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12:01 AM
found it
it's actually the same thing
so yeah, as hacky as it's gonna get
except he somehow manages to make it look worse
 
Ell
@Rapptz so choice<N> just sets which overload is preferred if ambiguity occurs?
 
lol
age of empire
 
Ell
@Borgleader lol
wololoooo
 
@Ell Yep.
 
Ell
12:06 AM
how will concepts lite solve the ambiguity?
 
basically choice<N> derives from choice<N - 1>, so you need to perform N derived-to-base conversions to select that overload, which is obviously worse than N-1 derived-to-base conversions
 
Ell
yeah
 
@Xeo how do you play Factorio on Steam?
 
Xeo
added as a non-steam game
 
12:31 AM
So, this Steam sale I'm not buying anything for myself. Everything I'll buy we'll be as gifts.
Because fuck it.
 
honestly
this sale is pretty disappointing
 
It's been one day.
Why?
 
because
 
Xeo
Banished 60% off isn't too bad
 
it seems to me like everything on sale is bad triple A games.
 
Xeo
12:32 AM
I think @Cat has bin enjoying that?
 
except the odd indie like KSP
that I've already bought :P
 
I want to introduce
 
It's been one day. Yes.
 
the other sales headlined with much more impressive lineups, from memory
 
I miss the community votes.
 
12:34 AM
and the flash sales.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's that?
 
and the duration is about ten days shorter than the rest.
 
Xeo
Well, winter sale should be coming soon after
which will probably be the standard format
 
yep
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... on SO, or not?
 
12:35 AM
that's what I'm saying- this isn't a real Steam Sale, this is just them warming up or something.
the real barrage has yet to come.
 
@Columbo Gosh, just let the points go for a while.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not everyone's got a shitload of rep.
We are all striving to survive.
 
and not everyone gives a shit
 
@Puppy Correct.
 
the more rep you accumulate, the more you learn it's totally useless.
 
12:36 AM
Then again, most do.
@Puppy But it feels so good
 
unless you don't have a degree and are trying to get a job in which case it helps, I guess.
 
@Puppy You can make palindromes.
 
@Puppy Doesn't it help in either case?
 
not really.
 
@Puppy Why not? Can't you present your employer that you are an acknowledged expert on the largest programming community worldwide?
"Acknowledged"
 
12:38 AM
acknowledged expert != shitloads of rep.
 
@Columbo Rep means nothing :/
 
I am an expert, but my bucketloads of rep isn't evidence of that.
 
Xeo
Exhibit A: Vlad
4
 
My boss found me because he kept running into my answers.
 
it's merely evidence that I answered a shitton of questions.
 
Xeo
12:38 AM
Exhibit B: Mysticial
 
Not because he went to the user list and I was high up there.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Seriously?
 
I've had job interviews from Google and Oracle because of my rep, though.
not that I actually want to work at Google.
but y'know.
 
@Columbo It's a negative scale. The higher the rep, the more the chat interaction, the lower the chance that you are a total asshole.
 
@Columbo Not just. I'm mildly famous.
That feels weird to say.
 
12:39 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes In a positive way.
 
No.
I don't like it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tough. You'll just have to put up with it.
 
Thing is, if you amass a lot of rep with unimpressive answers, I doubt the rep helps much.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I feel guilt in there. :P
 
Ell
bioshock infinite 75% off
I've already completed it
on a different steam account
 
12:43 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's kinda the problem I have. I need good questions that excellingly precise answers can be posted on. Matt McNabb stole one today :(
 
Ell
all these games are windows only
I'll buy a few anyway
 
@Columbo Good questions are very rare these days.
 
Ell
borderlands 2 is for linux
I'll get that
 
@MarkGarcia That's why I started project PhantomPoster. I'm currently about to quit that since I can't decide between Upper- and lowerCamelCase for the title :/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also mildly infamous.
 
12:46 AM
But in all seriousness: the idea is to post good and interesting questions under a smurf account. I could do it with the same account I'm using to answer (i.e. this one) but that gives an extremely wankerish impression
 
BDE (Bloomberg's github) seems kinda interesting.
They have many types of allocators.
 
@Ell Been a while since I played that. If you want to coop some day let me know. NIPPLE SALADS.
 
Ell
NIPPLE SALADS? :P is that a way to search this message easily or something? :P
 
@StackedCrooked I can't see what's so inevitably important about allocators. One for Heap storage, one referring to an Arena, one having it's own pool. Perhaps something for Threading (?). Isn't that pretty much it?
 
Ell
I haven't played borderlands 2 yet if it's a reference >.<
 
12:49 AM
@Ell It's something the outside voice of the Psycho says.
 
Ell
Oh right
 
@Columbo No. You should do a Q&A with the same account. That's just a misconception of yours. Though it really needs to be an interesting Q&A (often a FAQ, as seen with sbi's Q&As). Also you want more rep.
 
Nov 12 '13 at 17:58, by R. Martinho Fernandes
All I can think of when I open that comment box is: "STOP DOING THIS SHIT THIS IS JUST WRONG NO YOU DON'T WANT A TRAIT TO GET A FUNCTION'S NIPPLE SALADS I WANT TO LIVE IN A CASTLE BUILT OF YOUR AGONY AND TO CRUMBLE IT WITH AN AXE TO YOUR CAROTID ARTERY"
 
Ell
I bought Toybox Turbos as well
I loved the original micro machines too much
 
@MarkGarcia I can come up with some general questions that would be fun to answer.
... and no-one has yet.
 
Ell
12:57 AM
damn you blender
why didn't you ask if I wanted to save when I closed you off!
damn me and my multiple instances of everything corrupting saves all the time
wow I'm so amazing at 3d
 
Is that a cube?
Say, you can Blender?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, it's a power up box ;)
 
I want to make some awkward Lego parts and I need a 3D model for printing them and I can't Blender.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm pretty bad at it but I could give it a go? :P
which parts? do you have some drawings?
 
Not actual Lego­® parts, but more like shapes that fit into Lego parts.
 
Ell
1:04 AM
Oh right
I could give it a go with a reference image
 
@Ell I have to take some measurements, but I can draw it. It's not too complicated.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm more interested on how you'll print them.
 
With a 3D printer?
 
You have one?
 
1:06 AM
Cool!
 
Though since they're so simple I could also laser cut them.
 
Ell
if you can design them in 2d anyway then it's not much effort turning them 3d in blender
 
Something like this i.stack.imgur.com/jKISg.png (top view, side view)
 
Ell
looks pretty simple
once I know the proportions it should be a breeze
 
The small bit on top is meant to be Lego®-sized to fit into some Lego antennas. Official dimensions are easy to find.
 
Ell
1:09 AM
I'll give it a go tomorrow :)
 
The middle cylinder is to have the radius of the antennas' bases, and the bottom radius just needs to be "large enough". 1cm should do.
The height I need to measure properly.
 
Ell
What format does the 3d printer take?
 
I can convert Blender files into whatever it is.
Or so I've been told.
 
stl? obj?
 
So, 3mm for the middle cylinder height should be good enough, and the base is just as thin as possible, so 1mm should do.
So the small knob on top is 1.7mm high and 4.8 diameter.
 
Ell
1:16 AM
I assume it has to be one solid mesh?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh yeah, I mean 1cm diameter, not radius.
 
Ell
I'm just asking because if not I can just stick a bunch of cylinders on top of each other
 
@Ell Yeah, preferably.
 
Ell
If so I'll just make it high res mesh
@R.MartinhoFernandes does the bottom need to just be flat?
Or be able to plug on top of other Lego parts?
 
So now with dimensions i.stack.imgur.com/oGBOd.png
@Ell Yeah. It's just a flat base.
 
1:21 AM
@Ell Theres an option for that sortof
> File -> User Preferences -> Interface -> Prompt Quit (bottom right)
 
I'm going to put them through cardboard so they poke out of it and I can plug the antennas on and out. The base is just to make sure taking the antennas out won't pull the bases through.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :(
 
lol
@Borgleader why?
 
y u no Canada flag :P
 
1:25 AM
There's no Canada in Diplomacy.
They're to go on this board. i.stack.imgur.com/m01DD.jpg
It's gonna be the most awesome set ever built.
 
Oh damn, that's a nice board :O
 
I had to cannibalise the map from one set, and the metal pieces from another.
Neither had proper flags, so that's where Lego antennas come in.
I actually don't like a few things about the map, but it's the best non-custom you can find. I'll probably replace it if I take the time to draw one map with the fixes I want.
 
1:44 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You haven't commited to ogonek in almost a year :(
 
I know. I'm not going to before I sort out my life. Sorry.
 
iow you got bored of the project
from now on your name shall be leftfold.
 
I want to get back on it, but I currently am almost never in the mood to take part in any project.
 
lol current view of has negative average score.
 
@MarkGarcia qustions have been unnaturally shitty today
 
1:52 AM
@StackedCrooked I'm just bored of programming in general, I find.
 
Weird.
I don't recall ever getting bored of programming.
Unless that period when I was madly in love.
But that's a long time ago.
I suppose that's a consequence of doing Haskell.
 
What do you mean?
 
All other programming becomes inferior.
It seems to me.
Since I don't really know the language.
 
I learned Haskell ten years ago.
 
wow
I dabbled with it for a few months around 2006.
 
1:56 AM
I had classes with it for two and a half years.
 
@StackedCrooked With C++?
 
I suppose if you are getting bored of one thing it's because somethings is more fun.
 
Hmm, not really.
 
1:58 AM
@Columbo now with Brenda
 
@StackedCrooked #Womanizer
 
it was kinda bad
 
@StackedCrooked nice "save" :P
 
@StackedCrooked "History" lol
 
I even joined a choir because she was in it.
Can you imagine.
 
2:00 AM
@StackedCrooked Omg wat
Pics or it didn't happen
@StackedCrooked Was she good looking?
 
Pics exist, but I'm afraid I don't have them anymore.
Perhaps on my old hard disks.
@Columbo Nah.
 
@StackedCrooked I don't understand then.
 
@Columbo lol
 
I don't understand either.
 
@MarkGarcia jk :P
@StackedCrooked Yes, in hindsight love seems strange.
Sometimes.
 
2:02 AM
@StackedCrooked Don't worry. That's understandable.
 
Like, obsessions.
I had some too, that are phases that pass by.
@StackedCrooked What does that "now" refer to btw?
 
that's a typo, I meant to write "no"
 
I had an obsession for fire once.
That ended in me burning down 50m² of field.
 
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David MulderThis image has been making the rounds on the internet, with the caption: This is a ship-shipping ship, shipping shipping ships. The obvious question being: is this true or a photoshop? And yes, I spend quite a bit of time searching around, but reverse image search only turns up the same i...

I love that ship.
 
Like, dry straw.
 
2:05 AM
That's probably not a nice memory.
Unless you were really into it.
 
Well, I found it really cool and everything. Went to the store to by a pack of match sticks everyday.
 
Ell
I'm so vomit phobic
I'm on the phone to someone who may vomit any minute
I'm afraid
 
> when my brother was 17 he backed his truck up into my dads 1951 Pontiac. Now my dad bought this car when he was a teenager and spent years fixing it up, and was always really careful with it. My brother was so scared to tell him that he didn't come home for a week.
 
Ell
Oh shit that's bad :L
 
2:12 AM
@StackedCrooked Best scenario would be the kid fixing it up with his dad.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes have you always programmed for a living?
Maybe you're just not being challenged enough
Usually when I'm bored of something its because I'm not challenged enough or too challenged
Like most sports are too challenging for me :p
Some video games aren't challenging enough
C++ is challenging but not too much that its impossible and not too little that I'm bored
 
Even though it's challenging, with no pressure it's still hard to force yourself into doing it.
 
Ell
Not for me
 
Some (most?) programmers works best under pressure.
 
Ell
Unless you mean completing a project :v
I usually start a project and learn some new domain with it
Then once the learning is over I start a new project :P
That's my problem. Lack of dedication
 
2:17 AM
@Ell Yes.
@Ell Nah, I don't think so.
I don't want to talk about it.
 
What's up Robot?
 
Methinks Robot is depressed :(
 
Ell
He don't wanna talk about it. Let's change the subject
How about those cranberries then eh?
 
TIL Robot is diesel powered. He needs some heating up now.
 
Ell
I hope I get into Bristol next year
I think I'd cry if I didn't
I'd more than cry
 
2:22 AM
@Ell Who's Bristol ;)
 
Ell
Hahah
I'd be so disappointed with myself
 
@Ell I only know that in ISO C++ meeting reports.
 
Ell
I think I'll take a 5 month lounge-cation after christmas probably
 
When I get bored of programming I just play vidya.
 
Ell
Last time I had a break I feared that you guys wouldn't be here when I came back
That would make me sad
 
2:24 AM
@Ell Implying we have anywhere else to go ;)
 
Ell
Some of you do :P
 
I do sometimes think of how the Lounge would be after 10 years.
Or 5. Even 3.
 
Ell
I think the people just change
 
Or they don't.
 
@MarkGarcia it's gonna be full of arrogant young men :)
 
Ell
2:29 AM
I've lived through 3 years of the lounge and all that's changed is that people have gone
 
@Ell s/change/gets replaced/
 
Ell
And come
And gone again
And changed nicks
 
What a story.
 
Ell
And genders, and occupations, and locations...
 
@StackedCrooked What about the unyoung ones? ;)
 
2:30 AM
They are grumpy.
 
I'm gonna print a bunch of these and put them around the city.
Need to make a German translation.
 
You'll need a bigger frame for that. :P
 
Ell
I need motivational speakers
Hmm I bet there's a podcast for that
 
Go to a gym.
 
that image is photoshopped
:/
unnatural lighting in the paper
 
Ell
2:36 AM
I want one of these
 
Stupid as fuck.
 
Ell
Its cool
I could print integrals every day
Or crosswords
Or something.
 
@Ell or QR codes
:D
 
@Ell I couldn't figure out the size of that thing.
> $199
...
 
Ell
Its small
Like a receipt printer
 
2:44 AM
@Ell Reminds me of the printer for Gameboy back in the day
Never seen so many programming related comments on a youtube video before.
 
Ell
3:11 AM
I must sleep
 
Sleep well then.
 
Xeo
aw crap, 4am
time to sleep
 
3:30 AM
fuck, 4:30am
time to sleep
 
fuck, 10:30pm
time to sleep();
 
user1646075
@Borgleader test that GetTomorrowsTime() algorithm that's been doing the rounds
 
3:50 AM
hey bitches
but not to worry! i can barely type.
Yes it's annoying when people don't pay attention to detail
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not nearly enough I see
 
@Jefffrey asdfasdf
.i'm staying up for a bit only because i know if i go to bed now i'll be ill
mayne @Xeos right lol
lounge so alcoholism
er wtf
hi
 
4:06 AM
hi
 
what have you drank?
 
absinthe too?
 
nmop
no*
that woudl be siully
whatcha doing @Jefffrey
 
 
1 hour later…
5:35 AM
Room is asleep post Haskell
 
5:55 AM
 
6:43 AM
Finally the room has died
Rest in peace guys :P
 
It is alive
 
@RonaldMunodawafa remove your message or die :D
 
I would rather die than fade away
 
Alright, Good night :P
 
 
1 hour later…
8:08 AM
Wow, the Lounge really has Europeanized.
 
user1804599
> It's ‪#‎BlackFriday‬, but for us, it's the second annual ‪#‎BlackHoleFriday‬. Today, we'll post pics & info about black holes.
 
user1804599
lolnasa
 
user1804599
Oh right today the average debt of merkins raises by a factor 10.
 
oh man
I had a dream about being in the hospital, being intubated and having some horrible throat infection
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion In Lounge<C++> your dreams will come true. Don't worry.
 
8:15 AM
:(
At least its Friday
 
I am getting this warning from MSVC 2013 Nov 2013 CTP: 'log4cplus::helpers::ConvertIntegerToStringHelper<intType,charType,true>::is_ne‌​gative': call to undefined 'constexpr' function results in a non-constant expression
I think the function is defined. It is defined in a specialization of the ConvertIntegerToStringHelper class template.
 
user1804599
SSCCE.
 
Is this a quirk of MSVC or am I doing something fundamentally wrong?
@rightføld SSCCE?
 
user1804599
@Griwes github.com/rightfold/baka/tree/master/include/baka/io todo list contains traits and seek.
 
user1804599
Formatting integers is a completely different thing though. Has nothing to do with I/O so shouldn't be done by I/O APIs.
 
8:27 AM
is someone who knows git around?
@VáclavZeman SSCCE
 
user1804599
Yum. Carrot juice.
 
Is there a paste bin site for C++ that runs MSVC?
 
@VáclavZeman yes. I posted it quite some time ago
Nov 19 at 9:24, by Bartek Banachewicz
This online compiler has collaborative editing, three different editors, and Haskell
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nice. Except that the compiler is not the Nov 2013 CTP thus does not support constexpr.
A bit reduced test case that shows the warning with the CTP Nov 2013 compiler: rextester.com/MJBCQ50709
Clang on the same site does not complain and neither does GCC.
@rightføld ^
 
8:52 AM
I have no idea why this IRC bot isn't working
Fuck NickServ
Fuck IRC
This is so annoying
 
user1804599
Fuck Lounge<Chat>
 
hmpfh
guys
I made a CNAME to GH pages
 
@rightføld Awww. What has happened, dude?
 
now I'm getting 404 from GH
 
user1804599
wow
     much CNAME
 such indirection
 
8:58 AM
 
@rightføld help :(
 
this is Microsoft official
despite the weird URL
it's rise4fun.com
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know shit about DNS.
 
user1804599
What is your domain name?
 

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