28 PM
stfu lighty
 
omg 186€ for all JetBrains .NET stuff
Want
 
I ain't bullying no one.
 
I'm trying to understand the wonders of the human mind.
 
@underdog012 Lightness was probably one of them
 
4:30 PM
@jefffrey I didn't "dumped" it I just wanted help and I thought that it would be a "good" idea to ask for extra help here.I read the rules apparently I got something wrong and here I am.
 
Xeo
@jalf Is there a related tweet to retweet?
 
@underdog012 You couldn't wait like everybody else to get your answer on the main site? Is that what you are saying?
 
@SamDeHaan How do you know that?
 
Or do you maybe think that everybody should post a question and then notify us?
 
@Jefffrey Yes that is correct. I am sorry I just wanted help fast.I didn't want to notify you or interrupt you from anything.I am truly sorry
 
4:33 PM
tbh I don't care one bit about you being sorry
but I guess I appreciate it? somehow? I dunno
 
@Jefffrey I just didn't understand the whole philosophy of this chat room. Again I am sorry.I did a mistake
 
@SamDeHaan It was not. Coward.
@Jefffrey Shut the hell up.
 
Xeo
time for some vla
 
@underdog012 Honestly, just ignore these horrible people. Good luck with your question! :)
 
@underdog012 Oh, and by the way. Lightness here is trolling you. There's no nice person in here. Not a single one.
 
4:36 PM
Sigh.
 
o.O
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You know, maybe you should just accept that the majority of people in here do not like question dumping. You don't have to act all righteous about it every single fucking time.
 
@Jefffrey Rude m8.
 
I'm just being honest.
 
@Xeo I don't like question dumping either. But what the hell is with everyone's attitude?
 
4:37 PM
Anyway thank you @LightnessRacesinOrbit & @R.MartinhoFernandes and and thank you all for your time.
 
Well, not "everyone".
 
He is apologizing way too much.
 
So?
 
@Xeo if we're all nice
 
So, it's annoying me.
 
4:38 PM
Learn from TARS and set your honesty to 90%.
 
I have no idea why.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz I don't like it either, but I also don't like the extremely toxic reactions to it (in both directions). Just a reminder that it's not okay, and moving the question or something should be fine.
 
LRiO won't have any opportunity to contrast us out
 
TARS is life.
 
Guys. You are all overreacting.
Nobody is being "toxic" here.
 
4:39 PM
anyway
I was pushing my theory about people only being nice when they see someone not being nice
 
Yeah, right.
 
@AlexM. It's called "gang behavior" or something.
 
More selection bias.
 
It's not like... "your theory".
 
it's called "holy crap these guys are so shit, time for me to look like a righteous knight in armor!"
 
4:41 PM
Or maybe it's "mass behavior" I don't know
 
"tell me, fair asker, what is your question? ignore these ruffians"
 
lightness just likes to be different
if everyone was nice he would be the jerk
 
@AlexM. Are you reffering to me?
 
no
 
no
 
4:43 PM
oh god
am I being toxic?
will god forgive me
 
nah, you're pretty nonpoisonous
 
<3
 
People act like assholes when they feel there is no consequence for that.
 
tbh the only reason I "joined" the lounge was because people hated or ignored me
3
 
But mostly when they are assholes.
 
4:45 PM
the idea of getting "into the gang" was the most inspiring thing
 
@Xeo Actually we had a vote and the majority voted to stop being total assholes to every newbie who walks in. You might want to think about doing some research and basing your argument on actual facts before you call me "righteous". Thanks.
 
so I guess I want to keep this "tradition" up, or something?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I mean, there's a certain personality type that is going to stay an asshole no matter what.
But most people who are toxic online only are because they know nothing's going to happen to them, and they tend to reform pretty quickly once they get retribution.
 
> Yes 14 32%
No 13 30%
Altele 12 27%
for a moment there I wondered why there's romanian on the page
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So? "Stop being assholes" != "accept question dumping".
 
4:46 PM
@AlexM. And we've barely discussed Vlad since! Sadly.
@Xeo When during any of the above exchange did I require anybody to accept question dumping?
 
The one thing we agreed on was that we'd like if people started by becoming a part of our community before asking stuff.
Dumping a question without at least spending a little bit of time here seems to go against that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Incorrect. The responses to the first question show an overwhelming majority say "either be polite or simply ignore the asker". The rabid condescension on poor @underdog012 was completely uncalled-for and, frankly, embarassing.
But if you and @Xeo can't see that then I can't explain it to you.
 
@AlexM. I didn't vote... not that one vote would make a difference
 
Relevant:
3
Q: She wants to 'poop' -is that okay if used for humans?

Maulik VI know the verb 'poop' but then not sure whether it's used for humans. More often than not, I've come across this verb when we talk about pets. But here, I'm searching for a verb in both ways - formal and informal. And yes, I want to learn how native speakers tell this- Yes, she wants to __...

 
Iiyama seem to make very good monitors for the price
their <insert random model code here> is the cheapest 27" 1080p monitor w/ 1ms response time with great reviews
 
4:50 PM
What a stupid question. Girls don't poop.
 
^^^^ THIS
we are clean animals
 
I don't poop either
 
@AlexM. a) 1080p at that screen size is low rez b) what type of panel? I suspect TN which looks like crap compared to IPS
 
I defecate
 
This python problem is frustrating.
 
4:51 PM
thank you very much
 
:(
 
I'm a civilized animal
 
ssssssssssssssssssssss
 
@Rapptz Use the 3.3+ launcher and just add py in front of the filename
 
Oh. Bartek isn't the only one here that looks at their screens sideways.
 
4:52 PM
@Mgetz I want a good 1080p gaming monitor that's big
the 24" 1080p I have at work is ok-ish, 27" would be great
 
@AlexM. But don't you want to play games looking sideways?
 
how does that work :O
 
You need an IPS panel for that.
 
I got an IPS monitor
@CatPlusPlus Hm? Not really following.
 
I.e. it's not a problem worth solving
Alternatively use setuptools to generate a stub executable for your thing
 
4:55 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm not quoting anyone. Just because something is placed in quotations doesn't mean it's quoting someone. — Robert 1 min ago
^ Fantastic
 
Scare quotes or shudder quotes are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase to imply that it may not signify its apparent meaning or that it is not necessarily the way the quoting person would express its concept. The quotes serve a function similar to verbally prefixing a phrase with "so-called". When referred to as "scare quotes", the quotation marks are suggested to imply skepticism of or disagreement with the quoted terminology. == History == Use of the term scare quotes appears to have arisen at some point during the first half of the 20th century. Occurrence of the term in books appears...
 
@milleniumbug don't ruin it
 
@AlexM. The Dell 4k 27" are at the same price I paid for my 27" so... yeah it's not cheap but it's really good color with awesome resolution
 
I can't play games at 4k
 

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