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11:01 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit runs to listen to goat chill
that song is awesome
 
11:16 AM
> And the average age of financial independence for college graduates these days is 30.
ahahaha, USA FTW
 
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scala> var x: 3.type = 3
scala> x = 42
  <console>:8: error: type mismatch;
   found   : 42.type (with underlying type Int)
   required: 3.type
         x = 42
             ^
 
user1804599
cooooooooool
 
waaaaaaaaat
 
user1804599
You can only say x = 3 :P any other value fails.
 
How useful is that?
 
11:19 AM
a variable that can only be assigned the value 3
l2const
can you catch those errors somehow though?
 
user1804599
@E_net4 this particular example is not useful.
 
A const or final keyword is simpler and more intuitive.
 
you could use that as some sort of contract check
to ensure that a variable in a specific place only takes the values from a specific range
 
user1804599
But you can overload on literals, or specify that your overriding implementation of a method always returns a specific value.
 
(no idea if you can specify a range as a type tho)
 
11:20 AM
Oh, now that would be more useful.
But still, assert.
 
user1804599
assert happens at runtime, not at compile-time.
 
@rightføld wat
 
@rightføld 'Cept in D.
:P
 
in D asserts happen at runtime too
no
asserts run when you decide to run them
they behave just like any other asserts
with the mention of the special mechanism for unit tests
 
user1804599
You could also do stuff like this:
 
user1804599
11:23 AM
case class Residue[N <: Int : SingleInhabitant](n: Long) { lhs =>
   def +(rhs: Residue[N]): Residue[N] =
     Residue((lhs.n + rhs.n) % inhabitant[N])
}
 
Sure. But they can happen in compile-time.
 
@AlexM. yeahhhh
 
unittest { ... } stuff here if compiled with the proper directive executes right before the static initialization of the program
but still at RUNTIME
 
lol dat hat
 
user1804599
And then Residue[42.type] would be a type that does addition modulo 42.
 
11:25 AM
@E_net4 you're probably confusing asserts with static asserts?
no idea what the issue you have is
 
user1804599
@AlexM. In D you can call arbitrary functions at compile-time.
 
Yep.
And if there's an assert in any one of them, they are evaluated.
 
@chmod711telkitty Lamb, duh!
 
isn't that still runtime?
 
user1804599
No.
 
11:26 AM
log4c fprintf giving core
 
I don't see how running code in your program at any point isn't runtime
 
I call "runtime" the part where you run the executable.
 
@FredOverflow lamb belongs to farm not zoo ... unless you are feeding the lion maybe?
 
user1804599
void f() {
    assert(false);
}

void main() {
    g!(f())();
}
 
need help with log4c
 
user1804599
11:26 AM
Calls f at compile-time and runs the assertion at compile-time.
 
@chmod711telkitty Pun, duh?
@sandeep Logging is overrated.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow I love Sentry.
 
I dunno, that looks to me like you're executing parts of your program when you compile it
which is still executing parts of your program
not some sort of amazing new way to compile
 
@FredOverflow pun for what?
 
log4c giving core with fprintf() and
 
11:28 AM
@chmod711telkitty Lamb, duh = Lambda, Pun, duh = Panda
 
with apache
 
user1804599
SSCCE.
 
@AlexM. I would still call that "compile time", since it's being run while the program is in the compilation phase.
 
@sandeep Wow, what a detailed problem description. I bet you'll be drowning in helpful answers soon.
 
quite a lot of people decided to come to work today
I thought they'd all be home with a hangover
also holiday starting in some 5 hours
can't wait
 
11:30 AM
I am calling log4c_category_log(LogCCategory,LOG4C_PRIORITY_INFO,"%s",logData); this function is throwing core
when i debug core file
 
As for me, all I have is this presentation session before Xmas holidays.
 
@E_net4 yes, you can call it that
 
And I've already presented my work, so...
 
I see it as starting a runtime session in the middle of compilation
 
0x00000037e7644339 in vfprintf () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#1 0x00000037e764eee8 in fprintf () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#2 0x00007f4176f08691 in rollingfile_append (this=<value optimized out>, a_event=0x7fffedcec300)
at appender_type_rollingfile.c:166
 
11:31 AM
w/e
 
@sandeep Have you considered asking on stack overflow?
 
@E_net4 I'm stealthily avoiding mails
and bug reports
 
Xeo
I'm doing last-minute bugfixes, whoo
 
haha
 
I thot this ud be best place to ask
2
 
user1804599
11:33 AM
SSCCE or GTFO
6
 
@AlexM. I find it more useful to clearly state "that's done before you even run the program" or "that's done when you run it".
 
> thot
lol
 
"ud"
 
@sandeep Look at how many people are in this room. Then look at the number of users on stack overflow. The chance that somebody in this room has had the same problem as you in the past is vanishingly small.
Do you expect one of us to say "Oh yeah, error 0x00000037e7644339, I know what that means."?
 
I ate a sandwich
 
11:38 AM
1
Q: Proper way to wrap selectively class instances (or "lift" functions like `sortBy`, `minimumBy`, ... automatically)

josejuanLet some type instanced to many classes. What is the proper way to replace, selectively, certain instances's behaviors? One way to express it could be construct the by operator then data Person ... sort personList -- default Ord instance (sort `by` age) personList -- `age` modif...

This guy is onto something. Not sure what, though.
 
@Jefffrey Or maybe he's just on something...
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey abstracting the wrong things
 
He is `on` to something
 
user1804599
`on`
 
Duh I need a mentor
And some food ... Brb !
 
lol, is identifying a bug from 4 lines of crash dump a new Winter Bash game? Can I get a hat for it?
3
 
wtf gcc, I don't want to pass std::max and initializer list!
 
@VáclavZeman Kinda boring near the end, but my patriarchal mind says she is telling the truth
 
@Jefffrey :)
 
Also I know her from another video which was great
this one
 
11:59 AM
@Jefffrey Yeah, I have seen this one as well. I have seen most of her videos. :)
 
you guys seem to have a lot of spare time ...
talking about sexism, being a female and shot most of the videos in the kitchen is just ... well, would be better if location was given more thought ...
 
@chmod711telkitty I am on vacation until 2015-01-04. :)
 
user1646075
so - let me get this straight - in the geometrical sense - she's an advocate of the mens rights movement? and she's generally angry at the world because those men she's criticising are pussies?
 
while present herself in the kitchen most of the times ...
 
@GuruAdrian I do not think so... Listen to what she says.
 
user1646075
12:12 PM
@VáclavZeman i'm trying to nutt it out. maybe trying to draw a conclusion merely at point 3 of 25 is too early.
 
user1646075
i had to divert off and look her up on wiki, and she only has an entry in MRM. Still got some grokking to do here.
 
I wouldn't waste my time on any of those sexism in games kind of arguments ...
more interested in pay gaps issue
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1646075
so far, points 1, 2, 3 seem to be "you poor men making feminist-supportive arguments in relation to games are brainwashed." am I missing a subtext here?
 
user1646075
12:14 PM
back to the vid...
 
user1804599
Sets are so underrated.
 
user1804599
Multimaps are so underfuckingrated.
 
@chmod711telkitty She takes that on in some other video as well.
 
user1804599
Why do people use lists and arrays for everything?
 
@rightføld What else should they use?
 
12:17 PM
Sets and Maps.
 
user1646075
@VáclavZeman got a quick link? that might be more accessible to understand where she's coming from.
 
@rightføld Oh, I should read more than a line back. :D
 
But yeah, one of the most frequest requirements in many use cases is fast iteration. Arrays are good for that.
 
@rightføld because they don't? sometimes they use maps, trees and stacks to suit their needs?
 
user1804599
No, it's not.
 
user1804599
12:19 PM
Fast iteration is important in only a very small number of cases.
 
user1646075
@rightføld because that's all many languages provide?
 
user1804599
Why do they not provide other tools?
 
@GuruAdrian Sorry, I do not remember which one of her videos it was.
 
user1804599
a thread full of bad
 
user1804599
12:24 PM
Yummy, baguette.
 
@GuruAdrian, @chmod711telkitty: Basically, the bottom line was that young people, before they get married and/or have children, get paid the same. Only the choices they make after that, women tending the children and taking jobs that allow them to do that, cause the pay difference between genders.
 
I so believe in that ... with U.S. has not even had 1 female president ...
 
I am missing why a "self" in C++ would be required. Anyone have an idea for a use case? stackoverflow.com/questions/21143275/…
 
most interesting plot twist I've seen so far
after her restaurant closed, she became a hooker
lol
she's kinda hot, I'll admit
 
user1646075
12:26 PM
@VáclavZeman I've found a BBC interview in which she's clearly stating her position and the background to where it came from. Curious stuff
 
@chmod711telkitty That's what they WANT you to believe..
 
a woman pretend to be a man in order to become a president is even more depressing ...
 
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@rightføld lack of imagination I guess. Oh hey - let's make a language for browsers - we need arrays, hashes and objects. Done! I like monty python and I want to make a language. I know, I'll give it arrays and hashes! I'm a japanese programmer, and I want to make a small-talk like language with easy access to passing code blocks. I know, I'll give it arrays and hashes!
 
@GuruAdrian Are you drunk?
 
@rightføld: I dislike how Java programmers tend to only ever use HashMap instead of TreeMap. :)
 
user1646075
12:30 PM
@VáclavZeman that's what I tend to see here mostly in IT at least. Heavy rules apply to 'award wage' industry. I'd also be inclined to say that in some situations, the tendency of young and not-so-young women to be less aggressive might cost them a few thou a year in salary....
 
@VáclavZeman O(1) talks, man. :/
 
@E_net4 O(1) on hash is a myth. :) Also, sorted!
 
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@MartinJames no, but that's not a bad idea. I also rue languages that have dumb intrinsic types. The richer the better I say!
 
@Mgetz lol. Move to Canada! :)
 
12:32 PM
@chmod711telkitty I guess more women would not want that sort of tie anyway. Term limits, monogamy and, if 'divorced', they don't get to keep the house :)
 
@VáclavZeman I would... but Stephan Harper... it's like Bush lite
 
user1646075
@MartinJames i hope you can spot the languages....
 
user1804599
@Mgetz It's okay. I hate your country always.
 
@Mgetz sometimes?
 
@Mgetz Well, lite is better, right? :D
 
12:34 PM
the US is the closest you can get right now to those dystopias in SF stories
it's one of the places I'd never want to live in
 
That's unfair. Just because a country has a legal system that is a laughing-stock around the world doesn't mean it's all bad.
 
@AlexM. Well, I'd rather live in USA than in Russia or China. :)
 
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@Mgetz aargghh - apparently there's another bush interesting in the presidential race. At least he doesn't look so empty-headed
 
...oh, hang on.. then there's the beer:(
 
@VáclavZeman well yeah, there's also NK :P
 
user1646075
12:35 PM
@VáclavZeman and I'd rather sit on cold concrete than on a nail or a lit bbq
 
@GuruAdrian Jeb has always been the smartest of the Bush boys, he's stayed away from the scandals that hit George W. and Neil
that said... I don't want another bush
 
@Mgetz Err..
 
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@Mgetz he looks like he can at least rub two neurones together. He's maybe the only one that takes after dear old augie-daugie dad
 
@GuruAdrian well his dad was smart enough to lay the groundwork for two wars his son would have to fight without getting caught...
 
people are fucking noisy today
so loud
a guy is doing something with a hammer
someone's phone is ringing and they're not picking up
 
user1804599
12:39 PM
When that happens I just switch off their phone.
 
user1646075
@Mgetz as a conservative, daddy was quite functional. regardless of whether you agree with his position or not. George W, however, still scares the shit out of me.
 
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@rightføld or move it somewhere wierd so they have to find it. Keep it plausible but far enough away to not be annoying.
 
@GuruAdrian he was better as a president than his predecessor, we are still feeling the horribles of that administration
 
Get your country into war with another country, then as a leader, you can brainwash people in the country to support you more. That's what Bush II did, and that's what Putin is doing ... although the other country must be somewhat at fault, how irrelevant it might be
 
user1646075
12:44 PM
@Mgetz yeah, ronnie is probably even more to blame. Who exactly helped the taliban to learn advanced military tactics against those dreaded ruskies? yes, definitely ronnie's time.
 
user1804599
oh cool
 
user1804599
PostgreSQL 9.4 got released yesterday.
 
@GuruAdrian and so we reap what we hath sown
 
unless the little bird eats it first?
 
user1646075
yeah, damn you democracy, how did you let us elect fools?
 
12:46 PM
fools elect fools
there are just too many idiots :'(
there is no hope. we are doomed
 
user1646075
hmmm, indeed they do. how the hell did mr abbott and his cronies get up. Or Palmer! PALMER!???
 
what I do not understand is that, I heard complaints against Bush junior all the times & yet how did he get re-elected the 2nd time??
where did he get all his supporters from??
 
I got my beer supply for the week end
 
@Rerito Ah.. thanks for the reminder. I have only two cans in. Must shop.
 
12:56 PM
Faro and blond Corsedonk for me
 
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@chmod711telkitty I see stupid people.
 
user1646075
it's amazing how many people have such a simplistic view of the world, that a few trite slogans are enough to get them onside.
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty oh is that what it is. I caught the tail-end on the news and was puzzled.
 
TIL there's a game that's set in North Career
 
@chmod711telkitty Don't forget to add the people that gets so cynical and disgusted they don't even vote anymore
 
Ell
1:00 PM
I don't understand how not voting can help
 
It definitely doesn't
 
user1646075
@Rerito oh true. it is such a good thing that voting is mandatory here. of course some would like that to be changed.
 
Ell
I wish it was mandatory here
 
@GuruAdrian speaking of which, it has been a bit 'wicked' in Australia these a few weeks, started with the 2 race horses death on the Melbourne cup day, then the siege, now 7 children died under the same roof. While the aussie dollar & ASX 200 going down the hill hand in hand ...
 
In France it's just a fucking ping pong game
They're all a bunch of screwed ups blaming each other so it's always going one way then the other ...
Fucking boring
 
user1646075
1:01 PM
@chmod711telkitty not to mention the 120+ children in pakistan. oh wait, that's a world away ;-/
 
user1646075
these things come in bunches. if they didn't, i'd have to blame it on a grand plan by an evil overlord. Statistically, it's clear it's just random
 
> Leaked image of the North Korean hacker who attacked Sony img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/aVQde4K_700b.jpg
ahahaha
 
user1646075
and don't forget the cricketer! the seige is the only thing that finally pushed that bs from the news.
 
@sandeep if logData is an std::string, you need to write logData.c_str() instead (and your compiler will have warned you about this).
@AlexM. That's racist
 
@GuruAdrian yeah, that's wicked too - how many times has a bounced ball killed a cricket player on the field?
seems that the newspapers are having a good time ...
 
user1646075
1:05 PM
i'm more distressed by all the carry-on for the cricketer. sure, it's a terrible work-place accident, but I'll bet 50 other people also died across aus that same day. 50? more?
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty probably not the first. Helmets are a recent innovation...
 
user1646075
they need chain mail on the back of the helmets I reckon
 
but after the helmet has been invented, how many cricketers have died from a bounced ball on the field while wearing it?
 
user1646075
it's an evil game anyway. Hard to think how it could be changed to make it more torturous for the players.
 
Don't complain @GuruAdrian, here we are just bashed about the local Kim Kardashian ...
 
1:10 PM
you guys are so racists and sexists that I almost feel home
 
lol:
9
Q: Alias "git git" to just "git"?

BenEvery now and then I wind up typing "git" then think of something else, then type e.g., "git checkout master". Of course, this leaves me with $ git git checkout master git: 'git' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. Did you mean this? init $ Is there a way to create a git alias named g...

 
user1646075
@Jefffrey how so?
 
@rubenvb 9 Upvotes ?
 
can't keep my eyes open, need to visit Zzz Zzz land ... hopefully I get to fly a little after eating seafood buffet in my dreams ~_~
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty and the wine is kicking in ... great idea @MartinJames
 
user1646075
1:15 PM
@Rerito wait, i thought you paris, KK LA?
 
@GuruAdrian The local ersatz of Kim Kardashian : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabilla_Benattia
 
user1804599
What is Kim Kardashian?
 
some dudette
 
@rightføld a hacker
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah right ? After all she broke internet
 
1:20 PM
@rightføld a big butt
with a human attached
 
user1646075
@rightføld a possessor of booty, apparently.
 
user1646075
2nd-last Craig Ferguson show tonite. @chmod711telkitty tune in or miss out!
 
user1804599
@GuruAdrian oh that slut
 
user1804599
I remember now.
 
user1646075
WHAT exactly is their claim to fame?
 
user1646075
1:23 PM
Whata (<= damn you wine, i give up on the spolling mistaiks) does that catch-phrase translate to?
 
user1646075
"no, but hello what". You'd rthink google translate could do better than that. I still don't get it.
 
what are you babbling about now?
 
user1646075
it's all in the transcript. shhh, 2nd-last show.
 
just because it's "in the transcript" doesn't mean it's in any way coherent or comprehensible
 
user1646075
astute observation. it all depends on where you start.
 
1:42 PM
Another phrase to add to my long list of 'immediate closevote touchstones': 'i am Student of WebMastering'
 
(and an xbox one)
(and a "drone")
 
I'm getting a raspberry pi from santa my parents
I've tried to forget that I asked them for it so it's something like a surprise
but I failed
 
lol PeeHaa kicked me from PHP for asking him to stop flagging shit
when did he regress to an eight-year old?
also, where is everybody o.O
 
1:59 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit If I have a blocked nose from some cold/flu/whatever, I can unblock it by thinking about it unblocking. It works for about 10 min, then it blocks up again.
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit aww so nice and good and politically correct
 
@MartinJames o.O
@rlemon "1 minute isn't long enough"? DIAF.
The next time you come in here whining about flags you can just fuck right off
 
you're so nice!
I'm glad we have people like you around
 
I'm nice to those who deserve it
Not to hypocritical backstabbers
 
also, did I say anything [rude] to you? why not read the transcript
thanks
 
2:03 PM
i.e. I was perfectly "nice" until you and PeeHaa decided to act like children
@rlemon I just quoted what you said about me. That one minute's kicking from the room is not enough. That's mean.
 
no, he kicked the other user
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Next time you have a cold and blocked nose, try it. Concentrate on secretions stopping, inflamed tissues draining.. It works for me.
 
I wasn't aware he kicked you as well
 
@rlemon No, he kicked me!
 
he also kicked the other user
 
2:04 PM
Since you don't appear to have been aware of that then you weren't referring to me and I take back all the above
x
are we friends again
 
:P
 
look I hate to say it but I'm not really enjoying Winter Bash so much this year :/
 
I think I'm going to rewrite some cuda code in plain C++ these holidays
 
-8
Q: How to equalize these two codes

EvE12 int x = 1; int y = 1; int z = 1; for (int i = 0; i < rows; i++){ for (int j = 0; j < cols + rows - 1; j++){ if ( i == j ){ x = x*d[i][j]; } if (i+1 == j){ y = y*d[i][j]; ...

wot
 
see if I can get it to work XD
 
2:07 PM
> John Wayne Gacy is one of the most notorious serial killers in history and noted for his creepy costumes that he used for clowning. museumsyndicate.com/artist.php?artist=475
they decided to burn lots of his paintings
should have been stocked in some sort of criminology college or w/e so that students can use them to study criminal psychology
or whatever
this particular piece is the stuff of nightmares lol museumsyndicate.com/item.php?item=12859
 
You are obsessed with serial killers this month
 
not just this month
tbh I'm more interested in reading about how they got apprehended
it's like watching a detective movie
but without the watching part
or the movie part
it's just the plot
 
2:25 PM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: DANGER: Watch out for wild animals! [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
argh
 
Do you guys think that annotating main's type is redundant or a bad habit?
 
... neither
 
In Haskell, I mean.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Thanks but that won't work — EvE12 5 mins ago
just what
 
2:26 PM
oh
gtfo then
 
:P
 
​> be OP
> have two pieces of code
> want second piece of code to produce the same output as first piece of code
> told to make second piece of code identical to first piece of code
> thatwontwork.png
 
People love me in the reddit haskell community.
 
user1804599
Nice.
 
user1804599
Terminal wallpaper.
 
2:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Laundry!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't wanna!
Wait. You wanted to do laundry?
What kind of female are you?
 
@AlexM. you specieist
 
hens are great
they just sit there and make eggs and eat
and sit some more
 
user1804599
s/sit/shit/
 
2:36 PM
hens are like cows, they don't do anything interesting
but are good
 
@Ell got my prints.
 
lol look at this rooster
he just arrived and a minute later already started fucking
damn
why can't it be so simple for humans
 
To have kids?
 
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@AlexM. ffs telkitty
 
telkitty traumatized the lounge
grandma told me not to play around the hens anymore, back when I was a kid, I used to scare them shitless
there was this empty space behind the barn
I'd split the hens in two parts, and make each part enter that empty space from a different side
then I'd just enter myself and scare the shit out of them
the different parts would bump into each other
I think I made them not lay eggs once LOL
I think I was stupid now, but it was fun then
 
2:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey robot, I was thinking, why don't you just go ahead and propose alternative ways of winning in Nomic?
 
Aren't we supposed to skip a turn each?
 
Nobody agreed on that
 
you should make a rule that making rules is banned
 
making rules during holidays is banned
I like it
 
@Jefffrey WTF, did I dream that up?
 
2:56 PM
there was just me talking with myself
 
I remember cosh talking about it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nothing was agreed to
 
probably forgot to turn on the cosh->English translator
 
But where did you talk about it?
I can't find it.
 
in your head
you are probably dreaming right now
 

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