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9:00 PM
4 units of gas per 10 units of oil per 5 seconds and this is where I say fuck it I'll just throw things in as needed
 
My air conditioner is broken and it is 33 deg Celcius
 
@thecoshman I just like to build conveyor belt monstrosities.
 
@CatPlusPlus my plan for this :D
 
Man killing trees with shotgun is so much faster than cutting them down one by one
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes have you worked out the perfect system yet?
 
9:01 PM
For what?
 
@CatPlusPlus grenades looks good!
@R.MartinhoFernandes for it all :P
 
I've spent three hours tuning my red bottle production.
 
Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur.
 
do inserters only put onto the one side, or just favour one side?
@R.MartinhoFernandes what, getting the perfect balance of inputs?
 
9:07 PM
@thecoshman They put on far side
They take from both, but prefer near
 
@thecoshman And compactness and decent aesthetics.
When I finished, I had already all the red-only science and a huge stockpile of reds left.
 
@cat are you sure you can't just throw a load of logistic bots at the problem to get your through put?
 
But at least it was perfect.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you'll still use them in later tech
there's stuff that needs huge amounts of science packs
 
As far as I know logi bots are good only for things that take a long time to make/don't require frequent roundtrips
Like science and processing units and whatnot
 
9:10 PM
oh ok
makes sense I guess
 
alright, new theory
I'm not using much coal because I'm hardly mining any copper or iron.
 
You won't use much coal, don't worry about coal
 
user1804599
Can you destroy stone rocks?
 
Yes, with guns
 
@rightføld 'c' shoots your gun
space just shoots at enemies
 
9:16 PM
sure
but I was also hardly producing any copper or iron.
barely using 2-3 furnaces on each
 
Oh don't worry
You'll need a lot more
 
Ell
balls
 
@CatPlusPlus ?
You use it to cook stuff. And cooking stuff is 30% of this game.
 
I wasn't even ramped up, and I had like 8 electric furnaces for iron
 
@Jefffrey You use ridiculously less fuel than raw ore
Before chemical plants you're unlikely to have coal issues, unless you have a really tiny deposit
 
boy I really need that 3-component-recipe assembler
@CatPlusPlus I've currently got more than two iron chests full of coal.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman thanks
 
@Puppy lol yeah, when you need it you need it
 
user1804599
Ironically the stone is exactly at the place I want to put my bullet factory.
 
What do you use the gold and red liquid for at the beginning?
 
9:23 PM
@Jefffrey huh?
what liquid?
 
I need to flush some tanks of this stuff so that I can use the pretrolium.
 
if you break them, they empty
 
fyi, the heavy and light oil can be used
yeah, that stuff
save it for now
 
I can't save it because otherwise it stops production of the third one.
 
9:24 PM
you need the heavy oil to make lube, and both can be broken down into petrolium
add more tanks then
 
Ell
Is documentation for the destructor useful? I guess it could say what stuff the class is responsible for, but generally the user doesn't call it manually so I'm not sure. Thoughts?
 
and that is clearly not red
 
@Jefffrey Add more storage :v
 
I can't fit many tanks there.
 
Or start making flamethrower ammo
It uses both light and heavy oil
 
9:25 PM
@Jefffrey add pipes then vOv
 
Or make solid fuel
 
I think I'll make solid fuel.
 
Heavy oil is needed for lubricant also
And light oil can be transformed into more petroleum gas I think
Yeah after advanced oil processing
 
@CatPlusPlus as can the heavy if you fancy it
 
Heavy cracks into light
 
9:26 PM
not sure if there is an easy to control splitting of flued though...
@CatPlusPlus well yeah, intermediate step :P
 
btw dunno if you know but that red X in chests can be used to limit how many stacks machines output there
I need to get engine units done fast
I need pumps aaa
 
@CatPlusPlus didn't know... handy
 
Ell
How many robors you guys got?
 
Ugh and I wonder why production doesn't start
I thought tanks were a problem but
The worst thing
 
9:33 PM
Also wtb pipe flushing
 
Ell
pipe flushing is messed up when I tried it
I had to just delete and recreate from the right side
 
hmm
 
There is no pipe flushing that's the problem
 
is there a convenient way of feeding coal automatically into boilers?
 
You have to tear them down
@Puppy Yes, inserters :v
 
9:34 PM
there doesn't seem to be much space to add inserters
 
What.
Make space
 
ohh, you can stack steam engines in serial as well as parallel?
 
They have pipe input/output in the middle
HAHA FLAMETHROWER IS GO
 
I canny wait to get solar again
 
9:39 PM
so
each engine doesn't actually consume much water, then
 
One pump can run 10 engines fine
 
it's so nice that you can just click a boiler over the pipe, rather than having destroy it first.
 
@Puppy lol yeah
 
you have 1 pump to 7 boilers to five engines, right?
 
Yes
Well no, 1 pump to 14 to 10
Optimally
 
9:40 PM
ah yeah
 
pumps are cheap anyway
 
I have 3 pumps for some reason but don't remember why
 
but pumps are effectively free
 
It doesn't really matter
 
9:44 PM
Okay pipes too cramped ugh
 
do I need my science packs to be in the same labs to research?
I mean, science pack 1 and 2, say.
 
Yes
Each lab needs all required packs in required amount to advance research
 
ok why the fuck do I have 15 burner inserters
musta been a misclick
 
user1804599
Can I dump on transport belt from inventory?
 
user1804599
Or do I need to put it in a chest and use an inserter?
 
9:50 PM
@rightføld this
 
put in chest and use inserter
hmm
 
@rightføld Yes
 
if it takes 6 seconds to make a science pack 2, and 0.5 sec to produce an inserter, then I can power 12 sci pack 2 assemblers from one inserter assembler, roughly.
right?
 
user1804599
Bleh.
 
plus/minus time for the actual insertions to occur
 
9:51 PM
Wiki says "Optimal time/item usage: 2 Inserter factories + 1 Transport Belt factory → 24 Science pack 2 factories. "
So yeah something like that
 
now then
labs consume sci pack 1 and 2 at the same rate, I think?
if the research requires the same amount.
which all the basic ones do.
 
If it requires the same amount then yes
 
so I'll also need about 12 sci pack 1 facts.
 
Some techs have e.g. 2 red 1 green
 
how smart/dumb are the aliens?
 
9:54 PM
Or something like that
 
like... if leave only one opening, but cover it with loads of turrets, will they only attack that way?
@Puppy that's constant delay though
 
Dunno probably
 
AFAIK research always requires equal numbers of packs that it requires
 
How to go insane in 10 easy steps:
@thecoshman Not always
 
@CatPlusPlus what doesn't?
 
9:56 PM
Military 3: 1 red 2 green 1 blue
Combat robot damage 3: 2 red 2 green 1 blue
 
oh right
 
Automobilism: 2 red 1 green
There are a few of those
 
yeah
still, just saturate belts :P
 
right
and to use ~2 sci pack 1/2 per second, I'll need
a shitload of labs?
 
You don't use them per second
 
9:59 PM
yeah I'm seeing that
different researches have different consumption rates
 
Fastest research takes 10s per unit
 
Ell
I have 28 labs
 
so at the LEAST, I'd need 20-30 labs
 
I had like 12 and it was reasonably fast
I'm really proud of this piping
 
note to self
you just made a bunch of assemblers.
get them to help you make this circuit shit
 
10:01 PM
Automate everything
 
I did more research than I knew what to do with using only 7 or 8 labs
@CatPlusPlus woooah, deja vu
 
This is pretty good, but I think it's confusing that it's called array and looks just like std::array at declaration but has template parameters (and semantics) that differ so very wildly (e.g. dynamically sized!). Consider giving it a different name. Also big ew at C headers, malloc, realloc and free ... wait a minute .... you don't have a free! You leak all the data. Nice. — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
also ugh more old people with their "old person pride"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In retrospect, I'm too old for "Space 1999"... The Moon base I'm thinking of must be (it is) the one in "UFO", the 1969 TV series also by the Andersons. — gboffi 5 mins ago
I just don't get it. I mean, that logic doesn't even make sense. Do people lose the ability to watch TV at age ~20? That's what his comment implies (with Space 1999 premiering just ten years after UFO, and assuming he means that he only watched this stuff as a kid).
Pfft.
 
@thecoshman Was just thinking that.
 
@thecoshman almost. missing backticks though!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "I'm too young" would make some sense. "I'm too old" is weird.
 
10:10 PM
ah crap
I made the single-belt mistake again.
 
yesterday, by Cat Plus Plus
automate everything
 
now everything's getting jammed up
 
Also he says that a lot
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah :/
@R.MartinhoFernandes and even then it'd still be broken because I watched it for the first time in the late 90s
just another older person "showing off" at being older (or assuming that he is), apparently. kinda annoys me. oh well.
Looks like I'm staying in tonight — you lucky things!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit there's an upper limit on the stuff you can have watched. That limit is lower if you're younger.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :P
"I'm too young to have seen Space 1999" given that I've spent all 306803.35 hours of my life so far watching other things."
 
10:14 PM
holy shit.
 
There's nothing in there that precluded you from actually making Space 1999 one of those things you watched in the first place, of course.
 
those fast inserters do not shit around.
4
 
I found an old photo of myself
well not that old
 
@Puppy bad design or just not using it fast enough?
 
@thecoshman Bad design.
 
10:15 PM
why aren't you in

Lounge<Factorio>

You are either not producing enough, or not consuming enough.
 
for my furnaces, I implemented what amounts to a buffer- they take in on one belt and output on another, so if they don't consume fast enough or something backs up, the output belt doesn't get clogged up with excess.
 
@Puppy yes, we all buffer stuff
 
but I used the same belt for input and output for all my assemblers and the smelted stuff.
 
I did buffers once but meh
Supposedly they work well for miners
 
plz merge to the other channel TIA
 
But I think it needs logi network
 
@BartekBanachewicz this one?
 
Ell
I have 8 steel chests full of iron plates buffering with 8 more free'd up
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
I tried to make this my new avatar yesterday, but SO scaled it weirdly :(
 
10:17 PM
If you're buffering then you should add more sinks!
 
@Puppy that's just norma stuff
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Your next avatar?
 
ooooh yay it works post-save
there we go then
oh shit no space for hats....... oh well I can fix that later
(sorry CASE)
 
It's TARS, no?
AFAIR it's Cooper, Amelia, Doyle, and TARS that go down to Miller's planet.
 
Ohhh movie reference
 
10:19 PM
CASE remains with Romilly.
 
I saw it last night :)
 
@thecoshman Yeah, but now I have to go back and fix essentially all of my assembly lines.
 
also (hilariously) my entire factory ground to a halt.
turns out I misplaced that one power cable that feeds the inserters that feed my boilers.
 
10:22 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That would be nice symmetry given that TARS is the one with Romilly when you know what and that TARS is the "main guy" of the two so he'd have been present for more action. However, I'm not sure it's the case. Checking it out.
Sounds like CASE to me
yeah it's CASE
 
Where did you check that?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @LightnessRacesinOrbit How did you guys like Interstellar ?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes My crappy cam copy that I've been using to revisit certain scenes and do fact checking and whatnot
Although...... I'm confused now. I've noticed that it appears to say "C" not "S" here:
It's quite clearly not TARS, though, and it's CASE's voice.
Is it actually CACE? I can't find any other evidence of this right now.
 
10:28 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, it's CASE.
 
user1804599
Ugh.
 
user1804599
Iron mine in forest.
 
The robot names are an anagram of SPACE STAR KIP (not sure about order).
Kip is the name of one of the science advisors or something.
TARS is an anagram of STAR and CASE with the spare P from KIPP makes SPACE.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes jeezus, did you nothice that during the movie or you read that online after?
 
^ Better picture showing that it's CASE. Can't explain the previous image (direct from film) at all.
 
10:30 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit CGI error?
 
@Borgleader Well, I had to look up what "Kip" meant after. But yeah, I figured out the rest on my own.
 
@Borgleader That's quite the error. To accidentally replace one of your expensive CG characters with a different model, one that doesn't appear in the rest of the movie and has the wrong name on it (a name not relevant to any of the screenplay) for just one shot.
You'd have to go out of your way to create that broken model, I'd have thought.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Might be some kind of downsampling artifact?
Also:
My God — it's full of TARS!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It must be. This is a curious mystery, though. Remind me to check it out again when the DVD comes out ;P
@Borgleader fucking awesome
@Borgleader for SO
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, theoretical physicist Kip Thorne.
 
Btw, @LightnessRacesinOrbit you might like this: wired.com/2014/11/absolute-zero
 
10:45 PM
no one has answered my question.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In Italy UFO was aired in 1971 (I just checked, did I tell you I'm too old?) and Space 1999 in 1975. I was an avid fan of UFO, but 4 years later I was no more interested in TV series... Ciao — gboffi 29 mins ago
 
So there you have it. He's "too old" for Space 1999 because he happened to have lost interest in TV by 1975. In conclusion, what the actual fuck. Ciao
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hah, literally just got back from reading that after discovering it by other means a few moments ago
 
no, but I did just downvote it.
 
wtf
 
11:00 PM
it's Puppy what did you expect
 
it seems obvious.
 
you used the word 'inherit' too much there for my taste
TL;DR
 
because it does!!!!
"MainWindow" inherits from "ChessBoard"!!!
 
intelligent design
 
Ell
@edition a window isn't a chessboard o.O
 
11:11 PM
thats what i called the f'n base class, to inherit from. Did you read the question?
 
He's saying you shouldn't have done. Don't be rude.
Arguably a window contains a chessboard rather than being one, though I don't think this is necessarily a big problem.
@BartekBanachewicz I see it once
okay kinda twice
 
ill admit its a terrible question.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Dude, I own that.
A physical copy.
Well, technically, I will, next Monday.
They don't deliver shit on weekends.
 
Ok so, I'm designing engine, that either just runs the game, or has an editor mode. But I don't want the editor mode details to leak into the actual engine code. So I'm thinking I'd forward declare a friend class in the engine, and stuff all the ui specifics in there. The actual definition of the friend class would live inside another dll entirely.
Sounds good?
 
could someone describe how my question can be fixed?
 
11:18 PM
@edition You need to narrow down the problem and just describe that, with code that shows the problem
 
well, it produces the text without the pattern.
 
@Borgleader yay that's what we needed
another game engine
:P
 
@edition thats too vague
you should try a debugger
 
I based it on the Qt RasterClock example
 
too vague
we're not going to debug your issue for you
you need to be specific
 
11:19 PM
Qt Creator, doesn't produce error messages.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well its more of a playground for trying out 3d stuff. I need a framework. Cuz theres a few things i wanted to try and everytime i got frustrated by all the other code i had to write first before i could do what i wanted and that bummed me out. So I figure, I'll write that so next time theres a technique i want to try, I'll have that ready.
 
it says "the process started/finished successfully".
 
that's not useful information
 
@edition ah, the issue is solved then. good
 
Ell
11:21 PM
@Borgleader hmm not sure
 
you need to investigate more than just "it doesn't draw the pattern on the screen"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What is this ... "physical copy" ... of which you speak?
 
that just shows you didn't bother to actually try to understand WHY it doesn't
 
Ell
What renderer details does the editor need to know?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I like things.
 
11:23 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me too and I traditionally bought "hard copies" of my absolute favourite albums and soundtracks. Thing is, I never actually use those hard copies so I thought.. what's the point?
 
I like things more than you do!
 
prove it
 
/OT Ah, found another cutie avatar. Though I liked that frightened girl very much, you had some time ago ;-) ... — πάντα ῥεῖ 2 mins ago
T'Pol, presumably
 
hmm
I need to split up my function analysis to be in two passes
 
@Puppy he does.
 
11:33 PM
at least SO is a good learning experience, even if your question is not answered.
 
user1804599
Should I put turrets in front of the wall or behind it?
 
so all I want to do is draw a chessboard, using QPainter.
 
I told you a while ago how to improve your question to get it answered.
quit acting entitled
 
well then you'd better get right on that
 
ill start from scratch.
 
11:54 PM
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