« first day (1318 days earlier)      last day (3629 days later) » 

11:00 AM
<chrono>, I'm looking at you.
 
Thing is, I can't reasonably care about every programming language and its environment on the planet, so I hereby condemn Ruby ecosystem to death.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh that was is a sick unfunny joke
in stdlib it's just bullshit I agree
especially in closed, worth millions, fucking microsoft-we-so-good-at-software stdlib
 
The thing with <chrono> in MSVC is exactly the same: a primary use case was never tested.
Any test of that feature, no matter how simple, exposes the problem.
 
I think those are called smoke tests
 
When things don't even compile, any test would do.
 
okey so
i have a circular dependency to fix and I have no idea how to fix it
also GHC 7.8 looks awesome
hi @copy
 
Xeo
11:02 AM
Don't have a circular dependency, problem solved.
 
@Xeo I don't see it :/
 
What's wrong with <chrono>?
 
It's broken
Like many things on MSVC
 
Xeo
Well apparently something Glisha imports imports Glisha in return
 
@Maxpm let's start with "everything" and go from there
 
11:03 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Hi
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz It's one specific thing, and only on MSVC
 
@BartekBanachewicz Post code
 
Xeo
<chrono> itself is awesome
 
module Glisha (module All) where

import Glisha.Common as All hiding (UnsafeGlisha)
import Glisha.2D as All
import Control.Monad.State as All
 
Xeo
Unless you're on MSVC
 
11:04 AM
@Xeo okay, I overdid that.
 
Entire code
 
lemme commit
 
Also why do you import two things as All
 
@BartekBanachewicz what? Glista?
 
Well three
 
11:05 AM
@CatPlusPlus to concat and reexport together?
uh fuck you git do a rename
 
Just export everything and import normally
This is silly
Also you shouldn't do that anyway
 
@CatPlusPlus here
@CatPlusPlus I was restructuring my modules as a step in refactoring, if you know how to do that better then suggestions are welcome.
I should hide the internal stuff too I guess
not sure how yet
 
Xeo
Glisha.2D doesn't seem to exist
 
I'm p sure you can't "concat" modules like that, also
It just does weird things with collisions
 
@CatPlusPlus it worked well enough so far
I didn't invent it myself.
I admit I am not sure how I should do it.
I was going to look at some other library
 
user1804599
11:09 AM
Use #include. Screw modules.
 
No but really if you want to do this do module Glisha (...) where { import Glisha.Common hiding ...; import Glisha.2D; import Control.Monad.State; ... etc }
But you shouldn't have one module to reexport everything anyway
Some minimal API, maybe
 
It was supposed to be as simple to use as possible
 
user1804599
Noo.
 
import, load function, draw function, go
 
user1804599
If you structure your library in such a way just so you can write a hello world tutorial with three lines of code, you're doing it wrong.
 
11:11 AM
well, if/when it grows, it would cease to make sense, I guess
 
Xeo
wtf
 
well fine enough, let's remove the Glisha module altogether
 
Xeo
I can't seem to leave the JS room
 
@Xeo it's dragging you back in?
 
Xeo
Everytime I leave, it shows up again
 
11:12 AM
You can checkout at any time but you can never commit wait what
And fuck you if you don't find this funny
:<
 
Hotel Loungifornia.
 
Xeo
Okay, let's try this again
AASAUSGHAOGUIAO
 
Chat is very well coded <tm>
 
Xeo
why
 
user3010322
11:14 AM
@rightfold HEY Xeo-Senpai is my sensei!!!
 
Xeo
whyyyy
 
Where does it show up anyway
Just close the tab
 
Xeo
I did
 
Then restart your browser
 
Xeo
it shows up on the right, above the starboard
 
user3010322
11:15 AM
@CatPlusPlus â„¢
 
Xeo
> other rooms you're in
 
I think I should make Glisha an instance of Applicative :F
 
Go in and click leave there
 
don't look at me
 
It cannot die: the help-vampires are finally having a physical effect.
 
Xeo
11:16 AM
@CatPlusPlus Tried that already
 
JS room is literally hell
 
Xeo
IT'S BACK AGAIN ARRRRGHHHH
 
samples\sample.hs:22:6:
    Not in scope: `get'
    Perhaps you meant `GL.get' (imported from Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL)
wat
 
Xeo
I restarted, left the room from in there, left the room from here.
WHY
 
ah right Glisha module reexported State
 
11:17 AM
QUICK NUKE YOUR SESSION
 
Xeo
okay, the same happens for the Lounge
 
@Xeo Don't ask me to investigate - I'm not getting trapped in there as well.
 
Xeo
wtf Chat. wtf.
 
user3010322
You can't leave.
 
Xeo
:AKSGH :KH:KG:
okay, time for Meta
 
11:19 AM
31
A: Haskell reexport everything

Thomas M. DuBuissonThere is a simple solution, just export the module from the module: module Test ( module Test , module A ) where import Prelude() import A f x = x

lol this is a nice hack
@Xeo remember to link here
 
inb4 Xeo trapped in meta as well.
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus let's write Lounge<Chat>.
 
in Erlang this time? :P
 
user1804599
:3
 
BTW a guy from the JS room is working on a chat
and apparently he got it working and it's kinda functional
 
11:22 AM
@CatPlusPlus What server?
 
Xeo
Okay, I tried the same with the PHP room, and I'm not auto-joining back there
 
also BTW, as an idea
SE chat protocol is known
might well start with an alternative client
and move from that
 
It's not stable and they broke other clients on multiple occasions
Not worth the effort
 
so far JS's room bot is working well enough
and they maintain the protocol
and again, I suggested that as an intermediate measure
 
Xeo
11:24 AM
Okay, now I left all rooms, as a test (with the "all" button)
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Could be done.
 
user1804599
Then just swap the backend when it's done.
 
or allow having both SE and non-SE rooms
 
@Xeo OK, I just joined JS room and then left. No problem.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz I have nothing to do tonight anyway. ( Í¡° ͜ʖ Í¡°)
 
user3010322
11:26 AM
Aww, man.
 
user3010322
I need to update my entire API that returns pointers
 
@rightfold But then again Haskell.
 
user3010322
to use optional<T&> instead
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz TypeScript.
 
user1804599
I already wrote part of a client for Lounge<Chat> in TS once.
 
Xeo
11:27 AM
@MartinJames Force-leaving all rooms once seems to have fixed it for me as well.
 
user1804599
Not sure what happens when someone oneboxes something, though.
 
user1804599
I believe you get the HTML in that case, but not the original message, while I do want the original message.
 
well fuck.
leave that for later vOv
 
user1804599
Just checked. Well fuck you get HTML.
 
11:30 AM
@CatPlusPlus how come your finances are crappy if you're working full time now? o.O
 
I said Temporarily
 
so like for one month
also where's the fucking paycheck :<
I'm going to starve
 
Xeo
... do you guys have nothing saved up?
 
you have to have priorities
 
I have plenty of buffer, I just got closer to it than I'd like
 
11:32 AM
like, Wolfenstein just came out :D
 
I could live several months on that
 
you could like word
 
Shutup
But yeah I just didn't do enough hours at work
 
The curse of flexible hours
 
11:33 AM
did they cut your pay?
because that would suck
 
I get paid by hour
 
user1804599
Though I guess making formatting function id when using SE protocol and some Markdown function when using L<C> protocol.
 
Xeo
How does that get tracked anyways?
 
Toggl for some time now
 
Xeo
11:34 AM
I mean, do you just say 'working now, not working anymore'?
 
apparently
 
user1804599
We use Toggl at work.
 
omfg
Valderman has a new avatar
why
 
Xeo
Darjeeling :D
 
11:36 AM
A what who now
 
why would you assign a random eastern-style face to represent you on the internet
oh hi @Xeo
 
Because ANIME
 
Xeo
Girls & Panzer was funny
 
more like Manga
 
Yeah ANIME whatever
 
11:37 AM
@Xeo the title says it all (I saw it)
@CatPlusPlus he's the maintainer of the Haste Compiler
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I like him already!
 
well he's a cool guy
he responded very nicely to my emails
and he's doing an amazing job with Haste
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Why not!
 
Well how about that, it's 13:40 and I have 4:50h logged already
I'm still awake from sleeping through the entire day yesterday btw dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26824/ShareX/2014-05/…
 
I have done nothing today
well I helped my GF carry her sculpture from her uni
 
11:42 AM
Carry few more and you'll be qualified to work as a mule
I've deployed an internal tool today
 
sometimes I wish I did physical work
 
It's p rad
(I wrote it)
 
in what
żawa?
 
Python, like everything else here
Well, almost everything
 
I don't like mainstream languages like Tea, Constrictor and Coal.
 
11:44 AM
I've used Python before it was cool
 
btw
my colleague has a 1.8k page python book on his desk
makes you wonder
 
user1804599
I've used LiveScript before it will be cool.
 
I mean 1.8k
@rightfold While I like all those funny languages, I don't think that fragmentation is good
 
user1804599
LiveScript is not funny. It's almost as much of a clusterfuck as C++ is.
 
the more languages you spread people over, the worse support they all gonna get
 
user1804599
11:45 AM
Soon it will finally have binding access sections. :drool:
 
what, compiler-enforced access control?
 
mr5
Ahm, hello everyone! Quick question here:

Why brace-enclosed-initializer-list not working when default constructor is explicitly implemented?

//working
struct Box{ int t, r, b, l; } b = {0,0,0,0};
//not working
struct Box{ Box() : t(0), r(0), b(0), l(0) {} int t, r, b, l; } b = {0,0,0,0};
 
if all the people engineering Roy, LS, CS and whatnot started actively working at Haskell tooling and stuff, we'd have a godsend tech before end of the year
 
user1804599
@DeadMG no.
 
@BartekBanachewicz But they don't because fuck Haskell.
 
11:46 AM
@mr5 you copied the same thing twice. Remove =
 
user1804599
(.~ foo) is now a syntax error. Soon it will be equivalent to (it) -> it.~foo.
 
mr5
@BartekBanachewicz Editted.
 
@DeadMG you know sometimes I am glad you all of people are not a member of the Haskell community.
 
@rightfold Yes I don't like JavaScript either
 
We don't want give out a bad impression, after all.
 
user1804599
11:47 AM
@CatPlusPlus not that LiveScript :v
 
LiveScript exists because Haskell but because JS
 
@BartekBanachewicz I failed the "Are you sufficiently annoying" test for entry.
 
@DeadMG why, you'd pass with flying colors.
 
evidently not
 
user1804599
Colors don't fly.
 
Xeo
11:48 AM
@mr5 It's not an aggregate anymore.
So aggregate init doesn't apply
 
hm
I can't decide over two modules or explicit exports
two modules, one exported and one not, make it simpler to just put things in one or the other
 
mr5
@Xeo Hmm. What's the reasoning behind that? Link for the standards explanation?
 
user1804599
Two modules.
 
but I have dependencies going both directions
 
user1804599
Just have people import stuff.
 
user1804599
11:53 AM
If they don't like importing, have them use an editor that imports automatically.
 
as in, the common module defines classes, the framework(hidden) module instances them, and then the common module uses those instances
 
Ven
Talking about LiveScript ?
I can't lounge /o/
 
user1804599
No.
 
oh look it built
I guess?
they both include each other
 
user1804599
@Ven I would be surprised if Talking*. duh/ is not valid LiveScript code.
 
11:55 AM
and it just works.
 
Ven
@rightfold it's not :-)
@rightfold but I've done some art ! Wanna see it ?
I know you do.
 
uh or not
 
Ven
^^[]{}@@=>->|..=><[]>+~>%"#@".>>.&*$~_?\`°
 
module imports form a cycle:
        module `Glisha.Common' (src\Glisha\Common.hs)
       imports `Glisha.Framework' (src\Glisha\Framework.hs)
 which imports `Glisha.Common' (src\Glisha\Common.hs)
 
Ven
This is valid LS.
 
11:56 AM
fuck
 
user1804599
@Ven Nice.
 
I don't like "common" modules/files/namespaces.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Have a third module just for the classes?
 
@Jefffrey why?
@Xeo I wonder how would that be named
 
Xeo
11:57 AM
Glisha.Classes?
 
is it done widely?
 
Xeo
no clue
 
user1804599
> Function.prototype.toString is not generic
 
user1804599
(^^[]{}@@=>->|..=><[]>+~>%"#@".>>.&*$~_?\`°)
|> alert
 
Ven
"LiveScript is not funny. It's almost as much of a clusterfuck as C++ is." that's why it's fun.
 
11:58 AM
ugh
 
Ven
And LiveScript is a least 100000 times easier than C++ is :-)
 
@Ven sounds almost like people who call C "dangerous and they like it"
 
Ven
No; exactly the opposite. It's not dangerous.
 
Oh hey, another Perl dialect
Exactly what the world needed
 
Ven
@CatPlusPlus oh; no. Look at coco if you want something most perlish
 

« first day (1318 days earlier)      last day (3629 days later) »